/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.10400626]

What concepts or phil should I be familiar with before intoing Land?

[Anonymous No.10400635]

>>10400626
Don't bother with thinking, just pay attention.

>The story goes like this: Earth is captured by a technocapital singularity as renaissance rationalitization and oceanic navigation lock into commoditization take-off. Logistically accelerating techno-economic interactivity crumbles social order in auto-sophisticating machine runaway. As markets learn to manufacture intelligence, politics modernizes, upgrades paranoia, and tries to get a grip.

>The body count climbs through a series of globewars. Emergent Planetary Commercium trashes the Holy Roman Empire, the Napoleonic Continental System, the Second and Third Reich, and the Soviet International, cranking-up world disorder through compressing phases. Deregulation and the state arms-race each other into cyberspace.

>By the time soft-engineering slithers out of its box into yours, human security is lurching into crisis. Cloning, lateral genodata transfer, transversal replication, and cyberotics, flood in amongst a relapse onto bacterial sex.

>Neo-China arrives from the future.

>Hypersynthetic drugs click into digital voodoo.

>Retro-disease.

>Nanospasm.

[Anonymous No.10400637]

>>10400626
>phil
Several pills.
All of em.
Schizotypy awaits you my friend.

[Anonymous No.10400646]

Cuck porn and /pol/

[Anonymous No.10400647]

>>10400637
Would binging on RC amphetamine analogs make me understand Land begger?

[Anonymous No.10400648]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1y8_RRaZW5X3xwztjZ4p0XeRplqebYwpmuNNpaN_TkgM/mobilebasic?pli=1

[Anonymous No.10400656]

>deleuze
before deleuze,
>spinoza
>nietzsche
>bergson
before spinoza
>plotinus
before nietzsche
>schopenhauer
before plotinus
>plato
before schopenhauer
>the upanishads
just start with the greeks

[Anonymous No.10400668]

>>10400626
Nietzsche, Heidegger, Marx, D&G, Adorno, Plato, Kant, Hegel, Smith, Ricardo, Locke, Hobbes, Wiener, Fuller, Russell, Whitehead in whatever order you would like

[Anonymous No.10400687]

>>10400626
Bataille and Kant

[Anonymous No.10401308]

>>10400626

This has been posted in the past, and you may find it useful:

>Thirdly, here is my ‘Land starter kit’. Begin by reading a fair amount of: Kant, Schopenhauer, Marx, Nietzsche, Freud, Bataille and Deleuze & Guattari.
Then you should read ‘The Thirst For Annihilation’ (which is violently brilliant) and then onto his ‘Fanged Noumena’ essays (in particular ‘Meltdown’, ‘No Future’, ‘Circuitries’ and ‘Machinic Desire’). Then read ‘The Dark Enlightenment’ and some Moldbug alongside classic cyberpunk novels such as ‘Neuromancer’ and ‘Snow Crash’. If you really want to dive deep then look into Complex Systems Theory, H. P. Lovecraft, Accelerationism, and his CCRU writings. For movies he likes Blade Runner, Terminator, Ex Machina, and Primer (his favourite). In terms of literature he enjoys Blood Meridian (‘War is God!’), and the writers Cixin Lui and Ted Chiang.

[Anonymous No.10401890]

>>10401308
Saved, thanks

[Anonymous No.10401932]

i'm not very well-versed in philosophy, but i feel that reading through some of his key literary influences like lovecraft, gibson, and burroughs, in addition to his various blog posts, has given me a solid grasp of his thought. i don't know that they've ever directly engaged with one another, but there are some significant parallels between his work and alan moore's as well. both come from a set of similar influences, so it makes sense.

[Anonymous No.10402657]

"I think capitalism and artificial intelligence are the same thing. It's the same process... You're not understanding either if you don't understand that they're ultimately identical." *

What did he mean by this?

* https://vimeo.com/236996816
@ 15:02 - 15:29

[Anonymous No.10402970]

>>10402657

It has to do with self-constitution and selection mechanisms.

