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1055969 No.1055969 [Reply] [Original]

Why is Heinlein considered a Libertarian?

I haven't read all of his works but he does come off as a Democrat. Even Starship Troopers has a slightly liberal message.

>> No.1055972
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>talking about the author behind the novels
lol, even /mu/ doesn't do that seriously.

>> No.1055973

>Libertarian
>liberal

See a similarity there? No? Then you're a moron. True libertarianism involves less government of the people. While that applies economically in ways similar to true conservatism, it also applies to personal freedoms in ways typically seen as more "liberal/leftist".

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>>1055972
>/mu/

My face.

>> No.1055980

>>1055978
LOL'd

>> No.1056003

>>1055973

I usually view libertarianism as a best of both worlds ideology, but most view it as a purely corporatist ideology.

>> No.1056030

>>1056003
None of the people I know who describe themselves as libertarian are in favor of corporations necessarily. I think that's actually the blindspot in the average libertarian's vision really, that, without government regulation, corporations would be free to walk all over us (more than they already do). Here, it'd be the United States of Walmart in the blink of an eye.

>> No.1056035

>>1055969
Heinlein's political views are vey complex and changed throughout his life. However, he was a Libertarian when he was most famous. Ergo, stereotype.

Also, trying to deduce information about an author from their books is a mug's game. If you want something more indepth than Wikipedia, there's a lot of posts about him on tor.com at the moment; they're plugging a biography of him.

>>1056003
Well, it partake of both systems, but it's hardly "the best" of each. Unless you want a cliched cyberpunk setting for your film, I suppose.

>> No.1056039

>>1056030

Exactly. I don't submit fully to the ideology though.

I think government regulations of corporations are necessary to protect the free market that monopolies would otherwise undermine.

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>>1056039

>> No.1056086

>>1056060
I generally agree, but that image is crockery, I like how there's four entries that could have just been summed up in PhD in Economics, and his Kenyan appointment takes up two lines, making it appear as though he's got a long list of qualifications. That alone would be asinine even if the other politicians weren't unabashedly written off.

>> No.1056089

>>1056060

I don't follow.

>> No.1056110

Have you read The Moon is a Harsh Mistress? That probably has something to do with it. It's a classic of libertarian literature.

Also, there's a difference between libertarianism and anarcho-capitalism. Some libertarians are fine with corporations, others warn against power in general - this means both government power AND corporate power. Government power could be viewed, by a libertarian, as a necessary evil, but still something to be wary of.

That said, there are differences between libertarians just like there are differences between liberals and conservatives, so yeah.

>> No.1056111

>>1056089
"orange brigade" or whatever the fuck they're called.

>> No.1056123

>>1056086
That and ministers are appointed, and can get shuffled by the PM or party at whim. (Assuming the UK's cabinet functions like Canada's)