/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.10305809]

Favorite South American authors? Clarice Lispector is mine. Also love Borges.

[Anonymous No.10305938]

>>10305809
Bolaño, Vargas Llosa, Villa Matias. Cesar Aira was pretty good.

[Anonymous No.10305957]

Ricardo Piglia is one I don't hear mentioned often even though he's among the greatest.

[Anonymous No.10305971]

>>10305809
I never found a Latin American author interesting. They always seem too derivitive of their European contempories to bother with and I don't appreciate their parochial sentimentalism

[Anonymous No.10305982]

>>10305809
Piglia, Lispector, Restrepo, Trevian, Galera

[Anonymous No.10305989]

juan rulfo

[Anonymous No.10306084]

>>10305809
Junot Diaz

[Anonymous No.10306085]

What is /lit/s general opinion on Hundred Years of Solitude? I'm not from this board.

[Anonymous No.10306087]

>>10306085
i like it a great deal

[Anonymous No.10306106]

mutis best writer from my cunt

>>10305971
we are white europeans

[Anonymous No.10306119]

>>10305971
>derivative

Are you saying Latin American authors are too similar to their Spanish contemporary writers?

Who's Borges similar to? What's the Spanish "100 years of solitude"? And the Spanish "The green house"?

[Anonymous No.10306125]

>>10305938
Nigga, Vila Matas is Spanish

[Anonymous No.10306133]

>>10306085
Any person, well read or not, who is not a complete retard must admit that it's a good book.

[Anonymous No.10306137]

>>10305989
Pedro Paramo is the tits, yeah.

[Anonymous No.10306158]

>>10306119
Btfo

[Anonymous No.10306164]

>>10306133
>hundreds of pages about relatives fucking in corn fields and a character literally called meme
>good

[Anonymous No.10306279]

Anyone here read Augusto Roa Bastos' I, the Supreme? Always found Paraguay's history kinda interesting and was wondering if this book is worthwhile.

[Anonymous No.10306336]

>Write some good stories
>then a literally perfect novella
>write no more

[Anonymous No.10306455]

>>10306336
that's the way to do it desu

[Anonymous No.10306605]

>>10306336
He actually wrote another novella, anon It's pretty meh

[Anonymous No.10307031]

>>10305809
García Márquez and Bolaño as novelists.
Cortázar and Borges regarding short stories
Gómez Jattin and León de Greiff regarding poetry
Rulfo is a different thing. He's just the best.

[Anonymous No.10307140]

>>10305982
>galera
lol'ed

[Anonymous No.10307148]

Bazilian hidden gems: Murilo Mendes, Manoel de Barros, Ferreira Gullar.

Clarice Lispector a meme. Machado de Assis is pretty good but I need to reread it, last time I did was in high school. Guimarães Rosa is amazing and worth the read.

From other Latin American countries I thoroughly enjoy Borges, Piglia, Bolaño, Aira.

[Anonymous No.10307162]

[Anonymous No.10307385]

>>10307148
>Guimarães Rosa is amazing and worth the read.

This, except I decided to learn the language just to read him in the original (I'm actually already fluent in Spanish and French, so it's not really a huge leap).

[Anonymous No.10307486]

>>10307385
How is the experience of reading him in english? I cannot imagine.

>>10305809
Why are americans suddenly in love with Lispector? She's so meh and seems like such a random writer to choose.

[Anonymous No.10307495]

>>10305809
Arlt

[Anonymous No.10307596]

>>10305809
Clarice Lispector! really? Why?
Recommend me something.

[Anonymous No.10307607]

>ctrl+f
>paulo coelho
>0 results
Come on guys

[Anonymous No.10307667]

>>10307148
Recommend me something by Murilo Mendes. Also something by Ferreira Gular, from him I've only read the Poema Sujo.

[Anonymous No.10307802]

Like MILK.

[Anonymous No.10307829]

>>10307802
So... You guys like her because she was hot when she was young...

[Anonymous No.10308686]

>>10306279
Nobody?

[Anonymous No.10309003]

>>10305809
y'all niggas need Alberto Laiseca.

Sadly he passed away not so long ago.

A great author. Crazy and really fun.

[Anonymous No.10309010]

>>10306279
yeah, just buy the Ediciones Catedra edition.

