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How can we learn to write such realistic characters as Carver's?

>> No.10643360
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>>10643351
>contempory

>> No.10643364

>>10643360
is there a problem, bucko?

>> No.10643371

>>10643364
ya, i spelled "contemporary" wrong, my bad

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>>10643360
>street-shitter

>> No.10643394

>>10643371
yeah, you wanted to jest, but you were the joke all along.

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>>10643394
as you say, your majesty

>> No.10643465

>>10643351
been meaning to read Carver for quite sometime.


what do you reccomend

>> No.10643486

>>10643465
Cathedral

>> No.10643565

>>10643351
hey, that's a todd hido photograph.

>> No.10643594

>>10643351
Live in it. Get a job. Get a real job, not on your daddy's money. Interact with people. Interact with recent veterans. Bathe in racial differences. Observe them, write them, but do not judge.
Be a janitor. Wipe some bars. Offer to wipe some bars for free. Learn what it is to write on your downtime. No procrastination, no waiting, because you gotta get up to wipe bars in the morning.
Be born working class. If you were not born working class, get your MFA faggot and move somewhere; somewhere you gotta wipe bars down to live. Fuck some barback, fuck some barmaid. Fuck some waitress, get her pregnant, ditch her, and learn to live with the shame of having fathered someone in a worse position than you.
Drink until you wanna die, and then maybe die.

Maybe then you can glimpse the reality of a Carver story, until then you're just pretending.

>> No.10643603

>>10643351
Write literal garbage then pay $$$ to Gordon Lish to make it good

>> No.10643609

>>10643603
i hate being dissapointed

>> No.10643661

>>10643565
Todd Kino amirite?

>> No.10643715

>>10643661
you're right

>> No.10643716

>>10643603
What an interesting story.

>> No.10643724

>>10643594
>Fuck some barback
Did you mean bareback?

>> No.10643754

>>10643716
It's exactly what Carver did...

>> No.10643769

>>10643754
I was refering to what actually happened, not to anons post. But to anons post too. Interesting stuff, its very ridiculous this "purism", read like 3 articles on the subject and people were outraged because of the editors work. So what? All art is like that, there are editors, curators, there are very, very specific cases where an artist has a hand on 100% of the output. The contrary is the norm.