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What are you currently reading /lit/
>pic related
On page 5 and it's pretty riveting
Brings up some great points

>> No.10415298

>>10415251
i’m gonna ignore the obvious bait from the oh so funny irony leftist and just share:

The World as Will and Representation
Critique of Cynical Reason
Don Quixote
Guttenberg Galaxy
Decline of the West
Chuangzi (again)
The Temple of the Golden Pavilion
Beyond Good and Evil
All the Platonic Dialogues (post-Soc)
Kapital
Phenomenology of Spirit
Philosophy of Right
The Ethics (just starting today)
Pistis Sophia (almost done, just rounding out the mythos building third book)
NT (again)
Fanged Noumena
Valis
Going to start in January:
Gravity’s Rainbow
Critique of Pure Reason
bunch of /sci/ reading list texts (auto-didact or die)
Tractus Logico Philosophicus
OT (want to read NT first again)
Bhagavadgita
Mahabharata
Re-read Man&Technics
Nova Express
The Potrait of the Artist as a Young Man
The Glass Bees
Mein Kampf
Understanding Media
Confessions of a Mask

and this is all tentative

>> No.10415301

This book changed my life. It's the perfect answer to the modern man's propagandized view of socialism. Must read.

>> No.10415315

I used to be /pol/ but after I read it I really turned around on things and realized so much of my life was dedicated to hate at the wrong target
Have been much more at peave and social ever since I read it

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>>10415251
>why socialism works

>> No.10415328

>>10415315
>>10415251
>>10415301
Ah, OP being a faggot, brings back memories.

>> No.10415329

>>10415323
t. brainlet who wasn't read it

>> No.10415330

>>10415298
Honestly kill yourself

>> No.10415334

>>10415330
Rude

>> No.10415336

>>10415251
I wish I was you right now anon, I remember reading it for the first time, it was amazing, the ending was a real surprise

>> No.10415338

>>10415334
S-sorry anon

>> No.10415339

put me in the screencap

>> No.10415341

>>10415329
t. doesn't understand market mechanisms, pareto efficiency, etc.

>> No.10415343

>>10415323
Open your mind to it anon, you fucking right wing nazi, it changed my life

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10415347

Read Cockshott's Towards A New Socialism. It talks about practically organising a planned economy and is one of the best models for actually existing socialism.

>> No.10415348

>15 replies
>3 posters
Holy fuck, please seek help.

>> No.10415351

>>10415343
gimme the basic gestalt

>> No.10415352

>>10415347
get out bookfag this is a r/4chan thread

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>>10415341
>neoclassicals understanding market mechanisms

>> No.10415359

>>10415251
Infinite Jest.

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>>10415348
What?

>> No.10415361
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>>10415355
>socialists understanding the inferiority of human contrivances compared to evolved systems

>> No.10415365

>>10415361
hayek is a nigger faggot

>> No.10415368

>>10415361
Don't post Jews in a favorable light on my board

>> No.10415370

>>10415341
read the book

please

>> No.10415374

>>10415330
what for?

>> No.10415376

>>10415361
Is that even an argument?

>> No.10415379
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10415379

https://www.amazon.com/Why-Socialism-Works-Harrison-Lievesley/dp/1521531218

>This is a comprehensive book on how and why socialism will work, despite your friends saying it has and always will be a failure. Please note this book only contains two words and is entirely satire.

I have been bamboozled.

>> No.10415381

>>10415379
>Look inside

>> No.10415391

>>10415361
>capitalists in charge of history
Planned economies that already existed achieved amazing results considering their technological level and primitive methods of planning. I always enjoy this hypocrisy of pretending the USSR was a total economic failure, and at the same time the biggest historical thread to global capitalism.
In comparison, computerised planning that we could do today would be amazing. Production based on physical units instead of market incentives is within our grasp.

>> No.10415392

>>10415251
ah so it was a bait thread by retards and others pretending to be retarded

so this board is really just a staging ground for mental masturbation and political spats that go nowhere and convince no one.

OP why not make a real thread? or just not post?

>> No.10415397

>>10415251
>mfw my shitposting is turning into a full blown argument

>> No.10415403

>>10415392
Was bored desu

>> No.10415407

>>10415391
>doesn't understand guns versus butter

the Soviet Union was a fucking stagnant shit hole

>> No.10415417

>>10415403
yup...

>> No.10415431

>>10415391
>>10415407
Also, the whole "dude computer socialism lmao" thing still presupposes that the relevant information could be gathered into a single location. Not to mention that wanting to centralize the directing of the entire economy is literally totalitarian.