[Anonymous No.10309102]

>>10306085

My impression when I read it was that I was witnessing humanity first emerging from primordial mud, from the creamy swamps of stone age, as if the foundation of the city of Macondo was the first settlement of civilization and it’s inhabitants were all Adams and Eves, all of them still humid with the sweat of the dew of paradise. Is like the children of Eden modeling and pilling up the first bricks of Ur, or Uruk, of Nineveh or Babylon (all the houses of red mud and of bamboo/taquara).
Humanity was at the same time more innocent and stronger, more ignorant and hungrier. The friendship and the butchery, the marriage and drinking rituals, the sexual hunger and the love caresses, the trades and crafts and arts and festivals: all of it seemed, in my eyes, as discovered for the first time by the inhabitants of the world of this book. When they made love, they did it with more power and pleasure than our current race; when they killed, they did it with more foaming savagery. Their veins still had primeval magma snaking and tingling inside them; their arteries still burned with an effervescence contaminated with the sweat of minotaur’s and the menstrual blood of sirens. It is a book that portrays a period in history but with the taste of something that came before history, before civilization, before the written word, before the invention of time. The first settlers, with the first house-foundations, will be the ones who will finally make time open its eyes and start growing conscious – as if, the soil being perforated to seat the first beams, time started to gush off, like newfound petroleum.

It begins with creation. Even the fauna and flora, with plants with tick and oozing blood of milk, flowers with golden pollen, butterflies and mosquitos emerging like dense fog, and the birds singing on the branches, the tamarins jumping from tree to tree, the fat salamanders crawling in the viscous vegetation, the araras (macaws) whose flesh is blue and taste like musk: this environment seemed as the original jungles of Eden before the fall of humanity. It begins with creation, but it will march inexorably until the crack of doom.

[Anonymous No.10309108]

>>10309102

And then you get the same errors and weaknesses happening again and again and again, by generation after generation of characters, as if didn’t matter how much civilization changed, for the original and primeval world (where things still didn’t had a name, where men and women needed to point to indicate what they were referring to) could never be completely silenced. No matter how much technology and “progress” fertilized the world, still the original marrow of our bestial beings could never be suppressed: it kept screaming inside the bones and veins of the men and women of the book. Like the sweet and nauseating pulp of guava, there is no way to wash the taste, the nausea and the sweetness from this the people who are still and forever tattooed by the Dionysian stamp of the state-of-nature.

So this:

a) The sperm of Adam could never be dissolved from our species; the perfume of the apple never gagged, for it is forever entangled in our flesh: that seems to me one of the great themes of the book.

b) Somehow I feel that the author desired to portray the whole history of humanity – from the first shadows that crawled from the marshes of Eden (the slimy early-fishes creeping from sea to land), to the last cries of the last infants and the last whispers of the last ancients (whose backs carry the weight of all the thousands that lived before them) – occurring in one single town, during the course of mere 100 years.

It’s a great book.

[Anonymous No.10309112]

>>10305809
Any Spanish language ones for Spanish-learners?

[Anonymous No.10309131]

>>10305982
>>10307140
Daniel Galera? Thought he was pretty good. I've read "Barba Ensopada de Sangue".

[Anonymous No.10309154]

>>10309112
Uuuhhh... mate

[Anonymous No.10309219]

>>10309102
>>10309108
Holy..... I want more (unironically). Did you expand your review >>10297543?

>>10309010
So you liked it? I'm going to get the German translation so I was just wondering if it's interesting enough.

[Anonymous No.10309223]

>>10305809
Raduan Nassar, Machado de Assis, Manuel Puig, Augusto dos Anjos, Ernesto Sabato.

>>10307667
Gullar's bibliography is pretty extensive and consistent. My favorite might be ''Muitas Vozes'', which is him at his most mature and refined. ''A Luta Corporal'' is very avant-garde and surrealist, and ''Dentro da Noite Veloz'' is political through and through.

[Anonymous No.10309231]

If you guys think Lispector was hot, look up Ana Cristina Cesar.

UMA DELICIA.

[Anonymous No.10309244]

>>10306119
>Are you saying Latin American authors are too similar to their Spanish contemporary writers?

No I mean European literature in general

>Who's Borges similar to?
You misunderstand the meaning of derivative, its not that a writer is a cheaper version of another, just that their contribution has no earstwhile importance to literature as a whole. South America could have never existed and literature would be much the same

[Anonymous No.10309251]

>>10306106
>we are white europeans
t. Argentina

[Anonymous No.10309260]

>>10309219
>Did you expand your review

Yes. I made that post when I was suddenly reminded by the OP of the existence of One Hundred Years of Solitude (a book that I love very deeply. It is not the same thing as my beloved Tolstoy and Shakespeare; it doesn’t seem that much as a study of character, but like a colossal poem bursting to life in the novel-format).

