Why are Americans so resistant to this man? It seems like he just wanted the best for everybody

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Anonymous Sat Dec 9 18:55:17 2017 No.10377531 [Reply] [Original]

Why are Americans so resistant to this man? It seems like he just wanted the best for everybody

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 9 18:56:14 2017 No.10377538 >>10377531 Uh, his stuff doesn't even work because people are naturally greedy.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 9 19:01:04 2017 No.10377554 >>10377538 So people dont like him because they don't want the best for everybody?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 9 19:14:02 2017 No.10377608 >>10377538 Perhaps people can become greedy for the communist revolution, then.

Anonymous Sat Dec 9 19:14:55 2017 No.10377609

>>10377554
It's because it doesn't take human nature in consideration. There are way to many power hungry people, that would abuse the shit of an equality system.
Capitalist system is still one of the most stable systems (even with all it's flaws), because it keeps power hungry people in a hamster wheel.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 9 19:16:21 2017 No.10377615 >>10377531 American was founded on unchallenged classical liberalism until the great depression. Those roots die hard.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 9 19:17:05 2017 No.10377617 >>10377531 >jew >"wants best for everybody" >100 million dead Mmhmm.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 9 19:17:49 2017 No.10377624 Human nature is a fucking spook and every one using that as a critique of Marxism ought to be brained.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 9 19:19:02 2017 No.10377625 >>10377617 Not his fault. If you actually read Marx then you would know he would never agree with what Lenin did to his work. Or was Nietzsche responsible for hitler's concentration camps too?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 9 19:19:13 2017 No.10377626 something something jews something banks 1488 etc

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 9 19:20:57 2017 No.10377629 >>10377538 n i c e m e m e it's true tho

Anonymous Sat Dec 9 19:21:18 2017 No.10377630

>>10377617
>be me
>be John Locke
>write a book
>die
>some time after some other guys read it and set up a government based on my ideas
>after a while one of the heads of state decides that the injuns in the south need to go
>wtf I did the trail of tears now

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 9 19:22:52 2017 No.10377633 >>10377554 Nobody wants what is best for everybody, only what is best for themselves, hence why the leaders of any communist system become geoncidal dictators.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 9 19:23:12 2017 No.10377634 >>10377531 places too much importance to the state

Anonymous Sat Dec 9 19:23:16 2017 No.10377635

>>10377609
Every economic system which lasted for more than 100 years was stable in a certain sense. Human nature isn't a universal, or consistent category, and therefore many different economic systems can be 'best suited' for human nature. The judgement of an economic system relates to but is not principally based on human nature.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 9 19:25:03 2017 No.10377640 >>10377633 >altruism and solidarity don't exist

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 9 19:27:00 2017 No.10377644 File: 11 KB, 238x212, laughing_girls_original.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10377635 >Marxism doesn't take human nature into consideration

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 9 19:27:11 2017 No.10377647 >>10377640 I'd like a full list of the charities you're donating to on a weekly basis. I'll wait.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 9 19:27:11 2017 No.10377648 >>10377630 John Locke is a bad example for the trail of tears. Maybe try imperialism, colonialism, liberalism, empiricism, Darwinism, international trade and finance.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 9 19:27:34 2017 No.10377649 >>10377531 America is a communist country, newfriend.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 9 19:28:51 2017 No.10377652 >>10377644 Can you explain this post in non-meme form? Did you reply to the wrong person?

Anonymous Sat Dec 9 19:32:47 2017 No.10377667

>>10377647
An universal statement is not proven by examples. But it can be refuted by examples. If you're implying that the existence of people that donate to charities is enough to refute your claim, it is refuted since those people do exist.
Also, this is one of the worst arguments I've ever seen, apply yourself.

Anonymous Sat Dec 9 19:34:02 2017 No.10377670

>>10377625
Many of those deaths came at the hands of his fellow jews, like Lenin, who believed they were carrying out the big jew's orders, and would have probably been correct in this assumption. That is more likely than your baseless theory that he would have abhorred such things, a theory makes me think you aren't quite up to speed on the ins and outs of jewish thought and behavior.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 9 19:35:09 2017 No.10377673 >>10377652 He's implying Marx in fact did take human nature into account. I mean, if you think about it, he was an economist and philosopher. If he didn't take human nature into consideration, he probably wouldn't have even made it through school.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 9 19:36:01 2017 No.10377675 >>10377670 Lenin wasn't a jew. And most of the soviet deaths were well after lenin was dead, and included plenty of jews. Stop spreading neonazi lies, stormtard.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 9 19:37:16 2017 No.10377681 >>10377673 I implied the same, to be clear.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 9 19:37:23 2017 No.10377682 >>10377675 Lenin most definitely was a jew, and you are uninformed, as I initially suspected and drew attention to.

Anonymous Sat Dec 9 19:39:33 2017 No.10377691

>>10377682
But that is false. Lenin wasn't a jew neither by nazi nor by jewish standards. He was also born as a christian, given a christian name, and believed in a christian god until his father died and he became an atheist. He didn't have any connection with jews in his entire life, besides his jewish comrades of course which were secular.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 9 19:42:44 2017 No.10377694 >>10377691 >Lenin wasn't a jew Lenin was a jew. We know this. It's a fact. Look it up instead of digging a deeper hole for yourself.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 9 19:44:45 2017 No.10377701 >>10377694 >We know this. It's a fact. Great argument. Repeating lies is not going to make them true, stormtard.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 9 19:45:06 2017 No.10377705 brainwashed by mainstream media and fake news

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 9 19:45:27 2017 No.10377707 >>10377538 Only people who have't read and understood at least one vol of capital use this as an "argument."

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 9 19:46:34 2017 No.10377713 >>10377531 >wants the best for everybody except for that large swathe of society he decided to designate as the bourgeoisie

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 9 19:47:48 2017 No.10377718 >>10377701 This display is pathetic. This is something you could confirm in two seconds. So why are you acting like a baby instead of simply looking up this fact? Are you trying to embarrass yourself on purpose?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 9 19:48:57 2017 No.10377725 >>10377694 You are a very sad person. Probably a jew yourself.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 9 19:50:03 2017 No.10377732 >>10377718 Please, be my guest and prove any of my statements wrong.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 9 19:50:34 2017 No.10377735 >>10377718 You should have posted it here by now desu.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 9 19:53:52 2017 No.10377754 >>10377617 >>10377670 >>10377682 >>10377694 >>10377718 why are you posting your arguments were already summed up here >>10377626

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 9 19:55:19 2017 No.10377757 >>10377531 KEEP YOUR COMMUNISM AWAY FROM MY FUCKING COUNTRY I WANT YOU DEAD COMMIE. COMMIES NEED DEATH

Anonymous Sat Dec 9 19:55:33 2017 No.10377759

>>10377735
That was never my responsibility, but I suppose I should expect a degree of immaturity from jews and jewish sympathizers so I'll be the man here.

http://www.jpost.com/Jewish-World/Jewish-News/Lenins-Jewish-roots-put-on-display-in-Russian-museum

Anonymous Sat Dec 9 20:02:05 2017 No.10377782

>>10377759
Nice of you to post something that confirms everything I posted:

>Lenin’s sister, Anna Ulyanova, claiming that their maternal grandfather was a Jew from the Ukraine who converted to Christianity
A (converted) grandfather makes you non jewish both according to nuremberg and jewish laws, as I claimed. A conversion lenin didn't even know about.

>I am very sorry that the fact of our origin – which I had suspected before – was not known during his lifetime.
As the article confirms, he was not culturally jewish, didn't grow up as a jew, didn't know he had a converted jewish grandparent. He was a christian and later an atheist. Basically didn't have anything to do with judaism during his entire life.

How did he end up in a jewish conspiracy, exactly?

As a bonus, let me quote lenin:
>The same applies to the most oppressed and persecuted nation—the Jews. Jewish national culture is the slogan of the rabbis and the bourgeoisie, the slogan of our enemies.
>Whoever, directly or indirectly, puts forward the slogan of Jewish “national culture” is (whatever his good intentions may be) an enemy of the proletariat, a supporter of all that is outmoded and connected with caste among the Jewish people; he is an accomplice of the rabbis and the bourgeoisie.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 9 20:04:34 2017 No.10377794 >>10377531 Didn't understand Hegel. Into the trash.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 9 20:05:23 2017 No.10377801 >>10377759 Stalin mass murdered Jews and purged them from Russia? Why do you guys hate Stalin then?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 9 20:06:18 2017 No.10377804 >>10377759 L M A O, one maternal Jewish grandparent that converted to Christianity. Is he a fucking Swede because his maternal grandmother was? Shut the fuck up you wanna be nazi loser.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 9 20:08:24 2017 No.10377812 >>10377759 >jewish sympathizers what do you think of this? http://edition.cnn.com/2017/12/06/politics/president-donald-trump-jerusalem/index.html

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 9 20:09:26 2017 No.10377817 >>10377812 Pol is a nest of jew sympathizers.

Anonymous Sat Dec 9 20:12:49 2017 No.10377829

>>10377804
He didn't even know about the conversion. The conspiracy theories of neonazis are always plenty of magical elements, like non-jews or open antisemites leading the conspiracies, or millions of dispersed people supporting different and mutually exclusive shit being part of a coordinated movement. It's because implicitly they treat jews as a genetic hivemind.

Anonymous Sat Dec 9 20:15:42 2017 No.10377839

>>10377782
He's a jew. You must be delusional to still be trying to deny that at this point.

>>10377801
Stalin didn't come until later, after jews had murdered tens of millions of Russians.

