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alt-libertarian thread Anonymous Sat Jan 27 01:30:33 2018 No.10594500 [DELETED]

any other good books for an alt-libertarian (libertarian with conservative cultural values)

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 01:33:23 2018 No.10594506 >>10594500 hoppe has his own book, Democracy, the god that failed, which is almost certainly better than the op book

Anonymous Sat Jan 27 01:35:22 2018 No.10594515

>>10594506
Am I wrong in thinking that Hoppe is the only interesting libertarian precisely because he's basically a fucking volkisch thinker?

From the blurbs and excerpts I've seen he seems to think that communities DO supersede economics, and can be grounded in an ethne or a religious creed or whatever, and beyond that everything is machtpolitik.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 01:36:40 2018 No.10594521 >>10594500 you are not a real libertarian if you are a helicopter memelord

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 01:38:31 2018 No.10594531 >>10594515 >volkisch >communities supersede economics >can be grounded in an ethnoreligious creed none of that is libertarian, he's a traditionalist, he doesn't give a shit about the free market

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 01:48:50 2018 No.10594572 Why do libertarians always become white nationalist crypto-fascists? It's like they only want limited government just so they can start their own little ones and put people in camps without opposition.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 01:50:03 2018 No.10594576 >>10594572 I've noticed that libertarians that get rich off crypto or having an actual business stay normal libertarians and the ones that stay poorfags turn into fascists

Anonymous Sat Jan 27 01:54:05 2018 No.10594586

>>10594500
that's not "alt-libertarian" that's simply conservative libertarian, nothing 'alternative' about it

>>10594521
this. literally idolizing an authoritarian regime that suppressed liberties to the extreme just because it had a market economy and killed communists. It's like when Marxists idolize Stalin.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 01:55:54 2018 No.10594590 >>10594586 >you're not a real libertarian if you dont support subhuman rights i believe in absolute freedom for european men

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 01:57:15 2018 No.10594593 >>10594590 no free market = no liberty larping like a czech farmer is not libertarianism

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 01:58:19 2018 No.10594598 >>10594593 i believe in a free market for people, not subhumans and animals. do you believe in a free market for dogs?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 01:59:28 2018 No.10594601 >>10594598 there are many, many non-europeans more valuable than you

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 02:25:42 2018 No.10594673 >>10594590 Yeah, you're not a libertarian if you don't support liberty. Who knew?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 02:25:46 2018 No.10594674 >>10594590 >>10594598 no one cares about what you believe in welcome to the real world kiddo

Anonymous Sat Jan 27 03:30:51 2018 No.10594838
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>>10594590
>>10594598
>"tfw I'm a völkisch authoritarian ethno-nationalist but I still want to delude myself and others into thinking that I am a libertarian who cares about liberty for all people"
>"Ahhh I know! I will simply declare my political opponents and all ethnic/racial/cultural/religious groups I don't like to be subhumans/animals. HAHA FUCKING GENIUS"
>"PREPARE FOR LE HELICOPTER RIDE YOU FUCKING SOYBOI COMMIE KEKS"

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 04:35:18 2018 No.10595023 >HAHA fucking soyboyleftists we're going to hang you from a fucking helicopter >WHAT!? YOU P-PUNCHED A NAZI? B-BUT MUH FREE SPEECH, MUH LEFTIST ARE THE REAL THUGS! Yeah get fucked. Nazi's are getting their heads smashed in m8.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 05:42:25 2018 No.10595207 >>10595023 >ugh nazis are so fucking violent >HANG AND SHOOT THE BOURGEOISIE AND KILL EVERYONE WHO SUPPORT THEM, LIBERALS GET THE BULLET TOO

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 05:44:27 2018 No.10595213 >>10595207 Who are you quoting?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 06:06:04 2018 No.10595234 >>10595213 most of the communists ive seen on the internet

Anonymous Sat Jan 27 06:15:00 2018 No.10595252

All this edgelord fighting aside I must recommend the vast material on mises.org or perhaps a local Mises institute if you're Swedish or Brazilian. Hoppe, Rothbard, Mises himself, and Bastiat are all very insightful. Tom Woods' writings on history may very well fit you I think too.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 06:17:00 2018 No.10595256 >>10595252 no yids

Anonymous Sat Jan 27 06:22:58 2018 No.10595269

Considering libertarianism was born in time when human rights were a distant dream and in the enviroment where they were born they ignored liberty of say niggers, I don't get why you can't be libertarian and for limiting of rights.

It's basically just a synonym for RIGHTS FOR WHITES ONLY.

Anonymous Sat Jan 27 08:11:18 2018 No.10595447

>>10594572

Honestly, most of the crypto-fascists who start off by saying "I was once a libertarian like you" were never libertarian to begin with. They just had neo-conservative sensibilities and then fell to stormfaggotry. The main premise of Libertarianism, or really any form of minarchism, is limited government. If you go from limited government to authoritarianism/totalitarianism, it means you're fucking retarded.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 08:14:00 2018 No.10595450 >>10594500 >capitalism >consevative culture values here is your problem

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 08:14:02 2018 No.10595451 >>10594590 congratulations, you're not a libertarian

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 08:22:53 2018 No.10595464 >>10594572 >>10594576 >>10595447 Because any libertarian with half a brain realizes that libertarianism is an entirely white phenomenon.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 08:27:12 2018 No.10595469 >>10594500 >Identity politics in 2018 Some people just aren't destined for learns

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 08:29:46 2018 No.10595475 >>10595469 >identity politics is le dumb, we should just behave like atomized individuals >what do you mean that gives an absurd advantage to people who refuse to play by that rule and instead act like a group with collective interests?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 08:30:28 2018 No.10595476 >>10595450 Least autistic post in this thread.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 08:35:16 2018 No.10595487 File: 36 KB, 1397x942, 1511652646016.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10594500

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 08:35:44 2018 No.10595488 >>10595487 Found the leftypol ITT

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 08:38:46 2018 No.10595499 >>10595488 Found the butthurt memester

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 08:41:18 2018 No.10595506 Jesus Christ I hate Americans

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 08:58:47 2018 No.10595537 File: 55 KB, 890x860, 1516958324314.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10595464 >brainlet who's never heard of Kemalism or the Partido Liberal

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 09:01:54 2018 No.10595548 >>10595475 >dumb stormnigger who thinks individualism = "atomized individuals" that can't form groups

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 09:05:51 2018 No.10595559 File: 11 KB, 390x205, podcast14.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >b-but a real libertarian state has never been tried before

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 09:06:43 2018 No.10595561 >>10595537 >hey dude these two exceptions totally disprove the fact that third worlders disproportionately vote for left wing politicians

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 09:07:45 2018 No.10595564 >>10595548 >yeah guys let's form a group but please DO NOT idenfity with it or advance any sort of cause related to the identity we have as members of that group. That's totally counterproductive

Anonymous Sat Jan 27 09:11:47 2018 No.10595573
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>>10595561
>"I don't know what the word disproportionately means"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_conservative_parties_by_country

>>10595564
>"I don't know the difference between collectivism and individualism."

Anonymous Sat Jan 27 09:15:28 2018 No.10595585

>>10595573
>the political of third worlders in third world countries is a relevant thing when talking about the effects of third worlders voting in first world countries
Anon, I'm sorry, but third worlers vote for left of center parties in first world countries. If you want the free market and whatever else, you can't have open borders because the people you're importing are going to vote against the free market you desire.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 09:16:37 2018 No.10595588 >>10595573 Also, did you pick the wrong image? I've no idea what that has to do with what I said.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 09:21:47 2018 No.10595606 >>10595234 They're right, you know

Anonymous Sat Jan 27 09:27:30 2018 No.10595619

>>10595585
>Stormnigger thinks I'm for open borders because I want liberal markets

I have no problem with net-neutral immigration. I do have a problem with brainlets like you who subvert the idea of liberty with collectivist identitarianism that's always poisoned with authoritarian stormfaggotry. Problems can be solved without resorting to a totalitarian state. Every single civilization that has concerned itself with ethnicity before ideology has always been shattered.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 09:34:35 2018 No.10595637 >>10595207 This should happen.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 09:41:39 2018 No.10595657 >>10595447 The transition happens because they initially see libertarianism as a tool to fight the "degenerate left." When they realize that isn't what actual libertarianism does, they swing hard into right authoritarianism.

Anonymous Sat Jan 27 09:47:56 2018 No.10595672

>>10595619
>Problems can be solved without resorting to a totalitarian state
Who said anything about a totalitarian state?
>Every single civilization that has concerned itself with ethnicity before ideology has always been shattered.
Yes, like america in the first half of the 20th century. Totally shattered

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 09:49:39 2018 No.10595677 >>10595637 Yeah, but who's going to do it? Commies are pasty white dudes who have never lifted anything heavier than a keyboard plus trannies, drug addicts, and assorted deviants. Are they supposed to scare anyone?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 09:49:42 2018 No.10595678 >>10594590 >i believe in absolute freedom for european men the only way for that to work would for there to be be a state to define who counts as sufficiently european to receive liberty

Anonymous Sat Jan 27 09:53:48 2018 No.10595687

>>10595657

Libertarianism isn't a "tool" to fight the degenerate left. Paramount to all libertarians is the need to enshrine inalienable rights and freedoms for the citizenry and prevent the rise of tyrannical power. Liberty and union, one and inseparable.

