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Composers>Poets>Novelists>Short story writers>philosophers

Can we all agree on this?

>> No.10311275

>>10311269
>Philosophers are dumb
>Let me assign values to things, which is philosophy

>> No.10311278

>>10311269
Philosophers>Composers>Novelists>Poets>Short story writers

>> No.10311281

Why are composers randomly thrown in with writers? That and phil being at the end makes the bait to obvious.

>> No.10311285

>>10311278
>Novelists>Poets
Is there a bigger mark of the plebeian than not being able to understand poetry? That's like claiming photography is better than painting

>> No.10311289

>>10311285
/lit/ is the most plebeian place of the internet, so no wonder

>> No.10311291

>>10311275
OP rekt

>> No.10311294

>>10311291
not really

>> No.10311296

shift the poet ahead of the composer

>> No.10311299

>>10311275
do """philosophers"""" ever have a comeback other than "haha uve been doing philosophy this whole time, gotcha!" That's like if someone were to say that they don't like literature, and another person were to say, "haha, surprise you've been writing with letters, and thus writing literature the whole time!!" When we say that philosophers suck, we are talking about the profession, the life spent studying philosophers and philosophical texts, you stupid faggot

>> No.10311304

>>10311278
Philosophers>Composers>Novelists>Poets>Short story writers>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>STEMfags

>> No.10311309

>>10311304
Kek

>> No.10311310

>>10311304
>STEMfags
Like you, right?

>> No.10311312

Natural Scientists>Philosophers>Engineers>Visual Artists>Poets>Prose Fiction Writers>Musicians>Craftsmen>Photographers>Nonfiction writers>Social Scientists>>>>>>>>>>>>Dog shit>>>>>>>rocks>>>>(((Journalists)))

>> No.10311314
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10311314

>>10311285
Poets>novelist=Crayolas > Acrylics
poetry is the entry-level tier , sorry elitist.
What poems have changed the course of history? Not as many as novels. The impact is smaller.

>> No.10311316

>>10311312
Dumb

>> No.10311317

>>10311314
>What poems have changed the course of history? Not as many as novels. The impact is smaller.
Cringe as fuck

>> No.10311319

>>10311312
The objectively correct answer

>> No.10311322

>>10311314
>Not as many as novels.
What the fuck are you on about? Until maybe 1950 there was no was that novelists had even began to catch up.

>> No.10311324

>>10311312
Not bad, I'd throw in master cooks above craftsmen and bump up social scientists above photographers

>> No.10311325

>>10311314
You sound like an illiterate faggot

>> No.10311326

>>10311316
>he doesn't recognize that without the advances in material conditions provided by the natural sciences, advancement in the humanities would be impossible

>> No.10311327

children write poems as Valentine's, literally child tier rhyming structure kid books

>> No.10311328

>>10311326
It's also viceversa

>> No.10311329

>>10311312
Nice list, personally I would put philosophers above scientists

>> No.10311335

>>10311312
What a faggot

>> No.10311336

>>10311325
might want to look up the definition of illiterate

>> No.10311338

>>10311336
Yeah, do it. You definitely need it.

>> No.10311341

>>10311312
I'd have to side with this guy

>> No.10311344

>>10311314
Way to demonstrate the point of what you tried to refute, for the sake of entertainment I hope this isn't bait

>> No.10311348

>>10311312
Seems about right

>> No.10311350

>>10311312
>>10311319
>>10311324
>>10311326
>>10311329
>>10311341
>>10311348
>"""natural scientists""" above everybody else
When did this board become reddit?

>> No.10311351

>>10311312
Move up musicians to right behind philosophers

>> No.10311354

you guys are all fucking iditos

>> No.10311355

>>10311299
Get mad, aspie. We're still the most Chad field and "profession". You're obviously some STEM faggot or English major, whose entire worldview is impressed by philosophers.

>> No.10311358

>>10311314
lmao, """"""changed the course of history""""""

>> No.10311362

>>10311354
Agreed. Making rakings of professions. Could there be anything dumber?

>> No.10311363

>>10311350
Name one work of literature that has objectively altered conditions in a civilized society for the better. Pro tip: you can't

>> No.10311368

>>10311312
Based

>> No.10311370

>>10311363
You're fucking stupid, and a colossal faggot. Scientific changes are determined by culture and what you call literature just like culture and literature are influenced by science. Read more fucking books, retard.

>> No.10311372

>>10311350
>muh reddit
Cringe

>> No.10311377

>>10311372
Go back faggot

>> No.10311378

>>10311363
The Bible, eventually.

>> No.10311380

>>10311370
You sound ignorant as shit. Without the material advancements of science we would never have had papyrus, parchments, etc. and even Gilgamesh or the Iliad would never have been recorded. You're revealing that you are in fact the redditor

>> No.10311382

>>10311312
*tips fedora*

>> No.10311385

>>10311380
You're fucking retarded like shit. Without the artistic culture of the Renaissance we wouldn't build the ships that let Columbus discover America, and without the hippie culture of the 60s they wouldn't create computers and the internet. Disciplines are reciprocal, you fucking dipshit.