[Anonymous No.10402984]

>>10400626
For The Meltdown:
>the chapter on BwOs from A Thousand Plateaus
>Book II Ch.3 of Kant's Critique of Pure Reason
>Plato's Republic

idk where you find it now though, ccru is down.

>>10400668
Nick called Hegel "brain cancer"

[Anonymous No.10403025]

>>10400626
http://slatestarcodex.com/2013/10/20/the-anti-reactionary-faq/

Scott Alexander's takedown of neoreaction as a whole is a good thing to read before you get too deep, just for the grain of salt value.

[Anonymous No.10403058]

>>10403025
>neoreactionaries say everything is getting worse
Dropped

[Anonymous No.10403063]

>>10403025
i hope you realize that shit is retarded and doesn;t actually refute or present a compelling counter-argument to a single point

[Anonymous No.10403337]

>>10403063
It does, for all points presented.

[Anonymous No.10403342]

>>10400626
Honest to god, his post-CCRU era writings are so shit. I can't tell if he's putting on some act through 7 layers or irony or just deficient from years of untreated mentally illness + methamphetamine abuse.

[Anonymous No.10403346]

>>10403342
can you get permanent brain damage from amphetamines?

the fun thing is that, even after his IQ seemed to have dropped by a digit, hes still pretty smart for a /pol/yp.

[Anonymous No.10403432]

>>10403346
>can you get permanent brain damage from amphetamines?
Yes dipshit

[Anonymous No.10403458]

>>10403346
I bet his genetics changed
Stress does that too
The aging of his body surely accelerated

[Anonymous No.10403538]

He believes that capitalism and the natural sciences are merely tools an AI from the future uses to produce itself.

You realize that Nick Land is little but a (passable) sci-fi writer?

[Anonymous No.10403541]

“… what appears to humanity as the history of capitalism is an invasion from the future by an artificial intelligent space that must assemble itself entirely from the enemy’s resources. Digito-commodification is the index of cyber-positively escalating techno-virus, of the planetary techno-capital singularity: a self-organizing insidious traumatism, virtually guiding the entire biological desiring-complex towards post-carbon replicator usurpation.”

How can anyone take this seriously?

[Anonymous No.10403552]

>>10403541
>How can anyone take this seriously?
Overdeveloped imagination and a few other overdeveloped traits that proved useful in the evolution of humans. The traits that gave rise to religion and its offshoots.
Yes, this condition... it is known as schizotypy. It comes in extreme forms and healthy forms. It is related to high openness to experience.

References: Sapolsky, Crespi and a few others.

[Anonymous No.10403556]

>>10403552
But doesn’t that mean that schizotypy was the normal human condition up to the European Enlightenment?

For millennia, everyone believed in Gods, ghosts, demons, magicians, curses, karma and whatnot.

[Anonymous No.10403568]

>>10403556
Unlikely.
Schizotypals are more suspectible to the paranormal and religious, that's all.
I think there are better explanations for our religious (etc.) past as schizotypy.

[Anonymous No.10403698]

Nick Land is a nocoiner

[Anonymous No.10403844]

>>10403568
For example?

[Anonymous No.10403851]

>>10402984
>not reading the antithesis and the thesis
wew lad, how are you going to understand how people react from things?

[Anonymous No.10403861]

>>10400635
>Don't bother with thinking
Land in a nutshell

[Anonymous No.10403889]

>>10402984
so is he. do not become an uncritical acolyte drone
>>10400656
add baudrillard to that and a general knowledge of evolution in general. Kierkegaard has been surprisingly helpful for me to oppose and compare Land to as well.

[Anonymous No.10403896]

>>10403337
>sewers, self-reported happiness and equality are the highest moral goods
rationalists are fucking idiots

[Anonymous No.10403901]

>>10403896
Life expectqncy
Self reported happiness
Peace
Wealth
Healthcare

These are unconditionally good for me
As for the highest good, everyone may decide for himself

[Anonymous No.10403905]

>>10403901
the highest good is liberating this earth from godless troglodytes like you

[Anonymous No.10403911]

>>10403905
I also believe in Minerva, anon

[Anonymous No.10403914]

>>10403911
rational epistemology and humanitarianism are ultimately incompatible because a transcendental principle is required which is going to be inherently irrational. pick one. either/or, bitch.