Anyone who's self identifies as a fascist and says that they were previously a libertarian, is a fucking moron and doesn't understand what libertarianism is.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 09:55:55 2018 No.10595695 >>10595677 >Commies are pasty white dudes who have never lifted anything heavier than a keyboard The same holds true for the alt-right crowd. They are equally cringey, immature, inexperienced, and just want to be part of a group for once.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 10:03:37 2018 No.10595720 Lmao @commies that think identity politics are going away anytime soon

Anonymous Sat Jan 27 10:03:53 2018 No.10595723

>>10595672
>Who said anything about a totalitarian state?

That's your end-goal. You'll never be able to achieve the grass roots movement to establish an ethnostate and deport millions of people based on their ethnicity, in the process infringing on their civil liberties. There's an excellent video series by a catholic reactionary youtuber that dissects the reason why the alt-right just doesn't have the possibility of reaching its goals.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqoxZL2U0PI&list=PLRbcQXWEJAJrVHweXrgGb5ifN93ftE5Jp

>Yes, like america in the first half of the 20th century. Totally shattered

Then you fail to understand the founding fathers vision of republicanism, hamiltons writings on civil liberties, or the 14th amendment. I'd expect someone on /lit/ to do a bit of reading on the subject before he talks out of his ass.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 10:04:57 2018 No.10595725 >>10595720 Commies and Nazis aren't far removed though. Both are leftist tripe, socialist garbage.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 10:05:30 2018 No.10595728 >>10595725 Take your horse shoe and shove it up your ass commie

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 10:06:51 2018 No.10595732 >>10595687 Did you even read my second sentence before replying to me?

Anonymous Sat Jan 27 10:08:17 2018 No.10595737

>>10595723
>That's your end-goal.
No?
>Then you fail to understand the founding fathers
You mean the guys whose first immigration policy was literally "only white dudes?
And even then, how is that relevant to the example I brought? Was america beofre the 60s focused on ethnicity as a main determinant of immigration? Yes. Was it devastated by that? Absolutely not. So what you said earlier is completely wrong.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 10:08:24 2018 No.10595739 >>10595725 >Nazis are left, I guess because they had Socialist in their title I wish Americans would learn history, but I've given up on that wish by now. Sent from the German Democratic Republic which is totally democratic guys

Anonymous Sat Jan 27 10:08:48 2018 No.10595743

>>10595728

fuck off nigger, I don't agree with horseshoe theory. I look at the economic principles that the nazis undertook and I see a top down command economy that combined a planned economy with no guarantees of private property. They were third positionists, which meant they combined reactionary social policy with leftist economic policy. They were leftists, you filthy fucking socialist.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 10:10:20 2018 No.10595748 >>10595739 see >>10595743 Read "Road to Serfdom" which perfectly illustrates why totalitarian regimes always employ socialist planned economies with rescission of freedom to fully actualize their goals.

Anonymous Sat Jan 27 10:10:25 2018 No.10595749

>>10595695
>The same holds true for the alt-right crowd
Not even remotely on the same level, unless you're mistaking the alt-right with based kekistanis or some shit like that.
Far right groups are always more focused on physical fitness. Also, it's quite telling that you left out the rest of the people I mentioned despite the fact that they constitute a significant percentage of far left groups.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 10:11:37 2018 No.10595754 >>10595743 >nazis undertook and I see a top down command economy that combined a planned economy with no guarantees of private property. No. Unless you're talking about wartime economy, then you're just dumb.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 10:11:51 2018 No.10595755 File: 126 KB, 720x960, 1516411731857.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10595749 >Far right groups are always more focused on physical fitness kek

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 10:13:05 2018 No.10595758 >>10595748 They were gearing for war.

Anonymous Sat Jan 27 10:13:36 2018 No.10595760

>>10595754

Hitler put the german economy in 125% debt to its GDP by 1939 and oversaw the production of consumer products by mediating it through the party, meaning people like thyssen and krupp had no control over their own companies. He controlled the means of production.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 10:14:44 2018 No.10595765 File: 57 KB, 403x448, 1516723281579.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10595758 >>10595754 a "wartime economy" somehow means that it can't be socialist or planned

Anonymous Sat Jan 27 10:15:02 2018 No.10595767

>>10595755
>omg fascists are dangerous people fixated on violence who go around beating people up
>actually they're just weak fat dudes
Amazing double-think. Dude, I've got a far right center not far from my house. They organize boxing lessons, hiking and plenty of shit like that. Last time I went parachuting, it was basically the same people you'd found at the triump of the will conference. Setting aside anecdotes, it's a repeatedly well established link that between right wing ideas and higher levels of physical fitness.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 10:16:06 2018 No.10595773 >>10595765 No, dummy, a wartime economy means it's inevitable going to be highly centralized/planned.

Anonymous Sat Jan 27 10:16:30 2018 No.10595776

>>10595760
He controller part not all.
>>10595765
Wartime means majority economy is producing for war and will be planned.

It's been ages since I read RTS but it's dishonest to critique Nazi Germany as 'socialist as in Communism socialism' (???) when they were preparing for war vs. not critiquing what Britain did AFTER the war for years....

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 10:17:53 2018 No.10595783 >>10595767 American far right groups are a bunch of 56%er weaklings. Some of the far right groups i've seen in europe were some tough looking dudes.

Anonymous Sat Jan 27 10:20:07 2018 No.10595792

>>10595773
>No, dummy, a wartime economy means it's inevitable going to be highly centralized/planned.\

>let's forget the fact that United States and all of the allied powers used bonds and contracts without infringing on the private ownership of companies and corporations. Let's also forget how the nazi party organized capital and labor together, which has always been the hallmark of socialist, totalitarian regimes.

Anonymous Sat Jan 27 10:21:31 2018 No.10595795
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>>10594500
>libertarian with conservative cultural values
"Conservative libertarians" are just engaging in attempting to naturalize their ideological presuppositions when there shouldn't even be a need to do that. At the bottom of things liberalism was based on quasi-egalitarian notions, market equilibration e.g. wages can only be exceptionally high because there must be some form of artificial barriers to entry, etc, etc. Janitors would train to become coders when the price signals direct them to, wages would always equilibrate in a real free market and no general failures, such as gluts, can emerge because factors are totally mobile and interchangeable and supply creates its own demand as long as there's not something "artificial" stoping it from happening. Once you introduce new categories, like race (le bell curve), into the analysis though all the nice pure economic concepts end up being completely irrelevant and perhaps falsified (even though they're formulated in an unfalsifiable manner). It always empirically becomes necessary to promote certain ideological notions to mitigate issues that shouldn't even arise on your own terms, nature never seems to work just like it should and the real problems have to be explained.

>>10595687
Negative freedom isn't in any sense necessarily contrary to "tyrannical power". You just need to rename slavery to life time protection contracts.

https://theavalogs.wordpress.com/2014/02/05/the-libertarian-case-for-slavery-by-j-philmore-pseodonym-by-david-ellerman/

Anonymous Sat Jan 27 10:24:54 2018 No.10595815

>>10595776
>He controller part not all.
He controlled part of it not all? That's your rebuttal?

The Nazis expanded the welfare state and government control over the economy. This is indisputable. Out of the bowels of Mussolini (who led the socialist part of Italy and was congratulated by Lenin) came Nazism to germany, where censorship, protectionism, strong regulations on the economy, free education, and free healthcare were mandated. Leftism always supports brutalist, top-down methods of policing the population. They might be slightly "right" of Stalinism in an economic sense, but they were still a socialist, leftist invention.

Anonymous Sat Jan 27 10:26:59 2018 No.10595824

>>10595795
>Negative freedom isn't in any sense necessarily contrary to "tyrannical power". You just need to rename slavery to life time protection contracts.

Negative liberty means the freedom from the interference of other people or governments. Slavery is an anathema of freedom. Is that too complicated for you to understand?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 10:30:35 2018 No.10595834 >>10594500 >foreward

Anonymous Sat Jan 27 10:33:59 2018 No.10595847

>>10595815
>Although the Nazi Party election programs supported nationalization of major industries, the Nazi government contradicted this program by including several actual policies of privatization in the 1930s.
>Between the fiscal years 1934/35 and 1937/38, privatization represented 1.4 percent of the German government's revenues.
>Among companies that were privatized, were the four major commercial banks in Germany that had all come under public ownership during the prior years; Commerz– und Privatbank, Deutsche Bank und Disconto-Gesellschaft, Golddiskontbank and Dresdner Bank
>A recurring question in the literature on Nazi economic policy is why the Nazis refrained from implementing a policy of wide-scale nationalization of private firms [Buchheim and Scherner (2005)]
>this question is interesting since the Nazis’ official economic program and their electoral manifestos regularly included this proposal.
>It is worth noting that by REJECTING large-scale nationalization the Nazi government joined the
mainstream in Western capitalist countries, which were, in the 1930s, more given to intervention through
regulation and fiscal policy.

Then during wartime it increased, but that's understandable. And during war economy it was complete. Much like in any state that declared war economy. You are wrong calling them out when the academic discussion in itself is going on about why did Nazis refrain from nationalizations.