Since then I made some research on the book again and flipped some passages of it at home (and hence the addictions in the original post I made about the novel). I also found out a quite interesting site about the genesis of the book:

https://sites.utexas.edu/ransomcentermagazine/2017/05/22/a-history-of-one-hundred-years-of-solitude-in-documents/

It even contains a link to the original manuscript that was send to the Editor press:

https://hrc.contentdm.oclc.org/digital/collection/p15878coll80/id/595#nav_top

Unfortanetly, GGM destroyed most of the manuscripts of the work, the palces where we could actually find him at work:

“Writing took him approximately 13 months, from July 1965 to August 1966. Little documentation survives to this day to understand how he wrote it. Allegedly, García Márquez burnt all manuscripts, notes, and diagrams after receiving the first copy of the book from Sudamericana. He only saved the last version of the novel’s typescript, now kept at the Ransom Center. This typescript contains over 200 handwritten corrections, which reveal surprising textual variants with the final text of the novel published by Sudamericana. Some variants of special interest can be found on pages 46, 149, and 282.”

[Anonymous No.10309269]

>>10309244
>implying influence = value
Is this the true power of le western cannon?

[Anonymous No.10309288]

>>10309269
Immitation is the highest form of flattery, I read writers based on their implicit endorsement from other writers I like. I don't deny that there may be great writers from S.America but there has been little to push me towards investigating them

[Anonymous No.10309293]

>>10305809

The old Pontiero translation of Hour of the Star is superior to the new edition.

[Anonymous No.10309296]

>>10307667
Poema Sujo is trash, and that's coming from a fan of his. You ought to look for early works: can't go wrong with A Luta Corporal.

[Anonymous No.10309308]

>>10307667
As of Murilo Mendes, it depends on what you want to read. If you want to go into sort of symbolist and more caracteriscally modernist poems, go with Poemas or Tempo e Eternidade. If you want his deep-Catholic-surrealist phase, Metamorfoses is a good choice. If you just want a taste of his style, Cia. das Letras has recently published a new edition of Poliedro, a collection of essays that floats all over the place.

[Anonymous No.10309313]

>>10307486
Benjamin Moser published a biography of hers, which was followed by new editions of her novellas. She's pretty meh indeed, I can't figure out this fascination they suddenly have for her.

[Anonymous No.10309314]

>>10307802
she still looks good there

[Anonymous No.10309321]

>>10309131
I think all of this contemporary sulist writers are just obnoxious. The exception being Carol Bensimon, maybe.

[Anonymous No.10309323]

>>10309321


>Tfw I wrote and published two plays (a comedy and a tragedy) in blank-verse and prose, with a mix of densely poetic and metaphorical and crude and realistic language, doing my best to honor the tradition of the Greeks and Shakespeare, and still haven’t got a single mention and review in any Brazilian newspaper, magazine, or even a blog.

Our age is the age of the novel and the short story: dramatic poetry is dead. Oh well, what is left for me to do but to keep moving forward even if I don’t have readers? At least when I lay down in bed at night, in the dark, I feel proud of my own efforts (even if they are filled with defects).

[Anonymous No.10309329]

>>10309323
>Our age is the age of the novel and the short story:

Try the Netflix series and the youtube channel

[Anonymous No.10309333]

Borges > everyone else.

[Anonymous No.10309341]

>>10309323
Which book? Sometimes it's just a matter of being in a good publisher. I work in the publishing business and can attest that nowhere else in the world there's a greater concentrarion of power among a select number of publishers.

I've wrote some essays and aphorisms and decided that I won't care for format and won't adapt anything in order to be published. It will either find its way into the public eye or disappear completely, I don't care. What's important is to write something good.

[Anonymous No.10309347]

>>10309329

Oh, don’t mistake my words. Certainly movies and TV series are the main sources of story-telling for people today, there is no doubt about that. Nothing wrong with that: every genre can produce masterpieces (True Detective and Breaking Bad were great works of art, in my opinion).

But for the audience that consumes books (much smaller than the screen audience, of course), poetry and poetic drama are nonexistent.

[Anonymous No.10309349]

>>10309347
just do your stuff, if it's original or good enough it will eventually be read and praised

[Anonymous No.10309358]

>>10309347
>True Detective and Breaking Bad were great works of art, in my opinion

Oh Christ, they're not even particularly good by TV standards. Deadwood and Mad Men you'd have an argument

[Anonymous No.10309361]

>>10309341

The first book was published by Chiado Editora, in Portugal (because I could not find any editors in Brazil interested enough to publish the work; one of them say that they wanted to publish, but after a year of preparation aid that they were changing policy and personal and had decided to abandon the project).

