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[Anonymous No.10534827]

I'm determined to tackle, or at least try to tackle post modernism. I'd like advice as to the best place to begin with postmodernism, whether I should follow a chart or whatever.

Just any advice really and general discussion as to how to approach this branch, especially ideas on how to avoid or think about all the negative characterizations of the philosophy.

[Anonymous No.10534831]

>>10534827
Read Lyotard's Postmodern Condition. It's actually readable and it's pretty short. You could decide from there whether or not other postmodern author's are worth reading/spending time on.

[Anonymous No.10534841]

I wanted the mocked up in MSPaint movie poster for that porno. I know one of you cunts has it, please proast.

[Anonymous No.10534846]

Additionally I'd like to say that I understand that Post modernism is obviously a movement that is evolving from modernism, I would love texts that do a great job of what represent modernism, and novels that would also represent post modern idea (guides that directly address the differences between the two would be cool as well).

[Anonymous No.10534852]

STOP kidding yourself OP.

If you don't have the motivation to do the research necessary to design a research curriculum, you don't have the motivation to do research.

In the same vein,

It is much easier to design a curriculum for self-study than to study it. If you can't design the curriculum, you will never be able to stick with it.

[Anonymous No.10534853]

The basic operative concepts of French postmodern thought are extensions of German idealist thought, and often tend to be posed as explicit critiques of German idealist thought.

So a good historical-philosophical understanding of German idealism will allow you to see what kinds of problems began to be tackled in the 20th century, and just as importantly, why. This doesn't mean you have to have exhaustive knowledge of anything, but knowing the general contours of philosophy from 1750 up to Heidegger would be a really good idea. All famous French poststructuralists are either explicit Heideggerians or thinly veiled crypto-Heideggerians. Heidegger took himself to be critiquing the entire Western philosophical tradition after having transcended it, and the poststructuralists took themselves to be finishing or moving beyond Heidegger.

Derrida for example you can't understand without understanding Heidegger, and he is obviously and self-proclaimedly Heideggerian. Deleuze is a bootleg phenomenologist. Foucault is explicitly Heideggerian. All the fancy gymnastics that thinkers like Baudrillard are doing is predicated on a thorough traditional and reflexive understanding of contemporary "critical philosophy," meaning German philosophy.

[Anonymous No.10534856]

>>10534846
I'm this >>10534831 anon. I don't know of any postmodern writers who say anything coherent related to this other than Foucault in "What is Modernity." You could read Foucault's after reading Kant's "What is Modernity" and it should address your interest a bit.

>>10534852
Asking for advice from people who might have some knowledge on "curriculum" isn't a bad way of starting such research.

[Anonymous No.10534863]

>>10534856

>Asking advice from random people on 4chan's literature board about "Postmodernists" is a terrible way of starting research of any sort at all.

ftfy

[Anonymous No.10534878]

>>10534863
Depends on what that advice is about. I'm not inclined to take someone on 4chan's claims about the history of philosophy seriously ( >>10534853, for example). But, if I'm totally in the dark about a book that might be a good intro into some subject, why not ask for recommendations? Why not look into those recommendations and decide if they're worth further looking into? Asking advice isn't harmful unless you're careless with it.

[Anonymous No.10534884]

>>10534878

Start with what you already know.


(you guys should quote me often).

[Anonymous No.10534896]

>>10534884
It's not clear to me how your post is addressing mine.

[Anonymous No.10534904]

>>10534863
>Take my advice: don't take advice on 4chan
>what is a performative contradiction?

[Anonymous No.10534918]

>>10534896

Suppose Abe thinks "topic X is relevant to my interests and should be studied systematically"

The reason Abe wants to study X is because he's been learning Y lately, and he is gaining a sense of his ignorance about X at the same time he is beginning to realize X is relevant to Y.

So Abe should use Y as the starting point for studying X.

In a sentence, OP should start with Jordan Peterson's bibliographies.

[Anonymous No.10534934]

>So Abe should use Y as the starting point for studying X.
Sure, supposing Y can serve as a starting point and Abe understand how to use Y as a starting point.

>>10534918
>In a sentence, OP should start with Jordan Peterson's bibliographies.
lol

Still not clear to me how that post was supposed to be addressing mine unless you think that the "start with Y to learn about X" method is the only method available, in which case, you're obviously wrong.

[Anonymous No.10534971]

>>10534918
OP here

I actually watched his entire maps of meaning lecture on YouTube and Ive been reading maps of meaning but have been a little busy with school.
>>10534852
I am amazed that from the single act of me posing a question about how to approach postmodernism to a literary community, you are able to derive incredible insights into what I am capable of as a human being.

[Anonymous No.10535028]

>>10534853
I am re-reading up on Kant, and this time around im trying to take into account as to what Kant was reacting to as well (what I think is mainly Hume's skepticism for what seems like the possibility of a progressive system of logic and ability of actually knowing what is real)

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[Anonymous No.10535070]

read the series of essays in limited inc. for derrida