>>10377804
Quarter jews are often the most hardcore jewish ideologues of all, like Time Wise today. I recommend looking into how jewishness actually works. It's a unique genetic disease in a way that stays with people even after you'd think it'd be gone.

Anonymous Sat Dec 9 20:18:40 2017 No.10377853

>>10377839
>He's a jew.
Already proven false.

>Stalin didn't come until later, after jews had murdered tens of millions of Russians.
Equally ridiculous claim. Feel free to provide source.

>Quarter jews are often the most hardcore jewish ideologues of all, like Time Wise today. I recommend looking into how jewishness actually works. It's a unique genetic disease in a way that stays with people even after you'd think it'd be gone.
Ah, yes. The magical jewish conspiracy is transmitted genetically, that's why lenin was able to be its leader without even knowing he had a jewish grandparent. Stormfag logic, everyone.

Anonymous Sat Dec 9 20:18:51 2017 No.10377854

>>10377829
>they treat jews as a genetic hivemind.

Jews are a genetic hive mind though. They're so inbred that they're literally 5th cousins of one another. They quite literally share the same genes and descend from the same handful of people after the most recent bottleneck.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 9 20:20:23 2017 No.10377859 >>10377667 So you don't practice what you preach, nice meme, keyboard social justice fag. EYL my dude.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 9 20:20:29 2017 No.10377860 >>10377853 You were proven wrong, the link is right there for everyone to see. Are you trying to flaunt the jewish delusion I'm speaking of? I won't stand in your way...

Anonymous Sat Dec 9 20:22:46 2017 No.10377868
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>>10377854
>They're so inbred
They're so inbred that most of the "jews" in your retarded conspiracies aren't even jews. So inbred they marry non jews just as much as jews.
In any case, the point was that the belief that a conspiracy can be transmitted genetically is beyond retard.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 9 20:23:29 2017 No.10377872 you know who was a jew also? hitler. and kim jong un. trust the jews now? i think not.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 9 20:25:09 2017 No.10377880 >>10377860 Unable to prove your initial claim, and outright ignored the request for a source on your second one. Because you are lying. Sure, I agree, the posts are there for everyone to see.

Anonymous Sat Dec 9 20:26:43 2017 No.10377891

>>10377868
I want everyone to notice the way this jew lies. He was proven wrong about Lenin being jewish, and now he appears to be completely losing it.

This is tribal behavior in its most extreme form you are seeing here. The jew will do anything to defend his tribe. These are a very sick people, they have a genetic sickness.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 9 20:28:29 2017 No.10377910 >>10377891 Come back when you have evidence for your claims. It was a good try, stormnigger.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 9 20:29:27 2017 No.10377917 >>10377891 yes i completely see your point. that jew is just completely delusional. i can't wait to put him in a gas chamber when we overthrow the US gov and install richard spencer as fuhrer

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 9 20:39:18 2017 No.10377960 >>10377910 You embarrassed yourself enormously and forwarded a blatant lie in an attempt to defend your tribe. Truth doesn't matter to the jew, he is purely tribal to the bone.

Anonymous Sat Dec 9 20:41:24 2017 No.10377971

>>10377960
Sure anon. We agreed to let other people judge the discussion.
Now, how about a source on your claim about "tens of millions of Russians" being killed before stalin? Surely you wouldn't lie to push your narrative like those dirty jews, right?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 9 20:45:29 2017 No.10377990 >It seems like he just wanted the best for everybody It seems he didnt have a coherent plan for what would happen after a revolution.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 9 20:47:31 2017 No.10378000 >>10377971 It's not my fault if you don't know the basic chronology of events here, or numbers that have been estimated and reestimated many times over.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 9 20:50:51 2017 No.10378020 >>10378000 Nice cop out. I honestly wonder if you at least admit to yourself that you're lying. Feel free to post a source whenever you want.

Anonymous Sat Dec 9 20:59:36 2017 No.10378061

>>10378020
I already proved to some incessant, delusional jew how Lenin was jewish. I do not need to show that Stalin obtained power after 1917 and that millions of people died because that's information anyone can look up. The way you jews behave in this completely childish and nonsensical fashion is one of the main reasons people are waking up in massive numbers these day. You are a sick, neurotic people.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 9 21:02:58 2017 No.10378068 >>10377531 Because aside from me no American has actually read him. They've only heard about him and hold him accountable for the millions of deaths under Stalin, Mao, and other communist dictators.

Anonymous Sat Dec 9 21:06:39 2017 No.10378081

>>10378061
>I already proved to some incessant, delusional jew how Lenin was jewish.
You didn't. I was objectively right in claiming lenin wasn't jewish under neither nazi nor jewish laws, and that he didn't grow up as a jew. But we agreed that other would judge that.

>I do not need to show that Stalin obtained power after 1917 and that millions of people died because that's information anyone can look up
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you meant lenin. You specifically claimed that "Stalin didn't come until later, after jews had murdered tens of millions of Russians". This is blatantly false, which is why you are trying to move the goalpost unsuccessfully. If this is so obvious, you are wasting both of our time by not providing a simple citation.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 9 21:06:48 2017 No.10378083 >>10378068 They have a sick desire to read and study his ideas despite what they have been used to accomplish, like Hitler, Jesus, Mohamed, the Founding Fathers, and every one ever.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 9 21:07:02 2017 No.10378085 >>10378061 why do feel the need to have safety net to fall back on in any argument you engage in?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 9 21:09:44 2017 No.10378094 >>10377531 Indoctrination and propaganda.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 9 21:14:21 2017 No.10378116 >>10377531 Why are foreigners so resistant to America? We have the strongest military and our entire country is a sanctuary for artistic pleasure. Our heroes are lovable. If you can't stand that, something is wrong with you.

Anonymous Sat Dec 9 21:14:23 2017 No.10378118

>>10378081
The amount of delusion this jew is displaying is pretty remarkable, even to someone like myself, who is highly attuned to jewish delusional thinking.

The truth means nothing to the jew, which is why they will not only frequently deceive others, but also themselves, as we're seeing here. This jew knows he's wrong, it's beyond obvious he's wrong ... but he has to keep up the lie, because he's a jew.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 9 21:15:52 2017 No.10378123 >>10378118 From now on, I'll just reply with >he keeps wasting our time instead of posting a simple source Until you post a source.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 9 21:17:42 2017 No.10378131 >>10378123 >>10377759 You are failing on an unprecedented scale today. It's sad.

Anonymous Sat Dec 9 21:20:37 2017 No.10378137

>>10378131
Are you legitimately retarded? I'm asking for source on the "Stalin didn't come until later, after jews had murdered tens of millions of Russians" claim.
I've already refuted that previous claim (you were kind enough to post an article that confirms both that lenin ancestry wouldn't be considered jewish by nazis or jews and that he didn't grow up as a jew), and we agreed that others would judge who is right. Do you have short memory problems or something?
Let me start again:
>he keeps wasting our time instead of posting a simple source

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 9 21:21:55 2017 No.10378145 >>10378118 Can't wait to count out your coin!

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 9 21:24:46 2017 No.10378155 >>10378061 >genetic hivemind: True >multigenerational world spanning conspiracy: True Everyone who calls you out on weak facts a jew: False

Anonymous Sat Dec 9 21:27:00 2017 No.10378165

>>10378137
The jewish bolshevik revolution occurred in 1917 and Stalin didn't obtain power until 1929. Basic chronology here.

>considered jewish
Just stop, please, I'm almost starting to feel bad for you, jew. He *was* jewish.

Now I understand the jew above is on the very lower end of the scale, but the kind of delusion he displays is actually characteristic of jews, which is why people are trying to get the word out. With the dumb ones, they get it out for you though.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 9 21:30:28 2017 No.10378183 >>10378165 >The jewish bolshevik A neonazi meme. >Stalin didn't obtain power until 1929 Incorrect, but irrelevant. Still waiting for a source on the "Stalin didn't come until later, after jews had murdered tens of millions of Russians" claim.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 9 21:30:40 2017 No.10378184 >>10377990 Indeed he didn't have a plan. He just wrote about what capitalims is.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 9 21:31:42 2017 No.10378191 >>10378165 So do you disagree with the NSDAP's definition of jewery?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 9 21:32:45 2017 No.10378195 File: 156 KB, 1280x914, rafiqpill.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10378165 >The jewish bolshevik ever fucking time

Anonymous Sat Dec 9 21:54:52 2017 No.10378254

>>10378183
>neonazi meme
Neonazi is a fake word, and jews were the leaders of the bolshevik revolution. But how about this, I'll be your source fetch (again) when you admit you were wrong about Lenin not being a jew.

>>10378191
If you're referring to Germany's quarter jew policy, personally, yes.

>>10378195
This is representative of the jewish neurosis I've been referring to. Jewish projection to the hilt.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 9 22:14:14 2017 No.10378325 stop feeding /pol/ retards (You)s, we know they're wrong and you can't convince them so stop giving them chances to shit up threads

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 9 22:16:54 2017 No.10378334 >>10377538 If people are naturally greedy then why do some want communism? Obviously you can't say that of all people.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 9 22:16:58 2017 No.10378336 this is how western civilization goes

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 9 22:17:32 2017 No.10378339 >>10378254 >jews were the leaders of the bolshevik revolution False. >I'll be your source fetch (again) when you admit you were wrong about Lenin not being a jew. I'll gladly admit I was wrong if you were able to prove so. You can't.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 9 22:18:43 2017 No.10378344 >>10377531 >muh marxism Not taking into account the nature of man and you're in for a bad time

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 9 22:20:11 2017 No.10378349 >>10377647 >third party altruism >altruism as an act not a state of mind

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Anonymous Sat Dec 9 22:22:56 2017 No.10378360

There are really people who believe a random Jewish philosopher from the XIXth century holds the answer to all the problems of the 21st century, isn't there?