For the second book I used Creative Space, a company affiliated with Amazon, and self-published. I made advertisement in Facebook, but got only likes and no sales.

Somehow it is my fault. Both plays are gigantic (more than 700 pages), which make them unable to be performed. From now one I will think first on the stage, and only create works that can be performed on the sage in 2-3 hours.

[Anonymous No.10309363]

>>10309358
>Deadwood and Mad Men
Wrong!

[Anonymous No.10309366]

>>10309260
Very interesting read, thanks Anon.
>tfw I now have another book in my backlog

[Anonymous No.10309368]

>>10309358
>Deadwood and Mad Men you'd have an argument

I love those two. Al Swearengen is one of my favorite characters of all time.

[Anonymous No.10309371]

>>10309363
>Wrong

Are you the guy who likes Breaking Reddit? Because you lost all authority there

[Anonymous No.10309451]

>>10309333
this. the whole of Latin American literary export is but a footnote to the corpus of Borges

[Anonymous No.10309454]

>>10309219
>Holy..... I want more (unironically).
>>10309366
>Very interesting read, thanks Anon.

Thank you very much. I thought people would find my criticism too flowery and purple-prosed, but I could not help writing like that, since I really love that book.

It might seem silly, but to listen some small compliment like yours in a week where I have been feeling disappointed with myself and my own writing meant a lot.

[Anonymous No.10309467]

>>10309451

I like Borges a lot, but sometimes he seems to me to be too much cerebral, too much dependent on ideas and images took from his enormous reading-memory, and less about characters and imaginary lives.

I can’t remember, for example, of feminine characters in Borges work. Some of the most basic human experiences (like sexuality) are completely absent from his corpus.

[Anonymous No.10309551]

>>10309467
Emma Zunz (A Borge's short story)
>Female protagonist
>Coitus
Surprise madafaka

[Anonymous No.10309612]

>>10309454
Cheers Anon. I might not be a good critic especially since I'm not even a native speaker, but I tought you described that "primordial condition" just spot on; expressing it in a way that put my meandering thoughts I have about this topic (esp. when reading about the ANE, mythology and religion in genereal) into meaningful words. Also I think this topic deserves some (well-crafted) flowery prose. Keep it up!

[Anonymous No.10309697]

>>10309251
i wrote mutis was the best writer from my country he is colombian sorry we are white

[Anonymous No.10309735]

>>10309697
hahaha wtf
i'm Colombian an Mutis is meh. Raúl Gómez Jattin, León de Greif, Nicolás Gómez Dávila... Those are the greatest!

[Anonymous No.10309748]

>>10306336
>>10306605
He actually wrote two other novellas, the first one(being untitled) he burned because he hated it. The second one called "El Gallo de Oro" only survived because Carlos Fuentes and Grabiel García Márquez convinced Rulfo to make a movie about it, Márquez and Fuentes took the manuscript by Rulfo and adapted into a script. The only reason we have that novella published is because of Carlos Fuentes and Márquez. (Source: the introduction to El Gallo de Oro)

[Anonymous No.10309763]

>>10309333
>>10309451

If you knew better you'll understand that Borges was heavily inspired by many prosists of Latin America and that his work would have been impossible without. Pic related is a writer Borges thought to be perfect, a lot of literary critics from latin america-including Ricardo Piglia- believe that Borge's style was actually fully developed after reading a Alfonso Reyes's short storie called "La Cena"

[Anonymous No.10309774]

>>10309735
oh man i forgot león he is awesome! dávila is one of my favorites too but i thought op was only asking for novelists and poets

[Anonymous No.10309787]

>>10309774
I like José Asunción Silva as well. Great poems, and an intesresting biography.

[Anonymous No.10309846]

>>10306085
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6I4vlLOIyM

[Anonymous No.10309914]

>>10305809

Is there a good book that lists and analyzes the greatest works and most significant writers of the South American continent? I was thinking of something like a history of South American literature from the late 19th century and the entire 20th century.

[Anonymous No.10310653]

>>10309102
>>10309108

You speak as if this guy was some sort of Latin American Homer or something

[Anonymous No.10310688]

>>10309321
The south is a fucking meme. They just write literature for USP's departmento de letras. It's awful. But not worse than the hack Raphael Montes.

