/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.10639374]

What does /lit/ think of 12 rules for life by Jordan Peterson?
Thinking about reading it but I thought I would get some opinions first

[Anonymous No.10639377]

>>10639374
kys

[Anonymous No.10639388]

[Anonymous No.10639389]

>>10639374
he is not a good writer and he has literally explained the rules on youtube so why buy it?

[Anonymous No.10639395]

>>10639374
>Its in 12 parts like Virgil’s “The Aeneid”
>Based Peterson

[Anonymous No.10639401]

>>10639395
>12
>literally picked randomly from 42 rules he shitposted one afternoon he was bored on quora

[Anonymous No.10639402]

>>10639389
A book would go into more depth than any YouTube video would imo. Thats why

[Anonymous No.10639404]

>>10639402
if he were a good writer, but he writes the same way he speaks, he just rambles around

[Anonymous No.10639425]

>>10639404
"Good" is matter of opinion is it not? I have enjoyed the lectures that I have watched of his, but (I assume) you don't.

[Anonymous No.10639439]

>>10639374
Self help snake oil for pseuds

[Anonymous No.10639446]

>>10639374

I'd say it's marginally better than Meditations as self-help simply because it's contemporary but it's just generic self-help in the end, so don't get it if, you know, you don't want to help yourself or think that self-help is bullshit (which I suppose is most of /lit/).

[Anonymous No.10639460]

>>10639446
lol what?

[Anonymous No.10639475]

>>10639374
A normie version of this

[Anonymous No.10639508]

Alain de Botton-tier as far as any rigour goues.

[Anonymous No.10639516]

>>10639460

>has never read "My diary desu" by Marcus Aurelius

[Anonymous No.10639522]

>>10639374
stop dadposting Julian

[Anonymous No.10639532]

>>10639508
jesus christ

[Anonymous No.10639539]

>>10639508
is this what happens when you language cant distinguish between ser and estar

[Anonymous No.10639544]

>>10639539
what

[Anonymous No.10640227]

>>10639539
lmao
soy boy o estoy boy hmmm

[Anonymous No.10640384]

Should i read this book if i watched a lot of his videos and am familar with a lot of his advice ? 20$ is a lot for a book

[Anonymous No.10640390]

>>10640384
start with the greeks

[Anonymous No.10640398]

>>10639402
But the ideas don't have any DEPTH. They are as simple as they sound. You really don't need to waste money on the book.

[Anonymous No.10640407]

>>10639374
It's really no different from How to Win Friends and Influence People or any of those American-style self help books. Just with a dash of his childish "order good, chaos bad" thing on top.

[Anonymous No.10640959]

>>10639374
I think it's fascinating how he managed to stretch his 15min of fame.
His ideas seem uninteresting tho.

[Anonymous No.10640980]

>>10639374
Watch his lectures first. If you like his ideas then buy the book. I bought it, haven't read it yet -- but I'm fairly confident I'll like it.

[Anonymous No.10640993]

>>10640959
There's just a total lack of a positive male role model that isn't in sports within western culture imo. He filled a void and he knows what he's takling about.

[Anonymous No.10641802]

>>10639388
>hahahaha praise kek ironically bro lmao shadilay x-DddDddDdddDDDdDdDDddDDDDd
oh lord, the reddit stench
the last commentary is pretty true though. peterson just reiterates insights we already know, or no-brainers easily derived from those we already know which could be mistaken for the previous ones

[Anonymous No.10641939]

Why do peterson fags always muddle up this board? The current generation of men in their 20s are a pathetic bunch. We need to legislate mandatory draft to whip these pussies into men.

[Anonymous No.10642764]

What did distinguished philosopher and clinical psychologist Jordan B Peterson mean by this?

[Anonymous No.10642773]

>>10639544
Portuguese has two (technically three but the third doesn't really count) verbs that 'to be' translates to:
Ser, which means to be in the permanent sense, and estar, which means to be in the temporary sense.
The third is 'haver', which literally means 'to exist' or 'to have' depending on context.

[Anonymous No.10642784]

Peterson is as middle-brow as it gets. Don't waste your money

[Anonymous No.10642793]

>>10639389
long-form gets more at the character of the author or the "mode of being"

read hesse' steppenwolf for a better description of this

[Anonymous No.10642824]

>>10642784
What if im middle brow too?

[Anonymous No.10642827]

stop posting this shit every fucking day you utter normie retards

[Anonymous No.10642831]

>>10642824
Contemplate the fact that you're going to die one day, maybe sooner than you think, and try to explain to yourself why a middle-brow existence could ever be worth it

[Anonymous No.10642840]

>>10642831
My existence aint middle brow, but what i might need at this exact point in my life is some middle brow advice, and that would give leverage for better things. You might be tempted to feed a starving man a full BBQ, but what is better for him right now is light soup and lots of water.

[Anonymous No.10642848]

[Anonymous No.10642853]

>>10641802
UPDOOT FELLOW REDDITOR

[Anonymous No.10642855]

>>10640227
actually kek'd at this

[Anonymous No.10642889]

just skip past your edgy teen phase already and become a communist like the rest of us

[Anonymous No.10643073]

>>10642889
the only communists where i live are 60 year old senile men, it's not really a good look

[Anonymous No.10643796]

>>10639401
he was in the middle of writing it before the whole thing at the university happened

[Anonymous No.10643808]

>>10642889
humorous

[Anonymous No.10643819]

>>10642889
The only communists in my country are edgy teens.

[Anonymous No.10643828]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgOg0c_ql8g

>I can't do it

What did he mean by this?

[Anonymous No.10644379]

>>10642889
No

[Anonymous No.10644391]

>>10642773
I guess that's why there were so many portuguese philosophers.

[Anonymous No.10644394]

>>10643828

Who's that beautiful female (male)?

[Anonymous No.10644395]

>>10639374

He's a meme. Don't waste your time with him.

[Anonymous No.10644426]

>>10643828
>stands up to ask question
>reads a multiple page speech
That was painful to listen to

[Anonymous No.10644641]

>>10644395
Looks like a postmodernist Marxist (not a Jew though; I'm not antisemitic) got triggered! Free speech too much for you bucko?

[Anonymous No.10644645]

>>10639374
Are you an introvert or an extrovert xddddd?

[Anonymous No.10644648]

>>10644641
*postmodern neo-marxist
Please use my correct self designation and thank you.

[Anonymous No.10644652]

>>10642764
I think I'd like to be transformed into a lobster. Lobsters are fertile until they die, and can live to be over one-hundred. Also, I've always loved the water.

[Anonymous No.10644676]

>>10639395
>The 12 rules is also the mean age of his fans
>Based Peterson

[Anonymous No.10644686]

>>10641939
>We need to legislate mandatory draft to whip these pussies into men.
So you want them to start with the Greeks? If only public schools were capable of educating people, well, it's nice to dream sometimes.

[Anonymous No.10645988]

>>10644652
I’m glad you actually though about your choice. Most people pick a dog.

[Anonymous No.10646007]

>>10644652
>>10645988
isn't that literally this film?

[Anonymous No.10646020]

>>10646007
Yes, they are lampooning the fucking film with near-verbatim quotes, thanks for getting the reference.

[Anonymous No.10646029]

>>10646020
haven't seen it, it's still good to be right

[Anonymous No.10646033]

>>10646029
It's an ok film.

