Noam Chomsky

[Anonymous No.10525982]

Thought on this man, Where to start with him,

I have herd mixed opinions in him some called him a reddit tier "philosopher" while others thought he was normy and some loved his work but anyways what are your thoughts?

[Anonymous No.10525986]

>>10525982
He smart but wrong.

[Anonymous No.10525998]

>>10525982

Calling him a Reddit tier psued is retarded, Chomsky made huge contributions to linguistics and he's written prolifically and intelligently on politics.

His debate with neocon Richard Perle is on YT and it's a lot of fun to listen to, he absolutely /shreds/ Perle.

[Anonymous No.10526008]

>>10525998
What part of neo-conservatism doesn't chomsky agree with?

[Anonymous No.10526033]

>>10526008

Neoconservatives basically believe that the US should play an aggressive role in promoting democracy around the world, including through the use of military force, *and* that the US should act unilaterally and is constrained by its allies and international institutions/norms/laws.

Whereas Chomsky as a leftist believes that most US uses of military power are deeply immoral and that US foreign policy serves mostly to benefit capital owners, often at the expense of human freedom more broadly.

[Anonymous No.10526043]

>>10525982
He's intelligent but incorrect

[Anonymous No.10526051]

he's a self-hating jew. sell-out. disgraceful

[Anonymous No.10526055]

>>10525982
he knows his shit, and his published work is worth reading.
his recent talks on current politics are nothing more than mainstream media punditry and are best to be avoided.

actually, avoid the last 15-20 years from the kike if you can manage.

[Anonymous No.10526061]

>>10526051
wtf i love chomsky now

[anon1 No.10526254]

>>10525982

I am extremely happy that he has lived to see Donald Trump become president, and I sincerely hope that he dies comfortably in his sleep without any foul play whatsoever, while Donald Trump is president, inwardly despairing that there is absolutely nothing that he can do about it. I wish exactly the same fate to Ruth Bader Ginsburg.

[Anonymous No.10526261]

>>10525982
He's a giant in linguistics but I think that is political views are largely incorrect.
Just to clarify: I'm not a trumptard.

[Anonymous No.10526336]

For all the people saying he's incorrect - why?

[Anonymous No.10526374]

>>10526336
What was the Cambodian genocide?

[Anonymous No.10526381]

>>10526336
I can't bring myself to believe western imperialism was wrong/immoral. I dont think I'm capable giving human life in and of itself the value to see it that way.

[Anonymous No.10526392]

>>10526381
> he’s wrong because l can’t believe what he says
wow

[Anonymous No.10526397]

>>10525986
>>10526043
>>10526261
>>10526381
Let me guess: you’re American

[Anonymous No.10526402]

>>10526392
I think he's a fine political analyst (worth reading even if you disagree), but I just have irreconcilable moral differences with his perspective.

[Anonymous No.10526409]

>>10525982
I've never read him but I'm going to pretend to like him to fit in.

[Anonymous No.10526417]

Watch/listen to 'Is the Tall Man Happy?' It's just a meandering conversation where he talks a lot about human linguistic and creative capacities, it's awesome. As for his politics, I rather liked Requiem for the American Dream (also a documentary), Manufacturing Consent is his most famous book I guess which is about corporate media. He is worth checking out even if you end up disagreeing with him. The dude just has a huge love for humanity which rubs off

[Anonymous No.10526422]

>>10526397
No lol

[Anonymous No.10526437]

>>10525982
Regarding linguistics l’ve understood that he basically revolutionized the field in his youth - but l haven’t really looked into it.

His political writing sometimes sounds like a broken record but is always fact-based and clear of errors. I think he gets a lot of hate because of his basic message: the US is a terror state that constantly violates international law to its own benefit.

[Anonymous No.10526441]

Only read his political books. I like him but his stuff is very "wtf i hate america and israel now". What linguistics stuff of his should I check out?

[Anonymous No.10526453]

>>10525982
How do I get into linguistics, not just Chomsky but in general? Where to start? Basic things I need to learn?

[Anonymous No.10526455]

>>10526437
and markets destroy democracy, the public sector is necessary to push forward technology and create order. The State is just a giant prison-money machine etc etc

[Anonymous No.10526777]

>>10526033
>""""""""""""""""""democracy"""""""""""""""""

[Anonymous No.10526816]

>>10525982
Psued.

[Anonymous No.10526824]

>>10525982
He's a Reddit-tier Jew.