>> No.10311386
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10311386

>>10311380
t. American education

>> No.10311389

>>10311385
Not so. The internet would have developed regardless of the so called "culture" because economics dictates that technology advances in a stable society with surplus wealth. It will do so regardless of how many Beatles songs or postmodern novels are released in a given year. Science is totally separate from the humanities (though its advancements are what allow for the humanities to progress)

>> No.10311395

Novelists should always be at the top. Storytelling justifies human existence

>> No.10311396

>>10311385
Cringe

>> No.10311398

>>10311385
lol what a beta cuck humanities fag

Enjoy your coffee shop job

>> No.10311401

>>10311312
Best ordering itt

>> No.10311403

>>10311395
>fanfiction keeps some pleb from offing themselves
What's the point of being alive without music or philosophy? Fiction is okay, but it really does nothing without philosophy.

>> No.10311409

>>10311395
Incorrect, food, water, and material comfort justify human existence, literature is secondary to the provision of these

>> No.10311410

>>10311389
You're wrong. Read more books about the relationship about science and humanities and we'll speak again. But for now, you're just a retarded burger.

>> No.10311413
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10311413

>>10311312
>Engineers not coming after dog shit and rocks
When you're a panpsychist like me, it makes no sense to put a mindless monkey in front of rocks or shit.

>> No.10311415

>>10311410
*relationship between

>> No.10311422

>>10311396
>>10311398
Nice arguments, cucks. You'd look better in a stadium than here.

>> No.10311430

>>10311338
Still writes poems with Crayons. How cute.

Name a poem more influential than 1984>>10311358

This board really has gone down hill.>>10311363

Total time waster.

>> No.10311436

This is a shit thread. Pile in here, dumb fuckers.

>> No.10311440

>>10311409
No, food and whatever enable us to create art. That's the point of humans, to create stories, we are there for them, not the reverse

>> No.10311455

>>10311430
see >>10311362 and shut your dirty mouth up

>> No.10311458

>>10311430
Lots of old ones??
The Divine Comedy
Metamorphoses
The Wasteland
lots of stuff?

>> No.10311462

>>10311430
>1984
>influential
It's only put on a pedestal by New Atheists, political babbies and middle schoolers. Those are usually not mutually exclusive.

>> No.10311464

>>10311458
Don't even reply to a retard, dude. Leave him in his ignorance.

>> No.10311470

>>10311436
You should report it then

>> No.10311483

>>10311278
Philosophers>novelists>composers>shortstory>poets

>> No.10311484

>>10311464
Nah, I'm a firm believer in reacting sincerely to silly statements. If this person really discounts poetry categorically, the hope that I could say something offhanded to get them to try poetry again is worth a silly internet fight. I love poetry and hope that I can contribute to more people reading it in any way I can.

>> No.10311491

Why not just start a rate my dick thread, elsewhere? All these are ideas and not what you truly are. You shouldn't identify with any of this. And you claim to be philosophers? Sophists.

>> No.10311494

>>10311484
But it's blatantly clear he doesn't get the whole thing, I mean poetry per se. The only way he can change his mind is to read dozens of poetry books. I'm not sure you can convince him here, on fucking 4chan, where everyone speaks of their ass without listening to others.

>> No.10311496
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10311496

>>10311355

>> No.10311497

>>10311484
It's a relic of the oral tradition. Printing press, anyone? I thought this was Lit not Mu.

>> No.10311498

>>10311491
Report this thread, I'm pretty sure if enough people will, mods will delete it

>> No.10311502

>>10311484
poetry is for NORMIES. talking about love and shit. get that shit out of here

>> No.10311509

>>10311502
>implying love is not the only thing humans care about

>> No.10311510

>>10311502
You're basically a human waste

>> No.10311518

Howl
Gilgamesh
Once upon a midnight dreary
Real influential shit here. I must turn it into my identity. I am now my new label: poet.

>> No.10311527

>>10311510
t. Reddit

>> No.10311546

>>10311497
people like cummings embrace the printed word more than any novelist
>>10311502
if i was a normie, i'd be talking about novels

>> No.10311578

>>10311458
All a waste of time. You sad relics.

>> No.10311592

>>10311578
If you aren't baiting then I almost feel bad for you.

>> No.10311599

This is why you post here. Not to learn, but because your poetry will be ignored, even by other poets. Talk about a dino-cringe-fest. And yet, you all have internet access. Mind blown.

>> No.10311663

I can't be associating with poets, even anonymously. It leads to a dark place. I might grow a handlebar mustache, wear mismatched socks, and want to ride a penny farthing. Thanks for the cure, poets.

>> No.10311673

>>10311275
fpbp

>> No.10311687

>>10311269
I thought this was going to be bait at first, but then I thought about it and realized I agree.

>> No.10311721

>>10311269

what about composer-poets?

>> No.10311737

Ok seriously though guys, science has to be stopped at some point. Maybe let them get far enough that we can get android waifus but other than that I don't see much good coming

>> No.10311740

>>10311737
Android waifus and actual post-scarcity are the only things preventing me from being a full-blown Luddite.

>> No.10311769

composers>novelists>philosophers>short story writers>poets

relative rankings like this are pointless either way

>> No.10311775

>>10311312
social scientists aren't even worth listing. that field has absolutely no merit.

>> No.10311783

>>10311314
are you at all familiar with tennyson, pope, Petrarch, coleridge, or wordsworth?

>> No.10311903

Philosophers > Poets > Composers > Short Storyists > Novelists