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Stagolee !0Pey/QLK3E Sat Aug 14 17:43:23 2010 No.1041220 [Reply] [Original]

If Twilight is as bad as you guys say it is how come it's managed to sell so many copies and people keep buying them?

Not trolling this is a serious question.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 14 17:45:23 2010 No.1041226 If McDonald's is as bad as you guys say it is how come it's managed to sell so many franchises and people keep buying them?

>>	Stagolee !0Pey/QLK3E Sat Aug 14 17:46:23 2010 No.1041229 >>1041226 McDonalds is good are you kidding me have you ever had their french fries?

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 14 17:49:23 2010 No.1041238 File: 88 KB, 520x413, 1268186752207.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1041220 >>1041229

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 14 17:49:23 2010 No.1041236 >>1041229 I think you just demonstrated exactly why the book can be bad and people still buy it.

>>	Stagolee !0Pey/QLK3E Sat Aug 14 17:50:23 2010 No.1041239 >>1041236 So Twilight is good is what you're saying?

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 14 17:51:23 2010 No.1041243 Where else can you get a meal like this for $3.12 (at least with PA tax). McChicken McDouble Large Drink Free smoothie with coupon from large drink.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 14 17:51:23 2010 No.1041245 File: 70 KB, 1024x768, 1268001878215.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1041239 this is fun!

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 14 17:52:23 2010 No.1041246 Don't hate on McDonald's. They have some good shit.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 14 17:53:23 2010 No.1041247 does /lit/ have mods? can i haz mod status on /lit/?

>>	Stagolee !0Pey/QLK3E Sat Aug 14 17:54:23 2010 No.1041249 >>1041243 You can get a happy meal for like one dollar hello it's 2010 people

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 14 17:54:23 2010 No.1041250 >>1041226 >>1041243 Yeah McDonald's is cheap and fast, but in what way is Twilight cheaper/faster than some literary fiction?

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 14 17:54:23 2010 No.1041252 >>1041246 >They have some shit ftfy

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 14 17:56:23 2010 No.1041258 >>1041250 Wow, how uninformed can you be? Does it really take so much explaining? People are retards, so they buy retarded books. /thread

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 14 17:56:23 2010 No.1041260 >>1041243 The point is that the food is terrible, mass-market consumer trash, not that it's cheap. Lots of people enjoy it, or it wouldn't be so successful, but that doesn't mean it's good.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 14 17:56:23 2010 No.1041256 >1 KB, 52x78 >Stagolee !0Pey/QLK3E >not trolling 笑ってるギャル達.pdf.exe

>>	Jerks !!USHZtxsn4gh Sat Aug 14 17:56:23 2010 No.1041255 Dwight MacDonald - Masscult and Midcult. Enjoy!

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 14 17:57:23 2010 No.1041261 File: 41 KB, 361x637, trollan.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Stagolee !0Pey/QLK3E Sat Aug 14 17:57:23 2010 No.1041263 Stephen King is fast food literature according to some people. If Stephey Mey isn't fast food does that mean her books have more quality than Stephen King's?

>>	SGRaaize !!85FwIP2rCSD Sat Aug 14 17:57:23 2010 No.1041265 >>1041250 Its slow to get to the point, actually

Anonymous Sat Aug 14 17:58:23 2010 No.1041266

>>1041220

Twilight has value as a product for millions of consumers. The point that critics make is that this value as a product is based on Mary Sue fantasies and not on the literary quality of the characters ("literary quality" according to their particular critical ear, of course). So while it may be good in the sense that someone can pick it up and enjoy it, it isn't good in that it discourages the read from making really profound or really thoughtful connections.

I mean I haven't read it, so of course I haven't made a judgment, but conflating economic value and cultural relevance with literary quality is pretty foolish. But completely separating them is also equally foolish. It obviously has something to say about the human condition if it's appealing to so many people.

Anonymous Sat Aug 14 17:58:23 2010 No.1041267

The writing is very simple, so people who can't read very well can read it. Remember, a more intellectual newspaper writes at a grade 8 reading level, maybe. Most go for like 3nd or 3rd grade reading levels.

So, people who can't read very well (and 50% of the population in developed countries are functionally illiterate) can read these books.

And the stories mix two major genres of literary escapism, romance novels and fantasy.

It's extremely marketable trash

>>	Stagolee !0Pey/QLK3E Sat Aug 14 18:00:23 2010 No.1041272 >>1041267 Wait can you please tell me why I should listen to someone who criticizes people who can't read then misspells a number placing?

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 14 18:02:23 2010 No.1041273 Argumentum ad populum, Stagolee. Not because it's popular it means it's good. One thing does not have anything to do with the other and it's a logical fallacy to assume otherwise.

Anonymous Sat Aug 14 18:03:23 2010 No.1041275

I read 20 pages and now I am homosex. I'm not kidding. And chicks are like, you should read this if you were like Edward I would bone you.

And I'm like, bitch shut your cunt mouth, you don't know what the fuck you want.