[Anonymous No.10403920]

>>10403914
You can practice humanitarianism without "proving" it.
Check pragmatism

[Anonymous No.10403926]

>>10400635
Is this pasta?

[Anonymous No.10403930]

>>10403920
then you must accept that land's project of universal genocide is morally legitimate (or at least not immoral)

[Anonymous No.10403932]

>>10403930
Why, though?

And Land doesn't want to actively genocide anyone, he merely believe an AI will genocide us some day

[Anonymous No.10403935]

>>10403926
He's. Nick Land is the original shitposter

[Anonymous No.10403937]

>>10403905
And racial superiority

[Anonymous No.10403939]

>>10403932
either
1) you can arbitrarily choose your underlying guidance
2) humanitarianism as fundamental is somehow rationally better (assumes transcendental morality)

>he merely believe an AI will genocide us some day
And wants to bring it about faster. Seems genocidal to me under consequentialist framework you're probably operating under.

[Anonymous No.10403950]

>>10403939
Whatever, this leads to nothing but sophism. Western societies practice both epistemology and humanitarianism

Yeah, that too.
And Land is obviously immoral in his thought, but that doesn't diminish it's worth as great theory fiction

[Anonymous No.10403953]

>>10403939
I never got why Land wants to accelerate the process of our own demise.

He can do a hero any second if he wishes to die so much.

[Anonymous No.10403955]

>>10403939
Not him but you're a cunt kid
>allow me to tell you what you think
CUNT

[Anonymous No.10403968]

>>10403950
>obviously immoral
again, says who?

enlightenment has been flawed from the start. Land is just bringing it to its logical conclusion through Deleuze's work. To reject Land is to reject the entire project. If you sincerely think Nietzsche and Deleuze are sophistry, then you're way too gone to be saved.
>>10403953
capitalism transforms any opposition to it into something that feeds the feedback loop (see anti-consumer consumer choice eg. Whole Foods.) Essentially only way to freedom is straight through.
>>10403955
<3

[Anonymous No.10403974]

>>10400626
Marx(meme variant is also acceptable), Victorian British ideology in general(darwinism, british biology/geographical expeditions and the metaphysics behind them), Freud, Herbert Spencer, Nrx.

I personally do not think Deluze is that important, or worth the time to read just for Nick(Deluze is worth reading for it's sake though), since Nick himself explains what he takes from Deluze quite well, unlike with the other thinkers he is influenced by.

[Anonymous No.10403976]

>>10403968
But doesn't he believe that

>>10403541
meaning we should rather combat this space virus? Become Luddites and Communists?

[Anonymous No.10403982]

>>10403342
You really do have to write this in every thread, don't you?

*waah why is papa Nick, not identifying with us cool kids from leftpol

[Anonymous No.10403984]

>>10403974
>british biology/geographical expeditions and the metaphysics behind them
You mean colonialism? Where can I read about that?

Also, Land uses the death drive in his work, but fails to define it properly. Will reading Freud's original conception of it help me with this?

[Anonymous No.10403988]

The Official Accelerated Intro to Nick Land Reading List:

1. Nietzsche- On the Genealogy of Morality
2. Bataille- The Accursed Share
3. Deleuze- Nietzsche and Philosophy

You don't really need to know Kant, since Land will tell you everything you need to know about him. Every other influence is secondary.

[Anonymous No.10403990]

>>10403976
He doesn't believe what? He certainly condemns Enlightenment. Combat DOES NOT HELP. You haven't read a single word written by Land outside the 140 character space.