But if you are doing this, you should also look at what Britain did AFTER the danger was over. Much more socialist.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 10:35:02 2018 No.10595853 >>10595824 This line of argumentation presupposes commies are people.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 10:37:54 2018 No.10595864 >>10595792 >Let's also forget how the nazi party organized capital and labor together, which has always been the hallmark of socialist, totalitarian regimes. love too organize labor by banning unions

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 10:38:14 2018 No.10595865 >>10595450 Thread should've ended here desu

Anonymous Sat Jan 27 10:40:09 2018 No.10595872

>>10595824
Negative liberty means the government can't do something to you. The conditions to actually exercise any right depends on conditions which aren't stipulated. The government can't stop you from saying something but you won't ever necessarily have a platform to speak.

You just assume debt peonage and lifetime servitude are not compadible with negative freedom because you live under a system which has forbiden it. If you introduce the right to alienate your entire power to labour to a corporation 90% of people would click next on the EULA without even reading the conditions they're agreeing to.

Anonymous Sat Jan 27 10:40:21 2018 No.10595873

>>10595795
>nature never seems to work just like it should and the real problems have to be explained.
it's because of the niggers and the kikes and the spics and the welfare queens and the white trash and the self-entitled millennials and the hippies and the...
or as they like to call them - rational actors

Anonymous Sat Jan 27 10:41:53 2018 No.10595879

>>10595847

>in October 1933, every farm up to 308 acres was declared a hereditary estate-it could not be sold, divided, mortgaged or foreclosed on for debt. With the death of its owner, it would pass to his nearest male relative, who in turn was obligated to provide an income and education for his relatives. The peasant farmer was called a bauer or peasant, an "honored title" that he forfeited if he broke the "peasant honor code"-that is, if he stopped farming.
>For its first year, the regime concentrated on a program of government grants of loan credit; stimulus bills for public works, such as road-building and forestation; and it "targeted tax cuts" to enterprises that increased capital expenditure and increased their number of employees. But from 1934 onward, the implementation of the Wehrwirtschaft, or war economy, became the model to which business and labor were subordinated and which was designed to function, not just in time of war, but in the period before war began.
>In 1936, Göring's Four Year Plan was inaugurated. This made Göring, who was almost as ignorant about economics as Hitler, Germany's economic dictator. In the drive for a total war economy, protectionism was decreed and autarchy the desire-the so-called "Battle of Production." Consumer imports were nearly eliminated, price and wage controls were enacted, and vast state projects were built to manufacture raw materials.
>Businessmen and entrepreneurs were smothered by red tape, were told by the state what they could produce and how much and at what price, burdened by taxation, and were forced to make "special contributions" to the party. Corporations below a capitalization of $40,000 were dissolved and the founding of any below a capitalization of $2,000,000 was forbidden, which wiped out a fifth of all German businesses.

>In February 1935 all employment came under the exclusive control of government employment offices which determined who would work where and for how much. And on June 22, 1938, the Office of the Four Year Plan instituted guaranteed employment by conscripting labor. Every German worker was assigned a position from which he could not be released by the employer, nor could he switch jobs, without permission of the government employment office. Worker absenteeism was met with fines or imprisonment-all in the name of job security. A popular Nazi slogan at the time was "the Common Interest before Self"!

Want me to go on?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 10:43:21 2018 No.10595883 >>10595879 please go on

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 10:44:22 2018 No.10595888 >>10595872 I'm saying that forced involuntary servitude is antithetical to the idea of negative liberty. The conditions you're laying out for slavery aren't compatible with modern-day definition.

Anonymous Sat Jan 27 10:47:09 2018 No.10595901

>>10595883

With pleasure.

>Social life too, was centralized by the Reich. Under the organization "Strength through Joy," the leisure time of the people was regimented. No organized social, sport or recreational groups-from chess and soccer clubs to bird-watching, to adult education, to the theatre, opera, and music concerts-were allowed to function without the oversight of the state. Besides the social costs of not trusting people to be able to look after themselves, there were the enormous costs of this vast bureaucracy that policed the private activities of the citizens.

>Local traditions were attacked and eliminated, private firearms were outlawed and confiscated, and the amalgamation of the various Christian churches and the elimination of Christian symbols from public places and schools was attempted. Education, too, came under central control under the Reich Minister of Education, which designed the curriculum, rewrote textbooks, and licensed teachers.

>The cartelization of industry-which began before the Nazi regime-was made compulsory, and the Ministry of Economics was empowered to form new compulsory cartels or to force firms to join existing ones. The maze of business and trade associations created to lobby the Weimar Republic for various considerations in the law were nationalized and made compulsory for all businesses.
>The Reich Economic Chamber was established on top of all these associations. It consisted of seven national economic groups, twenty-three economic chambers, seventy chambers of handicrafts, and one hundred chambers of industry and commerce. From these bureaucracies and the numerous offices and agencies of the Ministry of Economics and the Office of the Four Year Plan rained down a flood of decrees and laws, which in turn created for businesses the need on the one hand for lawyers and a legal department to understand these rules, and on the other, for a systematic regime of bribing officials.

Would you like more reasons why Nazism is Socialism?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 10:47:35 2018 No.10595902 >>10595888 >The conditions you're laying out for slavery aren't compatible with modern-day definition. neither is libertarianism and you're still jerking yourself raw over it

Anonymous Sat Jan 27 10:48:03 2018 No.10595903

>>10595879
So what you posted pertains to war economy even according to Mises
>In the drive for a total war economy
and has little do with nationalization of economy?

I mean you could be posting about post-WW2 Britain.
Why are you not posting about post-WW2 Britain?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 10:48:46 2018 No.10595905 >>10595902 And yet most libertarians aren't members of the libertarian party. The Libertarian party doesn't define what libertarianism is.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 10:49:06 2018 No.10595909 >>10595901 How is banning guns nationalization of economy about which I was postinag about I'm confused

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 10:50:32 2018 No.10595913 >>10595905 so what? my post still stands. >>10595909 he thinks socialism=1984. that's the brainpower you're dealing with here.

Anonymous Sat Jan 27 10:51:32 2018 No.10595915

>>10595749
>Also, it's quite telling that you left out the rest of the people I mentioned despite the fact that they constitute a significant percentage of far left groups.
I left them out because they aren't characteristic of the alt-right crowd. Reading comprehension?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 10:51:35 2018 No.10595916 >>10595903 It means that the policies of Wehrwirtschaft were undertaken long before any military excursion, and was used to completely centralize control of all economic functions. Do you disagree with any of the points made otherwise?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 10:52:58 2018 No.10595922 >>10595916 >Wehrwirtschaft were undertaken long before any military excursion Even the Mises article you quote says they were doing war economy..

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 10:53:37 2018 No.10595924 >>10595909 Total centralization, interference, and government oversight in controlling private functions.

Anonymous Sat Jan 27 10:54:01 2018 No.10595926

>>10594500
i live in a third world country where 3/4 of the population constantly vote for socialism,, you have no idea the impact it has on our society, some days half the country shuts down and nothing gets done because workers in the transport system are protesting, not only is everything always broken but breaking public property is a political act and you often see "protestors" with hammers breaking the fucking sidewalk.
People form hierarchies on top of hierarchies on top of hierarchies and the people on top are borderline gang members so those are the values everyone aspires to follow, college students dont want to be doctors, lawyers or engineers, they want to reach some position where they have enough power to never have to work, thats students not people who have been working for 30 years and are now too tired or looking for more status
There is so much corruption and so much theft at every level its amazing how this country is still standing, you are supposed and expected to steal if you have the chance

As such i cant help but look at libertarianism as the only possible solution, people just dont value themselves in socialism, only opportunity , if you cant use someone to get more value out of your life then that person doesnt matter

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 10:54:22 2018 No.10595930 >>10595924 That is authoritarian government, but how is banning guns nationalization of economy?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 10:54:42 2018 No.10595933 >>10595922 You're a brainlet if you think slapping the word "war economy" on something suddenly makes it not socialist.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 10:55:38 2018 No.10595939 Does someone have an amazon link or pdf?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 10:56:32 2018 No.10595942 >>10595930 The point was proving that Nazism was a leftist invention. "Nationalization" for the Nazis was protectionist socialism.

Anonymous Sat Jan 27 10:56:52 2018 No.10595944

>>10595933
How can't you distinct a socialist country and country gearing for war?
All war economy is somewhat planned, but not all planned economy is war economy.

Of course I admit that Nazi Germany was a socialist in their own way different from USSR. After all, democratic-socialist in Finland did fancy Nazi policies.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 11:00:40 2018 No.10595952 >>10595926 >if you cant use someone to get more value out of your life then that person doesnt matter this may be the first time I've seen someone argue for libertarianism as the ideology that cares more about people than their use value

Anonymous Sat Jan 27 11:01:46 2018 No.10595955

>>10595944
>How can't you distinct a socialist country and country gearing for war?

Distinct? Do you mean separate, or is english not your native tongue?

Nonetheless, it's still socialist. You can dance around the subject all you'd like, but the degree of planning undertaken by Hjalmar Schlacht under Hitler was completely centralized from the top down. It was a socialist economy run by the National Socialists. This isn't hard to understand. Are you in denial?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 11:02:46 2018 No.10595965 >>10595942 christ, you're dumb hitler took some socialist notions and used them to get the people on his side and when he got into power he ditched all of that your problem is that you're a libertarian dumbshit who thinks socialism=authoritarianism

Anonymous Sat Jan 27 11:06:19 2018 No.10595985

>>10595955
>was completely centralized from the top down
but the academic literature is literally baffled why Nazis didn't undertake nationalization of economy? How was it completely top-down controlled if they didn't practice hands free nationalization prior to economy for war in 33-36? I'd even argue they began to probably start for war in '33 anyways.