[Anonymous No.10646064]

>>10640384
I can guarantee you that there is nothing in this book you haven't heard him speak about. Same with everything else he sells, the self authoring form is literally just setting goals and making plans for your life and there's plenty of personality tests out there.

[Anonymous No.10646087]

>>10639374
Life- and world-changing prose mixed with philosophical psychology.

[Anonymous No.10646099]

>>10641802

>reddit stench

That's /pol/ my man. That's /pol/ right there.

[Anonymous No.10646142]

>>10642848
>philosopher
end my

[Anonymous No.10646188]

This changed my life

[Anonymous No.10646210]

>>10646188
kek'd

[Anonymous No.10646213]

>>10646188
Sounds like a scenario you would find in a fascist society. Neato

[Anonymous No.10646234]

>>10646188
>Daughter gets harassed in front of you
>l-let's just walk away
What a cuck lmao

[Anonymous No.10646239]

>>10639475
which is a normie version of Jung
Jung is normie version of Bardon
Bardon is a normie version of obscure manuscripts from the Gnostic revival

[Anonymous No.10646252]

>>10646234
I think he recognizes in our society you would be criminalized, a better society would let you kick the kids ass.

[Anonymous No.10646254]

>>10646239
Gnostic revival?

[Anonymous No.10646260]

>>10646239
bardon is just a meaningless german with above average german autism though

[Anonymous No.10646261]

>>10646252
Why not just tell the kid to stop trampling on her hands?

[Anonymous No.10646520]

>>10646261
the kid was a chad, he wouldn't stop

[Anonymous No.10646899]

THE THING THAT IVE LEARNED FROM JUNG

[Anonymous No.10646955]

>>10646188
Hahah

he is so beta he feels threatened by toddlers. He is the kind of guy who plays competitively against children

[Anonymous No.10646993]

i bought a copy for my mom's birthday to try to introduce her to some alternative ideas (she's <100 IQ and naive and bipolar and lives in a hivemindish setting). We also live in Toronto so I want to expose her to that "Peterson" she's heard about.

I read the first 15-20 pages and so far it is pop psych to the core. Pretty disappointed so far. I figured Peterson would want himself taken seriously as a thinker but no, instead this is pure appeal to the masses type stuff.

[Anonymous No.10647093]

>>10646993
Well what do you expect, he has never been a serious thinker.

Most of his knowledge of philosophy is second hand stuff, and he has barely any understanding of postmodernism and the frankfurt school.

I mean most people here don't. I always find it laughable when people start saying that Adorno planned the destruction of the patriarchy and the west when he was both a defender of traditional family and of the western cannon.

In fact Adorno's criticism of jazz wasn't that far off of a modern conservative criticism of hip hop. That is: an expression of commodification of art that shows the corrosive effect on our morals by the entertainment industry huge economic power.

[Anonymous No.10647098]

[Anonymous No.10647293]

>>10646239
Is Bardon worth a read?

[Anonymous No.10647362]

>>10646188
This is just a simple, 'No, we don't do that.' You don't even have to raise your voice. And I know because my sister has free-range kids.
All men should learn to train a dog before becoming a father. If you can't properly raise a dog you certainly cannot raise a child.
https://youtu.be/alo0iAbV2TA
Just think how many kids miss out on leadership like this. They'd be better off as dogs.

[Anonymous No.10647541]

>>10646261
>locked eyes with him as he proceeded to stomp on his kid's hands
That kid didn't give a fuck. That's the point.

[Anonymous No.10647701]

>>10647541
It's two years old. It's just trying things out, people are curious about what will happen. And it may have been the passive 'Are you really going to do that?' look on Peterson's face that made the kid go ahead with it.
Maybe free-range parents, but at two years it's pretty unlikely that the kid would overstep any real authority.
The right thing to do was to just joke with the kid, 'I know what you're thinking'. Prevention and guiding what you want is the key, not games or punishment. That shit fucks with their minds.
Authority is mostly how you carry yourself, and you hardly ever have to discipline kids if you really know how to carry yourself and have a sharp eye.
There's no demon in that kid, and Peterson's over-reaction shows that he doesn't know what he's talking about. He has a temper of someone who has been hurt and has never dealt with that.

[Anonymous No.10647704]

Is Peterson officially a /lit/ meme now?

[Anonymous No.10647720]

>>10646239
Speaking of Jung, I'm kinda lost in trying to read Man and his Symbols. Am I just a brainlet or is there something that I should read before that? Sometimes chapters go into long tangents about symbolism and I have trouble trying to piece together the reasoning behind their interpretations.

[Anonymous No.10647738]

>>10639388

But fusion772 is absolutely right.

[Anonymous No.10647831]

>>10647701
>he's just trying things out
No, he's stomping on a kid's hands either for entertainment or out of spite of the other kid. While the kid might not understand that he's being a dick, he is still, in fact, being a dick.
>at two years it's pretty unlikely that the kid would overstep any real authority.
Two year olds do this all the time. This is the prime age for a child to become defiant. The phrase "Terrible Twos" didn't stem from toddlers respecting authority.

>the right thing to do was to joke with the kid
It's better to be direct. That said, simply telling him to stop might not have been enough. Removing his daughter(and thus, his target) from the situation was not a bad option. If that kid's parents were there, they could have stepped in.

>Authority is mostly how you carry yourself
>you hardly ever have to discipline kids [...] have a sharp eye
That's nonsense. Small children regularly test the boundaries of how they can act before their parents snap on them. Authority is not derived from an attitude, it is derived from policy that is enforced on a person or people. No child is going to respect you as an authority figure because of how you carry yourself and glare when the kid does something stupid. You have to enforce boundaries that establish what behaviors will and will not be accepted, and make sure that the kid stays within those boundaries. If he does not, then you exercise disciplinary measures. In terms of dealing with other people's children, your options are more limited here.

[Anonymous No.10648026]

>>10639374

I'm about halfway through the book and I'm enjoying it. Peterson knows that his message is popular among young men, and this does feel like a self-help book for that group. I basically fit right into his target audience. Having this book tell me to basically man the fuck up is just what I needed to hear. There's useful stuff in this book, and there's some pop psych. The pop psych and philosophy are just giving me ideas for books to read that have real insight into those topics.

Most self-help books are vapid rambling for soccer moms or sub-3.0 GPA business students. The rules he uses may have been random answers on quora, but it at least feels like there was thought put into the explanations.

tl;dr - if you need a book to tell you to man the fuck up, read it. if you're looking for something profound, don't read it. If you like his videos you've probably seen most of the messages, but you'll probably like the book anyway.

[Anonymous No.10648054]

>>10647720
That's as entry tier Jung as it gets sans Memories Dreams and Reflections.

[Anonymous No.10648194]

I read the whole thing. Good advice, bad book. I don't understand why Peterson didn't just leave the storytelling and allegories in Maps of Meaning.

If the guy could just distill his advice down to just the actual advice, he could write a good book. The first 2 and last 2 pages of each chapter tend to be the only ones worth reading.

[Anonymous No.10648234]

>>10647738
He is literally just regurgitating what Peterson says, that's what makes it so cringey

[Anonymous No.10648241]

>>10647098
This meme really misses the mark though. Most people aren't RELATING to JBP, they're looking up to him, as a father figure or hero or whatever.