[Anonymous No.10526846]

>>10525982
A lot of Chomsksys works are compliations of talks, essays, and interviews, and often repeated
Who Rules the World and Hegemony or Survival would be some recent works to read
American Power and the New Mandrins, The Political Economy of Human Rights, Fateful Triangle would classical works
>>10526008
all of it
>>10526033
they don't believe in promoting democracy
they undermine it, violently
their claims are mere smoke and mirrors
>>10526055
>mainstream media punditry
no its not
>>10526254
are you, right now, at this very moment, in fact... triggered?
>>10526374
Why don't you read what he has written on the matter instead of repeating what you heard others say about him?
>>10526381
>t. edgelord
>>10526402
the irreconcilable moral difference of believing that imperialism is right and moral?

[Anonymous No.10526884]

read lenin instead

[Anonymous No.10527192]

>>10526884
Fuck off leftypol this is lit

[Anonymous No.10527201]

>>10525982
He makes every excuse for the atrocities of other countries and takes no excuses for US atrocities.
This is why people hate him.

[Anonymous No.10527203]

>>10526846
>the irreconcilable moral difference of believing that imperialism is right and moral?
No, just that western imperialism is.

[Anonymous No.10527235]

Cambodian genocide denier.

[Anonymous No.10527288]

>>10525982
One step above Joe Rogan. Decent propagandist. Terrible writer.

[Anonymous No.10527296]

>>10526254
did chomsky molest you or something? what venomous thoughts you have about the man.

[Anonymous No.10527313]

>>10526055
>>>>mainstream
:')

If you actually read any of it, you phony, you'd know he says the exact same things as Dr. William Luther Pierce.

You idiots make me angry. So uninformed. Parroting. Wew.

[Anonymous No.10527319]

>>10526254
So you're totally unaware of his stance towards Trump?

[Anonymous No.10527339]

>>10527203
why do you believe this?
>>10526884
Lenin is not leftypol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsC0q3CO6lM
>>10527201
What excuses for other countries does he take?
He is an American citizen and therefore he is responsible for... America?
And when you apply critical analysis to the excuses for Americas attrocities you find they're denials, mitigations, or lies
>>10527235
Quote him
>>10527319
critical of him?

[Anonymous No.10527351]

>>10525998

His contributions to linguistics are definitely laudable, though from what I understand people in the field don't care about him any longer (he's pretty much senile at this point). This political writings are pretty retard though, and have nothing of the qualities of his linguistic research. It's even worse than other pop-hacks like Zizek. Some people should just stick to their primary field.

[Anonymous No.10527363]

>>10527351
Even your grammar here is the grammar of a pseud. Very thorough idiocy.

[Anonymous No.10527366]

>>10527339
>why do you believe this?
Because western and (and to a lesser extent sinnic) society are the only things on earth capable of redeeming a race as vile as humanity.

[Anonymous No.10527377]

>>10527339
>What excuses for other countries does he take?
All of them. He's hilariously disingenuous.
>He is an American citizen and therefore he is responsible for... America?
No, he just has an obsessive hatred of the USA and can't admit it.
>And when you apply critical analysis to the excuses for Americas attrocities you find they're denials, mitigations, or lies
And when you apply critical analysis to Chomsky you find denials, mitigations, or lies.

[Anonymous No.10527384]

>>10527339

https://chomsky.info/19770625/

Calls witnesses of the Cambodian genocide liars, attacks and tries to disqualify every media outlet the reported it, tries to nitpick difference in accounts just like Holocaust deniers (as if it was proof that there was no genocide), and claims any horror done by the Khmer Rouge is ultimately America's fault, because as it's in Chomsky's decrepit world view, third worlders have no agency.

[Anonymous No.10527443]

>>10526884
>dont even read Kapital but read the Manifesto lol

[Anonymous No.10527463]

>>10525982
For better or worse, he revolutionized linguistics (I know next to nothing about that field, so I'll say nothing more about it). His political thoughts are a joke, though.

[Anonymous No.10527484]

>>10527363

Typical brainlet behaviour to get worked up about typos rather than trying to meet the argument.

[Anonymous No.10527495]

>>10527363

>very thorough idiocy

[Anonymous No.10527500]

>>10527366
>Because western and (and to a lesser extent sinnic) society are the only things on earth capable of redeeming a race as vile as humanity.
yes, the society that will probably commit species suicide will redeem humanity

[Anonymous No.10527555]

>>10527384
>tries to nitpick difference in accounts just like Holocaust deniers (as if it was proof that there was no genocide)
>critical thinking means you're a nazi because some holocaust denier pretends to do the same
brilliant insight, please write more, much value

[Anonymous No.10528972]

Chomskyhonks

[Anonymous No.10528977]

>>10525982

He's definitely not a redditor. His critique of evolution was great.