Yes, they did like same ideas as their opponents, but fundamentally differentiated between others. They literally opposed each other so hard there were right wing militias and communists duking it out each other in the street.

but why are you not talking about post-WW2 Britain?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 11:06:49 2018 No.10595987 to put it simply: socialism = workers' control over the means of production. did they have that in nazi germany? no.

Anonymous Sat Jan 27 11:07:59 2018 No.10595992

>>10595965
>hitler took some socialist notions and used them to get the people on his side and when he got into power he ditched all of that

That's the point - he didn't ditch it. He doubled down. He doubled down so hard that there was no feasible way he'd be able to pay off the debt he accrued before the war's beginning, without any way to squeeze out more money out of the german citizenry other than straight-out theft. Let me repeat: The centralization of the nazi-german economy and unlimited spending led to ruinous debt and belabored economy before the fucking war even began.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 11:10:19 2018 No.10596004 >>10595985 Then we agree that Communists and Nazis held most positions of economy reform in common, and only battled as competing ideologies.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 11:11:40 2018 No.10596013 >>10595987 Holy fuck you are retarded. The STATE seizes the means of production, which is what the Nazis did.

Anonymous Sat Jan 27 11:12:09 2018 No.10596015

>>10595992
Even the Mises article you quoted said it was war economy. Since you know to quote people by name from Nazi Germany Administration you obviously also know that they had the plan to 'win the war' as a means to 'pay the debts', the debt they collected the closer the war was 'calculated' in that megalomaniac sense.

>>10596004
>held most positions of economy reform in common.
I'm not competent enough in German Communist program to say this.

Anonymous Sat Jan 27 11:12:16 2018 No.10596017

>>10595952
if you dont see any value in yourself you wont see any value in anything or anyone, as i said students dont want to become doctors because people look up to doctors or because its a position of high status, let alone helping people.
Medicine students want to become doctors because doctors get to work whenever they want, get paid a lot and they dont stay unemployed for long, its all about getting as much money for doing as little work, over 30% of the population works in the public sector and even more would move there if they could and even with so many public employees nothing gets ever done
You would think at least the poor have it better right? well there are people living without gas, electricity or water and little access to food who voted them because they where promised help, when they won they started working on creating the infrastructure to provide gas to households where temperature gets below freezing levels at night, they spent a fortune and did nothing, people froze and starved to death, there are pictures showing all the abandoned materials that haven't been touched for years and the little work they got done got ruined so hard by sheer neglect it all has to be scrapped to start scratch, meanwhile students who supported them got free phones and low rent accommodation, some drive cars nobody can afford even tho they never had a job

Anonymous Sat Jan 27 11:13:12 2018 No.10596022

>>10596013
>The STATE seizes the means of production, which is what the Nazis did.
but how did they do that when academic literature is literally puzzled that they didn't nationalize economy but instead followed Western capitalism?

And don't mix it up with war economy this time!

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 11:13:43 2018 No.10596028 >>10596015 >la la la la la it was a war economy, not socialist! I I'm not listening! la la la la la

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 11:13:43 2018 No.10596029 >>10595987 >>10596013 socialism = communism = negation of generalized commitity production. if you don't know what that means, for the love of god, read just a tiny bit of marx. fucking imbeciles.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 11:15:18 2018 No.10596031 >>10596022 >The nazis called it a war economy, so it wasn't socialist!

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 11:16:11 2018 No.10596036 >>10596029 >socialism = communism Wrong.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 11:16:26 2018 No.10596037 >>10596031 MISES, which you quoted, called it war economy.. most historians agree that Nazis started war preparations at least by '34.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 11:16:32 2018 No.10596038 >>10596029 Seizing them means that the government takes control of them, and (according to communist theory) uses them for the greater good instead of for personal gain as in capitalism.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 11:17:34 2018 No.10596049 >>10596037 And MISES comes to the conclusion that Nazism is Socialist by nature

Anonymous Sat Jan 27 11:19:30 2018 No.10596057

>>10595952
tell me something, did those people starving and freezing to death have any value once the election was over and all the money destined to helping them was already overseas?
when they voted for help because they where promised help and then got casted aside was that not theft? there is something particularly disgusting about lying to poor people to get their vote because voting is all poor people have so you are taking everything away from the people who have nothing, i may not be the most compassionate person but i dont go steal change from a blind beggar

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 11:19:45 2018 No.10596058 >>10596036 im right, at least if you follow marx. the distinction came later. >>10596038 this is meme socialism, you can seize the means of production and still have capitalism (think co-ops) as long as the capitalist law of value operates.

Anonymous Sat Jan 27 11:21:21 2018 No.10596066

>>10596013
and what did the state do, it banned trade unions. and it was authoritarian. that's workers' control? as all libetarians all you're doing is playing semantics while not recognizing the reality of the issue. fucking idiots.

>>10596017
>students dont want to become doctors because people look up to doctors or because its a position of high status, let alone helping people.
>Medicine students want to become doctors because doctors get to work whenever they want, get paid a lot and they dont stay unemployed for long, its all about getting as much money for doing as little work
holy fucking shit, this is what happens in the rest of the world too you dumb fuck
your head is a fucking candyland dreamworld if you think a doctor wants to study for 6 or 10 or 12 years just because he has a deep deep drive to help people
>people froze and starved to death
and what do you think libertarians would do? they're against state action dumbfuck!

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 11:22:37 2018 No.10596072 >>10596057 >i may not be the most compassionate person but i dont go steal change from a blind beggar no, you'll take the beggar to a gas chamber

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 11:24:55 2018 No.10596078 >>10596066 This lad is probably a middle-to-low class brazilian who's been sold neoliberalism as a radical position, avoid replying.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 11:29:58 2018 No.10596091 >>10596078 my mind is blown by him crying about poor people freezing to death and putting forward LIBERTARIANISM as a saving proposition libertarians would send death squads on the homeless if they could

Anonymous Sat Jan 27 11:31:18 2018 No.10596096

>>10596066
libertarians would respect the right to vote poor people have because it has equal value to the right to vote everyone has and wouldn't lie to them to steal it because a free society in which you lose all the time is better than a captive society in which you win all the time
also dont assume you know shit about my country, im aware people want to be doctors to make money but you dont understand how its like here

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 11:33:01 2018 No.10596101 >>10596091 >libertarians would stand for the state having the right to kill people >im the retard here i wasn't aware this was /b/

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 11:40:22 2018 No.10596124 >>10596101 >>libertarians would stand for the state having the right to kill people whoever said they're states and not their own paramilitary companies doofus

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 11:42:05 2018 No.10596131 >>10594500 Prefixing an ideology with "alt-" should be outlawed.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 11:45:10 2018 No.10596141 >>10596124 libertarian =/= anarcho-capitalist

Anonymous Sat Jan 27 11:57:20 2018 No.10596169

>>10596096
>libertarians would respect the right to vote poor people have because it has equal value to the right to vote everyone has and wouldn't lie to them to steal it because a free society in which you lose all the time is better than a captive society in which you win all the time
libertarians lie all the time, like how you're pretending to shed tears for the poor frozen people when the political and economic ideology you want to win wouldn't give two shits about them
>but you dont understand how its like here
it's like everywhere else, you're not special, you only think you are

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 11:58:26 2018 No.10596173 >>10596101 oh sorry, they wouldn't send literal death squads, they'd just enact a series of laws that would make homelessness even harder while not doing anything to alleviate it, what a bunch of swell guys

Anonymous Sat Jan 27 12:35:01 2018 No.10596287

>>10596169
im not shedding a tear over the poor poor people im pissed off at the traitorous thieves that only get to power by lying, manipulating, keeping people in constant hysteria and using their own strengths against them, thats completely repulsive
>its the same here
you would probably get diarrhea and die just from drinking my tap water buddy

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 12:47:43 2018 No.10596335 >>10594572 as a former libertarian who has gradually become a crypto-fascist, I have often wondered about this

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 12:49:11 2018 No.10596340 Fuck off, subhuman anclap

Anonymous Sat Jan 27 12:52:41 2018 No.10596358

>>10596173
because thats the same thing right?
this isnt america, poor people here want to work, i see them all the time walking around dumpster diving for anything they can sell, they walk for miles under unbearable heat, if i had my own company i would rather hire some of them instead of college students

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Anonymous Sat Jan 27 12:54:01 2018 No.10596366

>>10595023
Why is "punching Nazis" such a meme to the left?
Even the Richard Spencer event that they all nutted themselves over was just some guy sucker-punching then running off like a queer.
Is it just a power fantasy for them? There are plenty of fat losers on the right but effectively zero leftists have any regard for fitness or practical skill, just larping online about shooting the boojwah as if their 5'8" 110lb selves wouldn't be first in line to be shot and kicked into a ditch when actual authoritarians took power

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 12:54:27 2018 No.10596370 >>10596358 >if i had my own company i would rather hire some of them instead of college students the fuck you would