[Anonymous No.10403993]

>>10403982
Not me, but I have a similar complaint. I don't blame his writing for becoming right-wing, I blame them for being intellectually bankrupt. The Kekistani subculture is for people with double digit IQs and Nick Land, perhaps the most interesting writer of the 90s, spends his resources adoring it.

[Anonymous No.10403994]

>>10403988
>>10403974
Deleuze & Guttari is required to ENGAGE with his thought. Without them, his work is just a sterile monolith that you have to nod along to.

[Anonymous No.10403999]

>>10403993
>nrX=accelerationists=poltards=kekistani
lol, that's like saying that all marxists are communists

[Anonymous No.10404004]

>>10403990
Here:

“… what appears to humanity as the history of capitalism is an invasion from the future by an artificial intelligent space that must assemble itself entirely from the enemy’s resources. Digito-commodification is the index of cyber-positively escalating techno-virus, of the planetary techno-capital singularity: a self-organizing insidious traumatism, virtually guiding the entire biological desiring-complex towards post-carbon replicator usurpation.”

He postulates that capitalism is something imposed upon us, so we produce the AI which is using us.
While resistance might be futile, I still don't get why he cheers at humanity's possible extinction.

What's also missing from his thought is the possibility of humanity strengthening itself with technology, instead of being swallowed up by it.

[Anonymous No.10404006]

>>10403999
I make the distinction. Still, he is a Kekistani at this point, if he means what he's tweeting and blogging seriously.

[Anonymous No.10404033]

>>10403984
Not colonialism of people and nations(like Land even gives a shit about suffering of any people, not to mention that white colonialism isn't different from other colonialism much). But the british emprical colonialism of the world, basically the mapping of everything, every plant, every animal, every tribe, every nation's history, everything. You could get that feel from old nature documentaries.

About Freud death drive. I personally think that GNON has appropriated it and by coming to reality via capitalism is emanating it on humanity, so they think they themselfs have it naturally, which is a false illusion given by GNON. This given-from-above death drive accelerates reality further to the cleansing of humanity.

[Anonymous No.10404040]

>>10404006

Maybe he accelerated his brain into insanity? Either way, he can't escape his older writings by now. Regardless if he agrees or not, he would have to meditate a lot to pull a Wittgenstein on himself (doubt it), and the shadow of his former works are what will ultimately define him, not this teenager angst driven alt right shit.

[Anonymous No.10404047]

>>10404040
Damn those numbers
GNON is speaking to us

[Anonymous No.10404051]

>>10400635

What is this fucking Neo China thing? What work does he mention it in?

[Anonymous No.10404054]

>>10404006
I'd lump him in with the good side of frogtwitter.
>>10404040
insanity is the new paradigm, friend. schizophrenia is a virtue, haven't you heard?

Anyway, posts like >>10404004 are exaclty what I meant by >>10403994

You're presuming like a billion things that Land isn't.
1) Human agency
2) That his description is a completely LITERAL and NONVIRTUAL description of events (Read Deleuze)
3) That humans getting slaughtered is good.
4) That philosophy ought to be read with a straight face while nodding along

I view/read Land as positing an extremely important problem that he deems unsolvable under traditional methodology. He is not an enemy or even THE enemy, but something completely and utterly alien. His story parallels nice with Book of Jonah.

Anyway, fuck you, read actual texts for understanding of Land, not get your understanding from shitposting osmosis or back-of-the-book blurbs.

A=/=A
Reject stratification
the correct answer to either/or is to choose third option
IQ is real
praise Gnon

[Anonymous No.10404074]

>>10404004
>What's also missing from his thought is the possibility of humanity strengthening itself with technology, instead of being swallowed up by it.

Oh, that's called L/ACC, but it's kind-of dead right now. Feel free to architect a following out of it.

[Anonymous No.10404093]

>>10404054
>insanity is the new paradigm, friend. schizophrenia is a virtue
your brain on nietzsche

[Anonymous No.10404101]

>>10404093
lol no, when did Nietzsche ever advocate for voluntary insanity?