[Anonymous No.10528998]

>>10525982
I like hearing him talk. I like the sound of his voice and once he gets going there is no sweeter sound.

[Anonymous No.10529001]

His books, especially Manufacturing Consent, are prolific and incredibly insightful.

Anyone who dislikes/disagrees with him needs to do more research or is a genuine sociopath (generally).

[Anonymous No.10529010]

>>10526381
>was
Lol read more faggot

Also seek psychiatric help, at the very least attempt to be more empathetic instead of pathetic

[Anonymous No.10529011]

>>10525982
He's right about almost everything except race. Th minute he begins acknowledging the biological superiority of the European race the better.

[Anonymous No.10529025]

>>10526254
Chomsky supports trump ending the nafta agreement and the tpp. He just feels he needs to do more to end economic globalization. He thinks Trump is much better than the clintons, bushes and obama, reagan and basically every president since before wilson

[Anonymous No.10529026]

"Check dis. I is with none other than my main man, Professor Norman Chompsky."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOIM1_xOSro

[Anonymous No.10529038]

>>10529025
>since before wilson

[Anonymous No.10529057]

>>10525982
I prefer Thomas Sowell. A superior contemporary to Chomsky I believe.
>>10528998
His droning puts me to sleep tbqh

[Anonymous No.10529066]

>>10529038
Ikr Wilson was fucking awful.

[Anonymous No.10529074]

>>10527555
He specifically stated Cambodian refugees witness statements about the violence should be considered suspect because it fed into narrative s of American intervention. He worked to undermine the words of victims themselves

[Anonymous No.10529075]

>>10529038
Woodrow Wilson started the american empire. Him and everyone after him was a mistake.

[Anonymous No.10529105]

>>10529075
>Wilson started the American empire
Thomas Jefferson, Andrew Jackson, James k. polk, Abraham Lincoln, Ulysses S. Grant, and the guy who presided over the Spanish American war (fuck it I'm not googling) all disprove that idiotic statement.

[Anonymous No.10529397]

>>10529075
The founding fathers believes that America was a nascent empire from the very beginning.

[Anonymous No.10529408]

>>10529025
Chomsky preferred, and prefers, Clinton to anyone from the Republican Party.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btJfkPBLULg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O34JM4Xdf3g

[Anonymous No.10529419]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5in5EdjhD0
He is the greatest phylosopher we have.
People dont like him because he is as nonfictional as possible and destroy there little fantasies

[Anonymous No.10529429]

>>10527377
>this meme
Chomsky is an American. His locus of control is in America, not Russia or China or Saudi Arabia. He will point out faults on other countries in passing (he's done this with Iran and NK, even though he defends them against US policy). He, like you and I, have far more capability to fix our problems than Chinese or Russian ones. The US propaganda machine is already pointing out the flaws of US enemies; why add to that already gigantic pool of criticism?

He's also gone on record as saying domestically the US is the most free nation in the world, least racist, etc. He does not however, excuse it for its faults with what-aboutism as his critics often do.

[Anonymous No.10529518]

>>10529075
I remember when my main source of information was conspiracy videos. Man, shit was so simple then.

>>10525982
Yeah, yeah. Get to the good bits already. Who are the bad guys according to Chomsky? I have a rule with pseuds and its foolproof: if they don't boil down the history of human thought and phenomenology into us vs them I know they are a false prophet.

[Anonymous No.10529564]

>>10525998
Watching debates on YT sounds like a waste of time to me. You learn more from reading Tolstoy and Emerson.

[Anonymous No.10530307]

>>10526397
>t. joaquín hernandez rodrigo

[Anonymous No.10530520]

>>10526051

[Anonymous No.10530851]

>>10529057
My nigga
My nigga
My MOTHAFUCKIN' nigga

[Anonymous No.10530854]

>>10527363

[Anonymous No.10530872]

>>10527384
>implying american action in vietnam and occupation/subsequent evacuation of phnom penh didn't facilitate the rise of the khmer rouge

power vacuums, dude
http://www.edwebproject.org/sideshow/history/end.html

[Anonymous No.10530879]

>>10526884
this is how retarded Tankies are born

[Anonymous No.10530925]

Chomsky is a heavyweight in International Relations. Most certainly knows what he's talking about, and a mind that has developed over a time-frame longer than most, giving him a keen sense of historicity. No idea on his thoughts about linguistics.