[Anonymous No.10648247]

>>10647738
There is no contradiction between stating there are no objective moral truths, and advocating a specific moral position.

[Anonymous No.10648257]

>>10648241
the media unintentionally makes some great memes about him

[Anonymous No.10648996]

Should I bother with the foreward in this book?

[Anonymous No.10649331]

He simply doesn't practice what he preaches.
By his own standards he is weak.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/kLQ0XFkc3zGy/

[Anonymous No.10649439]

>>10639446
bait

[Anonymous No.10649452]

>>10646188
There's nothing just or virtuous about letting your daughter get trampled by another kid and not involving yourself. I would perhaps be a bit more sympathetic to this argument if it was my son but even then it's not right. It seems to me that Peterson only thinks that there's one solution to this (which he sarcastically presented) when in fact there are plenty of ways to deal with a situation like this.

[Anonymous No.10649478]

Pretty great.

[Anonymous No.10649484]

>>10649452
This might be the first /lit/ meme in a while...

[Anonymous No.10649507]

>>10647362
>my sister has free-range kids

I'm so sorry anon.

[Anonymous No.10649828]

>>10639425
>Good is a matter of opinion
The absolute travesty of /lit/.

[Anonymous No.10650210]

>>10642764
>ha ha
I just spat my tea all over my bed. I'm not even laughing in a derisive sense, it's just really cute and silly. God damn it why did he put that in there I'm cracking up

[Anonymous No.10651407]

>>10642764
HE

[Anonymous No.10651467]

>>10648247
sure, the big problem is lefties say their morals are scientific and objective

[Anonymous No.10651536]

>>10642889
but communism was my edgy teen phase.

[Anonymous No.10651549]

>>10646099
/pol/ thinks he's a jew; you have reddit spacing.

[Anonymous No.10651557]

>>10646188
He seems to not understand the kid was fucking more with his daughter than him. It's like Elliot had kids.

[Anonymous No.10651580]

>>10647093
>I mean most people here don't. I always find it laughable when people start saying that Adorno planned the destruction of the patriarchy and the west when he was both a defender of traditional family and of the western cannon.
Literally never seen this claim here. Adorno threads are normally, he's right about most things, apart from jazz. Even then, most people who know about his criticism of jazz point out he wasn't against what has survived as "jazz" but against popular trends which would now be classed as "western swing". Adorno didn't know that dancing licenses would kill off western swing and other popular jazz forms, but his criticism of it didn't have the benefit of hindsight.

Peterson's understanding of things like postmodernism or the Frankfurt School aren't even enough to really call it an "understanding". It's more like a malapropism. He might as well be saying "scholasticism" and "Salerno medical school".

[Anonymous No.10651591]

>Ironically, Peterson’s critique of postmodernism is itself very postmodern. His description of postmodernism as a new form of “dialectical materialism” that exercises totalitarian thought control not only echoes Cold War polemics against Marxism but also certain tendencies within French postmodernism. These accounts, such as Lyotard’s, accuse the Enlightenment, Hegelian dialectics, and Marx of constructing “metanarratives” on top of an irreducibly complex reality. Peterson shares the French post-structuralists’ fear that reason lends itself to a logic of domination. Indeed, Peterson recapitulates Heidegger’s own influential rejection of the “Cartesian Self” as the launch of a new stage of civilizational nihilism.

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2018/02/jordan-peterson-enlightenment-nietzsche-alt-right

D E A T H B L O W

[Anonymous No.10651598]

>>10639374
Rules for Life? Bitch, I already have School of Life.

[Anonymous No.10651607]

>>10651598
>he can only afford to buy a sweater to prove he's a philosopher
>he can't buy a rug to prove he's a philosopher
I can feel your bald patch through the intertubes.

[Anonymous No.10651628]

>>10651591
>>Ironically, Peterson’s critique of postmodernism is itself very postmodern. His description of postmodernism as a new form of “dialectical materialism” that exercises totalitarian thought control not only echoes Cold War polemics against Marxism but also certain tendencies within French postmodernism. These accounts, such as Lyotard’s, accuse the Enlightenment, Hegelian dialectics, and Marx of constructing “metanarratives” on top of an irreducibly complex reality. Peterson shares the French post-structuralists’ fear that reason lends itself to a logic of domination. Indeed, Peterson recapitulates Heidegger’s own influential rejection of the “Cartesian Self” as the launch of a new stage of civilizational nihilism.
god wtf is he even trying to say

[Anonymous No.10651646]

>>10639508
>Being is what each of us experiences ... it includes emotions, drives, dreams and revelations.

Has this guy even read Heidegger?

[Anonymous No.10651655]

>>10649452
holy fuck why is this image so funny i cant stop laughing

[Anonymous No.10651668]

>>10651628
>god wtf is he even trying to say
He saying Peterson is a postmodernist. And a francaboo one at that.

[Anonymous No.10651684]

>>10651628
>His description of postmodernism as a new form of “dialectical materialism
Does he actually say this? How does an ideological system describing implicit powerstructures rely on a materialist dialectic based on modes of production? Poor Marx getting posthumously shit on again

[Anonymous No.10651712]

>>10651628
>These accounts, such as Lyotard’s, accuse the Enlightenment, Hegelian dialectics, and Marx of constructing “metanarratives” on top of an irreducibly complex reality. Peterson shares the French post-structuralists’ fear that reason lends itself to a logic of domination.
This is such a shitty attempt... implying that intersectionality isn't an offspring of multiplicities in society and neo-marxist critique of orthodox marxism is in any way like a conservative meme individualist critiquing the entire idea of collective superstructure/hegemony or atleast the idea of them being inherently negative and worth critique or deconstruction

[Anonymous No.10652092]

>>10639374
There's not that much practicality apart from being more organized and focusing on ur goals, which eventually are thoughts that fade out as soon as the new star wars movie arrives and the mass goes back to living in their lazy unfulfilling ways :L

[Anonymous No.10652237]

>>10642764
That's fucking adorable.

[Anonymous No.10652246]

>>10646099
It's missing the empty machismo of /pol/

[Anonymous No.10652258]

>>10642764
> he actually says "ha ha" irl

kek

[Anonymous No.10652270]

>>10642764
Dad jokes are the last remaining form of authentic humor, to be honest.

[Anonymous No.10652373]

>>10646993
>I figured Peterson would want himself taken seriously as a thinker
He's literally just some psychologist professor that got popular among youth and because of his politics. This guy really brings out the pseud toddler in /lit/, it's something.

[Anonymous No.10653519]

>>10639374
It’s ok. Not bad, not amazing, not mediocre either... Really, it’s ok.

[Anonymous No.10653737]

>>10651712
>This is such a shitty attempt... implying that intersectionality isn't an offspring of multiplicities in society and neo-marxist critique of orthodox marxism is in any way like a conservative meme individualist critiquing the entire idea of collective superstructure/hegemony or atleast the idea of them being inherently negative and worth critique or deconstruction
wat

[Anonymous No.10653767]

>>10642764
Based internet dad.

[Anonymous No.10653778]

>>10639374
You know, I first saw him when he was arguing with those dumbass SJWs on campus and I thought he was pretty cool. Then I forgot about him.

Fast forward to now, I see him all over 4chan with memes of him crying etc and figure mainstream fame got to him, which would have been pathetic AND that he probably only appeals to 18 year olds.

I watch the channel 4 interview, dude makes total sense, wrecks it.