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 12:56:38 2018 No.10596379 >>10596366 A lot of pop leftist ideology, I think, is just something to excuse the creation of a venue where people can act out pathologically and chalk it up to some pursuit of justice.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 12:56:45 2018 No.10596380 >>10595499 >Shitty reskin of an existing /pol/ meme but without any semblance of wit or humor, literally just "people I don't like are stupid" >Gets butthurt when called out Fuck off

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 13:00:10 2018 No.10596386 >>10596380 >pol memes >wit & humor pick one (95% of the time)

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 13:00:12 2018 No.10596387 >>10595256 stop being a libertarian then

Anonymous Sat Jan 27 13:01:59 2018 No.10596390

>>10596366
the 'radical left' today is not radical at all, they are professional academic drones churning out paper after paper on white privilege, they are neurotic they/them furries who won't go out of their homes, but fantasise about 'punching nazis', they are blue haired women working for Disney's HR department.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 13:03:10 2018 No.10596391 File: 27 KB, 158x132, 1516541711160.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10596380 >but without any semblance of wit or humor,

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 13:07:54 2018 No.10596406 >>10596370 im 100% convinced that its easier to teach a poor person who never finished high school to do your job than it is to teach a socialist work ethic

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 13:14:44 2018 No.10596432 >>10594572 >American

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 13:17:20 2018 No.10596440 >>10594572 They worship property, and when they realize that the market doesn't adequately protect it, they want the state to step in. You can find quotes form Hayek, Rothbard, and Mises that support my claim.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 13:17:31 2018 No.10596442 >>10596406 we both know you're lying, just stop unless your business doesn't require the services of college-educated people, then yeah, a homeless guy can be a waiter or a car parking assistant or whatever

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 13:18:50 2018 No.10596449 >>10596442 Most people with humanities degrees have been trained to subvert and destroy institutions. I wouldn't trust them in my business.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 13:19:05 2018 No.10596450 >>10595865 >>10595476 >>10595450 samefag

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 13:20:25 2018 No.10596455 >>10596442 most college educated people are overqualified for their jobs, companies only demand college degrees because so many people have them, people used to get internships in tech companies out of highschool

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 13:20:35 2018 No.10596457 >>10596406 >implying I don't want to abolish work and replace it with the free creation of life as a mindblowing work of art

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 13:24:21 2018 No.10596473 File: 293 KB, 452x622, Guy Debord with knife.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10596457 unironically this anyone who wants to CREATE jobs is a enemy of mankind, our purpose should be to leave work behind and actually live.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 13:26:43 2018 No.10596485 >>10596457 >i want to stop working and have more sex and somehow unemployed people from every sex, race and class turn self destructive

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 13:27:06 2018 No.10596491 File: 30 KB, 480x212, 2018-01-27 18.26.23.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10596450 no

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 13:33:14 2018 No.10596515 >>10595926 Brazil?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 13:33:19 2018 No.10596516 >>10596485 >unemployed people from every sex, race and class turn self destructive [source]

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 13:37:36 2018 No.10596525 >>10596516 drugs

Anonymous Sat Jan 27 14:08:47 2018 No.10596648

Why is this thread so filled with underaged spergfits? Is this what discussion of the libertarians or Austrians on /lit/ just naturally attracts? I'm not talking about any one particular side, either. Anyways: Hoppe is good & cool, and a lot of his work is about parallel societies & coexistence. If you're a le epic helicopter memer you probably haven't read hoppe. He doesn't want to kill anyone. The guy that wrote the book in the OP also wrote "spontaneous order", and does the blog/journal Radical Capitalist, which are decent, but I'm not so sure about this book. I worry it may be too much le anti sjw epic style posturing & insights you could get from any /pol/ use already. I'll probably read it. The controversy is surrounding it is pretty silly. Yes, the cover is fucking retarded and embarrassing. It's even more embarrassing that people from the Mises Institute, of all fucking groups, are pressuring someone to remove their speech. That's seriously absurd. The worst group in this conflict has got to be the "libertarian" fuckfaces who haven't read a word of Hoppe and accuse of being a flawed thinker, a social-contractist or incompatible with their REAL libertarianism, a fascist/neoreactionary, etc

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 14:15:59 2018 No.10596669 >>10596648 hoppe is a retard and so are you, hth

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 14:53:26 2018 No.10596808 >>10595464 Most of the major libertarian thinkers of the 20th century were Jewish.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 15:15:47 2018 No.10596903 >>10596648 >Hoppe is good & cool >leans into mic WRONG

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 15:26:53 2018 No.10596943 >>10595677 >"ANTIFA ARE PASTY LITTLE SOYBOY PUSSIES" >"ANTIFA ARE A TERRORIST ORGANISATION THAT DESERVES TO BE SHOT AND IN JAIL AND I HOPE THEY DON'T RUIN MY NEXT NEO-NAZI RALLY!!!!!" Which is it, capitalist supporting cuck?

Anonymous Sat Jan 27 15:28:29 2018 No.10596951

>>10595743

>Nazi Germany was state capitalist and had a state in the first place
>"they are just like commies which isn't state capitalist nor does it have a state at all but they're still like Nazi Germany"

Can you just go to school and get shot already?

Anonymous Sat Jan 27 15:34:34 2018 No.10596973

>>10596943
antifas are stormtroopers for the establishment, their agenda is for all intents and purposes identical to that of Google or Hillary Clinton. I'm not afraid of mentally ill furries who fantasise about 'punching nazis', I see them as useful idiots for ZOG, that's all

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 15:41:16 2018 No.10596998 >>10596973 hahahahhahhahaha inhales hahahahhhahahhaha

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 15:43:05 2018 No.10597002 >>10596998 Hes not wrong, for all their talk they do little more than the dirty work of corporate elites even if his rambling about "zog" or whatever is stupid.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 15:43:30 2018 No.10597005 >>10596998 t. genderfluid dogboy (they/them). Marxist-Leninist-Maoist #fuckwhitepeople DM me if I say something problematic

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 15:45:49 2018 No.10597009 >>10597005 Who knows. Maybe he's just the owner of a super radical anarchist bookstore that exists with the full support of the establishment, but it's still super-duper radical.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 15:46:11 2018 No.10597011 >>10597005 hahahahhahahahha

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 15:51:20 2018 No.10597028 >>10597009 Just log off already, you're done.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 15:51:49 2018 No.10597031 >>10596973 >>10597002 >>10597005 Stop posting, you dunce.

Anonymous Sat Jan 27 15:51:50 2018 No.10597032

>>10597011
see i'm not mad, i'm not mad, look at how hard I am laughing, btw i'm not mad and I'm definitely lolling hard irl at this very moment, I am not passively aggresively fake laughing behind a computer if that's what you think hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 15:52:46 2018 No.10597036 >>10597028 t. warrior for free speech

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 15:58:33 2018 No.10597058 >>10597009 i'm actually just a libertarian who didn't give up on libertarianism because I get triggered by the sound of "Press 1 for English"

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 16:07:08 2018 No.10597088 >>10594500 Jesus Christ this board is being overtaken by /pol/tards who equate racist values with high intellect.

>>	TPM Sat Jan 27 16:15:23 2018 No.10597111 File: 96 KB, 762x530, 1493899017299.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] seems like the convo's over, for shame

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 16:17:53 2018 No.10597123 >>10597031 Maybe I should, but you should first tell me how you meaningfully oppose an establishment that's been working overtime to justify your existence and intellectualize your actions. Do you plan on choking them with the semen they feed you.

Anonymous Sat Jan 27 16:22:52 2018 No.10597146
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>>10596017
brazilian le 56% ancaps are the funniest thing ever: a wacky antropological phenomenon much like melanesian cargo cultist. It's funnier when you realise austrian economics is a bit of 19th century neokantian german autism that somehow managed to survive on to the 21st

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 17:22:50 2018 No.10597355 >>10596669 you've never read hoppe, kinda inappropriate to be sperging out so hard about him

Anonymous Sat Jan 27 17:33:17 2018 No.10597387

>>10595207

>defending yourself is violence

Also, where did I say Leftist would get the bullet?