>> No.10415472

>>10415361
Imagine actually saying this

>> No.10415478

>>10415341
>implying any of that shit matters when you can just use violence to force people to do whatever you want

>> No.10415482

>>10415407
>the Soviet Union was a fucking stagnant shit hole
>recovered on its own after taking the brunt of WW2 and still explored space before the US even thought about it

>> No.10415488

>>10415482
>recovered on its own after taking the brunt of WW2 and still explored space before the US even thought about it

>doesn't understand guns versus butter

butter society > guns society

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10415495

>>10415488
>butter society > guns society
Disagreed

>> No.10415514

>>10415251
>why socialism works
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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>>10415495

>> No.10415528

>>10415514
It doesn't.

>> No.10415547

>>10415528
You need to read the book, it'll u
Open your mind, and expand it

>> No.10415557

HAHAHAHAHA
guys

GUYS

I'm a WAGE SLAVE LMFAO AHAHAHAHAHA

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>>10415431
Leaving aside even the gathering of that information (and what exact information is necessary), I have yet to see a single proposed algorithm for how to use that information.

>> No.10415637

>>10415482
>Loot Nazi V2 rocket factories

WE WUZ ROCKET SCIENTISTS AND SHIT

>> No.10415670

>>10415472
Imagine actually not saying this

>> No.10415677

>>10415391
AHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>10415361
>>10415580
you have good images saved, anon

>> No.10415698

>>10415251
I bet it does make good points in theory, but
>Venezuela
For you(not you specifically anon. :-)) to say "that wasn't real communism to be uttered out of your mouth, you dance on the graves of millions lifeless by communist regimes and you fetishize the future creation of millions of more graves. The person who suggests that the Soviet Union, for example, was not a true communist state, suggests this idea as a warrant to try “true” communism. This person is seduced by the fragrant stench of gamble, the gamble of unobtainable perfection by the fallible man and millions of bodies stacked on one another in mass graves.

>> No.10415704

>>10415482

Yeah but then they ran out of food.

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This'll undo some of the brainwashing you've subjected yourself to.

>> No.10415748

why are COINTELPRO gish galloping their own thread

>> No.10415770

Does anyone else get that the Soviet Union, Mao's China, Pol Pot's Cambodia, and other communist regimes killed almost 100 million people in less that 100 years? That's unfathomable. The crusades amounted to like 1-3 million deaths in 200 years. The majority of communist death wasn't sophisticated technology of war. It was so painful starvation to the point of death. I genuinely don't see how people can even dare to suggest trying communism. They have to be willfully blind or see more millions dead as a good opportunity cost for the sake of communism. I think one of the scariest parts about communism is that men like Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot didn't need a god to kill millions...

>> No.10415792

>>10415298
>reading 17 books at once

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>>10415677
Austrian reactions are the best reactions.

>> No.10416042

>>10415343
How can it change something you never had?
No, no, anon it finally gave you something to live for, where you can see yourself as some enlightened protagonist.
It's a phase we all go through.

>> No.10416055

>>10415251
Just finished up Souls of Black Folk today, still deciding what to read next.

>> No.10416069

The Master and Margarita, 100 pages left

>>10415359
how is it?

>> No.10416356

>>10416069
>The Master and Margarita
Started that yesterday. Only ~70 pages in and I'm loving it already. Probably the most immediately captivating book I've read since Moby-Dick.

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i keep hearing about this book so i though fuck it ill read it

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>>10415347
>practically organising a planned economy

>> No.10416835

>>10415557
>being a slave to the party is better than being a slave to your wage

>> No.10416837

>>10415580
I'm not a communist, so take this as a suggestion not as a counter-argument.

There's a field dedicated to the study this problem: operational research. Operational research has many models and algorithms used to address problems of scheduling and production. One of my professors worked in industry building a simulation model of an entire mining company, including external factors like train schedules, shipping routes, and market prices for mineral ores. The model is used to estimate the probability of future events and compare the outcomes of alternative decisions.

>> No.10417907

>>10416837
If it was possible to model the economy like this, it would have been done long ago. In reality though all our economic models are inaccurate.

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>>10415355
>Varoufakis

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>>10416837
>including external factors like . . . market prices
A planned economy would not have a pricing system; some alternative method would have to exist for you to redistribute goods and services, or it wouldn't be a planned economy. Planning is absolutely essential for a plant or a factory; those are exactly the types of firms where optimized efficiency would be of great importance (produce better goods at faster rates and for lower prices). However, they all depend on those external factors from other market actors (train schedules, shipping routes, mineral prices, etc.). Planning an entire economy means no external factors to account for, but infinitely many internal factors to worry about, therefore vastly different algorithms and models are required.

I encourage you to research what is called "the economic calculation problem" for more on this.

>pic mostly unrelated

>> No.10418696

>>10416837
If we could model the economy there wouldn't be a debate about economic systems. We can't model turbulence and probably never will. We can't model atoms larger than helium. Our math sucks, and the world is infinitely complex. You're delusional.

>> No.10418701

>>10415792
it can be done

>> No.10418784

>>10415355
>posts the guy who designed dota 2 and csgo microtransactions
Oh how i love champagne commies

>> No.10418795

>>10415251
>posting the same bait thread on /b/

Busted, faggot.