Watch joe rogan podcast, he wrecks it, explains his views in a deeply relatable way, supports james damoore, who's stances i completely agree with. joe also approves.

call me a new fan. I will probably buy his book.

[Anonymous No.10653789]

>>10652373
he probably has to dumb it down for the masses of young men that don't usually read books. The guy is clearly very intelligent.

[Anonymous No.10653798]

>>10646993
he probably has to dumb it down for the masses of young men that don't usually read books. The guy is clearly very intelligent.

[Anonymous No.10653804]

>>10653778
...

[Anonymous No.10653808]

>>10653804

[Anonymous No.10653824]

>>10639374

three parties
>people who like JBP
>people who like the tast of JBPs cock and balls
>people who dislike JBP
>people who dislike JBP because of massive success

note one of these isnt real

[Anonymous No.10653830]

>>10653824
>note one of these isnt real

Just say "these are all real" instead of using a double negative you utter edgelord

[Anonymous No.10653840]

>>10648257
why does he continue to agree to these facetious photographs

[Anonymous No.10653848]

>>10653824
is it possible to like JBP while thinking hes a bit confused and probably insane?

[Anonymous No.10653853]

>>10653840
any attention is good attention or however the idiom goes

[Anonymous No.10653867]

>>10653830
>he can't read

[Anonymous No.10653980]

He seems very smart on some subjects but then on others it seems like he has his conclusions drawn out and tries to find different arguments to support it how ever disingenuous or poorly thought out(as long as they sound good and you can argue easily against laymen with them who know nothing about the subject)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iq7W9frEPLg

[Anonymous No.10654120]

What exactly are the 12 rules?

[Anonymous No.10654440]

>>10642889
stop posting here

[Anonymous No.10654469]

>>10654440
>>>/pol/

[Anonymous No.10654561]

>>10654469

[Anonymous No.10654596]

>>10639374

I don't.

[Anonymous No.10654692]

>>10642889

Anyone not already a communist should be considered an enemy against humanity and should be hanged. Anyone that spouts anti-communist propaganda (either American or Nazi) should be sent to a re-education camp.

I'm not being ironic. I legitimately hate capitalists and the cucks that support them despite being shit on.

[Anonymous No.10654697]

>>10654692
You tell em, comrade.
*starves*

[Anonymous No.10654712]

>>10654692
>"people who don't believe in my ideology are enemies of humanity"
>spews hateful garbage

Oy vey

[Anonymous No.10654727]

Love how the left wing of this board cherry picks things, puts them into a vacuum and them assassinates Peterson for it
I'm not really a fan of Peterson but he makes Zizek look like a fucking retard by comparison.

[Anonymous No.10654756]

>>10653830

[Anonymous No.10654762]

>>10654697

Le Stalin controls le weather in an area historically known for famine

>>10654712

Anyone that wants to keep all of humanity unequal is an enemy of it. If you truly believe people deserve to live in squalor whilst some fat moron shits on q golden toilet then you are an enemy. Or American. There really is no difference.

[Anonymous No.10654789]

>>10654762
fag

[Anonymous No.10654802]

>>10654789

Well said.

[Anonymous No.10654806]

>>10654762
>Le Stalin controls le weather in an area historically known for famine
>The biggest source of wheat in Eastern Europe just starves he dindu nuffin
How do you genuinely believe this bullshit?

[Anonymous No.10654808]

>>10642764
Pure reddit, my god

[Anonymous No.10654856]

If I wanted self-help lit I'd read the Greeks.

[Anonymous No.10654903]

>>10642764
CUTE

[Anonymous No.10654914]

>>10642764
fucking kek

i can just hear him say the 'ha ha' in that croaky frogvoice of him

[Anonymous No.10654925]

>>10639374
I probably won't read it but I don't see anything wrong with Peterson except for being a bit irritating, at least this means there will be less SJWs from now on.
I hope their replacement won't be equally annoying as they had been in the last decade or so

[Anonymous No.10654950]

>>10654925
I hope we get comfy 90s centrist liberalism back and have the edgelords on the political extremes focus on their punk and goth and metal LARPing again instead of meddling with important stuff.

[Anonymous No.10654967]

>>10654692
what you want is not communism, it's an idealist utopia
communism is a system that can't work, or maybe it could one day, but certainly not in 21st century

[Anonymous No.10654972]

>>10639374
I am a fan of Peterson but this book really is a holy rehash of his lectures. If you’ve seen ~10 of his videos you’ve encountered all the content he showcases here. From the Lobster memes to his hate of the Patriarchy, every meme is featured. It has some neat illustration in it tho.

[Anonymous No.10655073]

>>10654950
comfy centrist liberalism depended on american hegemony - moving from a situation which was uni-polar (empire) toward one which is multi-polar (regional powers) means that comfy middle ground positions are out.

as amount of regional powers increase the amount of political positions will multiply and cause the process of division to accelerate.

as the previously unified globe is split into parts it causes more borders and conflicting spheres of interest to arise which likewise escalates tension and prepares the way for further conflict

[Anonymous No.10655085]

>>10654925
SJW fearmonging is a spook, and you're a retard.

[Anonymous No.10655098]

>>10654950
>the edgelords on the political extremes focus on their punk and goth and metal LARPing again instead of meddling with important stuff.
dude that was just the excuse we gave for doing wonderful drugs and having sexyugly orgies with ice pops and fuzzy things. you missed out.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5jkOpsqxjc

[Anonymous No.10655102]

>>10654925
That what we though when Trump was elected President, but if anything they just got louder.

[Anonymous No.10655104]

>>10640993
I'm not too sure he is a positive male role model in a substantive sense, or at least he doesn't strike me as being as much or more of a positive role model than any other one in the past or even your dad.

[Anonymous No.10655113]

>>10655085
SJWs are just lower IQ students, and /pol/ with an even lower IQ confused it with a political movement.

hmmm...

[Anonymous No.10655162]

What I dislike the most about Peterson is that he is a boring defender of the convenient idea that if you are unhappy, it can only be your own fault.
Ten years ago, this man would have absolutely nothing to say on a macro level about the subprime crisis and the subsequent global recession that decreased the standard of living of most people in the West, and there is a big chance he will stop being relevant once the next global economic crisis will strike us, because while cleaning your room might have a positive effect on your psyche, it won't change the prices at the grocery store.

At least /pol/tards are conscious to a degree that things outside of their influence have a direct effect on their well-being. Blaming the shit coming to them on the figure of the Jew is very misguided IMO, but at least they have a drive to change things, and they support policies with a global effect like protectionism and restricting immigration. They are conscious that baby-boomers had an easier life than them, and that something went wrong along the way.
Peterson, on the other hand, promote Solzhenitsyn to ingrain the idea that striving to change society is bad. He uses Nietzsche to tell us that the death of God was bad and that we ought to come back to the good old days when people believed in Jesus, something which is ironically quite antithetical to Nietzsche.

He is only an out-of-touch boomer with an above-average vocabulary, and not much else. He has absolutely no idea of what it is like to grow up as a millennial in a dysfunctional economy, and never will.