[Anonymous No.10311058]

>>10305989

Why is Pedro Paramo considered so great?

[Anonymous No.10311073]

>not rating oswald de andrade

[Anonymous No.10311534]

bump

[Anonymous No.10311593]

>>10309296
>Poema Sujo is trash
Oh thanks, I thought the problem was on me. Why is it so famous? Is it because he curses? Is it that it was a novelty then, and everyone was - oh, so avant-garde? Why is it so praised?

>>10309223
I'm gonna check it out

[Anonymous No.10312134]

What would be a top ten Latin American novels?

[Anonymous No.10312849]

>>10306336
The Plain in Flames has glimmers of Pedro Paramo's awesomeness.

[Anonymous No.10312888]

>>10311593
It's famous because of the novelty, yes, and also because of the circunstances in which it was written.

[Anonymous No.10314109]

>>10312134

I also would liketo know this

[Anonymous No.10314666]

strongly suggest u ppo don't sleep on Onetti, mainly "El Pozo" and "El Astillero". no clue if these have been published in english.
and Cortázar, imo, is the perfect short story author. I never cared for "Rayuela", but his stories have absolutely not a wasted sentence

[Anonymous No.10314711]

>>10305809

Jorge Luis Borges is mine. Also love Lispector.
Also Bioy Casares, de Assis, da Cunha, and Donoso

[Anonymous No.10314809]

>mfw I'm an argentinian who has never read Borges

[Anonymous No.10315189]

>>10307162
this guy fucks

[Hippolytus No.10315195]

>>10314666
"La vida breve", bruh.

[Hippolytus No.10315210]

>>10309323

I'd like a copy (digital, of course) of your works. I could cook some review here in Uruguay, if you're interested, of course.

[Anonymous No.10316250]

>>10307486
She's a woman and from an exotic country, yet her name sounds like she could be British or from the new England states so she's not too exotic and scary. Perfect mix for pseud snob housewives and soyboys

[Anonymous No.10316578]

>>10309361
Is it that play about the Japanese? I wanted to buy it, but honestly, the price is quite high (even though I believe it's worth it). Writing something like that really is hard to sell these days.

[Anonymous No.10316728]

>>10316578
>Is it that play about the Japanese?

Yes, it is exactly that play.

I soon realized that the price would be a problem. I used Amazon's Create Space site to publish the book (self-publishing), and put as price the minimum required by the tool. I believe that the calculation is done based on the number of pages, the price of paper and ink, etc. Even selecting the minimum price, however, the book ended up being high-priced. One of the main reasons is the exchange rate conversion from Dollar to Real.

I apologize for this. I feel ashamed because I do not know if the literary quality of the material deserves such a high price (I did my very best, but still: one always achieve far less than wath was dreamed).

>>10315210
>I'd like a copy (digital, of course) of your works. I could cook some review here in Uruguay, if you're interested, of course.

I would be extremely honored if you decided to read the works.

However, before you choose to buy one of them, I suggest you read previews and decide if the material would be worth your time or not.

This is the last one I wrote (I think is my best one). I will send you the link for the digital version. Use the "Look Inside" to see if you think that the book is worth a read. If you think is still crude and boring I will understand, I'm really OK about criticism (I know I still have a lot to learn). The link:

https://www.amazon.com.br/Sombra-Sobre-Trono-Poema-Dram%C3%A1tico-ebook/dp/B077CWSRYJ/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1511706496&sr=8-1&keywords=a+sombra+sobre+o+trono

That one is a tragedy. This is the my first work (a comedy). Here the link for the place to buy it:

https://www.livrariacultura.com.br/p/ebooks/literatura-internacional/um-hino-ao-vazio-89813979

But like I said, please search inside before you decide to buy. Here, on this Google Books preview, you can see more of the work:

https://books.google.com.br/books?id=hYgwDgAAQBAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=um+hino+ao+vazio&hl=pt-BR&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwibg8Hfu9zXAhWDQZAKHWivDWYQ6AEIJzAA#v=onepage&q=um%20hino%20ao%20vazio&f=false

[Anonymous No.10316948]

>>10312134

please, I would liketo know where to start with Latin American literature

[Anonymous No.10316971]

Did you guys forget Machado de Assis?
He's the king of South America's lit.
Try reading Dom Casmurro.

[Anonymous No.10316976]

>>10316948
I think the most essential would be "One Hundred Years of Solitude" and "The Posthumous Memoirs of Bras Cubas", so you could get the feel of both spanish and portuguese literature.
>>10316728
It's very nice to see such a humble writer here in Brazil. I hope everything turns out good for you, don't let the literary market get in the way of your art.