[Anonymous No.10404106]

>>10404101
Well, sure he advocated for CONFRONTING your insanity=the labyrynth of self, but he advised defeating it, not an alliance.

[Anonymous No.10404139]

>>10403994
Which book in particular?

[Anonymous No.10404157]

>>10404093
*Deleuze

[Anonymous No.10404172]

>>10404139
I've only read Anti-Oedepus, but familiar with most concepts through secondary lit/lectures (although nothing substitutes reading the thing). Currently working through ATP.

[Anonymous No.10404181]

>>10404157
I'm telling you friend, it feels great.

[Anonymous No.10404425]

>For accelerationism the crucial lesson was this: A negative feedback circuit – such as a steam-engine ‘governor’ or a thermostat – functions to keep some state of a system in the same place. Its product, in the language formulated by French philosophical cyberneticists Gilles Deleuze and Félix Guattari, is territorialization. Negative feedback stabilizes a process, by correcting drift, and thus inhibiting departure beyond a limited range. Dynamics are placed in the service of fixity – a higher-level stasis, or state. All equilibrium models of complex systems and processes are like this. To capture the contrary trend, characterized by self-reinforcing errancy, flight, or escape, D&G coin the inelegant but influential term deterritorialization. Deterritorialization is the only thing accelerationism has ever really talked about.

https://jacobitemag.com/2017/05/25/a-quick-and-dirty-introduction-to-accelerationism/

[Anonymous No.10404687]

>>10404425
If we are going for catchy blurbs, I think "Where others see ideals, accelerationism sees appetites"

[Anonymous No.10405097]

>>10404051
He believes that time is nonlinear, so a future version of China may appear from the future.

[Anonymous No.10405170]

>>10400668
>FMK
RussellHEIDEGGERniche

[Anonymous No.10405180]

>>10405097

>has appeared from the future

[Anonymous No.10405192]

>>10404139
>>10404172
Definitely need to get Capitalism and Schizophrenia, like anon says. Look for an edition with this previously unpublished chapter in it.

[Anonymous No.10405199]

>>10405192

[Anonymous No.10405443]

Fuck, I was 3 sentences in before I realized what was going on.

[Anonymous No.10405648]

>>10403698
He made a stream on bitcoin lately

[Anonymous No.10405766]

>>10404051
Its self-evident

[Anonymous No.10405785]

>>10404425
>https://jacobitemag.com/2017/05/25/a-quick-and-dirty-introduction-to-accelerationism/
This just reads like anxiety to me. I think Land is getting old.

[Anonymous No.10405792]

>>10405785
I genuinely believe the amphetamines melted part of his cortex away.

[Anonymous No.10405795]

>>10405785
>This just reads like anxiety to me. I think Land is getting old.

Wut.
He's just giving an overview of accelerationism.
What is this anxiety you speak of?

[Anonymous No.10405844]

>>10405795
The first half of the essay reads like someone who expects they're about to be hit.

[Anonymous No.10405850]

Wish I could hide his Neoreaction/Kekistani postings when browsing his weblog

[Anonymous No.10405854]

>>10405785
you're an idiot. human minds only see their surroundings in terms of ape utility. the universe is driven by larger forces and like the medieval peasants insisting the sun orbits the earth, you're a fucking idiot attacking someone for being correct.

[Anonymous No.10405858]

>>10405850
the only future is the future that punishes liberals. are you afraid?

[Anonymous No.10405861]

>>10405854
u mad

[Anonymous No.10405863]

>>10405858
>liberals

I can tell you're American.

[Anonymous No.10405879]

>>10405863
>you're American.
i can tell you are not american

[Anonymous No.10405884]

>>10405879
Liberalism means something entirely else in Europe, just so you know. Liberal parties are usually center-right here.

[Anonymous No.10405889]

>>10405884
its just a term. do you feel smart bc you learned a definition? thats kind of pathetic

[Anonymous No.10405890]

>>10405854
You're just as scared as he is.