Why don't you see the same kind of autistic clingering towards, I don't know, Afrikan Spir, I wonder. He has as much relevance to our questions nowadays as Karl Marx.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 9 22:25:23 2017 No.10378368 It didn't take a violent global revolution to facilitate the transition to capitalism and Leninist regimes were objectively shitty. If it's truly the next step for civilization then automation will ease us into it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 9 22:26:41 2017 No.10378375 >>10377531 What's best for everybody isn't what's best for me.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 9 22:52:39 2017 No.10378459 >>10378350 The only real source of those is the second, the rest are either false of hearsay.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 9 22:54:45 2017 No.10378463 >>10377531 If that's what he wants, it isn't what he preaches

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 9 22:57:17 2017 No.10378473 >>10378459 Negative.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 9 22:59:03 2017 No.10378477 >>10378254 >Neonazi is a fake word >I am a National Socialist but I don't accept NSDAP doctrine on Jewishness ???

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 9 23:01:21 2017 No.10378486 File: 18 KB, 532x557, 8c3e34560fe13203c19b2f955f80bfc68ad1b0888994ce1e4df2e84245e44fed.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10377531 >Yes goyim! Why you so resistant to me? Oy vey! Remember the 6 shekelzillion! Da ebil men must be shutted down!

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 9 23:01:46 2017 No.10378489 Marx wouldnt have stood up for the anthem

Anonymous Sat Dec 9 23:01:54 2017 No.10378490

>>10378473
Again no argument. They're literally hearsay. Snyder is legit but if you actually read bloodlands there's no claim of a conspiracy and other nationalities like poles are also very over represented.
But you can see the ethnicity of the relevant people here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Committee_elected_by_the_6th_Congress_of_the_Russian_Social_Democratic_Labour_Party_(Bolsheviks)

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 9 23:09:39 2017 No.10378510 >>10378477 When did I claim I was a national socialist? >>10378490 Until you are able to actually debunk something you need to be quiet.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 9 23:10:10 2017 No.10378514 Nigger. 100th post

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 9 23:11:31 2017 No.10378518 >>10378334 Yeah I can, I just did. They think they want communism but then remember they're greedy.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 9 23:21:23 2017 No.10378546 >>10378510 >Not a NatSoc >Not a Neonazi >Disagrees with NSDAP Jewish policy for being too soft on Jews Oh shit go-- I mean boys, we've got a SUPERNAZI on our hands

Anonymous Sat Dec 9 23:24:06 2017 No.10378553

>>10377531
What, you don't think someone who "wants the best for everybody" can be wrong? The Marxist theory of labor is false. Marx's predictions concerning the progression of societies' organizing toward communism have thusfar been false. Experiments in those in the 19th and 20th centuries have cost humanity millions of lives, not to mention losses of efficiency, learning, and flourishing. Think of everything we could have accomplished if not for this man supposedly "wanting the best for everybody," and then end your life, please.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 9 23:30:21 2017 No.10378573 >>10378334 Because they can't produce a livelihood for themselves thus want to usurp someone else's wealth to subsidize their layabout tendencies. Hence, greed. >I shouldn't have to wagecuck to support myself >gibs me dat

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 9 23:44:00 2017 No.10378612 >>10378573 Why do wealthy as fuck aristocrats such as kropotkin give everything up for their revolutionary ideals?

Anonymous Sun Dec 10 00:00:34 2017 No.10378672

>>10378546
Greentext is true, but jews breed these "super"types, don't they? What I want is what has since time immemorial been normal and natural, has always existed even if not explicitly, and need not be associated with 33-45 Germany. It's ludicrous that jews have not only inserted this bogus kabbalistic word, "not see," into our lexicon, but have up till now gotten away with slandering us with it whenever we express our interests as a people. This is backwards and wrong, and brings to the fore the neuroticism and egotism of this sand tribe.

>>10378553
Yes, but therein lies the reality too many refuse to accept. Jews are tribal schemers, they are not visionaries or benevolent social/economic planners, even if they pretend to be such. Marx was wrong about everything, of course, but he was right about the only thing that mattered, which is why he is praised and lorded in front of us by the jews who have taken over our institutions. And what he was right about was how to take out the European elite so that jews could fill that power vacuum, by convincing this manipulatable industrial class that had recently been formed that *they* were the true leaders ... that *they* were revolutionaries, the righteous owners of a budding utopia. That's all communism was really about. It was jewish method of manipulating people so that they could obtain the rulership they presently enjoy over our societies.

This is what they do: divide. Feminism and minorityism is not different, it's all the same jewish scheme. But don't for a second think they really believe in it, because as soon as it worked in Russia and jews had finally after so many centuries of shtetl preaching about them being the chosen rulers of the earth, what did they do? They genocided up to 60 million members of the Russian underclass. It was a scam from the beginning, and jews are not like us. They are psychopathic murderers who lie and do anything to obtain power.

Anonymous Sun Dec 10 00:05:34 2017 No.10378696

>>10378612
Does kropotkin consider himself a champion of revolution justly due to retain some position or tenure as compensation for some sort of leadership/"helmsman" role in the potential overthrow?
>muh anarchism muh no/minimal government
No such thing, in your minarchist ideal world I'm technically left free to establish trade markets with likeminded people as myself.

Anonymous Sun Dec 10 00:09:09 2017 No.10378703

>>10378696
>Does kropotkin consider himself a champion of revolution justly due to retain some position or tenure as compensation for some sort of leadership/"helmsman" role in the potential overthrow?
No.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Kropotkin

>No such thing, in your minarchist ideal world I'm technically left free to establish trade markets with likeminded people as myself.
Irrelevant to what we are discussing.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 00:14:11 2017 No.10378720 >>10378672 Imagine spending this much time to write an obvious bait text

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 00:15:30 2017 No.10378724 >>10378720 >bait text You're overestimating the retard.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 00:26:32 2017 No.10378761 >>10378720 Aiming for nothing but that fat schnoz of yours, rabbi. Glad you know it.

Anonymous Sun Dec 10 00:56:28 2017 No.10378845

>>10377531
At best, he's an idealist who didn't take into account the consequences of his actions because it seeks to eliminate class warfare by creating "the people" and a ruling government class. Pointing out the failure of Soviet Russia, Cuba, Venezuela, or anything else will just get shot down as "well, that's not REAL communism" or something along those lines.

Anonymous Sun Dec 10 00:58:56 2017 No.10378848

>>10378703
>No
Fantastic, but it only begs my inquiry: what is his plan to deter opportunism? Obviously privation isn't enough to assuage opportunistic endeavor, or you wouldn't have "dirty pig capitalists" "unjustifiably" worth billions in the first place: so it can't be as simple as "if communism meets people's needs then they won't have need or desire for _______". (This may just seem like answering questions with questions but honestly it's all pertinent to an overall perspective of the thing.)

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 01:15:45 2017 No.10378896 >>10378848 To be clear, I'm not defending kropotkin's project of society nor any type communism, I'm arguing that altruistic people do exist, among which are a good amount of communists, which some people in this thread seem to be denying.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 02:24:54 2017 No.10379029 >>10378845 >Marx >idealist You realize Marx's entire ideology is based on materialism?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 04:47:44 2017 No.10379312 File: 59 KB, 901x509, james.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10377531 Americans enjoy eating.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 04:49:59 2017 No.10379316 >>10378349 Nagel pls

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 04:52:00 2017 No.10379318 File: 245 KB, 1080x799, 1481441866960.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] His shit theory was a net negative for humanity.

Anonymous Sun Dec 10 04:58:43 2017 No.10379331

>>10377531
How about because Marx's conception of class was a misappropriation of 19th century European cultural categories for the purpose of an ad-hoc justification of sociological theories assuming a Hegelian/Feuerbachian methodology, and these same cultural categories
were not as prevalent and more subject to change and fluidity in America, compounded by a late spread of his ideas to American academia in an era when overall quality of life had for the average worker had already exceeded a certain standard?

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>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 05:02:15 2017 No.10379338 >>10379029 >You realize Marx's entire ideology is based on materialism? You realize words can have more than one meaning?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 05:15:58 2017 No.10379369 >>10379029 Even without the misinterpretation of what he said, Marx's methodology is equally based in German Idealism as it is in Materialism.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 05:29:15 2017 No.10379392 1. Non-Mengerian Theory of Money. 2. No property. 3. Can't solve economic calc problem. 4. Theory rests on flawed understanding of value; doesn't account for time preference for example.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 05:58:51 2017 No.10379426 >>10377538 >Laws don't work because we're naturally predisposed to commiting crimes u-huh

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 06:41:19 2017 No.10379503 >>10379392 You forgot: >Transformation problem >Okishio's theorem >muh reification

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 06:44:34 2017 No.10379507 >>10377538 greed is a form of fear

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 06:50:12 2017 No.10379519 >>10379392 Schumpeter btfo economic calc problem and he's not even a Marxist Time preference lmao. The worst attempt at an attack on marx

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 07:31:51 2017 No.10379597 >>10377538 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWsx1X8PV_A

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 07:50:02 2017 No.10379636 >>10378118 So you're a jew, right?

