/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.10358526]

Hey bucko /pol/ now hates Jordan Peterson so you can stop posting him 24-7 okay? Also this nigger really doesn't get postmodernism.

[Anonymous No.10358528]

>>10358526
but we don't like him either, retard

[Anonymous No.10358530]

>>10358526
Why does /pol/ dislike him? Did he say he's part Jewish or something?

[Anonymous No.10358532]

Ethnonationalists BTFO

Based JP

[Anonymous No.10358543]

>>10358530
He call them raycis and kick faith goofy out of free speech talk because she's a nazi

[Anonymous No.10358544]

>>10358530
he said that being proud because of your race is a crutch used by people who can't accomplish something worth being proud of

[Anonymous No.10358551]

>>10358544
I wanna snuggle Velma

[Anonymous No.10358553]

>>10358526
He's stupid as fuck. All aesthetics over substance, as brainlets usually do.

[Anonymous No.10358564]

>>10358544
seems spot on. he might be the biggest meme intellectual since sam harris, but I guess even a broken clock tells the time twice a day.

[Anonymous No.10358566]

>>10358553
Aesthetics > austistic intellectual theorizing

[Anonymous No.10358570]

>>10358564
it would be spot on if it wasn't a complete strawman of what white nationalists/identitarians actually believe

[Anonymous No.10358574]

>>10358570
the same goes for culture and nationality, you know.

[Anonymous No.10358581]

>>10358564
>being proud because of your race is a crutch used by people who can't accomplish something worth being proud of

>I'm proud of my grandfather, he was a great man.
>You've made it! I'm so proud of you.
But remember, being proud of achievements other than your own is for losers!

[Anonymous No.10358590]

>>10358566
t. brainlet

[Anonymous No.10358602]

>>10358581
>my grandfather was primarily defined by his whiteness or cultural background and not his myriad of individualistic traits
Doesn't sound like much to be proud of no.

[Anonymous No.10358604]

>>10358574
what?
i'm saying its a strawman because it's not simply whites being proud of their ethnicity or "melanin levels"
it's whites not wanting to become an ethnocultural minority in their own homelands surrounded by third world animals with average IQ's in the 70's.(IQ and race is something Peterson acknowledges btw)

[Anonymous No.10358607]

>>10358590
aesthetics are the prime virtue. there's no point in seeking knowledge if it wasn't aesthetic

[Anonymous No.10358608]

>>10358526
>now
I thought they always did since he was never a deluded far right retard?

[Anonymous No.10358610]

>>10358604
>it's whites not wanting to become an ethnocultural minority in their own homelands surrounded by third world animals with average IQ's in the 70's.(IQ and race is something Peterson acknowledges btw)
so why not make it "it's about smart people not wanting to become a minority in their own country surrounded by stupid animals with average IQ's in the 70s"? why even drag race into it, unless you deny the existence of smart blacks and stupid whites

[Anonymous No.10358612]

>>10358543
>faith goofy
literally who?

[Anonymous No.10358613]

>>10358590
>>10358590
You literally can't point out a difference between
>being proud of an achievement of your family member or friend
>being proud of achivements of your countrymen
Who's the brainlet here?

>>10358602
>my grandfather was primarily defined by his whiteness or cultural background and not his myriad of individualistic traits
What? Who said that?

[Anonymous No.10358624]

>>10358613
If your proud of your grandfather as an individual does not lead to being proud of your race. One could say both things are unrelated, considering there were plenty of horrible white people as of any other race during the 20th century, the time your grandfather lived in.

[Anonymous No.10358625]

>>10358608
THEY loved him because he wouldn't call TRANNIES BY what ever they wanted. That's how he got famous.

[Anonymous No.10358628]

>>10358613
>What? Who said that?
You implied it by implying that your grandfather was at all relevant to my statement

[Anonymous No.10358631]

>>10358612
Faith goldy

[Anonymous No.10358636]

>>10358610
>so why not make it "it's about smart people not wanting to become a minority in their own country surrounded by stupid animals with average IQ's in the 70s"? why even drag race into it, unless you deny the existence of smart blacks and stupid whites

It's the
>well, this one black man is pretty smart, so I guess check-mate you racist
Except that there is a myriad of statistics to show that race and criminality, collectivist viewpoints and low IQ are extremely correlated (half of violent crime in the US is commited by 7% of the population that is black men). The exceptional black professor is literally not an argument (anecdotes are not valid arguments)

[Anonymous No.10358643]

>>10358625
So they had no clue what he is actually on about and the anti-Peterson troupe that formed to spite /pol/ was based on something completely false.