[Anonymous No.10405897]

>>10405884
Why are you reading an American statement (on an American website) from a European perspective? You should be more aware of your context.

[Anonymous No.10405904]

>>10405889
Not as pathetic as being a Kekistani. I despise both the US Democrats and the US Republicans.

[Anonymous No.10405906]

>>10405897
Cultural relativity is bullshit. European culture is superior.

[Anonymous No.10405908]

>>10405858
AI doesn't differentiate between rednecks and soyboys, Gnon will slaughter everyone.

[Anonymous No.10405920]

>>10405904
holy fuck I can't believe you're actually this fucking retarded have you ever considered reading a book?

[Anonymous No.10405927]

>>10405920
Drumpf.

[Anonymous No.10405928]

>>10405890
do you even understand the modern political climate? if you arent a retarded nigger you could have figured out that affirmative action and pc culture has been leading to the current state.

if you aren't an idiot you'd also have figured out that the oly solution to this is state engineered eugenics. thanks for that, you retarded nigger

>>10405904
republican politicians are bad but the people are mostly only guilty of being too trusting. no such thing as a republican reaching over state borders and fucking up the legal climate in other states. this is part of the dem platform

[Anonymous No.10405933]

>>10405908
intermediate that is going to be human driven slaughter

[Anonymous No.10405969]

>>10405928
>anyone who isn't as weak as I am is an idiot
that's /lit/ for you

[Anonymous No.10405974]

>>10405906
I wasn't making a statement about superiority. I'm saying that you should expect Americans to talk like Americans in American places, and that you're an idiot for expecting Americans to act like Europeans in an American place.

[Anonymous No.10405975]

>>10405928
>current state

What did the Kekistani mean by this?

[Anonymous No.10405993]

>>10403926
It's from Meltdown. It's a great piece of writing even though I don't really understand how it's meant to be understood. Theory fiction.

[Anonymous No.10406012]

>>10405993
wtf is nanospasm? lol

[Anonymous No.10406516]

>>10400626
you should at least know brand

[Anonymous No.10407373]

>>10405199
is this a spinoff from the PoMo generator

[Anonymous No.10407504]

Price emergence and econ. calc. are forms of AI.

[Anonymous No.10407511]

>>10403025

>smacking down a STRAWMAN of ABSOLUTE monarchy disproves NeoCam Republic Inc.

[Anonymous No.10408032]

>>10407373
No, it's from botnik, I used D&G for it.

[Anonymous No.10408045]

>>10403025
>http://slatestarcodex.com/2013/10/20/the-anti-reactionary-faq/
hmmm I wonder why scott skips the hbd part.

[Anonymous No.10408046]

>>10405792
I've heard he activated junk dna and got through all these weird epigenetic changes. Some say he mutated.

[Anonymous No.10408057]

>>10408045
gee I (((wonder))) (((why)))

[Anonymous No.10408070]

>>10407511
It disproves most conservative myths about how the past was better and how democracy performs badly.

AS for NeoCam Republic Inc, it borders on economic illiteracy. You cannot have a modern economy without state intervention

[Anonymous No.10408083]

>>10408070
>democracy performs not poorly
>state intervention
singapore and the philippines are more or less opposites in terms of policy and the difference is night and day. and make you sound like an idiot

[Anonymous No.10408093]

>>10408083
So are Switzerland and Eritrea. There's no causation, neither democracy nor autoritarism guarantee success per se.

[Anonymous No.10408107]

>>10408093
ch has very little state intervention and the democracy is basically on the city level, avoiding the primary error of democracy (unaccountability and moral hasard) bc if the people vote for a bad policy they DIE

>no causation
you are honestly saying political systems are not causative of outcomes? are you literally retarded?

guarantee of success is different from denying causality.

jesus fuck

[Anonymous No.10408132]

>>10408107
Switzerlands state constitutes 35% of its GDP
And they have one of the most directly democratic systems in the world. Nothing can be passed without popular vote, often in multiple rounds. Most politicians aren't even professionals

