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10343725 No.10343725 [Reply] [Original]

>Gödel described his religion as "baptized Lutheran (but not member of any religious congregation). My belief is theistic, not pantheistic, following Leibniz rather than Spinoza."
can anyone explain the fundamental difference of Spinoza and Leibniz, especially Leibniz to read his books

>> No.10343781

Spinoza: God as immanent, God is all
Leibniz: God as transcendental, God created all

Apparently Godel had a hard-on for Leibniz but their views on God don't seem to stray very far from the traditional Christian view, unlike Spinoza.

>> No.10345052

>>10343725
God as outside the universe vs. God as the universe.

Think of it in terms of computer MMOs. Are computer programmers part of the game they create, or do they exist transcendent (outside and beyond the rules/laws) of the game?