[Anonymous No.10316992]

>>10316948
Yeah
Start with The posthumous memoirs of Bras Cubas

[Anonymous No.10317259]

>>10309333
Too cerebral and burgueoise

[Anonymous No.10317273]

>>10316948
Start with the Spaniards

[Anonymous No.10317328]

>>10316728
Já li o preview e gostei. Acho que vou pegar o livro. Se acabasse fazendo um artigo vou postar aqui pra voçê ler. Provavelmente seja publicado no "Brecha" um jornal de aqui.

[Anonymous No.10317411]

>>10316948
Martin Fierro

[Anonymous No.10318178]

>>10317328

Muito obrigado, muito obrigado mesmo. Você nem imagina o quanto me faz feliz.

É uma honra para mim saber que você pretende ler o livro. Mesmo que eventualmente não escreva uma resenha, e mesmo que a obra acabe não sendo de seu agrado, saber que uma pessoa com legítimo amor pela literatura e com conhecimentos acerca de vários livros e autores me dará um pouco de atenção me faz muito feliz.

Espero não desapontá-lo. Fiz o melhor que pude e trabalhei com o máximo de minhas forças ao longo de 4 anos, porém ainda tenho muito a aprender. "The life so short, the craft so long to learn"

>>10316976
>It's very nice to see such a humble writer here in Brazil. I hope everything turns out good for you, don't let the literary market get in the way of your art.

Thank you, my friend, your words mean a lot to me.

As for beeing humble, I dont think I have a choice: every time I re-read what I had written (in the stage of making the latest reviews for publishing) I realized the numerous frailties and defects in my work that I could not remedy (I saw that it was not good enough, but I did not know how to improve: I had already done the best I could).

[Anonymous No.10319088]

>>10318178
Anon, I just want to say that I'll definitely buy your book one day, when I get the money. Knowing someone from /lit/ actually wrote what you did makes me proud for some reason. I would also like to write a review.

Godspeed!

[Anonymous No.10319119]

>>10307486
>Why are americans suddenly in love with Lispector?

She is Jewish.

I wouldn't even consider herself a South American, or "Brazilian', author. Her work is completely detached from Brazilian literary culture. She is the definition of a rootless cosmopolitan.

[Anonymous No.10319157]

>>10309763
Bolano mentions and praises him a lot in Savage Detectives too.

[Anonymous No.10319228]

>>10305957
You're cool. Piglia is cool.

[Anonymous No.10319233]

>>10309244
You must have not read the really important works, then.

[Anonymous No.10319245]

If we're talking about Bolaño, can someone explain Nazi Literature in the Americas to me? Is it supposed to be satirical?

[Anonymous No.10320000]

>>10309748
Also, 100 YOS was a script that Marquez was trying to sell but no one bought it. I think that's how that goes.

[Anonymous No.10320202]

>>10305809
Look up Santiago Gamboa. Necropolis.

[Anonymous No.10320218]

>>10319245
Bolanos Nazi Literature?
Also, do I have to explain to you the history of Argentina?

[Anonymous No.10320767]

>>10309108
alright I'll read the fuckin thing already sheesh

[Anonymous No.10320822]

>>10309288
New world countries are young, perhaps it's just the case that not enough time has elapsed for the works to fit into the web of references. Who are your favorite contemporary authors?

[Jeff Mangum Died For Your Sins !rAl8Mz2mp2 No.10321265]

>>10319245
I read it as a sort of companion piece to By Night in Chile. The political amorality of literature is something that's interested Bolaño after seeing how undisturbed the literati were during the Pinochet regime

[Anonymous No.10321360]

>>10321265
Hi there!
You seem to have made a bit of a mistake in your post. Luckily, the users of 4chan are always willing to help you clear this problem right up! You appear to have used a tripcode when posting, but your identity has nothing at all to do with the conversation! Whoops! You should always remember to stop using your tripcode when the thread it was used for is gone, unless another one is started! Posting with a tripcode when it isn't necessary is poor form. You should always try to post anonymously, unless your identity is absolutely vital to the post that you're making!
Now, there's no need to thank me - I'm just doing my bit to help you get used to the anonymous image-board culture!

[Anonymous No.10321940]

>>10306087

[Anonymous No.10322324]

>>10316971
mfw my Portuguese teacher forcefully made me read it and now i hate Brazilian literature. Even my gringo friends say im missing alot.