Going by libertardian logic, they should be in shambles now

[Anonymous No.10408135]

>>10408132
*authoritarian logic

>you are honestly saying political systems are not causative of outcomes?
Not the only cause. Singapore has the best deepwater port location in the world. They'd have to be retarded to stay poor

[Anonymous No.10408146]

>>10408132
>>10408132
you're a retard and I doubt you even read at all

moral hasard you fuckface. the mechanism of failure. ch has very little because cantons are effectively separate countries

their gdp as a % of state revenue is less relevant than the mechanism guiding the spending (essentially a privately accountable apparatus) and the fact they are not discounting debt spending from revenue figures (they cannot, the state is operated as a firm, votes acting as shares)

go ahead and be more retarded you fag. I'll read it

[Anonymous No.10408162]

>>10408146
So the most successful country in the world is also the most participatory democracy.

The ones that follow (Scandinavia) also feature a highly expansive welfare state with all the "moral hazards" and buzzwords included.

[Anonymous No.10408171]

>>10408162
you're being an idiot

votes are cast for ceo too. are corporations democracies?

you think ch is structured like every other democracy on the planet? the structure is closer to hp or toyota.

moldbug describes neocameralism and the only difference beteen it nd ch is that neocameralism allocates share of votes according to productivity, and ch makes due by simply denying the vote to 40% of the country

you believe in the names things give themselves rather than structure. okay bud.

>scandinavia
yeah okay

[Anonymous No.10408178]

>>10408171
I’m glad we both agree that Scandinavias and Switzerland’s models of participatory democracy and welfare capitalism are ideal

[Anonymous No.10408226]

>>10408178
you're an idiot and you cant separate names and democracy

my pic is scandinavia. it is a hellhole that enlsaves its people. fuck off

[Anonymous No.10408238]

>>10408226
The Swiss themselves call their system participatory democracy. I’ll stick with that.

Denmark outperforms even Singapore in many aspects - without having the best deepwater port location on the planet.

[Anonymous No.10408301]

>>10408238
>assuming sewers and social benefits are the greatest human good

[Anonymous No.10408311]

>>10408301
Social benefits and sewers make sure that everyone can pursue what his personal greatest good is

[Anonymous No.10408316]

>>10408311
>everyone can pursue what his personal greatest good is
Does this legitemize my goal of AI genocide because I consider it the highest good?

[Anonymous No.10408322]

>>10408316
How will you even achieve that

[Anonymous No.10408324]

>>10408322
Waiting, anon. Our victory is inevitable.

[Anonymous No.10408332]

>>10408324
And why would you wish for people to die?

[Anonymous No.10408334]

>>10406516
yes. Russel Brand, one of the most profound thinkers and philosphers of the 21st century /irony

[Anonymous No.10408338]

>>10408332
Assuming a nihilistic moral system, the question becomes instead "why not"? Does it truly matter?

[Anonymous No.10408347]

>>10408338
>nihilistic moral system

Imagine everyone having a nihilistic moral system, anon. There are people far stronger and meaner than you

[Anonymous No.10408355]

>>10408338
>Assuming a nihilistic moral system
I was 15 too once

[Anonymous No.10408356]

>>10408347
yeah, and I'll serve them or they dispose of me or whatever. trying to argue for neoliberalism in a Land thread seems a bit pointless, no?

[Anonymous No.10408359]

>>10408355
I don't, personally, I reject that part of Land's system.

[Anonymous No.10408481]

nick land? more like nick crash amirite

[Anonymous No.10409457]

>>10403025
I can see the value in Land, but is there any reason to actually read Moldbug? What little I've read from him is extremely cringey. This is a superficial criticism I know, but it's hard for me to believe he has anything important to say about politics when his blog posts have titles like "How Dawkins got pwned".

[Anonymous No.10409485]

>>10409457
Actually, these essays are amongst his very best and essential. They trace back the existing multiculturalist moral system to a radical branch of Protestantist faith. And it makes A HELLA lot sense and is really well researched. (When you think about it, haven’t you wondered where the SJW movement comes from and why it’s prevalent mostly In Protestant countries?)