[Anonymous No.10655199]

>>10654692
I had no idea why this board gets triggered by Peterson so much, then I read comments like this and realize it's full of commie retards

[Anonymous No.10655262]

>>10654692
>>10654762
>tfw robespierre will never come back to life and consign all commies to the guillotine for being "reactionary atheists" with his own titanic moral purity so they get a taste of their own medicine

[Anonymous No.10655317]

>>10655162
I shit on Peterson, though I feel cruel for doing it. But generally I find a lot of what he does perplexing and irritating, maybe moreso because he seemingly has the potential to be a public voice with dignity, instead of continually prostituting himself to the lowest bidder - Joe Rogan I can understand, because muh young men, but really, the fucking Rubin report? Stefan Molyneux? Sargon? and so on.

That aside, you're right to an extent but I think it's a bit of a misrepresentation of his views. A totality. I don't think Jordan Peterson is really doing anything wrong by focusing on personal responsibility, and I don't think he's doing it in a way that if you're unhappy it's just your own fault. I can sympathise with his perspective "we've been talking about rights for 50 years, let's talk about responsibility." I don't hold it against him, he's got a good perspective there. And I say that as someone who thinks we're still much too eager to blame individuals for their shit - you know, people casually have this resentment for someone being neurotic as if that's just a bad habit of theirs. I don't want to call free will in itself a delusion, because I simply can't know, but the mythos surrounding it that informs all our moral decisions, that we place all our faith in the idea of being accountable for our actions... I think it's deluded.

[Anonymous No.10655350]

>>10655317
There is literally nothing wrong with the Rubin Report, commie. As far as the others are concerned, he once responded to this exact criticism when being asked as to why he would even speak to molymeme that he "also talks to prostitutes and tax collectors". Also whats with this guilt by association bullshit you're trying to pull here? Even Noam Chomsky went on molymeme. What's wrong with taking a platform that's being handed to you for free? Should you decline just because there are anal people like yourself that take an issue with these platforms? Jesus Christ, the absolute state of the left.

[Anonymous No.10655366]

>>10655262
Give Robespierre the manifesto to read and he will make Stalin look like a social democrat

[Anonymous No.10655370]

>>10655162
The effects of the great recession are literally gone at this point. Grow a pair. Did the subprime mortgage crisis really "change the prices at the grocery store?". Did you have to ration food? Did you move into a hooverville? Come the fuck on.

[Anonymous No.10655402]

>>10655350
Rubin and Molyneux are a waste of time. Noam at least went on Stefan's thing to have an argument. Peterson and Molyneux just rambled on about muh myths and shit without ever having a proper confrontation when they obviously probably disagree about quite a lot (to be fair, I haven't seen the whole thing, just the vibe I got from seeing a bit of it over someone's shoulder... all smiles). The people watching Molyneux or Rubin are gonna be familiar with Mr. Peterson anyway, and his dialogues with the people themselves aren't interesting. At least old media shit like Channel 4 and Tucker Carlson actually does broach a new audience.

Anyway, I thought /pol/tards hated Jordan Peterson now for not being redpilled on the Jewish Question. You're in /lit/ now, you don't need to call everyone who disagrees with you a kike or a commie.

[Anonymous No.10655418]

>>10655402
Name literally one thing wrong with Dave Rubin without saying the words "sellout" or "patreon money" or "house".

[Anonymous No.10655421]

>>10655370
>The effects of the great recession are literally gone at this point
Oh did the national debt reduced back to pre 08 levels?

>Did you have to ration food? Did you move into a hooverville?
'It could be worse' is not an argument.

[Anonymous No.10655428]

>>10654762
>Le Stalin controls le weather in an area historically known for famine
>Implying that's the only historical example of commies fucking the economy up
*starves*

[Anonymous No.10655440]

>>10655421
>national debt
Fucking irrelevant. What's going to happen if the US can't pay it back? Are the banks going to sack the country? There is literally nothing wrong with spending money if you're the gov.

>'It could be worse' is not an argument.
Yes, it fucking is. Unless you're greek you don't get to pretend that the great recession ruined your life. Were you even an adult back in 2007? It was the greatest economic disaster since the great depression, but the impact it ultimately had on the west was minimal. Our current economy is doing better than it was doing BEFORE the recession.

[Anonymous No.10655448]

>>10655418
Admittedly, I know almost nothing about him. Just assumed he's one of these pseudo intellectual rhetoricians everyone loves.

[Anonymous No.10655475]

>>10655418
Back before his infamous conversion then he loved to call himself a leftist despite never ever espousing any leftist views or positions. No prizes for guessing who he supported in 2016. Either he is politically illiterate at best or extremely disingenuous at worst

[Anonymous No.10655523]

>>10655440
>What's going to happen if the US can't pay it back?
>I want the global superpower to lose all its credit rating on a whim
>Our current economy is doing better than it was doing BEFORE the recession.
>What is a bubble created by low interest rates?
Your ignorance in economics is not the point of what that anon. 08 did and is affecting people's lives

[Anonymous No.10655559]

>>10655475
>>10655448
>Back before his infamous conversion then he loved to call himself a leftist despite never ever espousing any leftist views or positions.
You realize that he used to be a TYT, right? He used to be a liberal.

>Admittedly, I know almost nothing about him. Just assumed he's one of these pseudo intellectual rhetoricians everyone loves.
Typical leftist arrogance. How can you know that he is full of shit if you don't know a damn thing about him? Jesus.

>No prizes for guessing who he supported in 2016. Either he is politically illiterate at best or extremely disingenuous at worst
You realize that people can change, right?. I used to be pretty damn left wing before the 2016 election, now I'm almost a reactionary. People can change. What makes you believe that Rubin is disingenuous and not simply someone who changed his opinion based on recent events as have so many others? Because you're a partisan hack, that's why.

>>10655523
How is the great recession affecting people today?

[Anonymous No.10655568]

I bought it yesterday because I have enjoyed Peterson's speeches for quite some time, but I have never donated any money to him. I figured that $20 would be suffice for two years of listening to him.

I have read the first two chapters so far, and my first impression is that this book is very underwhelming. His writing style is dry, lifeless, and it just rambles on. Like, I've encountered paragraphs where every sentence is the same length. I expected more than this because I know that Peterson is a pretty well read individual, and perhaps all of that reading would somehow make an impression on his writing style.

I was also outright disgusted by Peterson in two instances. In one part he uses an emoji (the :) face), and in another part he literally writes out "ha ha" after making a bad pun. I expected more professionalism from a PhD in psychology, even if this book is written for a general audience.

I'm going to finish the book, no worries, but I think I would have been better off just donating money directly to his paypal account than buying this.

[Anonymous No.10655582]

>>10655317
I must admit I'm not too familiar with his shtick, and I agree that a lot of people (including me) are too willing to blame others rather than themselves for their own failures and easily forego their part of responsibility. I agree that contemporary liberal morality and idpol is cancer. That doesn't mean we should content ourselves with the prospect of eating more vegetables and praying for Jesus as a way to achieve the best life possible.
Once the global economy will crash once again, Peterson will have nothing to offer but boring advice you can find in any other self-help book.
We live in an unique period in human history, and he offers no tools to analyze that. At least Nick Land believes that if you have to perish, it's because you don't fit his plan of brutal capitalist acceleration and haven't anything interesting to offer to Peter Thiel. He offers a terrible but realistic explanation for my misery.
Peterson does none of that. Maybe he could help me to get my shit together in order to have a cushy job and get enough money to take a loan for a brand new car, but he won't help me to make sense of what is going in this goddamn crazy world.