>>10596366

Its not a meme. And it was Richard Spencer that ran away if you watched the video. Its also about deplatforming fascists. The reason its OK to deplatform Nazis is because Nazis don't use rationality or conventional techniques to spread their ideology. They openly embrace ignorance, deciet, fearmongering, lying that they aren't Nazis and so forth.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 17:36:21 2018 No.10597401 >>10594572 Basically, ever notice how American libertarians all demand absolute states rights in the name of "more freedoms" and then use it to ban all the stuff their conservative buddies don't like except pot? State's right to take away rights.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 17:37:46 2018 No.10597408 >>10597387 >because Nazis don't use rationality or conventional techniques to spread their ideology. gee, sounds much like postmodern leftoids and sjws

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 17:39:18 2018 No.10597415 >>10597408 No it doesn't. Absolutely none of them make any pretense of what they're saying.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 17:43:16 2018 No.10597431 >>10597415 postmodernism is literally sophism designed to subvert society and destroy all meaning and morality except slave morality

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 17:50:14 2018 No.10597459 >>10597431 No it isn't. I urge you to actually read what they say instead of retarded and bias second hand sources that don't understand or outright misrepresent it like Jordon Memerson.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 17:52:33 2018 No.10597470 >>10597459 woah you are so cool and rebellious for sharing the exact same opinions with professional academics with nice ZOG machine credentials and all those multinational jew run media outlets like CNN, MSNBC and the New York Times

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 17:56:20 2018 No.10597490 >>10597470 woah you are so cool and rebellious for browsing /pol/

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 17:59:02 2018 No.10597514 >>10597470 >ZOG >can't prove or qualify term just going to keep saying it because thinking is hard

>>	TPM Sat Jan 27 17:59:45 2018 No.10597520 >>10597490 do you unironically believe postmodernism is anything but destructive, when it teacheds to pull away from society though its many forms of media? wasn't that what is taught my marx and his intelectual lacky's? whose purpose is to destroy the west

Anonymous Sat Jan 27 18:01:11 2018 No.10597528

>>10597387
>The reason its OK to deplatform Nazis is because Nazis don't use rationality or conventional techniques to spread their ideology. They openly embrace ignorance, deciet, fearmongering, lying that they aren't Nazis and so forth.
Just be honest with yourself, the reason you deplatform people is that you have to have total control of the discourse. The political left has made it a big point to colonize all social spaces and orient them to advance their agenda; there's nothing else to it. Whatever else you say is just desperate rationalization.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 18:01:23 2018 No.10597529 >>10597520 I hope you're trolling because if not this is pitiful

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 18:02:49 2018 No.10597534 >>10597528 google the paradox of tolerance numbskull

Anonymous Sat Jan 27 18:08:40 2018 No.10597565

>>10597534
Mere sophistry used injected into the discourse by the political left as a means to colonize the discourse and justify authoritarian behavior on their behalf. The only thing to be learned from it is that tolerance is an arbitrary exercise of power and not a goal worth striving for.

Karl Popper was such a fucking hack.

TPM Sat Jan 27 18:08:57 2018 No.10597566

>>10597529
way to argue, point is that when you depart from the traditional for the sake of modernity, you get shit, as culture cannot be replaced with abstractions of the mind. not how it works.
postmodernism is destructive and subversive because it is a depart from tradition, it even uses the marxist and more broader the jewish idea of critical thinking in order to critique culture, if you weren't a name calling dunce you could do some cursory research about what it is

Anonymous Sat Jan 27 18:09:36 2018 No.10597567

>>10597534
the left took advantage of that paradox a long time ago and wrecked the fuck out of western civilisation. Any reasonable individual can agree we need at least a little fascism in order to restore sanity. Not too much fascism, but fascism, nonetheless, of the mild liberal sort and not more

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 18:13:18 2018 No.10597586 >>10597470 I'm not trying to be cool or rebellious, why would I be? I'm just telling you to actually read what you're talking about.

Anonymous Sat Jan 27 18:17:04 2018 No.10597600
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>>10597528

>the reason you deplatform people is that you have to have total control of the discourse

No I don't. I wouldn't deplatform anyone except Nazis because they've given up all semblance of rationality.

>The political left has made it a big point to colonize all social spaces and orient them to advance their agenda; there's nothing else to it

Oh yeah, the radical left has definitely done that. There's absolutely nowhere for right wingers to express their opinions in order to get elected.

Anonymous Sat Jan 27 18:17:27 2018 No.10597601

>>10597566
>when you depart from the traditional for the sake of modernity, you get shit

This, this right here highlights the problem with /pol/tards. The problem with /pol/tards is that THEIR lives are shit, and project this on everyone else.

The world has never been in a better place than now, it's YOUR life that is shit because you're a social failure or because your parents sucked or because you didn't try in school.

>>	TPM Sat Jan 27 18:20:58 2018 No.10597611 >>10597601 so you're going to dismiss everything to achieve a 'victory' ggm80 better luck arguing next time

Anonymous Sat Jan 27 18:22:33 2018 No.10597618

The word libertarian is just a buzz word that has been redefined by a couple rich people and their marketing folks to make an authoritarian political program seem like it has any intellectual justification. 'Real libertarians' -- people who think that LIBERTY is of chief importance in ethical and political matters and have actually read foundational works like "On Liberty" -- are no longer what comes to mind when the word 'libertarian' is mentioned. Today's 'libertarians' don't talk about liberty, and argue for ideas which are completely opposed to libertarian values.

As you can see just from the discussion occurring right now in this read, 'libertarians' are essentially ideologues that aren't even taken seriously on basic cable.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 18:23:06 2018 No.10597620 >>10594500 what the fuck

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 18:23:50 2018 No.10597625 >>10597600 the radical left is going to live to regret the day they decided to mess with my vidya. smash cultural marxism and sieg fucking heil

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 18:27:43 2018 No.10597644 >>10597625 When did the radical left mess with anyone's vidya you idiot.

>>	TPM Sat Jan 27 18:28:39 2018 No.10597649 >>10597644 >he doesn't know

Anonymous Sat Jan 27 18:34:25 2018 No.10597678

>>10597649

Ah yes, GG. The nuclear reaction to someone having an opinion. An opinion that was heavily, HEAVILY misrepresented by so called "rational skeptics" like TF. And in Thunderf00t's case, he actually deliberately edited videos to make Sarkeesian say things out of context or like she didn't play the game when she did.

TPM Sat Jan 27 18:38:37 2018 No.10597690

>>10597678
lol, why the fuck are you going off about e-celebs
one only has to look at mass effect, or battlefield, to see this. and then you have to be a huge nerd, or look for this kinda stuff, to see the staff behind making these games. the evidence is there, the information is old. you can ask /v/, or look up gamergate

Anonymous Sat Jan 27 18:40:25 2018 No.10597700

>>10597600
>No I don't. I wouldn't deplatform anyone except Nazis because they've given up all semblance of rationality.
You're so consumed by ideology that you can't even see it. It's kind of cute to be honest. Why is it that political discourse must be rational? Where does this conception of rationality arise? I'm sure you'd be willing to acknowledge that no one's politics is purely rational, but what gives you reason to believe that the thing that draws people to whatever other movements are the "rational" elements of their discourse? This certainly isn't the case for the contemporary left which has embraced empathy (which again in their use is nothing more than an ideological term) as a core value. The demand and definition of rationality you offer is nothing more than leftist ideology given new titles only exists because the left has the power to force them into existence.

>Oh yeah, the radical left has definitely done that. There's absolutely nowhere for right wingers to express their opinions in order to get elected.
They really have. The last year should have demonstrated how meaningless elections are to the total domination of the far left as they've consistently obstructed the actions of of a right wing government with cultural power alone. It actually is really impressive, but that is only the most superficial aspect their project. Every aspect of human existence has been broken down and reconstructed in order to advance leftism. The most important aspect of this language. The left has reconstructed language so that all discourse that occurs is either explicitly leftist in nature or is in the process of becoming leftist. Even a place like /pol/ (though communication in text provides some resistance to this) by the mere act of communication through language itself is advancing the cause of the political left.

Anonymous Sat Jan 27 18:40:59 2018 No.10597703

>>10594500
this whole helicopter meme is a strange one, didn't pinochet kill like a 100 people that way? stalin was knocking out numbers like that before breakfast, on a daily basis for decades, he killed more communists than pinochet could ever have hoped to

i'm not saying stalin was a great guy but if you right wing turds wanna start acting like your good at killing people en-masse you're gonna have to stop denying the holocaust otherwise you're just being proud of something you weren't very good at

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 18:46:06 2018 No.10597719 >>10597690 gamergate was the greatest world historical event of the 21st century, hands down, imo it reminds me of the French Revolution. What would Hegel think about gamergate?

Anonymous Sat Jan 27 18:46:17 2018 No.10597722
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>>10597700
>Even a place like /pol/ (though communication in text provides some resistance to this) by the mere act of communication through language itself is advancing the cause of the political left.

Anonymous Sat Jan 27 18:48:17 2018 No.10597730

>>10597700
ur talking about the left and right as if they're both cohesive political movements, you're a politically illiterate spunk nozzle and have hereby had your membership of the human race revoked, u have 24 hours to hand yourself into the authorities or face gential deconstruction. resistance is gay

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 18:48:26 2018 No.10597731 >>10597719 tbqh i was getting some gator vibes from him in phenomenology of the spirit. def would be /ourguy/.

Anonymous Sat Jan 27 18:48:26 2018 No.10597732

>>10597690

Mass Effect and Battlefield are wank because of the larger trends in gaming. That is, game developers *know* idiots will buy whatever games they shit out because of the brand. How is Mass Effect Andromeda any different to other sequels that are fucking terrible compared to their predecessors? Sonic is now basically a joke, was SEGA made up of "SJW" staff? Jak: TLF was a rubbish game, didn't know Naughty Dog were SJWs as well. Its nothing to do with "SJWs" and everything to do with larger trends in consumerism and the fact that most games and movies tend to drop off in quality as more sequels are released because the studios get burnt out and forget what made those things good in the first place or switch teams that don't have the same artistic vision as the people who created the franchise.

This is why Nintendo games haven't been effected by this trend as badly, because Japanese companies generally have a "job for life" philosophy and retain old talent.

But sure, lets all ignore these real complex factors and blame it on some women making YouTube videos.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 18:51:18 2018 No.10597746 >>10597731 >the guy whose recommendation for phrenologists was to crack their skulls in order to prove them wrong would be /ourguy/

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 18:54:33 2018 No.10597766 >>10597746 just like we bash sjw skulls with facts and reason. most definitely, 100% /ourfuckingguy/.