[Anonymous No.10358644]

>>10358636
I still don't get it dude, why is the correlation relevant? if the low iq is the problem, why not handle it directly? unless you're a racist what's the point in making a distinction between a stupid white person and a stupid black person just because the stupid black person is more common? you didn't answer my question, I never denied the correlation

[Anonymous No.10358645]

>>10358624
>>10358628
By accepting that you CAN be proud of achievements of your family/friends you accept that you CAN be proud of achievements other than your own.

Shared pride acts as social glue to increase the cohesion of a group - be it a family, a nation, fans of a sports team, or literally any other group.
Why is it OK to be proud of your mother or LA Lakers, but not your race?

[Anonymous No.10358646]

>>10358636
The whole problem comes from the fact that A) collectivism only seems to be such a huge problem for Americans, the rest of the world (and I mean THE REST of the world) seems willing to adopt some degree of restriction "for the greater good", in many different ways and for many different reasons. Also, criminality is something that exists in homogeneous population, but the kind of gang related insanity the US goes through only seems to exist in America. Even in Africa and the Middle East the situation is completely different, it's caused by political instability, not by typical retarded government "planning". The biggest threat to the US is itself, no population in the world is as dull and dim-witted as the average american.

[Anonymous No.10358655]

>>10358613
>>>10358590 #
>>>10358590 #
>You literally can't point out a difference between
>>being proud of an achievement of your family member or friend
>>being proud of achivements of your countrymen
>Who's the brainlet here?

LOLWHAT

[Anonymous No.10358656]

>>10358645
If you don't see the difference between being proud of a a grandfather and some 600 year old cunt from another country I must assume you barely even understand the difference between "pride" and "admiration".

I admire both James Baldwin and Samuel Beckett and I'm neither black or irish, let alone "proud of being" either.

[Anonymous No.10358658]

>>10358645
And it was never the point that you can't be proud of something other than your own achievements, it's that, specifically, taking pride and defining yourself on something so arbitrary and broad is only for really weak people with no accomplishments of their own

[Anonymous No.10358660]

>>10358636
>that shade of difference between Canad and US
ayyy must be all the niggers

[Anonymous No.10358661]

This thread is full of retards beyond possible

[Anonymous No.10358669]

>>10358644
He's also ignoring the social and economic factors that account for WHY Africa is in the red and China is purple. This does not interest these people. This, to him, is better explained by biological and cultural differences.

[Anonymous No.10358671]

>>10358643
All I know is they liked him because he was defending free speech and pissing off liberals. CANADA was passing some bill that made it a hate crime to not call a tranny by their preferred pronoun and Peterson was saying that goes against free speech. Pol always loved the guy. It was /lit who questioned him and most didn't like him. Pol loved him until about 2 weeks ago when he didn't let faith talk then he said some shit on Twitter like "listen bucko its Dr Peterson to you" blah blah your racists.

[Anonymous No.10358672]

>>10358636
how do they have NK stats?

[Anonymous No.10358673]

>>10358644
>if the low iq is the problem, why not handle it directly?
There are more problems. Even the whites with low IQ don't commit as much crime as blacks.
Also blacks are FAR more likely to support increasing state control and surveillence (gun confiscation, speech censorship) than whites.

I'm not making a distinction between a white criminal and a black criminal - they deserve punishment all alike - just saying that blacks AS A WHOLE (or ON AVERAGE) are a detriment to society. Exceptional individuals exist but they don't change the trends.

[Anonymous No.10358677]

>>10358526
He's just a memefaggot who likes to take advantage from the internet, as if he has discovered a new little game.

Pathetic.

[Anonymous No.10358684]

we need a /yootoober/ and /self-help/ board.

also the faggot mods and janitors should stop spending their lives buggering the living daylights out of each other and actually enforce board rules.

[Anonymous No.10358689]

>>10358684
This.

Jordan Memerson has NOTHING to do with literature or philosophy. Nothing.