Anonymous Sun Dec 10 08:37:10 2017 No.10379744
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>>10378845
>USSR
rose to international superpower status
>Cuba
embargoed by its biggest neighbour and most powerful country on the earth, still managed to survive
>Venezuela
economy collapsed after oil price took a nose dive.
URSS and Venezuela went to shit after their government fucked it up. Russia didn't started the much needed reforms and Venezuela didn't diversified its economy. How is that unique to communism?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 11:17:49 2017 No.10380226 >>10377625 Yes Nietzsche deserves some of the blame. It's because the ideas are bad and putting them in practice leads to innocent people suffering.

Anonymous Sun Dec 10 11:41:53 2017 No.10380317
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>>10377531
The road to hell is littered with good guys with good intentions.

>>10377554
>best for everybody
Oh yeah, Communism has such a wonderful track record of economy, human rights and general prosperity in the past 100 years.

>>10377624
An expected opinion of a filthy collectivist.

Anonymous Sun Dec 10 11:47:44 2017 No.10380338
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>>10377640
Not in people who seek vast control and power over large groups of people.

You should never trust big political leaders or large corporate overlords, they have either selfish or outright malign motives and they will bring suffering if you let them.

>>10377673
I'd say that Karl Marx didn't fucking *understand* human nature, based on how someone had to actually put painstaking effort into interpreting his written work.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 11:57:58 2017 No.10380385 >>10380338 >>I'd say that Karl Marx didn't fucking understand human nature, based on how someone had to actually put painstaking effort into interpreting his written work. >can't read >other guy doesn't know what he's talking about

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 12:00:51 2017 No.10380401 >>10380338 > never let an employer use him as a wage slave. again why is this bad?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 12:02:23 2017 No.10380408 File: 2 KB, 100x200, smug pacman at computer.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10380401 >talks about worker's rights >haven't worked a day in his life

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 12:05:45 2017 No.10380431 >>10380408 he worked. he just wasn't an employee. and you dont have to be a whale to write about whales.

Anonymous Sun Dec 10 12:07:16 2017 No.10380441

>>10377531
His ideas were nonsensical and didn't bear fruit. Those that tried to achieve a worker's revolution at a significant scale, with significant stability, inevitably succumbed to using a collectivist state as a proxy for the proletariat. This state is inevitably forced to impose upon its citizens' freedoms. Free societies where anyone can freely move and work, and patronize whomever they please, naturally fall into hierarchies of ownership.

Star Trek is the only believable Marxist utopia, and only because nothing is scarce and everyone's self-interests are catered by sheer abundance.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 12:07:50 2017 No.10380443 >>10380408 wtf I now prefer feels to reals, based libcuckbro

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 12:09:17 2017 No.10380452 >>10380408 >works every day >doesn't care about workers rights

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 12:12:30 2017 No.10380469 >>10377531 Is it too late to post that communism doesn't work? It's been tried in many countries but has never worked in a single one.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 12:18:56 2017 No.10380492 >>10380441 Star Trek is interesting but there's a lot of things that don't actually work in it. I like the Ferengi a lot because they have actual economy and trade.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 12:26:15 2017 No.10380521 >>10377630 this. you could play this game with almost any old dead smart guy, but for some reason we only do it to Marx. t. not a Marxist, whatever that would even mean

Anonymous Sun Dec 10 12:26:45 2017 No.10380523

I think Marx wrote communism as a utopia that would save people from the problems of his own time. It was a flawed vision, yes, but I don't think he foresaw what the 20th century would make of his ideas.

With that said, I don't think communism as practiced in the past is meant to produce a state with the same conditions as a capitalist one. I'm not saying "not real communism", just maybe that the communist dictatorships were carried out by people who wanted to kill millions, not accrue capital and properties and ownership of anything that will allow them to accrue more capital.

My question is why is it that communist leaders, once thy come to power, just start killing people as fast as they can? Is it the different political and economic organization that causes this? Is this leader installed by hidden operators or political enemies to ruin this country or to cut deals with certain outside private parties? What is it that causes the mind of this leader to always go full genocide on his own people?

Anonymous Sun Dec 10 12:31:14 2017 No.10380546

>>10380523
>I think Marx wrote communism as a utopia
where exactly does Marx write prescriptively about communism? This sentence alone proves that you have never read Marx nor know seemingly the most basic information about him. Your post is pure air and no one who knows anything about the subject read past your first sentence.

Anonymous Sun Dec 10 12:33:28 2017 No.10380556

>>10379426
You know this isn't analagous and you posted it anyway, shame on you.
Communism only works as a voluntary system, as people need to provide based on their abilities even though they will recieve the same as everyone else. Since humans are predisposed to greed, people are going to be dissatisfied with a communist system and will not provide for the public.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 12:35:55 2017 No.10380571 >>10380546 >where exactly does Marx write prescriptively about communism? Read his thesis on Feuerbach, you fucking retard

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 12:36:06 2017 No.10380575 >>10380556 >people need to provide based on their abilities even though they will recieve the same as everyone else are you 12 or something? what do you think santa will bring you in christmas eve?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 12:37:57 2017 No.10380583 >>10380575 Please elaborate

Anonymous Sun Dec 10 12:38:44 2017 No.10380587

>>10380408
1. Karl Marx's works are not preoccupied or largely interested in the worker's right on a pragmatic, down-to-factory-floor style of trade unions and labour unions off the time. They are largely descriptive and dry tomes on political economy, not poverty sociology.
2. Karl Marx's interests lied in the transformation of worker's place in the economic system and their ability to fully gain the benefits of their labour
3. Karl Marx worked a wide variety of jobs as a researcher, journalist, teacher and political organiser and administrator in what was at the time the largest trade union federation in the world. He was prohibited from works that were up to his skill level due to his status as an emigre and a political radical, and while he probably could have found a low ranking bureacrautic or administrative work in London, Engels voluntary saw it more suitable to act as an patron so that he could focus on his core strengths.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 12:39:14 2017 No.10380591 >>10380583 I don't want to talk with kids.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 12:42:47 2017 No.10380601 >>10380591 Damn, you got me there.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 12:43:13 2017 No.10380606 >>10377538 >people are naturally greedy. people's "human nature" changes based on their environment mate

Anonymous Sun Dec 10 12:44:34 2017 No.10380613

>>10380571
you are completely retarded if you have read Marx and think he has anything to say specifically about communism other than it is the stage after capitalism. This is like Marx 101. Yes, in the theses he outlines the need for philosophers to change the world and his materialism is proof of his belief that he believes communism will happen, but where exactly does he prescribe a utopian vision of communism versus his real project of criticizing capitalism on theoretic grounds?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 12:46:06 2017 No.10380621 >>10380606 It's hard for a capitalist to think outside his capitalist box

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 12:47:30 2017 No.10380626 >>10380613 The Manifesto?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 12:48:27 2017 No.10380632 >>10380626 have you read it??? Do it now, is short.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 12:49:41 2017 No.10380644 >>10377649 america is fascism perfectly cloaked under the facade of democracy

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 12:50:25 2017 No.10380649 >>10380632 Was I right? Cause if so, then I don't have to.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 12:50:29 2017 No.10380650 >>10380626 you mean the document where no vision for utopian communism is written about but rather an analysis of capitalism? Why'd you put a question mark at the end of your response like you're not completely sure of what you're putting forth?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 12:51:43 2017 No.10380656 all commies must die..... IF you believe communism will work anywhere you are delusional. KYS COMMIES. YOU ARE IN FOR STARVATION.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 12:52:00 2017 No.10380660 >>10380649 No, you are not. It barely described socialism and communism as other than economic system with social ownership of capital rather than private one of the current one. Bulk of the manifesto is critique of capitalism and its ills.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 12:52:07 2017 No.10380661 >>10380650 >Why'd you put a question mark at the end of your response like you're not completely sure of what you're putting forth? Because I wasn't completely sure of what I was putting forth.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 12:52:45 2017 No.10380665 >>10380644 hoe how is america facist at all? where is the dictator? Who is the sole man running all of this? Competition is what drives life you ninny

ReactionaryModernist !YyPan9VsVc Sun Dec 10 12:53:03 2017 No.10380668

Dialectical materialism failed to make any useful predictions.

Marx became popular in the first place because he purported to present a scientific theory of history.

He failed and now his proponents engage in cargo-cult ideology. Really as bad as Nazi larpers who think they can export an ideology crafted for ethnic Germans in the 1930s. Almost worse because Nazis were at least defeated in war before the contradictions in their ideology could fully come to fruition.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 12:54:16 2017 No.10380672 >>10380661 so are Marx's theses on Feurebach the only thing you've read by him? those ten bullet points?

Anonymous Sun Dec 10 12:56:01 2017 No.10380678

>>10380665
looks at the perpetual wars, and how business profits and influences both "opposed" parties. The nation is sublime and peace through violence its vision. And it is all conditioned in society that its citizens truly believe they are in control of the system. It is a fascists wet dream.

>>	ReactionaryModernist !YyPan9VsVc Sun Dec 10 12:58:03 2017 No.10380686 >>10380668 btw no one will reply to this post with anything substantive

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 12:58:43 2017 No.10380691 >>10380644 maybe if you're using D&G's meme definition of fascism. Expand your mind: https://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2012/01/kiss-stalin-was-feeling-extremely-gay.html

Anonymous Sun Dec 10 12:59:02 2017 No.10380695

>>10380678
okay.... but... .again....... who is in control? Who is the dictator?
We are a democracy, we do not have a say in the government, or what we do is of little say, but this is not controlled by one person. There are a ton of people with their hands in on america. This country is not fascist in the slightest . WE ARE FREE.

