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Is the underground man an archetype of the 4chan NEET? Smart, but not as smart as he thinks he is, extremely insecure, hates everyone but secretly wants their approval, does dumb autistic shit like stalk some guy for 2 years to find the perfect time to bump into him.

What is the cause of this type of person? I think it has something to do with atheism.

>> No.10579681

POLITICAL CONTEXT

>> No.10579682

Yeah, this book is much better when looked at as a political piece instead of the philosophical points that every new reader seems to cling to as if it's revolutionary.

>> No.10579684

>>10579667
>atheism in 2018
pls

>> No.10579703

>>10579681
All of Dostoevsky's books have a political aspect in them.
>>10579684
I'm aware that internet atheism is dying. 1/3 of /pol/ Is christian, I believe.

>> No.10579728

>>10579703
atheism doesn't exist. everyone is religious in some aspect, some just happen to worship corporeal things and others non-corporeal

>> No.10579734

>>10579728
no this is just totalitarianism ruling your brain

>> No.10579739

>>10579728
>everyone is religious in some aspect
Just completely beg the question why don't you

>> No.10580542

>>10579728
sup dave

>> No.10580595

>>10579728
this is one of my least favorite memes

>> No.10581403

>>10579682
meanings can change over time
the exact political perspective that dosto is satirizing repeats through time, so it can be seen as satirizing the values behind it too.
don't use wikipedia fun facts to try to invalidate something interesting that someone learned from a book

>> No.10581459

I had a friend who described himself as a underground man, he was on 4chan at the age of 12/13, I met him when he switched to the Orthodox faith. He was then so full of angery to the other people and to himself, but at the other hand he felt better than others. It was connected with his past and many bad things that he have done. I've never known someone like him and it was the hardest realtionship i have. But I miss him and I owe him so much

>> No.10583085

>>10579728
>everyone is spiritual in some aspect
I think that better hits the mark, but even then you miss a swath of folks who literally don't give it a thought.

>> No.10584107

bump

>> No.10584281

>>10579667
Some aspects of the book can relate to the average 4chan NEET. Nevertheless that's not the main point of the book. Instead of this, Dostoievski attacks the modernism and its intent to create the optimal plan for human life where everything is calculated beforehand. He despises this utopia and qualifies it as impossible. Life is inherent irrational and the chaos of history is evidence of that. The underground man is the product of the failure of this utopia.

>> No.10584340

>>10579667

it might as well be called “diary of an unsaved man” because that’s precisely what it is and was meant to be

btw, his sickness was not atheism but pride (which of course engenders atheism).

>> No.10584343

>>10584281
only post on this thread that isn't autistic. congrats faggot

>> No.10584357

>>10583085
Those are the truly religious. They worship at the shrine of apple and adidas. One of them grants intelligence and professionalism the other grants speed and youthfulness

>> No.10584388

>>10579681
>>10579682
>>10584281
Maybe the first part, when he goes on and on about how sometimes men do whatever the fuck they want. But the latter half, when he meet his former classmates and goes with a whore afterwards, is so close to r9k its not even funny.

>> No.10584435

Fuck. I just recommended this to a friend seconds ago, come on here and see it on the front page. I haven't been on /lit/ in months. Maybe I should reread it... It's probably been 5 years.