>>10655370
>dude there is absolutely nothing wrong with the economy, just pull up your bootstraps lmao
>what? people have more and more trouble paying their rents and automation is about to destroy 70% of jobs? whatever, everything is fine dude, just smoke that dank weed bro
See pic related.

[Anonymous No.10655602]

>>10643828
The moment he gets involved with the JQ, the media would never let that go until the day he dies.

[Anonymous No.10655622]

>>10646188
He lives in a country where if you question any stupid shit kids do then you are deemed a child predator. I can't blame him.

[Anonymous No.10655659]

>>10654950
Hopefully. Hearing Justin Trudeau use the word "peoplekind" slapped me all the way back to 2015.

[Anonymous No.10655660]

>>10655582
>>dude there is absolutely nothing wrong with the economy, just pull up your bootstraps lmao
I oppose neo-liberalism and the way things are run currently, but you need to pull yourself up by your bootstraps regardless. You have no other choice. Always, no matter what the surrounding parameters are, you have to play the cards that you've been dealt, and if you live in the west, those cards are not bad at all. Could the system be better? Yes, but that's no excuse to tear it down. Also the median rent is being inflated by luxury developments. Do you have any evidence that low income housing is also exploding in price? Not to mention, a rent hike is not nearly enough reason to bitch about how evil capitalism is.

>>what? people have more and more trouble paying their rents and automation is about to destroy 70% of jobs? whatever, everything is fine dude, just smoke that dank weed bro
Automation IS an issue, but the fact that hard times may be ahead is an even bigger reason to get your shit together. Speculate on crypto, buy property and become bourgeois while you still can.

>That doesn't mean we should content ourselves with the prospect of eating more vegetables and praying for Jesus as a way to achieve the best life possible.
That's not what Peterson is saying at all. Life is suffering, there is a high possibility that everything is about to go to shit and you need to be strong enough as an individual that you don't fall for left or right wing collectivism once something like another recession hits. If you are a heroic individual you have a chance to survive once everything falls apart and the more people have their shit together the less likely this collapse is going to become.

>but he won't help me to make sense of what is going in this goddamn crazy world.
Go read Maps of Meaning, because it sure did that for me.

[Anonymous No.10655664]

>>10655559
>You realize that people can change, right?
That was what I am trying to say, he never changed at all this whole time. He never held any leftist views or positions. Hell you are welcome to name some that he did held but later recanted.

>I used to be pretty damn left wing before the 2016 election
Oh sure, were you at least a social democrat?

>Because you're a partisan hack, that's why
Calm yourself white knight and stop red-baiting me.

[Anonymous No.10655689]

>>10655559
>How is the great recession affecting people today?
>doesn't understand basic shit like the ticking time bomb that is low interest rates
>is a reactionary
Can't even be surprised at this point of time

[Anonymous No.10655723]

>>10655664
>That was what I am trying to say, he never changed at all this whole time. He never held any leftist views or positions. Hell you are welcome to name some that he did held but later recanted.
If you look at his old interviews with Larry Elder or Milo back in 2015 you can clearly see that he is bewildered by plenty of their statements and he challenges them from a left-wing perspective. Talking to these people and honestly listening to conservative ideas made him change over the years. Also there is this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OObpagJ768
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzPjztXZLrU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8K4zhYrlgQ

You don't know jack shit about Rubin.

>Oh sure, were you at least a social democrat?
I used to be a fucking commie when I was 13 and bordering on democratic socialist when I was 19. I used to vote greens and pirate party back in 2013, for fucks sake.

>>10655689
>low interest rates caused the great recession
>not assholes selling homes to people who couldn't afford them
>not the rating agencies being corrupt
>not investors abusing credit default swaps and CDOs to artificially inflate their profits

[Anonymous No.10655747]

>>10655723
>If you look at his old interviews with Larry Elder or Milo back in 2015
So no examples of him recanting any positions and views at all? Great thanks for playing.

>demsoc voting for greens and pirate party
Wewwwwwwwwwwwwwww lads

[Anonymous No.10655748]

>>10639388
hats off to brother kekistani!

[Anonymous No.10655759]

>>10655723
No you idoit, I didn't say low interest rates caused the great recession. I am saying the low interest rates right now (that was created to save/recover us from the great recession) is a ticking time bomb. Learn to fucking read nigga

[Anonymous No.10655760]

>>10655747
I was an idiot as a teenager.

>So no examples of him recanting any positions and views at all?
Nigger, did you take a look at the videos?
Here are some more:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFqVNPwsLNo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiA0P9iELAA

[Anonymous No.10655763]

>>10655760
Shit, wrong Milo video: Here is the one from 2015. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FvADt-mJ_o

[Anonymous No.10655768]

>>10655759
But how are they a time bomb exactly?

[Anonymous No.10655782]

>>10655760
>>10655763
Still no left wing positions and views that he disavowed, but more videos of him interviewing right wingers. You either do not understand what I am asking for or you are being disingenuous.

Indeed the very first red flag I noticed about Rubin was him interviewing way more right wingers than left wingers in his youtube channel

[Anonymous No.10655787]

>>10655768
Is leading to runaway inflation

[Anonymous No.10655821]

>>10655660
I really don’t think you needed Peterson to come to a conclusion as basic and uncomplicated as that.

[Anonymous No.10655828]

>>10655787
How?

>>10655782
Because that's not his style. Rubin deliberately created his format for be softbally and non confrontational. He kept bringing on more and more right wingers, because he himself moved to the right, as a result of speaking to those rightwingers. How is that disingenuous?

[Anonymous No.10655834]

>>10655821
Frustrated people do however and listening to him cleared away plenty of my resentment an anger I had towards the world.

[Anonymous No.10655852]

>>10655660
>Could the system be better? Yes, but that's no excuse to tear it down.
You see, that's exactly what I dislike about you, Petersonfags.
During the French Revolution, you would have said that there is no excuse for cutting the head of the divine king and his noble friends, and that the population should just cut back on wine and go back to work. Yet, here we are, in a world where royalty has almost no influence on what is happening in the world, and where the "free market" is the main arbiter over what is going on in our lives, and Peterson would say that is a good thing and it should stay that way.
Once again, I respect Nick Land way more than Peterson, because he is against most Enlightenment values, and think the system should be teared down in his own way. He doesn't fall in-between two chairs in an awkward way.

>The median rent is being inflated by luxury developments.
Median != average, and when it comes to economic issues, comparing medians generally mitigates these issues.
In any case, I don't know how old are you, but most of my friends in their 20s have a really time to rent an apartment. You might say that anecdotal evidence isn't worth much, and you might be right, but there is definitely a trend emerging as we can witness everyday the posts of NEETs here complaining about having difficulties to move out of their parents' homes.

>Not to mention, a rent hike is not nearly enough reason to bitch about how evil capitalism is.
Maybe for you, who probably had a comfy middle-class life. That's not my case though.

>Automation IS an issue
It shouldn't be. Humans have been creating tools to ease their workload since the dawn of times. Why is it a problem now?

>Speculate on crypto
LMAO. I enjoy the pink wojaks on /biz/, but I rather not invest the $800 I still have on my bank account in some dying Ponzi scheme, my friend.