Anonymous Sun Dec 10 12:59:03 2017 No.10380696

>>10380668
I'd say a main difference between Nazilarpers and "dem dam commies" is that the Nazis are actually still Nazis after their ideology did what it did and was defeated and yet want to bring Nazism onto the political stage again for a repeat, and the commies are anyone who has interest in reading Marx.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 13:00:48 2017 No.10380705 >>10380695 something fishy about this post

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 13:01:50 2017 No.10380711 >>10380672 I haven't even read that. That was some other anon. I'm the one that made that original big post, the one you didn't read past the first sentence. I just figured I'd pick up his responses because you didn't want to talk to me.

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Anonymous Sun Dec 10 13:09:55 2017 No.10380749

Socialism inevitably encourages a complacent and self-entitled population. This is the mark of death for an individual, population, and species.

I live in Canada and it's pathetic how people confuse social benefits that exist solely because of our social history and trajectory with some inherent universal principle.

I have two sons and the only thing I hope I can instil within them is a sense of competition, a survival instinct, and an edge. I don't want them to turn into what many MIllennials have embodied: a rampant sense of self-entitlement and complete disconnect from the natural world.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 13:09:57 2017 No.10380750 >>10380695 A fascist oligarchy then?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 13:11:02 2017 No.10380755 >>10377531 Most never read him, because if they did, they would see that America essentially achieved full communism after WWII.

>>	ReactionaryModernist !YyPan9VsVc Sun Dec 10 13:13:20 2017 No.10380770 >>10380696 Because Chomsky, Zinn, and other mainstream leftists never made apologies for marxist influenced atrocities right?

>>	ReactionaryModernist !YyPan9VsVc Sun Dec 10 13:15:46 2017 No.10380779 >>10380696 And to your other point, Communism was defeated as surely as Nazism. Communism was only more successful because it was universalist rather than particular.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 13:17:05 2017 No.10380786 >>10380770 Idk I never read those hacks, but if they did that's not the same thing as starting a party, arming themselves, and banging on the doors of parliament, is it?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 13:17:33 2017 No.10380790 >>10380779 >more successful because it was universalist rather than particular this is the dumbest thing ive read today of course, it was posted by a tripfag

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 13:19:04 2017 No.10380801 >>10380779 I don't give a shit about that point. You would. I just needed perhaps a better way of saying Nazism (and communism, to be absolutely fair) ran its course or whatever.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 13:19:26 2017 No.10380803 >>10380644 Imperialism =/= fascism

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 13:19:54 2017 No.10380806 >>10380705 nothing fishy heere just AN AMERICAN MAN WHO LOVES THEIR GOD DAMN COUNTRY >>10380750 where is the fascism name it fuck face

>>	ReactionaryModernist !YyPan9VsVc Sun Dec 10 13:19:57 2017 No.10380807 >>10380790 If it was dumb you could explain why without resorting to memes.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 13:20:40 2017 No.10380818 >>10380523 > What is it that causes the mind of this leader to always go full genocide on his own people? In Russia with jews it was about them literally not being their own people.

>>	ReactionaryModernist !YyPan9VsVc Sun Dec 10 13:21:40 2017 No.10380822 >>10380678 This is the perfect sort of hackneyed dialog you'd expect from someone influenced by Marxism. Explain exactly how this is different from ranting about the jews.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 13:22:15 2017 No.10380829 this thread shows clearly how most of the critics of Marx or Freud came by people that never actually read them.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 13:24:34 2017 No.10380838 >>10380818 So the reds were redpilled?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 13:27:27 2017 No.10380853 >>10380838 No it was the jews who were doing the killing.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 13:28:45 2017 No.10380862 >>10380755 t. the average republican voter

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 13:29:16 2017 No.10380866 >>10380829 reading is for gays and losers

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 13:32:39 2017 No.10380887 >>10380853 What was their endgame? Because it was western capitalists who picked at the bones of the Soviet Union after it fell.

>>	ReactionaryModernist !YyPan9VsVc Sun Dec 10 13:35:15 2017 No.10380894 >>10380829 This thread shows that people like you can never address substantive criticisms, only whine "you don't understaaaand".

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 13:35:27 2017 No.10380898 >>10380806 I think one of the key feature of oligarchy is that the oligarchs are hidden from the public. Lke there's no Fortune magazines top oligarchs of the year or anything.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 13:36:18 2017 No.10380908 >>10380887 OT genocide. But nah dude, those weren't "capitalists" they jews as well, jews like Marc Rich.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 13:36:27 2017 No.10380909 >>10380887 It was mostly jewish oligarchs, how about you actually read about Russia in the 90s.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 13:38:54 2017 No.10380922 >>10380803 This is true, for instance, Communists were some of the biggest imperialists of the 20th century.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 13:41:10 2017 No.10380934 https://isteve.blogspot.com/2013/06/marc-rich.html?m=1

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 13:43:24 2017 No.10380958 File: 128 KB, 485x333, buffet.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10380894 >substantive criticisms I woud have to educate you dense faggots first.

>>	ReactionaryModernist !YyPan9VsVc Sun Dec 10 13:47:58 2017 No.10380980 >>10380958 So where's the reply?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 13:51:02 2017 No.10380995 >>10380644 America is far from fascist. Their minorities are spoiled and paraded by the government. The white man suffers at the hands of them.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 13:56:49 2017 No.10381031 >>10380644 America is more quasi-socialist at this point, at least Federally.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 14:11:51 2017 No.10381104 >>10381031 What is socialism?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 15:02:05 2017 No.10381306 >>10377531 >It seems like he just wanted the best for everybody He raped his 11 year old maid and then kicked her and his bastard son out of his house.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 15:04:18 2017 No.10381317 >>10380898 That's a stupid and wrong thing to think.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 15:04:39 2017 No.10381318 >>10380613 Like I said, read his thesis on Feuerbach

Anonymous Sun Dec 10 15:34:11 2017 No.10381467

>>10380521
> but for some reason we only do it to Marx.
because Marx's ideas are a dangerous attack to the status quo.
also to disprove them you need to actually read 2k+ pages and that is a nono
notice how 99% of the online critiques to marxism are pretty much Red Scare level
>he never worked lmao
>study econom 101 lmao
>muh 100 gorillion

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 15:37:52 2017 No.10381481 >>10381467 > Marx's ideas are a dangerous attack to the status quo. Haha. 70 years ago maybe, but those Marxist jews are the status quo now.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 15:39:04 2017 No.10381486 >>10381306 Where can i read of this account?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 15:39:50 2017 No.10381494 File: 29 KB, 500x532, laughing crystal skull.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10381467 >because Marx's ideas are a dangerous attack to the status quo

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 15:45:05 2017 No.10381509 File: 432 KB, 1280x853, uhhh.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10380665 >where is the dictator? Who is the sole man running all of this? please don't tell me you think americans' vote matter

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 15:45:27 2017 No.10381511 >>10381481 >IT'S DA JOOS Thanks for the contribution. Yes, wanting to end private property is dangerous to the status quo.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 15:48:02 2017 No.10381518 >>10381511 It's also dangerous to anyone and everyone.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 15:50:13 2017 No.10381524 >>10381518 I don't disagree with that.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 15:52:51 2017 No.10381537 >>10381511 What do you think it will feel like when you realize you are the biggest pawn of the system you believe you're fighting?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 15:59:33 2017 No.10381563 >>10381537 What do you think it will feel like when you realize that you've been brainwashed in a chinese cartoon forum because you're too dumb to understand a complex world where jews are not the answer to everything?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 15:59:58 2017 No.10381568 I hate socialists of all flavors and kinds, even the nationlist ones.

Anonymous Sun Dec 10 16:01:32 2017 No.10381575

The two Red Scares. The first happened after WW1 and the second after WW2. The creation of the Soviet Union made any socialist movement in the US extremely unpopular and people began to distrust anything associated with radical leftism. That said socialism did have some popularity when not called socialism which Upton Sinclair learned.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 16:03:52 2017 No.10381585 >>10381563 Look at this poor slave doing the work of his enemies with no awareness of it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 16:05:29 2017 No.10381593 >>10381585 >responds with sectish brainwashing

Anonymous Sun Dec 10 16:34:25 2017 No.10381738

>>10381481
>>10381494
He's correct you know. The right has to deny the real power structure because they are interested in preserving it. This is why their leaders throw them for a loop, and it is why they happily oblige in following their lead. This is why their side of the argument (this thread for example) amounts to nothing more than trolling.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 16:41:50 2017 No.10381772 >>10381738 The people itt talking about the power structure and their desire to bring it down are on the right.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 16:43:33 2017 No.10381781 Daily reminder that Marx was a libertarian

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 16:44:04 2017 No.10381784 >>10381772 replacing rich jew with rich whites doesnt change the power structure at all

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 16:45:10 2017 No.10381789 >>10381781 daily reminder that Kantbot isn't funny and his meme'ing is only going to become more stale in the next year

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 16:45:54 2017 No.10381793 >>10381784 Except it did just that.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 16:46:48 2017 No.10381800 >>10381793 how

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 16:47:22 2017 No.10381802 >>10381781 marx was anarcho-nixonist with guatarrian characteristics

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 16:49:00 2017 No.10381811 >>10381802 finally someone who knows their shit

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 16:50:08 2017 No.10381819 >>10381800 The white elite has been replaced by a jewish elite.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 16:52:09 2017 No.10381825 >>10381802 Feel free to elaborate on this >>10381789 Who? Marx was a great admirer of Adam Smith and is ideologically libertarian, his realpolitik just takes a different approach to political libertarianism.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 16:52:32 2017 No.10381829 >>10381819 Let me guess, your source is a /pol/ infograph.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 16:52:50 2017 No.10381832 >>10381819 and labor is still alienated. nothing changed structurally.