[Anonymous No.10358694]

>>10358656
>If you don't see the difference between being proud of a a grandfather and some 600 year old cunt from another country I must assume you barely even understand the difference between "pride" and "admiration".
So if I say that I "admire" the white race instead of being "proud of it" will you shut up?

> taking pride and defining yourself on something so arbitrary and broad is only for really weak people with no accomplishments of their own
I'd say, and the history of humankind agrees, that nationality is a BIG part of one's self-identity. Countless people have died for it, countless works of literature written about it.
If it's OK to be proud of one's nation, to feel a deep sense of belonging to it - why not one's race?

[Anonymous No.10358709]

>>10358631
>Goldy is a Christian, of the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church
Dropped.

[Anonymous No.10358712]

>>10358694
If nationality is such a big part in the construciton of one's identity how come can I admire Spinoza and Kant without being neither jewish, dutch, portuguese, german, lutheran or even white by most of /pol/'s conceptions? If you want to say you admire "people of the white race" it becomes rather arbitrary considering there's plenty of non-white people all over history who should be admired for the same reason.

Just admit you're butthurt about blacks dating white chicks on TV and get on with your life, I highly doubt someone with hot opinions like yours has that much of a social life to lose anyway.

[Anonymous No.10358730]

>>10358712
>you can NOT be proud of your nationality because there are admirable people of all nationalities
Wow, have anyone ever been so stupid?
Tell that to millions of people who gave up their lives for their countries, to billions who celebrate national holidays and cheer on their nations' teams during tournaments.

National pride is very natural to humans. Racial pride is demonised because "muh nazis" and literally no other reason.

[Anonymous No.10358735]

>>10358673
Why do you have to pull the white collar blacks into this? Can't you just hate hoodniggas and hood culture?

[Anonymous No.10358739]

>>10358730
How the fuck can national pride be natural when "nations" as we understand today are about 300 years old. This is your problem, you always turn history into your little curiosity shop then get mad when reality doesn't fit your fantasy.

[Anonymous No.10358740]

>>10358604
There are white nationalists and there are conservatives/centrists pushing back against white cultural suicide done by the left.

[Anonymous No.10358743]

[Anonymous No.10358749]

I'm legitimately confused, I thought /pol/ never liked him?

[Anonymous No.10358752]

>>10358739
Herd mentality. Groupthink. Lack of own achievements. An example of that is the person you're arguing against.

[Anonymous No.10358757]

>>10358749
>/pol/ is a mass of retards
>memerson is a retard
Why do you even care? Go read a nice book.

[Anonymous No.10358758]

>>10358749
They didn't but /lit/ equals pseuds and newfags with /pol/, and Peterson posters are likely one of the two.

[Anonymous No.10358759]

>>10358740
overt racists and covert racists

[Anonymous No.10358761]

>>10358752
What confuses me is that these faggots are always rambling about Nietzsche and saying communism destroys the individual and blah blah blah but at the first sign of a banner to hide below they're like victorian ladies running from the sun.

[Anonymous No.10358780]

>>10358735
>>10358735
According to statistics, even the well-off white-collar blacks commit more crimes than poor whites.
Even adopted black children raised by well-off white parents don't match up with their white counterparts.
>it's not race, it's culture
>it's not race, it's social status
Both have been debunked.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_achievement_gap_in_the_United_States#White-African_American_gap

>>10358739
>How the fuck can national pride be natural when "nations" as we understand today are about 300 years old.
It is obviously natural, you fucking brainlet, because the moment modern nations developed everone jumped on board with waving flags and singing anthems. Before that people felt that belonging to their polis, tribe, religion, or whatever else.
Shared pride and a sense of belonging/duty to some larger group is natural to humans as social animals. Your theorizing doesn't mean shit.

I gotta go, see you on the boards guys.

[Anonymous No.10358784]

>>10358739
>"nations" as we understand today are about 300 years old
I didn't know people still unironically tried claiming this, makes me nostalgic to when /leftypol/ tried to adopt /his/.

[Anonymous No.10358788]

[Anonymous No.10358795]

>>10358759
>actual far right poster incorrectly groups itself with people who dislike population replacement
>lefty poster incorrectly groups both together and calls them racist
And that's how you lose elections, kids.