[Anonymous No.10322637]

>>10309102
>>10309108

That's the same guy who made the Rimbaud, Shakespeare and Tolstoy posts

[Anonymous No.10323035]

>>10309244
fucking fool

[Anonymous No.10323792]

>>10316976
>I think the most essential would be "One Hundred Years of Solitude" and "The Posthumous Memoirs of Bras Cubas", so you could get the feel of both spanish and portuguese literature.

this

Also: El Señor Presidente, Pedro Páramo, La Muerte de Artemio Cruz, and La ciudad y los perros and Grande Sertão: Veredas

[Anonymous No.10323813]

>>10314809

[Anonymous No.10323902]

>>10305809
Clarice Lispector and Machado de Assis are some of the greatest in general, in my opinion. Borges is great too

[Anonymous No.10324293]

>>10323792

nice options

[Anonymous No.10324578]

>>10316728
Li um pouco desse 'A Sombra sobre o Trono' e fiquei impressionado com a qualidade, pretendo comprar e ler também, gostei muito mesmo do que li até agora. Qual é a sua idade?

[Anonymous No.10325887]

>>10324578
Muito obrigado, Anon: fico honrado em ouvir isso. Eu tenho 30 anos. Comecei esta última peça com 27 e terminei este ano. A peça anterior eu comecei com 18 anos e terminei com 25: tive muita dificuldade, naquela época, em achar tempo para escrever pois tinha trabalho e faculdade, e geralmente só me sobrava tempo nos finais de semana. Mas uma vez mais eu lhe agradeço pela gentileza: significa muito.

[Anonymous No.10326846]

Bump

[Anonymous No.10327597]

>>10323792
>La Muerte de Artemio Cruz

This one is based on Citizen Kane

[Anonymous No.10328579]

>>10305957

Great critic, shit writer.

[Anonymous No.10328762]

>>10309231

Is that a male hue?

[Anonymous No.10328940]

>>10307148
Add Herberto Sales, Graciliano Ramos and, mainly, Bruno Tolentino to the gems list

[Anonymous No.10328950]

>>10307486
Lispector is also overrated in Brazil, Cecilia Meireles>>>Lispector

[Anonymous No.10328963]

>>10307486
>>10328950

And add Suassuna too, his last work is going to be published in a few days

[Anonymous No.10328976]

>>10328940
>Bruno Tolentino

semi-good writer; shit person

[Anonymous No.10328990]

>>10314809

[Anonymous No.10329070]

>>10328963
How's Suassuna overrated you little piece of shit?

[Anonymous No.10329087]

>>10307385
Guimarães Rosa is full of northern slangs and other outdated setences that doesn't even make sense to most brazilians nowadays, you might be able to understand the book, but it'll take a long time until you get used to the 'nothern dialect' and it would require a dictionary (or always consulting the internet).

[Anonymous No.10329253]

What about good contemporary authors?

I only know the brazilians one, I liked the books that I read from José Luiz Passos, Ricardo Lísias and Vanessa Barbara.

[Anonymous No.10329296]

>>10329070
I just tagged the wrong comment, anon, calm down

[Anonymous No.10330937]

Bump

[Anonymous No.10331044]

Dalton Trevisan is a reclusive, hidden gem of southern Brazil. Read this if you want to see one the best living short history writer.

[Anonymous No.10331447]

>>10331044
Never heard of him. Is he a lefty?

[Anonymous No.10331528]

>>10307495
This hack is always mentioned, but nobody talks about Alejo Carpentier, the true genious of Latam literature.

[Anonymous No.10332154]

>>10305809
>a young Clarice Lispector will never be your girlfriend

[Anonymous No.10332258]

Jorge Amado

[Anonymous No.10332297]

>>10306106
Mutis is shit

[Anonymous No.10332314]

>>10309735
>Jattin
>de Greiff
My nigga

[Anonymous No.10332379]

>>10332258
If I wanted a overrated commie I would pick Saramago instead.

[Anonymous No.10332426]

>>10332379
Saramago is not overrated, calling everyone that has a different political opinion than you 'overrated' makes you look extremely dumb and childish.

[Anonymous No.10332612]

>>10331447
impossible to know. He gave like 2 interviews in his lifetime, one of which was a "bait", the interviewer recorded and published without Trevisan's agreement. He actually is from my city, I've seen him near a classic bookstore

he is pretty much a brazilian pynchon. If you approach him, he will say you are mistaken and that he is not dalton trevisan.

he is like 90

[Anonymous No.10332790]

>>10332612
Well, if he was really that good on the point of you comparing him to Pynchon, don't you think he would already be pretty succesful by now, even if it's just in Brazil? There are two possible explanations here mate, either he's not as good as you think he is or he's an incomprehensible genius that we'll only truly understand in the far future. I believe in the first option, to be honest with you pal.