Anonymous Sun Dec 10 16:57:10 2017 No.10381855

>>10381819
no it hasn't at all, there is no data that backs this up. unsourced /pol/ charts from 2014 that mix and match, bait and switch different data inputs are not tenable. Please provide 3rd party research from forensic financial investigators or literally sincerely kys

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 16:57:29 2017 No.10381858 >>10381832 A lot has changed, and "labor" is more viciously attacked than ever, with jobs being sent overseas and displacement-level immigration.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 16:58:49 2017 No.10381867 >>10381855 It's not even a question.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 16:59:12 2017 No.10381870 >>10381819 So you're not interested in the power structure the racial identity of those who control it?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 17:00:18 2017 No.10381879 >>10381867 >believes shit with no evidence but considers it an unquestionable truth [brainwashing intensifies]

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 17:04:07 2017 No.10381898 >>10381870 The power structure, as in the institutions through which power is wielded, is not the problem.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 17:05:10 2017 No.10381902 >>10381879 The evidence is superabundant.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 17:06:10 2017 No.10381908 Socialism doesn't work. Marxism doesn't work. Communism doesn't work.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 17:07:12 2017 No.10381911 >>10381902 Present it. >inb4 infographs

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 17:12:02 2017 No.10381940 >>10381911 Learn how to use the internet you nigger-brained fool.

Anonymous Sun Dec 10 17:13:51 2017 No.10381946

>>10381858
>"labor" is more viciously attacked than ever
in what way? striking coal miners used to be moved down by pinkertons.
>ith jobs being sent overseas and displacement-level immigration.
Capitalists requiring cheaper labor due to falling rates of profit is nothing new exactly. Slave trade ring a bell?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 17:14:02 2017 No.10381948 >>10381940 >no evidence As expected. Keep on fighting the lizard people anon, you're our only hope.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 17:17:27 2017 No.10381960 I guess the real question we should be asking ourselves is why do the people who run the world hate Jews and want them eliminated?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 17:21:10 2017 No.10381978 >>10381946 >in what way? In the ways mentioned, their very livelihoods are under attack. The new elite is hostile to those below them because they are a different race. However bad you think it was before there was at least a sense of noblesse oblige.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 17:25:12 2017 No.10381994 >>10381978 >workers used to work 16 hours per day, die in their twenties and get killed during strikes >but they are actually worse off now because of my imaginary cabal of reptilians You really opened my eyes.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 17:28:59 2017 No.10382014 >>10381994 >exceptions were the standard Dishonesty will not make you wiser.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 17:33:17 2017 No.10382035 >>10382014 >exceptions Read about the prevailing conditions during the industrial revolution.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 17:41:54 2017 No.10382072 >>10382035 No one is saying anything was perfect but who was it that reformed the conditions you're railing against?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 17:49:21 2017 No.10382102 >>10379744 >economy collapsed after oil price took a nose dive Yeah, so did Houston in the 1980s, but there weren't shortages of food and toilet paper, nor massive clashes with police.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 17:50:10 2017 No.10382106 >>10382072 Usually the reformist left (the french revolution / popular front in france, new dealers in usa, etc.) along with unions. I don't see your point.

Anonymous Sun Dec 10 18:01:20 2017 No.10382145

>>be me
>>be ameriburger
>>be "capitalism gives most people the most chance at equality and success"

>>millions around the world slave away for pennies manufacturing useless crap to satiate our decadent lifestyles just so they can accumulate the bare minimum resources necessary for their survival, sometimes getting bombed and invaded by us

>>muh "it's basic economics, dumb commies! REEEEE"

Anonymous Sun Dec 10 18:02:40 2017 No.10382153

>>10382106
No, white people, and in particular the white ruling class. Get your head out of all this abstract ideology based on flawed notions that people are all the same, it's blinding you to the reality that they are not, and do not share the same interests.

Anonymous Sun Dec 10 18:04:58 2017 No.10382164
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>>10382102
>comparing the world hegemonic superpower at peak form with a south american country whose gdp is reliant almost in its entirety on oil export
yeah I'm sure it's socialism fault, anon

Anonymous Sun Dec 10 18:10:24 2017 No.10382196

>>10382153
Generally speaking white people along with non white people on the left supported legislation favoring labor laws. Other white people along with other non white people on the right opposed such legislation. There was no racial divide in labor laws, you're just twisting observations to fit the preconceived worldview you've been fed.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 18:14:32 2017 No.10382216 >>10377891 Lenin wasn't Jewish . His great great great great grandmother was like a quarter. Almost everyone in Europe has Jewish blood in them. They have been living together for 2000 years.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 18:18:15 2017 No.10382236 >>10382153 >>10382196 Also, while we're at it, leon blum, who introduced the right to strike, collective bargaining, paid annual leave, 40 hour workweeks, and raised wages in france was one of the evil jewish lizardpeople.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 18:19:24 2017 No.10382245 >>10382196 What? That was a time when everyone was white minus the unimportant negro contingent. You are choosing to view things in abstract terms so you're failing to grasp what's most important.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 18:22:00 2017 No.10382260 >>10382236 So you're jewish. Makes sense now.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 18:26:57 2017 No.10382276 >>10382145 Sounds like someone is mad they're working for pennies to support my decadent lifestyle.

Anonymous Sun Dec 10 18:29:10 2017 No.10382293

>>10382245
>That was a time when everyone was white minus the unimportant negro contingent
Are you actually retarded?
I've already given a counterexample in my previous post. If you look at for example the 8 hour labor day, it was proposed by marx (the most evil of the lizardjews), adopted by the marxist workingmen's party in the US, and fought by both black and white working people.
While, of course, being opposed by other whites, blacks, and jews. The world is not so simple, anon.

>>10382260
Great deduction work and comeback.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 18:32:16 2017 No.10382301 File: 60 KB, 960x960, international socialism.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 18:36:36 2017 No.10382311 File: 156 KB, 1079x789, Screenshot_2017-12-10-17-32-16-1.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10382293 Nope. >Great deduction work Really puts non-truths and spin like the above into context, I know.

Anonymous Sun Dec 10 18:46:23 2017 No.10382348

>>10382311
>Nope.
Yep.
Marx proposed fighting for an 8 hours labor day, which marxist parties did, which helped it become a reality. I didn't say he invented the notion of an 8 hour day labor day. And my argument is that different individuals of different races support and oppose labors laws depending on their ideology, which you are confirming.
More:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1892_New_Orleans_general_strike

>Really puts non-truths and spin like the above into context, I know.
So, what truth did I spin about leon blum that made me a lizardjew? Was it not a government that involved multiple ethnic groups and passed labor laws?

Anonymous Sun Dec 10 19:05:45 2017 No.10382436

>>10382348
So a white guy made a proposal to better his society and a jew appropriated it and used it for revolutionary purposes that had disastrous effects and ultimately benefited his own people. That's the point here: it's not really about ideology, it's about people working for their own interests. The interests of whites is different than those of jews, which is why the new jewish elite is not working in the interests of whites. It's also why you lied, you're defending your own from people like me. But the issue then as now is that these are not your societies, and you have no business meddling in them.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 19:15:37 2017 No.10382488 File: 59 KB, 531x531, marx-facepalm.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10382348 >Marx proposed fighting for an 8 hours labor day

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 19:19:22 2017 No.10382511 >>10382436 >new jewish elite where are my forensic finance charts anon? where are my numbers, figures, graphs and ideology.jpg's? I want it now or i'm gonna ask as many times as necessary and shit up the entire thread

Anonymous Sun Dec 10 19:23:12 2017 No.10382541

>>10382436
>So a white guy made a proposal to better his society and a jew appropriated it and used it for revolutionary purposes that had disastrous effects and ultimately benefited his own people
Completely retarded. Wherever marxism was adopted by democratic parties that fought for labor laws, working people from all ethnic groups benefited. Whenever it was adopted by power hungry dictators, working people from all ethnic groups were hurt. In all of those cases, people of every ethnic group were represented in each of the opposing movements.

>the new jewish elite
Which you still haven't proven.

>It's also why you lied, you're defending your own from people like me.
Everything that contradicts you is a lizardjew defending his people, making your beliefs unfalsifiable. Your beliefs are totalitarian because they incorporate a way to dismiss any refutation of them. This makes them un-empirical and metaphysical. Marxism has the same problem, which led to their adherents being fanatic nutjobs. Maybe one day you'll understand this.

Also, I'm still waiting an explanation on how leon blum's labor laws aren't a counterexample.

>>10382488
He did in das kapital. Of course, not as his ultimate goal.

Anonymous Sun Dec 10 19:26:00 2017 No.10382556

>>10382488
>>10382541
Also:
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1866/08/instructions.htm
>Written: by Marx at the end of August 1866;
>A preliminary condition, without which all further attempts at improvement and emancipation must prove abortive, is the limitation of the working day.
>It is needed to restore the health and physical energies of the working class, that is, the great body of every nation, as well as to secure them the possibility of intellectual development, sociable intercourse, social and political action.
>We propose 8 hours work as the legal limit of the working day.

Anonymous Sun Dec 10 19:48:55 2017 No.10382666

>>10382511
If I believed you were genuine, I might play along, but this is information that is known and widely available. From the Forbes list to media ownership to the biggest NGO funds and on down the line, jews are using these institutions as ethnic rackets. There's no secret about it either.