TPM Sat Jan 27 18:56:38 2018 No.10597775

>>10597732
so are you going to ignore how the devs of the mass effect, admitted to doing what they did on the purpose of being sjw, didn't the lead dev on mass effect take to twatter saying how much he wants to stick it to racisist and he excluded white from the game almost completely, to the point you could not make a white character at first till they patched it in a hurry even going so far as to rewrite cannon to say whites went extinct, battlefield they did the infamous 'blacking' of the soldiers for specifically sjw purposes.
and sure bad games get released, like you mentioned sonic. because of industry not caring, but there is a fine line between 'bad game' try again, and sjw nonsense
it just so happens that more and more vidya are being infected with sjw nonsense
as for nintendo, they are japs that mostly don't care about identity politics, you can see this when sjw's attacked weeb culture, and the jap artists they flagged down to shame brushed them off as crazy. nintendo are japs that do not care for politics, and are largely untouched, tho they have their own problem of not changing style of games, they still don't do sjw nonsense, even when they dressed link up as a trap, its cause its funny or fetish, but not serious politics or a 'statement'

Anonymous Sat Jan 27 18:57:10 2018 No.10597782

>>10597700

>Where does this conception of rationality arise?

You know, philosophy? You're almost 3000 years late to this party if you don't understand what rationality is. All politics is based on what's rational. Rationality has a broader metaphysical meaning from which empathy and so forth can be drawn from.

>are to the total domination of the far left

What the fuck are you on about? What about The USA is "far-left"? When Obama is called a Socialist for wanting free healthcare, something basically every first world nation has, how on Earth could you call the USA "far-left"? I wish it was far-left, then we could have a society that benefits everyone instead of people who already got theirs through ancestral power.

>Every aspect of human existence has been broken down and reconstructed in order to advance leftism

No, it has to be *deconstructed* in order to find where the system discriminates against people. You know, like how USA capitalism directly harms poor southern coal miners because stuffing barbiturates and painkillers down people's throats that they then get addicted to is cheaper than actually fixing what's wrong with them or *gasp!* forcing the poor mining bosses to enforce basic fucking health and safety.

>The left has reconstructed language so that all discourse that occurs is either explicitly leftist in nature or is in the process of becoming leftist

What are you on about? I honestly don't know if you have a point here because I just don't understand what you're trying to say.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 19:01:07 2018 No.10597799 >>10597700 if you switch 'leftist' for capitalist, you got Guy Debord. Maybe everyone else, both left and right is actually just paranoid and cautious wonkish neoliberalism is the way

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 19:05:12 2018 No.10597812 >>10597799 >cautious wonkish neoliberalism is the way cautious wonkish neoliberalism is what got everyone into this mess

Anonymous Sat Jan 27 19:10:12 2018 No.10597831

>>10597775

Well if he wanted to exclude white people specifically, he did a piss poor job given most of the characters are white and the default skin for the Ryder's are white. And if he did say that on twatter, then he's a bigot. There's difference between inclusion and exclusion. No SJW with a brain "hates" white people or wants them gone.

>battlefield they did the infamous 'blacking' of the soldiers for specifically sjw purposes.

Yes, to include black soldiers who fought during WW1. Is that such a terrible thing? Are you against freedom of creativity?

>it just so happens that more and more vidya are being infected with sjw nonsense

Well so what, has any SJW asked for games that don't contain ideas about inclusion or avoiding stereotypes to be banned outright? Cuphead overtly resembles cartoons and motifs that hark back to racist caricatures of blacks being addicted to gambling or "craps", was that banned? No, it was a huge success.

>they are japs that mostly don't care about identity politics

Again with this shit. So for you, a bad game isn't a game that has a shitty narrative or poor presentation, its based soley on how tits and arse or how many brown people it excludes. Pokemon S&M has almost no white people in it, they're almost all depictions of native Hawaiians or Japanese people, is that SJW "nonsense"?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 19:12:12 2018 No.10597839 File: 159 KB, 657x664, cnn jews.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10597514 believe me, it's all out there, but the problem is those sheeple just don't want to see it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 19:13:00 2018 No.10597844 >other good books Pic unrelated?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 19:16:41 2018 No.10597864 /mu/ and /pol/ killed this board... so sad I remember when we had good threads about nazis and shit like that, now we have this retarded shit

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 19:17:15 2018 No.10597867 >>10597839 jews are literally just smarter on average. i'll never understand how people so obsessed with a racial hierarchy can be blind to this. next level cognitive dissonance.

Anonymous Sat Jan 27 19:17:42 2018 No.10597869

>>10597700
>The left has reconstructed language so that all discourse that occurs is either explicitly leftist in nature or is in the process of becoming leftist. Even a place like /pol/ (though communication in text provides some resistance to this) by the mere act of communication through language itself is advancing the cause of the political left.
This, brilliant.

Anonymous Sat Jan 27 19:20:06 2018 No.10597885

>>10597782
>What the fuck are you on about? What about The USA is "far-left"? When Obama is called a Socialist for wanting free healthcare, something basically every first world nation has, how on Earth could you call the USA "far-left"?
>You know, like how USA capitalism directly harms poor southern coal miners because stuffing barbiturates and painkillers down people's throats that they then get addicted to is cheaper than actually fixing what's wrong with them or *gasp!* forcing the poor mining bosses to enforce basic fucking health and safety.
Imagine being this much of a basic bitch redditor, jesus christ.

Anonymous Sat Jan 27 19:21:32 2018 No.10597890
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Is there a more failed living philosopher than Hoppe?

>epistemology is a failed attempt to read Kant and by any means is a "pseudo science"
>his main idea, the "argumentative ethics" fail hard in the Hume's Law
> even if it doesn't, it needs a mind dualism, something that hard sciences had killed a long time ago
>Monarchy being better and freer than Democracy, his main sociological hypothesis can be verified as fake by any children (the countries where people and market are freer are also the most democratic
>pathetic interpretation of Natural Law, itself a pathetic idea
>teens use his main ideas to promote ideas that hate freedom
>is incapable of explain why his anarchism wouldn't allow the state to come back
>can't even explain the main differences of his ideas and Feudalism

I'm a Minarchist, but neomisesianism is the cesspool of philosophy and economics today

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 19:21:34 2018 No.10597891 >>10597885 See, this exactly why what we mean by Nazis are completely irrational and deserve a punch.

Anonymous Sat Jan 27 19:23:31 2018 No.10597901
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>>10597831
I for one am tired of those 'marginalised folks' the 'trans people' bluehaired women, numales those shrill, evil 'marginalised voices.' This is why I, as a white man and as a gamer, see no rational way forward but the SIEGE-pill. There's this little book called SIEGE by James Mason, I want you to read SIEGE, cause it's got the answer to all your questions. The mainstream media has been demonising Charles Manson and his teachings for almost 50 years now. why? are they afraid of something? why does Manson drive the fear of God into the tiny black hearts of establishment pigs and gamedevs? I don't buy the whole evil Manson legend, I think he was a real patriot, a wise and enlightened individual, a saint, even.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 19:26:25 2018 No.10597912 >>10597901 You're just proving my argument that you've given up all semblance of reality or rationalism. I'll read SIEGE but getting through to someone like you is like explaining to a cat its bad to kill birds.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 19:28:58 2018 No.10597926 >>10597601 Huh sounds kinda like niggers

Anonymous Sat Jan 27 19:31:09 2018 No.10597932

>>10597730
The recent polarization we've seen has created some rather strange bedfellows recently. It's makes it a lot easier to generalize and still be correct, but on it's surface this is still too simple. The left has gained control of the space so thoroughly that any proposals opposed to its ideals do not exist except as a means to become their ideals. There is no left and right anymore. The only positions that really exist are the left and those opposed to the left as an entity.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 19:32:46 2018 No.10597937 >>10597932 >The only positions that really exist are the left and those opposed to the left as an entity. >making up shit so you can LARP as a part of a grand coalition in battle against a Goliath

Anonymous Sat Jan 27 19:38:43 2018 No.10597950

>>10594572
During the Bush-era, libertarianism and "the Old Right" (Alfred Jay Nock, Sen. Robert Taft, Rothbard) was the obvious rallying point for an Americans on the "Right" but against the Iraq War and "big gov't conservatism". There isn't a strong collectivist far-right tradition in the US (just as there isn't a strong Marxist tradition), but the Old Right/libertarian tradition is very strong and has been highly systematized and explained over the years, culminating with Rothbard. Both Catholic trads (Deenan, First Things), neoreaction (Moldbug), and alt-right white nationalists are essentially European imports. Americans that found the American Old Right tradition unworkable or doomed to fail started reading books by authoritarian Europeans of various stripes, or at least adopting their views.