[Anonymous No.10358799]

[Anonymous No.10358803]

>>10358761
Before I go though I'll just address how absurd it is to bring up how "they always talk about Nietzsche and communism" when I haven't said literally a word about any of those

[Anonymous No.10358805]

[Anonymous No.10358811]

[Anonymous No.10358816]

>>10358780
>the moment modern nations developed everone jumped on board
More like it begin in the 16th century and is still hard to say it's a finished proccess, probably never will be.

[Anonymous No.10358817]

>>10358739
>How the fuck can national pride be natural when "nations" as we understand today are about 300 years old
???
What.

[Anonymous No.10358822]

[Anonymous No.10358823]

>>10358803
Which is precisely why I didn't quote you.

>>10358817
>what is the constitution of the modern nation state

[Anonymous No.10358833]

>>10358811
Lol

[Anonymous No.10358836]

[Anonymous No.10358841]

>>10358823
I'm confused, did you not know some countries have been unified for at least a thousand years?

[Anonymous No.10358843]

>>10358817
Nation-states are silly though, they try to lump swathes of different dialects, cultural pockets (which usually form in remote areas like mountains, etc.) with the municipalities over vast regions. Sometimes, you get different ethnic backgrounds completely (most of European nations will have this, and especially America). It's not really a communal, natural grouping anymore. If you try to institute eugenics or nationalised language, or whatever, then you're making a synthetic "nation" that didn't occur with collective effort, destroying the idea of nation.

I think having cultural groupings that occur more with geography and dialect will be the future. Technically, there would be no state, just a world community with very obvious cultural borders.

[Anonymous No.10358846]

[Anonymous No.10358847]

>>10358843
That wasn't what was being argued nor claimed and irrelevant to the discussion at hand.

[Anonymous No.10358852]

>>10358847
I just came in friend-o. Nations and nation-states as I understand them are recent creations, which are completely different to the "nations" of empires and fiefdoms before them.

[Anonymous No.10358855]

[Anonymous No.10358863]

>>10358852
You don't get it, historiography and political science are memes and what truly matters are the feelings of the white man.

[Anonymous No.10358864]

>>10358855
Lol

[Anonymous No.10358865]

[Anonymous No.10358885]

>>10358841
>at least a thousand years
White European ones weren't
Colonies in America weren't
Africa weren't (some of them still aren't)

[Anonymous No.10358886]

>>10358644
>if the low iq is the problem, why not handle it directly?
That's a good question. I think we should kill the following
>Low IQ plebs, all of them, because their violence and crimes against all things, their usefulness for evil - due to their inherent lack of desire for any higher values, yet any that pretends to be one will get their support
>Nerds, for attacking all things holy because they are fans of a different system, which should obviously have a monopoly on truth. Although they won't directly attack anything that gets them ridiculed, like most moral questions when they get serious. Instead they pull the rug from under morality as a whole, whilst pretending that it has no effect on those specific moral questions.
>Current elites, for being cannibal pedos and in bed with the kikes
>Kikes
Who is left?

[Anonymous No.10358890]

>>10358852
Your just regurgitating what you've read online probably from a source that gives undue weight to fringe opinions, stop that.

[Anonymous No.10358894]

[Anonymous No.10358897]

>>10358894

moar?

[Anonymous No.10358900]

>>10358897

[Anonymous No.10358902]

>>10358894
Nice post relevant to the topic at hand

[Anonymous No.10358904]

>>10358890
>Fringe
What? Anything we can call a "nation-state" didn't exist until the advent of liberalism, which was late 18th Century.

[Anonymous No.10358905]

>>10358885
>White European ones weren't
Does public education in your country not teach European history any more?

[Anonymous No.10358919]

[Anonymous No.10358920]

>>10358904
Actually the concept of a "nation-state" was codified during the thirty years war in the 1600's.

[Anonymous No.10358925]

>>10358905
What a weird definition of "country" and "unified" you have there, friend.

[Anonymous No.10358930]

[Anonymous No.10358936]

[Anonymous No.10358938]

>>10358530
that metokur fag did a hitpiece on him

[Anonymous No.10358941]

[Anonymous No.10358959]

>>10358905
Show me one European "nation" that stood for more than a century. They were all subject to massive cultural, linguistic, genetic and structural changes, not to mention their borders always shifted. What we call the United Kingdom was an absolute orgy since the Battle of Stanford Bridge. I know I have nothing in common with a Welsh bowman or a Norman overlord, except that we shared the same island over many years - which housed many invaders.