>Whenever it was adopted
You mean whenever it was adopted in white countries by white people and white leaders? That's what I thought.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 19:51:16 2017 No.10382675 >>10377531 We are still caught in a cold war, hope imperialism falls in the following tw decades

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 20:04:00 2017 No.10382728 >>10377538 human beings can be molded into pretty much any shape imaginable

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 20:08:33 2017 No.10382752 >>10382556 >>10377691 >>10378672 >>10380587 THIS IS WHY AMERICA NEEDS TO BE GREAT AGAIN, FUCKING COMMIES THEY SHOULD BE ALL KILLED REEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Anonymous Sun Dec 10 20:10:19 2017 No.10382760

>>10382666
>If I believed you were genuine, I might play along, but this is information that is known and widely available. From the Forbes list to media ownership to the biggest NGO funds and on down the line, jews are using these institutions as ethnic rackets. There's no secret about it either.
Not me, but I'll reply anyway.
Whites are overrepresented among the world's richest people (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_World%27s_Billionaires#2017, 6 and a half in the top 10), is it a conspiracy or the result of a historical development? And how are jews the "new elite" if they are overrepresented but still a minority? Also, what would you say if the underrepresentation of blacks was presented as an anti black conspiracy by blacks? The fact is that people like zuckerberg (as much as I despise him) and ellison are self made billionaires, not the result of some spooky conspiracy.
As for the media, jews were historically banned from a lot of jobs which ended with them being overrepresented in certain sectors, although the overrepresentation is vastly exaggerated by /pol/. Ironically, most of the antisemitic complains are self inflicted. Not to say there isn't nepotism also.

>You mean whenever it was adopted in white countries by white people and white leaders? That's what I thought.
But I already proved this false. Labor laws were fought for and against by people of all ethnicities and adopted by people of different ethnicities. How am I wrong, exactly?

Anonymous Sun Dec 10 20:20:35 2017 No.10382799

>>10382760
Notice the tactics the jew uses to minimize his people's negative influence, the diversions and distractions he goes into. Again, tribal behavior in action. You're seeing it right here.

>historically banned
Same justifications for it too. "Oh whites didn't want us running their information distribution platforms so we're justified in stacking them with jews once we're in the door."

This is why they have to go, why they've been kicked out so many times. They're dishonest, nepotistic, tribal people who lash out whenever anyone questions them.

Anonymous Sun Dec 10 20:31:05 2017 No.10382851
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Maybe he should've started with providing the best for his family instead of leeching off his wife and his friend, shaming his family, being a grub and mistreating his maid and son just so he could sook about factory owners like his mate that he leeched off.

Pic related.

Anonymous Sun Dec 10 20:31:41 2017 No.10382853

>>10382799
>no arguments
>starts sperging about how everyone that disagrees with him is a jew
Just as a protip, the vast majority of the world is not jewish while also not believing there is a jewish conspiracy. And most somewhat educated people will be able to challenge most of your claims. You'll have to learn to use arguments to convince those people, and calling them jews is not one.

And yes, banning a group of people from certain jobs will end up with them being overrepresented in others, I don't see how this is such a ridiculous claim. It's like complaining about carpenter cagots in the XVIII century. But, again, if it was a ridiculous explanation the correct way to refute it would be to use arguments.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 20:38:01 2017 No.10382874 So what are some good books for critiquing Capitalism and what are some good books for it?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 20:42:01 2017 No.10382886 >>10382488 https://therealmovement.wordpress.com

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 20:44:03 2017 No.10382892 >>10382851 >when you realize Peterson stole his catchphrase from Bastiat

Anonymous Sun Dec 10 20:44:07 2017 No.10382894

>>10382853
I have no lack of arguments, but am reluctant to waste them on jews who keep trying to change the argument up to get it off of jews.

>jewish conspiracy
Who said that? I didn't. Jews do conspire, but they also pursue their tribal interests effectively. Just as they, like you're doing now, constantly play the victim and pretend they're incapable of wrongdoing. But what it boils down to is this: you don't have the right to think you do. You are just a guest, one that has overstayed his welcome and had a net negative effect.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 20:46:38 2017 No.10382903 >>10382874 read this thread desu

Anonymous Sun Dec 10 20:50:21 2017 No.10382918

>>10382894
>I have no lack of arguments, but am reluctant to waste them on jews who keep trying to change the argument up to get it off of jews.
How convenient. Then you don't have arguments as far as this discussion is concerned.

>Who said that? I didn't. Jews do conspire
Are you schizophrenic?

>but they also pursue their tribal interests effectively
Unproven.

>like you're doing now, constantly play the victim and pretend they're incapable of wrongdoing
Now you're hallucinating shit. Jews are just as capable of wrongdoing as anyone else, and I didn't say the opposite. Not as a hivemind though.

>But what it boils down to is this: you don't have the right to think you do. You are just a guest, one that has overstayed his welcome and had a net negative effect.
More calling everyone who disagrees with you jews instead of using arguments. Interesting how you are willing to waste your time calling me a jew but not using arguments, it's almost as if those arguments didn't actually exist.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 20:55:47 2017 No.10382948 >>10382903 I stopped because of the jew arguments, I didn't see any recommendations

Anonymous Sun Dec 10 21:01:09 2017 No.10382980

>>10382918
I have been schooling you in this discussion from the beginning, pointing out your deceptions and diversions, and using you as a primary example of the greater problem. You're upset because I made a correct assessment about you being a dishonest jew and thus chose to not jump through some of the more arbitrary hoops you laid out to sidetrack and get me working for you.

>Not as a hivemind
If that were so I wouldn't have heard every jewish talking point of yours a hundred times. You are an interloper, an unwelcome guest in the non-Israel country you currently reside in. And you have to go.

Anonymous Sun Dec 10 21:07:57 2017 No.10383022

>>10382948
I wouldn't waste my time with Das Kapital, it's an outdated and dry giant book with plenty of bullshit.
Pro: Capitalism and Freedom
Against: 23 Things They Don't Tell You About Capitalism
Both are kinda meme books, and the second book is not an anti-system book (if that's what you wanted) but they should do the job.
Sorry for feeding the /pol/tard.

>>10382980
>I have been schooling you in this discussion from the beginning
I'm happy that you can declare yourself the victor of the discussion anon, congratulations.

>If that were so I wouldn't have heard every jewish talking point of yours a hundred times.
You would if they were legitimate rebuttals that separate (educated) individuals would come to. But I know you're part of a sect with an unfalsifiable conspiracy theory and reject such a possibility a priori. I have heard your talking points a million times too btw, you're just repeating basic neonazi propaganda.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 21:12:53 2017 No.10383038 File: 273 KB, 793x794, mcgas.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] All I want is to be left alone working as a cook and building/buying/trading automatic weapons in my free time with nobody telling me I can't.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 21:13:35 2017 No.10383040 >>10377531 >Jonestown >North Korea >Cuba >USSR >Vietnam Yes Communism is a great great flawless system it is something that definitely works and isn't silly idealism that will always lead to failure and suffering

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 21:15:41 2017 No.10383050 File: 386 KB, 800x600, socialism (2).png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10383040 You forgot Cambodia.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 21:17:48 2017 No.10383058 >>10383050 what about all those European countries like Sweden and Norway where they have free health care and huge quality of life for everyone? Aren't those socialist?

Anonymous Sun Dec 10 21:21:27 2017 No.10383070

>>10383022
>conspiracy theory
>neonazi
It just doesn't work anymore, jew. The goyim know and no amount of spin will stop that process from continuing on until your people are removed again. I don't want you to seek internal reform, which I know you're incapable of anyway, but I know somewhere in the back of your mind you realize that this theme of your history stems from you and you alone. It's a lesson you cannot learn on your own, which is why so many in the past have had to force it on you.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 21:22:01 2017 No.10383073 >>10383050 >economic freedom on par with South Korea South Korea was extremely interventionist during its economic miracle.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 21:23:18 2017 No.10383084 >>10383070 >The goyim know That's the thing, the goyim doesn't know and you're not providing any arguments to make me know.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 21:30:43 2017 No.10383113 >>10383084 I'm always eager to inform, but you can't behave like you did and start making demands, then expect others to be forthright with you and jump through a bunch of arbitrary hoops to please you. That's not how this works.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 21:31:54 2017 No.10383116 >>10383113 Yeah, I know it was foolish to expect evidence from neonazis.

Anonymous Sun Dec 10 21:33:41 2017 No.10383131
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>>10383058
As a Swede I will tell you that the quality of life has dropped like a rock in the past 20 years

>huge immigration flood, there was already a shortage of housing and jobs, but in most recent years we've taken in yet more and more immigrants, meaning we're taking in lots of people who have no place to live and no place to work, hardly fair to them, hardly fair to us
>all these immigrants (and now native swedes), have no option but to live at home or at refugee compounds (where lots of abuse and rape happens), and live on social security
>crime has absolutely skyrocketed because there's now lots of displaced and out of place people who have nothing to do and any attempt to try to integrate them into society is met with accusations of racism
>police stopped reporting rape statistics because they were accused of being racist
>Sweden is the only country in Europe where *grenade attacks* is a common feature of crime, and grenades are stupid cheap and easy to obtain on the black market, averaging less than $2 a piece
>there's entire ghettos which are "no-go zones", where police and emergency services refuse to go because they will be attacked with at best rocks and firebombs, at worst the previously mentioned grenades
>regular health services and mental health services are understaffed and overburdened beyond belief, because there's not enough personnel and resources to handle all these people, and they're in themselves a continued net drain because they have no way to sustain themselves but social security
>you might have to wait 18mths to get an appointment with a psych and that's if you regularly call to bother them, otherwise they will hope you forgot and just quietly pretend you don't exist
>there's not even 20k cops in the entire country, many places have response times measured in hours, and the private ownership of weapons for the purpose of self-defense is 100% illegal, more-over self-defense is treated with extreme prejudice by police and if they think they can get you for something, even if you were just trying to defend yourself and your property, they will try their hardest
>courts are beyond surreal in their treatment of criminals, the most infamous serial rapist in modern history got 14 years and served 9, he's let out despite the fact that psych said he was at an extreme risk for relapse, rapists and murderers are commonly given absurdly light treatments (brutal child rape is commonly met with a 4 year sentence, which they probably will not serve fully), on the other hand, courts love to shit on anyone caught with illegal drugs, this is the only crime they seem to care about

Not bullshitting about grenade attacks:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_grenade_attacks_in_Sweden
https://qz.com/886244/open-borders-and-vintage-balkan-hand-grenades-are-being-blamed-for-a-crime-wave-in-sweden/
If you think Sweden is some sort of paradise, you're a delusional Bernout, socialism has failed Sweden.