>Life is suffering, there is a high possibility that everything is about to go to shit and you need to be strong enough as an individual that you don't fall for left or right wing collectivism once something like another recession hits. If you are a heroic individual you have a chance to survive once everything falls apart and the more people have their shit together the less likely this collapse is going to become.
What if I want everything to collapse though? I have increasingly less to lose as days go by.

[Anonymous No.10655872]

>>10655852
shit, I meant
>most of my friends in their 20s have a really hard time when it comes to rent an apartment

[Anonymous No.10655900]

>>10655852
You think that crypto is a ponzi scheme. I don't have the read the rest of your post merely based on that.

>What if I want everything to collapse though? I have increasingly less to lose as days go by.
That's EXACTLY what Peterson is talking about, resentment against the world and the desire to let it all burn. That's unhelpful. You want the world to suffer because your life is shit? Really? Do you think it would improve your life? It wont. It will make everything worse. Shit, you're proving Peterson 100% right with that sort of sentiment.

>Maybe for you, who probably had a comfy middle-class life.
I have a somewhat comfy lower middle-class life. Even if my parents cut off my life support, I could still sustain my current lifestyle with my 12€ an hour student job. My parents used to be working class in the 1970s, my family is way way below the average income and on top of that really bad at managing money and yet I still manage.

Also the french revolution was a mistake and Robespierre was a monster.

[Anonymous No.10655902]

>>10655828
>How is that disingenuous?
Because he again never held any views or positions remotely leftist and is acting like the extras in the Republic instead of actually confronting his guests. He constantly uses the word 'Left' but the fact that even a huge fanboy like you can't name a single leftist view or position that he would later renounced is pretty telling.

His 'conversion' is extremely theatrical, reminded me of the Pied Piper actually. That video in PragerU of all places was icing on the cake.

[Anonymous No.10655910]

>>10655900
>You think that crypto is a ponzi scheme. I don't have the read the rest of your post merely based on that.

[Anonymous No.10655914]

>>10655902
>That video in PragerU of all places was icing on the cake.
Dave Rubins transformation mirrors my own as it does for millions of others. You're just a butthurt partisan moron. If you remove the lolbertarianism and only leave his social views Rubin is a classic 1980s liberal. He is a gay married jew for crying out loud.

[Anonymous No.10655916]

>>10655828
>How?
Bitch I don't have the time nor enegry to explain to a dumbass, let alone a reactionary one this process. Just learn to read.

[Anonymous No.10655936]

>>10655914
>my own as it does for millions of others.
>millions
Wew lad

>You're just a butthurt partisan moron.
The only one who is mad and throwing insults left and right is you senpai.

>classic 1980s liberal.
Which you have to be extremely political illiterate to even think that is remotely Left. Hell leftism is practically non-existent in the 80s

[Anonymous No.10655953]

>>10655910
>bubbles are a ponzi scheme
Do you want to know why you are poor? Because you don't understand economics. Also those bubbles are precisely why you SHOULD speculate on crypto. Do you not realize that you could have made hundreds of thousands from nothing if you had bought back in 2015? Do you even realize that this bubble has happened 4 times already? Once in 2011, once in 2013, once in 2014 and now in 2017/2018. If you had bought after each crash and sold during each hype you would have archived financial Independence by now. I didn't do it because I was a pussy and I hate myself every day because of that. But this wasn't the last bubble. There is more to come. Wait for the current bubble to crash down to 5k, then put every cent of disposable income into it. When the next bubble comes in 2 to 5 years it will pay off.

>>10655916
>dude just read a book lmao
And you people have the nerve to claim that /lit/ is a smart board. This place is worse than /pol/. Arguing with holohoax deniers is at least entertaining, but cunts like you just make me angry.

>>10655936
>Hell leftism is practically non-existent in the 80s
Are you fucking serious?

[Anonymous No.10655968]

>>10655953
>>10655910

[Anonymous No.10655971]

>>10655953
>Are you fucking serious?
>New Left on its death throes
>Trade unions getting fucked over
>Ronald motherfucking Reagan
>Democrats going le radical centrist

[Anonymous No.10655977]

>>10655953
>This place is worse than /pol/.
>gets so mad that no one want to spoonfeed him such simple things
Stay an idiot senpai and go back to /pol/

[Anonymous No.10655988]

>>10655971
So just because mainstream us politics is conservative and neo-liberal means people with left wings views don't exist?

>>10655977
>make a claim
>people ask you to elaborate
>resort to name calling instead
sasuga

[Anonymous No.10656006]

>>10655988
>neo-liberal means people with left wings views don't exist?
>being this autistic to take things so literally
Saying leftism is non-existent in the 80s doesn't mean leftists don't exist, but rather the Left was at its weakest to the point of irrelevance in the 80s.

[Anonymous No.10656019]

>>10656006
So how does that disprove that Rubin used to be leftwing back in the 80s or 90s?

[Anonymous No.10656022]

>>10639374
JP is a hack

[Anonymous No.10656029]

>>10655988
>he thinks the problem of low interest rate is a claim
>he demands everything to be elaborated down to its most basic theory so he can be spoonfed like a baby
Go read up on why the DOW dipped

[Anonymous No.10656037]

>>10656019
You moron, I meant that Rubin was not a leftist since '1980 liberals' were never leftists in the first place. Learn to read you idiot.

[Anonymous No.10656044]

>>10656029
You're pathetic. If you want me to listen to your arguments, present them to me.

>>10656037
So why was Rubin on TYT then?

[Anonymous No.10656068]

>>10655953
>He thinks he can make a living by buying a glorified stamp
>He has the courage to say "you don't understand economics"
I bet you're a libertarian.

[Anonymous No.10656086]

>>10656068
Not really. I hate paying taxes and I value personal liberty, but that's not enough to make me a lolbertarian or an ancap.

[Anonymous No.10656094]

>>10656068
>glorified stamp
If Bitcoin goes to 100k in 2020 I'm going to think about you when I buy my first condo.

[Anonymous No.10656096]

>>10656068
You don't, though. Posting a bubble chart to prove that that commodity is a ponzi scheme is absolutely hilarious.

[Anonymous No.10656101]

>>10656044
>So why was Rubin on TYT then?
>why are morons on other moronic shows?
If guilt by association is your remaining argument left then it is time to stop playing

[Anonymous No.10656110]

>>10656044
>If you want me to listen to your arguments
I don't need to. I already proven that anon's point that 08 is still affecting everyday life. You remaining an idiot is a failure I can live with.

[Anonymous No.10656111]

>>10656101
But TYT is left wing. Not socialist but liberal. You can't deny that. Rubin was one of them.

[Anonymous No.10656120]

>>10656110
All you're doing is cementing my belief that leftists are literal children who don't understand the world or human interaction.

[Anonymous No.10656150]

>>10656111
>You can't deny that.
I am not, but that doesn't make Rubin magically leftist. He can even wear a T-shirt with the hammer and sickle and he still won't be one unless he espouses a left wing view or positions

>>10656120
That is rich considering you have spent this thread throwing insults around and showing your failure to read other people's posts

[Anonymous No.10656158]

>>10656150
You realize that you can be leftwing without being some sort of commie or socialist, right? You're so far gone that you consider people left of center not to be left wing.

[Anonymous No.10656177]

>>10656158
And you realize hanging out with leftists doesn't magically make you left wing right?