Anonymous Sat Jan 27 19:39:00 2018 No.10597951

>>10597782
You know, philosophy? You're almost 3000 years late to this party if you don't understand what rationality is.
And as a discipline it's failed to construct a meaning of this term that exists as more than just means for the dominant to exercise violence.
>All politics is based on what's rational.
That might be the dumbest generalization I've ever seen. Are you being dishonest or are you just dumb?
>Rationality has a broader metaphysical meaning from which empathy and so forth can be drawn from.
Let's just feel rationally. Sounds like a recipe for success to me.
>What the fuck are you on about? What about The USA is "far-left"? When Obama is called a Socialist for wanting free healthcare, something basically every first world nation has, how on Earth could you call the USA "far-left"? I wish it was far-left, then we could have a society that benefits everyone instead of people who already got theirs through ancestral power.
The far left is an an avalanche that has absorbed everyone in its path, and there's no system that could benefit everyone as the act of coexistence for many peoples is far too painful to be tolerable.
>No, it has to be *deconstructed* in order to find where the system discriminates against people. You know, like how USA capitalism directly harms poor southern coal miners because stuffing barbiturates and painkillers down people's throats that they then get addicted to is cheaper than actually fixing what's wrong with them or *gasp!* forcing the poor mining bosses to enforce basic fucking health and safety.
And then it has to be reconstructed in some way, and it's only done by those doing the deconstructing, and they have building on the foundation of language itself have made every aspect of existence oriented so that it can exclusively to advance the causes of the political left. This is done in accordance with their symbiotic relationship to the business and political elite. This means that all their criticism amounts to little more than an academic exercise, and that their dominance and the dominance of those elites can be maintained. And the feisty ones can get their rocks off by violently crushing the only ones willing to meaningfully stop these abuses. The far-right had a similar relationship with these elite in the 20s, but our techno-globalized world demands that tables be turned.
>What are you on about? I honestly don't know if you have a point here because I just don't understand what you're trying to say.
Every facet of our our political discourse down to the words themselves exists in such a way that it renders leftism the only valid solution to any discussion, and ever discussion that occurs in the western world (political or not) today comes to this conclusion. We must only look at the words themselves their meanings, pronunciation, and context that makes their use appropriate can only lead those engaging in linguistic discourse towards left wing solutions.

Anonymous Sat Jan 27 19:43:14 2018 No.10597970

>>10597937
>making up shit so you can LARP as a part of a grand coalition in battle against a Goliath
I wouldn't call a coalition of one very grand, and trust me, it will destroy me. I make clam not to resemble David in anyway. At this point I've decided it's best to exert any effort and just understand my environment. I have no constructive solutions to the problems we face today, and I really don't care much anymore. The far right a nothing more than a gaggle of failures. They don't have my sympathy.

Anonymous Sat Jan 27 19:48:53 2018 No.10597993

>>10597951

>All politics is based on what's rational.

Well of course it is. Even politicians who lie are doing it for rational reasons. Nazism however is not rational because it doesn't benefit anyone, even whites. Too be honest, I think of young white people sucked into the alt-right as victims of their own stupidity too be honest.

>Let's just feel rationally. Sounds like a recipe for success to me.

Seriously, have you never read philosophy? Its not based on feelings at all. I won't go into platonism or nominalism, but seriously, read a book dude.

>The far left is an an avalanche that has absorbed everyone in its path

I fucking wish.

>there's no system that could benefit everyone as the act of coexistence for many peoples is far too painful to be tolerable.

Not really for anyone except a few cranks. The majority of society have no problem coexisting.

>This is done in accordance with their symbiotic relationship to the business and political elite

First indication you don't know what you're talking about. The far-left hate Liberalism and cooperation with corporations.

>that their dominance and the dominance of those elites can be maintained

The far-left would ultimately have it so there is no elite. The reason Neo-liberals take some talking points from the far-left is to convince everyone they are leftists while continuing the system that benefits them. Obviously if you're in power you need to secure that power through promises otherwise people will depose you. Hillary Clinton is a right winger who uses a few leftist points to secure left wing votes.

>exists in such a way that it renders leftism the only valid solution to any discussion

So then please explain why the whole first and third world are ruled by neo-liberalism, something leftist specifically reject? I fucking wish it was ruled by leftists, perhaps then Africans would have a chance to lift themselves out of poverty and utter bullshit like the Iraq war Israel wouldn't happen.

Anonymous Sat Jan 27 19:51:55 2018 No.10598008

>>10597901
>The mainstream media has been demonising Charles Manson and his teachings for almost 50 years now. why? are they afraid of something? why does Manson drive the fear of God into the tiny black hearts of establishment pigs and gamedevs?
because he led a serial killer cult. Are you this fucking retarded? Society and civilization are built on trust, stability, and longevity. Those values don't synchronize well with a bunch of psycho murderers running around.

Anonymous Sat Jan 27 19:57:26 2018 No.10598026

>>10597993
>Seriously, have you never read philosophy? Its not based on feelings at all. I won't go into platonism or nominalism, but seriously, read a book dude.
Lmfao, this is the calibre of redditors coming to /lit/ now. Did someone advertise the board on r/latestagecapitalism or something.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 19:59:03 2018 No.10598031 >>10598026 OK frogman, its time to return to /pol/pond now.

Anonymous Sat Jan 27 20:01:22 2018 No.10598038

>>10598008
what if i want to rebel against your civilisation and spit in society's face? I should be able to do that. Hey, maybe I just wanna watch that goddamn Manson channel, Martha. Is that too much to ask, Martha? Can't a man just lay down in his favorite chair, crack open a cold one, and tune on to the goddamn Manson Channel? The forbidden channel is the last thing worth watching in this endless world of screens, inside screens, inside screens, once we all tune in to the channel, civilisation will self destruct, animal to animal, the war of all against all as promised to us by Manson and GG Allin. The american dream!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oo64nlKdA0k

Anonymous Sat Jan 27 20:27:04 2018 No.10598128

>>10597993
>Well of course it is. Even politicians who lie are doing it for rational reasons.
And those are the only ones whose politics are in anyway rational. For most people, political allegiance is comes from the feelings they derive from the imagery of a platform's fulfilled promises. Those which make them fell good, they support, and those those that make them feel sad inside, they oppose.
>Nazism however is not rational because it doesn't benefit anyone, even whites.
Are you telling me that before it was destroyed it didn't even benefit the leadership of the party? Do you really believe that? I think your conception of "beneficial", as with your concept of rationality, is highly ideological and arbitrary.
>Too be honest, I think of young white people sucked into the alt-right as victims of their own stupidity too be honest.
I do agree to some extent, but think it primarily comes from the open hostility the political left has towards. While I don't identify with the alt-right (I classify my politics merely anti-leftism), that pushed me from the left was statements made by their own intellectuals and activists. I never fell for the tired right-wing talking points.
>Seriously, have you never read philosophy? Its not based on feelings at all. I won't go into platonism or nominalism, but seriously, read a book dude.
Read some Descartes when I was younger; guess it failed to leave much of an impact on me. Still doesn't mater. Empathy is a feeling, and if you're empathizing, you're using your feelings. You can have a rational response to this, but it doesn't change the action itself.
>Not really for anyone except a few cranks. The majority of society have no problem coexisting.
The post-war construction of humanity is being torn apart at its seams, and it seems that not even consumerism is enough to hold it together. Go outside talk to people who have to live politics and know it as more than just an academic exercise.
>First indication you don't know what you're talking about. The far-left hate Liberalism and cooperation with corporations.
Well then they should put their money where their moth is and stop doing. I've seen many a leftist make this claim, but all the evidence is to the contrary. I think most realize that it violates their convictions, but it is the only practical option they have at the moment.
>The far-left would ultimately have it so there is no elite. The reason Neo-liberals take some talking points from the far-left is to convince everyone they are leftists while continuing the system that benefits them. Obviously if you're in power you need to secure that power through promises otherwise people will depose you. Hillary Clinton is a right winger who uses a few leftist points to secure left wing votes.
And the left-wing votes keep pouring in. Each side of this relationship they have the neoliberals thinks they have the upper hand. The left has opted for a slow evolution towards their ideas. I really wonder how it will end.

Anonymous Sat Jan 27 20:39:26 2018 No.10598175

>>10597890

These so-called 'libertarians' who are nothing more than ideological stooges for the obscenely wealthy plutocrats who aim to acquire total domination of society, are a complete joke. No one takes them seriously, unless you are on 4chan or reddit talking to a fedora-wearer. They are literally opposed to the concept of freedom. They only call their ideology 'libertarian' because the target audience cannot think clearly when it comes to rational consideration of the notion of liberty.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 01:22:18 2018 No.10599388 >>10598128 >>10597993 >>10597951 >>10597782 Holy fuck you guys are the worst. Learn how to type with all that stupid greentext.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 01:26:36 2018 No.10599402 >>10599388 And get called Reddit? Fuck that.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 01:40:58 2018 No.10599461 >>10598038 I can't tell if this is performance art, extreme LARPing, next level turboautistic edge or a mix of the 3 wearing the world's largest fedora.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 01:44:36 2018 No.10599474 >>10598175 >gets 2% of the vote on the most absolute libertarian country on Earth >sucks up to fashos to maintain a facade of relevance when their ideology becomes obsolete as society moves on

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 02:16:22 2018 No.10599586 >>10599474 > Be LIBERTARIAN. > Dont give a fuck about freedom > Dont give a fuck about liberty > Never stfu about gold for some reason > Confuse JSM with scrooge mcduck

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 02:26:46 2018 No.10599628 >>10599586 JSM?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 07:58:36 2018 No.10600628 >>10597932 no

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 08:01:18 2018 No.10600635 >>10599586 >>10599474 Makes your penises kiss

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