Anonymous Sun Dec 10 21:36:31 2017 No.10383148

>>10383131
>>Sweden is the only country in Europe where *grenade attacks* is a common feature of crime, and grenades are stupid cheap and easy to obtain on the black market, averaging less than $2 a piece

fucking christ. Where are they getting these grenades? They're expensive to produce.

Anonymous Sun Dec 10 21:38:24 2017 No.10383155
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>>10382164
>yeah I'm sure it's socialism fault
I told you it would always come down to "that's not real socialism/communism". Even the "mainstream" U.S. newspapers linked price-fixed toilet paper to socialism.

Anonymous Sun Dec 10 21:38:49 2017 No.10383156
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>>10383148
Black market surplus from the dissolution of Yugoslavia, remember that huge war that happened in the 90's, with all the civil war and genocide?

Man, Socialism sure turned out well for Yugoslavia too!

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 21:42:06 2017 No.10383167 >>10383131 It's more of a political failure than an economic failure though, as in the economic policies are not unsustainable by themselves. Social democracies should just be less ideological tbqh.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 21:42:33 2017 No.10383169 File: 117 KB, 618x269, ct3miekvaaajwsi.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10383131 Sweden is learning to become multicultural.

Anonymous Sun Dec 10 21:59:00 2017 No.10383216

>>10383050
>>10383058
Both Economic Freedom Indexes are more of a neoliberal just-so story than a legitimate metric. For instance, the US and Canada are tied at 7.94, Norway has a comparable index of 7.67, and Mexico, which has far less regulations and worker's protections than any of those is at 6.79.

When studying correlations in economics it's better to use quantifiable metrics like GDP per capita, exports and imports, goverment spending as a percentage of GDP, Gini coefficient...

Anonymous Sun Dec 10 22:04:38 2017 No.10383235

>>10383167
>as in the economic policies are not unsustainable by themselves
You're fucking deluding yourself if you think our economy is going to hold up at this rate, we are heading at an economic crisis in a near future.

The entire country is a housing scam propped up by socialist measures.

>>10383169
Go suckstart a Kampfpistole you sad socialist fuck, neetsocks would only continue doing damage.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 22:05:38 2017 No.10383237 >>10383022 Hey thanks for the recs dude, I appreciate it

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 22:07:58 2017 No.10383247 >>10383235 Why are you counter-signaling someone drawing attention to the jews who have done this to your country, in particular Barbara Lerner Spectre?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 22:10:37 2017 No.10383261 File: 90 KB, 612x612, if your first instinct on seeing this is to shout 'centrist' then you're a brainlet.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10383247 Just because she's my enemy doesn't make you my friend.

Anonymous Sun Dec 10 22:13:14 2017 No.10383272

>>10383235
>You're fucking deluding yourself if you think our economy is going to hold up at this rate, we are heading at an economic crisis in a near future.
According to your posts, it would be due to incorrect political policies (migratory issues) and not the impossibility of maintaining the social democrat state (if the migratory policies were to be corrected). Or are you saying that the system wouldn't be sustainable regardless?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 22:16:46 2017 No.10383290 >>10383272 I'm more saying that such action will not be taken until it's too late and we're already in ruin. The elite will make sure of this.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 22:18:14 2017 No.10383300 >>10383261 Embrace your white brothers, stupid fuck. And you wonder why it's been so easy for these jews to make Sweden the test tube of their European destruction program?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 22:19:00 2017 No.10383304 >>10383290 Then the problem is political and a less ideological social democracy could work.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 22:20:45 2017 No.10383313 >>10383300 >my socialism will be better than their socialism Not a good pitch, shit for brains. >>10383304 >social democracy could work Given it's results here, I'm not that keen on seeing more of it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 22:21:51 2017 No.10383321 >>10383313 Nothing I've said has anything to do with socialism.

Anonymous Sun Dec 10 22:25:05 2017 No.10383342

>>10377624

Very dumb post by a very dumb person. And no, the category does not somehow "vanish" by just philosophically scratching its surface. It goes on being the case that when deprived of air, water or food for respective, sufficiently long periods of time, human beings die, in addition to other probabalistic statements which may validly be made about human beings in general. The confluence of such unimpeachable statements, together with observation, leads to a series of conclusions that humans behave in such-and-such a way. Putting all of this together, leads to human nature.

Human nature is an actually existent phenomenon, and category of inquiry, which Chomsky correctly defended, in general terms, in the first part of his famous discussion with Foucault, while Foucault lost that part of their exchange (he would win the second part) by just going "no because Marx." You are literally as dumb as Richard Seymour, here, who commits the same idiocy as you've just done: http://www.leninology.co.uk/2017/04/against-nature_13.html?m=1

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 22:26:12 2017 No.10383347 >>10383321 Oh, so it's >muh race! instead! Worked out fucking great in >Yugoslavia >Cambodia >Ukraine >Germany >Congo >Rhodesia/Zimbabwe I have no love for racial supremacists, you're shit to me like any other collectivist troglodyte filth.

Anonymous Sun Dec 10 22:27:40 2017 No.10383353

>>10383313
>Given it's results here, I'm not that keen on seeing more of it.
Because you conflate politics and economics. If the only problem with social democracy in sweden is its immigration problem, it is easy to solve by adopting more restrictive policies. Of course, if those policies are associated with retarded neonazis like the other anon, a small adjusment becomes almost impossible. I'm sure a social democratic movement with little tweaks can arise from moderate people.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 22:30:20 2017 No.10383364 >>10383347 The independent nature of the northern European, displayed wonderfully by this Swedeposter here, is precisely what collectivist jews is using against us. So swell work, Swedeguy, way to play right into it.

Anonymous Sun Dec 10 22:38:58 2017 No.10383390

>>10383353
>Because you conflate politics and economics
You're delusional if you think they aren't intrinsically related.

Politics are largely about controlling economics.
A new social democrat party will lead to another house of cards like this.

>>10383364
>abloobloobloo jews
Think further than your religious belief system.

Anonymous Sun Dec 10 22:45:44 2017 No.10383416

>>10383390
>You're delusional if you think they aren't intrinsically related.
There's no logical reason a social democratic state with more moderate immigration policy couldn't exist. I know they are related in practice, but they aren't related logically. It's an arbitrary relation through ideology. I'm going to sleep, swedefriend, good luck.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 22:52:10 2017 No.10383436 >>10377531 >WHY IS SCIENCE SO RESISTANT TO FREUD Because Freud and Marx were deluded jews with good intentions but brainlet solutions.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 23:26:09 2017 No.10383526 Anyone blaming a body of people for their troubles needs to grow a pair.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 23:28:58 2017 No.10383534 >>10383526 >we're all individualists, goy!

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 23:31:53 2017 No.10383542 File: 143 KB, 971x869, OW.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10383534 You're a sorry excuse for a lifeform.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 23:41:37 2017 No.10383576 File: 145 KB, 675x1200, 536c12009d9e5ce65d74bcbbb43b1af19e1139e9053eeb3a54eb72e670f0defb.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10383542

Anonymous Mon Dec 11 00:04:01 2017 No.10383627
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>>10383576
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lists_of_American_Jews

Look at all these masterminds of pure malevolence who have never contributed to anything ruining muh country!

http://2045.com/
https://www.nature.com/news/the-printed-organs-coming-to-a-body-near-you-1.17320
https://www.economist.com/news/science-and-technology/21715638-how-build-organs-scratch
https://www.space.com/spaceflight
https://www.virtualreality-news.net/

Look at these totally unremarkable scientific developments occurring in muh western culture being forced into stagnation and decline by global-sized malevolence!

https://www.netflix.com/
http://www.imdb.com/search/title?year=2017&title_type=feature&
http://www.allgamesdelta.net/
http://store.steampowered.com/
https://www.artstation.com/
http://www.infectedbyart.com/

Look at all these totally unadmirable and unartistic undertakings totally not enjoyed by millions being created in muh dying culture!

WE ARE ON THE PRECIPICE OF EXTINCTION! WE MUST PUT A STOP TO THE MENACE!

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 00:23:55 2017 No.10383689 ^^^^^neurotic jew

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 02:57:55 2017 No.10384154 >>10378349 >"I hope everything turns out great for everybody" >Contributes nothing to the cause w e w

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 04:28:30 2017 No.10384343 >>10377531 >he just wanted the best for everybody >the best >for everybody >"Hey guys lets kill the rich and middle class and take all their stuff xD xD " Uhhh....

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 07:10:50 2017 No.10384671 >>10383155 how is this relevant to my point "falling oil prices aren't socialism fault"? Also your "criticism" fall under the 'muh 100 gorillion category.

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