[Anonymous No.10530932]

MORE LIKE GNOME CHUMPSKY

[Anonymous No.10530944]

>>10525982
unironically he's one of the most brilliant thinkers of all time. lots of people misunderstand him based on a few out of context youtube clips, but read his serious work. linguistics, cognitive science, pure philosophy, politics, international relations--it's all solid af.

[Anonymous No.10532393]

>>10530307
Kek, looks like he was right anon

[Anonymous No.10532401]

>>10525982
The Chomsky vs. Foucault debate is pure kino

[Anonymous No.10532605]

>>10532401
>Jew vs. Foucault
This does not jive with my understanding of things.
Was it just a ploy to through us off? Shit.
Please explain.

[Anonymous No.10532648]

>he's a Chomsky acolyte

*blocks your path*

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6kbTeQo3VQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFt621qFvDA

[Anonymous No.10532665]

>>10526051
another reason to like him

[Anonymous No.10532694]

>>10526033
>Neoconservatives basically believe that the US should play an aggressive role in promoting democracy around the world
Do politicians actually believe that ? A civil war is probably the least effective way to start a democracy.

[Anonymous No.10532803]

>>10532694
they probably don't, but it's a great way to make money

[Anonymous No.10532819]

>>10532694
>>10532803
This is also a dumb premise. Neolibs say the same things. I.e. clintons and Obama. FOR DEMOCRACY!!!! is literally our DEUS VULT. only a fool believes wars are about ideology and not control of economies.

[Anonymous No.10532830]

>>10532819
exactly

[Anonymous No.10533136]

I'm glad he's dead.

[Anonymous No.10533445]

>>10525982
he thinks slaves were better off than people under capitalism because they were 'taken care of'

[Anonymous No.10533462]

>>10530872
you mean the evacuation of south viatenam defended by pacifists and noam chomsky himself led to the rise of the khamer rouge and the genocide?
well I agree with you.

[Anonymous No.10533529]

>>10533445
based

[Anonymous No.10533581]

>>10533462

>What is the American carpet bombing of Cambodia and Laos to wipe out the Vietcong during the American War for 2000 Alex?

[Anonymous No.10533612]

>>10533581
should've let them finish the job
leaving too early is almost as bad as entering at all

[Anonymous No.10533645]

>>10533612
They could've carpet bombed southeast Asia til this very day and they still wouldn't have won the war. The v.c. and their allies were dug deep into the ground. You would literally have to go from hole to hole and flood or burn them out like rats in a pig pen.

[Anonymous No.10533769]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMUrPnWufOA

[Anonymous No.10533821]

>>10532694
it is when you have tyrants who cant be removed any other way

[Anonymous No.10534003]

>>10530307
toplel

[Anonymous No.10534046]

>>10525982

breddy gud

[Anonymous No.10534140]

>try to start with Noam Chomsky, the Dershowitz Destroyer, the Friend of Finkelstein, AKA Big Man Linguistics
>can't figure out where to start with him
>try to find a list of his published writings
>297 books
>okay
>divide these into linguistics and politics
>start indexing the political books
>exactly 97% are just rambling interviews or talks he's given that were transcribed by other people and published with catchy titles even though they rehash the same material as the last ten books, often literally the exact same material
>okay, cut those out, new category: actual books, containing actual original content
>get it down to Manufacturing Consent and like two other books
>they're mostly derivative, the documentary is actually more useful than the book
>surprised to find no real sociological or critical analysis of ideology, Chomsky can't seem to get past the journalistic level of analysis
>what the hell, isn't this guy supposed to be like the doyen of critiquing the American plutocratic mediopoly?
>find out his politics is "anarcho-syndicalist" but he has no idea what this actually means, AKA he has some vague idea of self-organizing and intermittently defends heinous mass murderers, but he also ALWAYS tells you to vote American establishment (????) and was anti-Brexit
>okay maybe his linguistic work is better
>read up on his more recent stuff, the Minimalist Program
>absolutely worthless, shallow, lacks any interdisciplinary connections
>okay well what about his big thing BTFOing the behaviorists?
>turns out their paradigm was never really dominant
>he's obviously just rehashing Kant vs. extreme Lockean sensationalists
>dig furiously to find any evidence Chomsky understands this transcendental turn, the most significant moment in modern philosophy, and its obvious mirroring of his work
>find barely any references of Chomsky to Kant, always tangential and revealing no actual understanding of Kant
>finally find Chomsky directly being asked the Kant question by someone who would clearly understand the resonance: Bryan McGee, in an old interview
>McGee poses the question
>Chomsky: "UMMM DERRRR DUHHHH I PREFER THE CAMBRIDGE NEOPLATONISTS.. THE.. THE CAMBRIDGE NEOPLATONISTS NEED TO BE STUDIED MORE. ERM... I LIKE HUME.."
>McGee: "?????"
>Chomsky has literally never fucking read Kant
>Chomsky's ONLY philosophical training is the old schoolboy rough-and-ready analytic "Locke then Hume then modern science" version of the history of philosophy, AKA, none
>he has spent almost a fucking century purporting to study the origins and essential nature of language in human cognition and he's never found an afternoon to brief himself on even rudimentary philosophy of mind
>his political philosophy has NO PRAXIS WHATSOEVER and he's 101% pro-establishment in everything
>his "theory" of elites manipulating society is on the level of an undergrad who took one sociology class