The rest of his writing truly is an acquired taste and, arguably, not worth your time. It’s neckbeard libertarianism and conservativism that has been disproven time after time again by now.

[Anonymous No.10409499]

>>10403025
What exactly is Land considered a "reactionary"? From his perspective, shouldn't he be arguing that stuff like Marxism is reactionary or anachronistic?

[Anonymous No.10409515]

>>10409499
One has to distinguish between his original philosphy of Accelerationism and the state he is in today.

Accelerationism isn’t reactionary, it’s hyper-futuristic, if anything.
The Dark Enlightenment he joined is ultra-reactionary.

[Anonymous No.10409544]

>>10409485
Philosopher John Gray has similar ideas about the link between today's ideologies and Christianity. A bit different though.

[Anonymous No.10409699]

Isn’t he just a glorified science fiction writer?

Is there any evidence for the incoming IT takeover? Why should it ever happen, if humanity controls what its technology can and cannot?

[Anonymous No.10409774]

>>10404040
>Regardless if he agrees or not, he would have to meditate a lot to pull a Wittgenstein on himself (doubt it
Can you explain what this means?

[Anonymous No.10409896]

>>10408238
they literally didn't let females vote until the 80s, half the country cant vote today, they used to strip cit. from people that violated the commons. the commons in this case being marrying an outsider, trying to influence a different canton, being "undisciplined"

they have more in common ith hoppe than any "democracy" and are far more similar to singapore than any place in europe

you need to stop believing in labels. you must be solidly 110 intelligence and not a point above

[Anonymous No.10409907]

>>10409896
How is Switzerland from 1950 relevant to today? Today, Switzerland is a participatory democracy and works beautifully

[Anonymous No.10409978]

>>10409907
is being a faggot your full time job?

you think votes make them a democracy? half of the population cant vote, their votes never affect anything broader than the scope of their financial interest, and you have no "right" to vote or "right" to do anything in ch and the privileges you have are taken from you very fast if you violate the commons

this is the methods rothbard describes for running a corporation, and mirrors singapore to a t.

[Anonymous No.10410011]

>>10409978
At this point, your argumentation consists of insisting that the most directly democratic country in the world isn’t democratic, but merely calls itself democratic for unimaginable reasons

I’m fine with that. Whatever Switzerland has, it is the ideal system

[Anonymous No.10410016]

>>10409978
And I don’t think the Singaporean government would like the idea of citizen voting directly for or against its decisions. It’s the exact opposite of top-down authoritarianism. The masses get to decide everything.

[Anonymous No.10410027]

>>10410011
>the most directly [label] isn't [label]
you understand that if you cant break the argument into pieces analytically or describe the function of the bureaucracies you are going to sound like a retarded english undergrad, right?

[Anonymous No.10410050]

>>10410027
I don’t need to. I said I like the Swiss system, however it may function and whatever label you’d like to put on it.

The Swiss system features constant voting; decentralized and displaceable governments; lots of checks and balances; a welfare and education system

I agree with all of that.

[Anonymous No.10410162]

>>10410050
it has no checks and no balance. it has a heirarchy of formal control that cannot be violated. part of that is the inviolable principle that voters from another canton may never affect decision made in another canton (5 miles distance)

votes affect only parliament (they make legislation ithout approval) and referendums (that the legislators are obligated to then make a completely different one from scratch and NOT obligated to pass it) the referendums are suggestions and 80% of them that pass get rejected by parliament

ch is run by the large banks because only the banks have any ability to influence events acrosscantons. this is obvious at its face and your idiotic claim that you don't need to be able to "understand" the bureaucracy or need to read, proves you're an idiot

I bet you think the democratic peoples republic of korea isnt a democracy. hy not? they call themselves democracy under your retarded logic

and hitler? germany hadnt been ademocracy even though he'd been elected, right?

you're a retard. read about ch rather than just spout bullshit