Edward is a smothering creepy ass stalker

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>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 14 18:04:23 2010 No.1041278 >>1041272 >you typoed. You're argument is invalid. I'll pretend you're not just trolling for e-attention. And those are criticisms, they're facts.

>>	Implying !!OwMMiDsuHLo Sat Aug 14 18:04:23 2010 No.1041279 File: 744 KB, 2304x1728, HPIM0603.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >Not trolling this is a serious question. >Nigga, is you seerius.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 14 18:05:23 2010 No.1041281 File: 75 KB, 249x151, gifninja.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1041272

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 14 18:05:23 2010 No.1041282 >>1041220 bible

>>	Stagolee !0Pey/QLK3E Sat Aug 14 18:08:23 2010 No.1041283 File: 824 KB, 249x166, jogo and eric kissing and maybe eric even enjoyed it.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1041281

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 14 18:09:23 2010 No.1041286 The books are popular because the masses are not wellread. The more you read the higher will your demand for quality be. Most people who has read Twilight, and liked it, are people who don`t usually read much.

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Anonymous Sat Aug 14 18:18:23 2010 No.1041308

>>1041267
Since when was simple language a bad thing? Hemingway was praised for it in his time, and Haruki Murakami has made a powerful stance by allowing publishing houses to translate translations to save time.

In the globalized, busy world we live in today and where books are competing with movies and video games -- language is the barrier. Modern literature has to communicate through stories and form, not through fancy word combinations.

Actually, I've read Twilight, it was a bet with a cute girl, and Meyer uses some pretty silly adjectives once in a while. Like "scintillating" and stuff. I'm guessing to evoke the gothic atmosphere she got when she was a teen, reading Wuthering Heights and all that. Argueably that gives it a kind of postmodern quality as it, in many ways, is a pastiche of high culture done in what is easily perceived as low cultural. Not saying Meyer did it on purpose, but it's not vacuum-born. It's an understandable part of contemporary literature.

In any case, I don't have a problem with Twilight even though I can't get anything out of it myself. Probably because I'm a guy. But then on the other hand I don't have any problem with anything.

I mean, the girl I had the bet with remarked that the main character in Murakami's Norwegian Wood had sex with all the female characters, and two of them implied that it was so good they would never have sex again. "What a ridiculous book." I, on the other hand, never thought of it that way, just enjoying the journey. Still, I'll suffice it to say that I am no longer friends with that girl. Nah, I'm kidding. But I don't think she's cute anymore.

>>	Melancholy !.Due65wyfw Sat Aug 14 18:20:23 2010 No.1041314 >>1041308 I FORGOT MY NAME. My tripfag project!

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 14 18:23:23 2010 No.1041320 The Phoenix on the Sword by Robert E Howard. You can find it for free online. I think it is about 20something pages.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 14 18:25:23 2010 No.1041325 its not that bad, its just not that good.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 14 18:28:23 2010 No.1041330 No. Fuck you guys. Twilight is worst ever material. It has the line "his glorious chest" in it. No. No way. Nah.

>>	Stagolee !0Pey/QLK3E Sat Aug 14 18:29:23 2010 No.1041334 >>1041330 That sounds like a line from Homer are you saying Homer is bad?

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 14 18:31:23 2010 No.1041343 I've said it once, and i'l say it again. Shut the fuck up Stagolee.

>>	Stagolee !0Pey/QLK3E Sat Aug 14 18:33:23 2010 No.1041347 File: 6 KB, 181x210, jogo letterman4.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1041343 Why? U mad bro?

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 14 18:35:23 2010 No.1041364 >>1041273

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 14 18:37:23 2010 No.1041371 >>1041334 That's taking things out of context, my nubian brother.

>>	Dr.Kashmir !!pSxx/jI370I Sun Aug 15 00:24:23 2010 No.1042299 bump relevant

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 15 00:28:23 2010 No.1042304 >>1042299 I reported your steam account for aim botting, Dr.Kashmir

>>	Dr.Kashmir !!pSxx/jI370I Sun Aug 15 00:31:23 2010 No.1042312 >>1042304 Why would I steam? Why would I use this name on it? Dr. Kashmir is a suggested name by much nicer and better anons than yourself

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 15 03:41:23 2010 No.1042838 Argumentum ad populum.

Anonymous Sun Aug 15 06:33:23 2010 No.1043129

Its bad because it panders to teenage girls by taking a vampir and making him a faggot. Instead of trying to right good litature the author just gave girls something they will probaly never find in their life time, a guy who has the same emotions as a woman and who actually cares about what they think.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 15 09:08:23 2010 No.1043249 Twilight = bad fanfiction nuff said

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 15 09:10:23 2010 No.1043253 >>1041247 Mods are by invitation only. The best you can hope to be is a janitor. If /lit/ had mods do you think Fagolee would still be here?

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 15 09:22:23 2010 No.1043272 >>1043253 >>1043253 He's been banned before.

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