Is Noam Chomsky the best example of an intellectual fraud and establishment huckster?

[Anonymous No.10534180]

>>10526453
Syntactic Structures

[Anonymous No.10534192]

>>10534140
Wow all that typing to be proven wrong in a single picture.

[Anonymous No.10534198]

>>10526336
Nobody will be able to answer this. Chomsky is one of the most thorough and well reasoned arguers in history and every attempt I've seen to 'refute' him, under the assumption that he's a hack, always ends up outright laughable. Very few people go out of their way to back their shit to the extent he does.

[Anonymous No.10534318]

He is very vell spoken, and always consistent.

I feel sorry for him that fact that he's living in the states, because just arguing for relativism and not buying into american exceptionalism is something he has to fight all the time. In other parts of the world it's not something you even have to talk about.

[Anonymous No.10534358]

>>10534192
How does this prove him wrong exactly?

[Anonymous No.10534503]

>>10525982
>calling Lacan a charlatan
He is a nigger

[Anonymous No.10534539]

>>10525982
He's valuable in his field, linguistics.
>linguistics is not politics
>linguistics is not foreign policy
>linguistics is not economics
>linguistics is not philosophy

[Anonymous No.10534570]

Watch his debate with Foucault. That establishes basis of most major intellectual division the word has today.

[Anonymous No.10534656]

>>10526846
>>10527339
>>I'm a Noam Chomsky apologist

Literally go fuck yourself. What interest do you have in defending an "intellectual" this obsessively?

If I may quote Nietzsche, "[one] repays a teacher badly if one remains only a pupil."

Stop defending thinkers as if they're your father or something; start thinking for yourself man.

[Anonymous No.10535156]

>>10534192
Hurr I take pics wit books Durr.

[Anonymous No.10535181]

>>10534140
shit pasta is shit

[Anonymous No.10535233]

>>10525982
>Where to start

On Language. If you are interested in his political views thats hard to say. Mainly depends on what you are interested in since he has quite a few books on politics

>reddit tier "philosopher"

No. People who actually study philosophy of language and logic understand how important linguistics is to their discipline and Chomsky is their giant for a reason. He has a strong understanding of Frege, Russell, Wittgenstein, Strawson, Putnam, Kripke, etc. You can disagree with him on what he thinks, for example you might disagree with his attempt at giving an explanatory theory before finding certainty in some elucidation in some notion that we find intuitive. You might think its a good idea instead to build parameters around the word "meaning" and then build a theory once you have this idealization.

He disagrees and follows Wittgenstein, and even in a sense Frege, that you need context before you can elucidate this or that word or concept.

That isnt reddit level unless you think Wittgenstein and Kripke are reddit level, since thats what they spent a great deal of time grappling with.

But maybe you heard that when they were referring to his political work. Politics is difficult so I wont bother saying who is worthwhile and if Chomsky is one of them. I dont know.

[Anonymous No.10535539]

>>10534656
> quotes nietzsche
> tells you to think for yourself
> tilts fedora

[Anonymous No.10536271]

>>10529001
Anyone who agrees with Chomsky is a genuine kiddie-fiddler.

[Anonymous No.10536273]

>>10530944
>dude language is innate lmfao
>dude no, EVERYTHING is innate, including numbers and learning to ride a fucking bike
>dude I literally "hate experiments" and don't test any of my hypotheses
>dude, I describe nothing specifically so it's unfalsifiable lmao

If his views on politics are as "intellectual", he's a fucking charlatan