>You're so far gone that
More meaningless projection

[Anonymous No.10656227]

>>10655953
>>10655968
>>10655900
>those bubbles are precisely why you SHOULD speculate on crypto
>dude you should totally buy a technologically outdated crypto during its blow-off phase and hodl lmao
>we are going to the moon bro
Also
>implying I have any money to invest whatsoever

>You want the world to suffer because your life is shit? Really?
Which world? The comfy middle-class Western world and the global ruling-class? Yes, those people deserve to suffer, because they don't know what suffering is, and what doesn't kill you make you stronger :^)
The rest already does know what suffering is. Look at some random street view of Skid Row, L.A. on Google Maps, and come back and tell me those people live a comfy life because they are in the West. Stop believing everyone have a lavish lifestyle.

>Do you think it would improve your life?
Left-wing policies might improve my life, yes. If post-Keynesians take power, I don't think Jeff Bezos would suffer much by paying a bit more taxes. If we ever get a genuinely Marxist revolution one day (i.e. workers control the means of production, and the production of goods is solely based on their use-value), then I won't cry for him if he doesn't comply with the demands of the proles, he had a good life.
You are operating under the assumption that the organization we currently have is the best possible. I personally believe Congolese children don't necessarily have to work in diamond mines under the management of armed soldiers and could be going to school instead and make their countries a good place to live. That is the kind of shit that you and Peterson are defending, but unlike fascists or neo-reactionnaries, you don't have the bollocks to say that it should stay that way, because you want to maintain a humanist facade. Your only excuse is "life is suffering bro". You are, in short, cowards.

>my family is way way below the average income
Again, learn the difference between average and median.

[Anonymous No.10656234]

>>10653840
You have to play with memes about you to a certain extent.

[Anonymous No.10656257]

>>10656227
>he keeps thinking in half measures
>caring at all what happens to congolese children
the Left cannot function effectively if it does not want Blood and Fire, im sorry

[Anonymous No.10656259]

>>10656044
>So why was Rubin on TYT then?
because the american political vocabulary is, as almost every single thing you do, completely retarded
economic liberals aren't leftists. rubin is an economic liberal but he thought liberal=left because he's an american and a quite stupid one at that. why the young turks even took him in isthe real question, maybe at that time he wasn't firm in his libertarian bullshit, or they didn't talk to him about that stuff.

[Anonymous No.10656314]

>>10656257
You are right, I will keep your IP in a notebook in case Kim Jong-un awaken CyberStalin one day :^)

[Anonymous No.10656467]

>>10654692
Huh no wonder this board is so anti Peterson, bunch of commie pieces of shit

[Anonymous No.10656497]

>>10656467
You already complained about that dumb tankie 4 hours ago, stop bumping this shitty thread faggot.

[Anonymous No.10656552]

>>10656259
>they're not leftists because they tolerate the existence of private property
how do you commies not realize statements like this are as cringeworthy as when a lolbertarian tries to argue all forms of collectivism are inherently leftist

[Anonymous No.10656581]

>>10656552
>statements like this
except that's not the statement I made, it's a strawman you imagined
fuck off

[Anonymous No.10656597]

>>10656086
ok
>>10656096
Different poster, brainlet. And I'm an economic major. Keep buying glorified stamps, retard.

[Anonymous No.10656598]

>>10639374
I'm not sure why people are complaining about this book, to be honest. I couldn't stop turning the pages, because I'd ran out of toilet paper. Luckily the ink hasn't fully dried in Peterson's career as a writer, and this helped those little extra flecks of shit in my tight little noogie hole stick to the pages. It's also a great doorstop. I was trying to buy time the other night while my dealer was trying to break down the door. I didn't have to wedge it or anything, I simply left a page open, and he died of derivation.

[Anonymous No.10656599]

>>10656581
>he thought liberal=left because he's an american and a quite stupid one at that
literally "le bernie is center right in yurop"-tier argument m8

[Anonymous No.10656637]

>>10656599
no, it's a "words have meaning" argument, "classical liberals" aren't leftists
and bernie would be a socdem in europe

[Anonymous No.10656720]

>>10656637
Yeah, I too hate it when people pervert the meaning of words. Just another day I heard a person say Hitler was a demagogue, what a fucking idiot lmao

[Anonymous No.10656747]

>>10656720
lmao kek roflcopter good one bucko ha ha

[Anonymous No.10656757]

>>10656747
I accept your concession.

[Anonymous No.10656787]

>>10652258
Oh sweet baby jesus he said "ha ha"
He should've said "My diáphragma is contracting involuntarily with a regular pattern"
Then I would have taken him seriously

[Anonymous No.10656795]

>>10639388
thanks im off to kill myself now

[Anonymous No.10656800]

>>10656757
oh for fuck's sake, how can a guy who slavishly supports capitalism be on the fucking left, think for a second

[Anonymous No.10656974]

>>10654950
>i hope we get 90s centrist liberalism back
Lol

[Anonymous No.10656999]

>>10654950
>I hope we get comfy 90s centrist liberalism back
you can't get 90s liberalism without the 00s crash and the 10s AAARGHWTFWTFWTFFFF, not to mentiont he wars

[Anonymous No.10657088]

>>10654692
/lit/ really is full of underage redditors

[Anonymous No.10657328]

>>10655162
>Blaming the shit coming to them on the figure of the Jew is very misguided IMO...

t. Aaron Goldstein

[Anonymous No.10657701]

>>10655104
He appeals to people that had weak or nonexistent fathers.

Its the lack of suitable male role models combined with the fact that he put himself on the internet (where the basement dwellers are) that made him so popular

[Anonymous No.10657746]

>>10655104
I think you're wrong there. If nothing else, he's pretty stoic in most situations, and at least wraps himself in the air of having a spine. I don't think those are particularly irrelevant or even negative qualities in a "father figure".

Just as a little bit of a gay personal aside, I'm quite weak to "fatherly authority", if you will, and even though I don't connect with Peterson all that much, Dawkins and Hitchens (the dead one) very much had an effect like that on me back in the day of "New Atheism". It wasn't that I necessarily agreed with them on everything, they just displayed an unusual strength of character and (argumentative) persistence against all opposition. They were never (or rarely, in the case of Hitchens) overly emotional or, and this is probably the most impressive quality, likely to succumb to public shaming. Peterson is more of an emotional weirdo overall, but he, too, exemplifies this type of stoicism against shaming which I honestly do admire, even in people I otherwise don't respect.

[Anonymous No.10657904]

>>10655162
props for a great argument

[Anonymous No.10657955]

>>10655852
>What if I want everything to collapse though? I have increasingly less to lose as days go by.

Then you have no say in anything. Everything you say is null and should be ignored like the pest or the ramblings of a depressed teenager

[Anonymous No.10657990]

>>10656787
?? I found that line in the book funny because I could actually imagine him saying it from one of his many lectures, what are u on about?

[Anonymous No.10658011]

>>10654692
I swear this is a copypasta

[Anonymous No.10658035]

>>10657955
>not being an accelerationist

[Anonymous No.10658709]

>>10655162
That's a big strawman. Peterson is an ardent defender of personal responsibility, yep, but not once have I seen him deny the importance of things outside of your control to your life.

[Anonymous No.10658948]

>>10655559
>Typical leftist arrogance.
I'm not a leftie.

[Anonymous No.10659622]

>>10646099
/pol/ would use an account called Shlomo Shekelstein to shitpost and to call him a kike. They are really easy to spot.