Anyway, none of these countries created a national identity, they just had a ruling class that shifted every so often and tried to take more land. Why do you think there's still independence struggles for minority "nations" within nations in Europe? They obviously didn't create an identity over a millennia of conflict and kingdom-building.

>>10358920
Straight from wikipedia > nation state > origin. Nice. Anyway, you're not contradicting me. I said that no nation-state existed properly until Napoleon. It was still an alien concept to most of Europe while a French Republic was around.

[Anonymous No.10358961]

>>10358938
But /pol/ hates Metokur because he's a "race traitor".

[Anonymous No.10358976]

>>10358961
they don't hate him any more than they hate "based black dudes" or "based faggots"
/pol/ is a bunch of retarded redditors led around by the nose by retarded youtubers like metokur and peterson, though honestly i dont blame peterson because i would be doing the same shit if i made that much money

[Anonymous No.10358984]

>>10358780
Again this group is still a net positive to society, no reason to cut on such big lines like race

[Anonymous No.10358988]

>>10358581
my grandfather was an individual, not a poorly defined monolith known for fighting its "self" as much as it fights others.
The white nationalist obsession with pan-white identity is as silly as the feminist obsession with universal sisterhood, and both would require tyrannical enforcement to ever come into being because whites and women simply don't get along with themselves.

[Anonymous No.10358989]

>>10358959
>Show me one European "nation" that stood for more than a century
To be fair theses stupid fuckers actually did despite other countries insistent otherwise.

[Anonymous No.10358993]

>>10358795
how can i have lost an election if i've never run for office or worked on a campaign?

oh, right
>anyone who is even vaguely left of center is a shillary supporter

[Anonymous No.10358996]

[Anonymous No.10359033]

>>10358581
except in your examples you're proud of someone else for something they did while race pride is generally being proud of yourself for something someone else did

[Anonymous No.10359050]

>>10358759
yeah fuck off. You can be against the destruction of your culture and your race without believing that you're better than anybody for your race. Me being white doesn't make me righteous or great, but wanting to preserve the security of the nation state in lieu of idealized globalism has nothing to do with race. Nationalism is how many non-euro, non-white countries through off the shackles of colonialism. is it any wonder that the countries pushing for globalization are ex-colonial powers? Is globalism, an ideology born out of white nations and based on white ideals, much closer to white supremacy than a bunch of disgruntled blue-collars wanting to have the nation once promised them?
The nation state is what gives us our rights, not a foreign ruler in a foreign land, not the germans, once again, trying to control Poland.
I hate nazis because like marxists they hate the nation state (just not their own) and their tribalism is toxic to national unity, both of which have proven to be the best things for human rights and good peace, while the peace they offer (and how rarely it is offered!) is always bad.

[Anonymous No.10359061]

[Anonymous No.10359068]

>>10359050
the stuff about muh cultural preservation is dishonest because you retards believe that ethnicity/race and culture are inextricably linked. you see the mere presence of a non-white person as an attack against white culture and the white race.

[Anonymous No.10359071]

Why don't mods delete this excruciating shit?

[Anonymous No.10359101]

>>10359068
>all of that
Point to, if you don't mind, where I said anything like your accusing me of saying.
I don't want white people to die out and I don't want black people to die out for the same reasons why I don't want black labs to die out or pugs to die out. Losing a whole category of life is tragic and in the context of the human race, generally desired by evil people.
People who move to a country need to embrace that country's unique culture or leave. They can add things to that culture, and western nations are quite open minded, but when your values clash violently with those of your new home, you're the one who needs to change or go. It has nothing to do with race, but everything to do with national values, and the preservation of the social construct which throughout history has allowed for more liberty than all alternatives which is the nation state.

[Anonymous No.10359196]

>>10358780
>Both have been debunked.
Debunked how? The share of non-whites in the US has been rising and yet the crime rate has been steadily falling since early 90s.

>It is obviously natural, you fucking brainlet, because the moment modern nations developed everone jumped on board with waving flags and singing anthems.
They did it for pragmatic reasons, mostly to be guaranteed safety. Today it's the internationalisaton that leads to more safety and stability so it's the same "natural" tendency that lead to nationalism that now makes it disappear.