[Anonymous No.10332837]

>>10332790
I meant pynchon as in an old ass reclusive writer.

[Anonymous No.10332846]

>>10331044
>>10332612
This guy seems interesting. Unfortunatly only one of his works was translated into English (O Vampiro de Curitiba) and another one into German (A Guerra Conjugal). Have you read these? Do you think they're worthwile in translation?

[Anonymous No.10332888]

>>10332837
Ok, but c'mon mate, my point still stands, if he's as good as you claim, why is it that only you and a handful of people ever heard of him? I even surprised to read he has translations.

[Anonymous No.10332939]

>>10332888
I don't know what to tell you my friend. It was not me who claimed he is great or whatever, though I really like him, but are you seriously right now? Don't know if you are american or brazilian or whatever, but seriously, you don't know why a very reclusive, brazilian writer isn't famous?

Guimarães Rosa, for instance, I honestly believe he is much better than a lot of writers praised here, and one of his book was selected by an international organization among the 100 greatest books ever written. Even with that, even Guimarães knowing +10 languages, even being a diplomat, a consul in Hamburg he is not fucking known at all here, with few exceptions of people that lurk this kinds of thread. And you wonder why such a reclusive guy that never appeared in the media, that barely has any pictures online, from brazil, is not known?

[Anonymous No.10332983]

>>10332939
Wow, wow why are you so angry? Is it because I thrown some truths about your favorite shitty writer? It doesn't matter how reclusive one is, if his work is worthy then he will be known and recognized sooner or later, and your little writer (what's his name again) isn't even famous in his own country. How can I believe he's good if he can't even manage to make success or be recognized in a shitty country (literary speaking) like Brazil?

[Anonymous No.10333041]

>>10332939
Don't answer this piece of shit #10332983, it's not worth the effort.

Answer my question pls >>10332846.

[Anonymous No.10333049]

>>10333041
Wow, what the fuck? Why am I a piece of shit? Just because I'm questioning why this unknown guy is considered a 'genius' by that other anon? Can't you guys deal with confrontation, bunch of pussies?

[Anonymous No.10333061]

>>10332983
I am not angry at all, you are just being blind. Do you think a lot people read these days? I can assure you the majority of people who care about literature in brazil is familiar with Trevisan, having read him or not.

>shitty country (literary speaking) like Brazil?
to each his own my friend, we don't have a big tradition, but we have great literature, and you are entitled your opinion, although you very likely have read none of it.

>Is it because I thrown
I don't even know if you are just a brazilian monkey baiting my ass with that horrible english. Why don't you tell me where you are from?

[Anonymous No.10333081]

>>10333061
I'm from France, mate. What are you gonna insult me with now? My country destroy yours in literature and I can cite dozens of french contemporary writers better and more famous the the shits you've said.

You guys are pathetic, I was just asking for reasons why this unknown brazilian writer is considered a 'genius' and all you give me are ad hominem and insult to me and my english.

[Anonymous No.10333135]

>>10333049
>one the best living short history writer.
>so claimed "Genius"
you are the one implying he is a genius. I didn't post that, but it is not absurd to claim he may actually be one of the greatest short story writers that are ALIVE, considering the quality of "literature" today.

>>10333041
I believe that yes, it is worthy to read him just to try something new alone. His books are mostly short stories so its not a big effort too. His writing is often very erotic, sometimes even pornographic, although it is not fair to put his works as erotic, he is just the portraying cotidian lives, in a raw way, with a consistent and solid prose, especially the lives of those in his city, and he does it with mastery. When he wrote O vampiro de Curitiba he already had 60 years of writing. Like every translation, it probably loses some quality, although I haven't read anything by him translated to english.

So my final word is: yes, I think it is very worthy. Maybe try and find it online and read one of the short stories, see what you think.

>>10333049
>>10332983
Trevisan has won several awards in brazil and portugal, and among academics, it wouldn't be a very much bold claim that he is the biggest brazilian short story writer of the 20th century

[Anonymous No.10333156]

>>10333081
jesus christ, I gave you honest answers my nigga, and I gave you clear examples. I never said Trevisan was a genius, and how in the fuck can you claim Guimarães Rosa is a shitty writer? I already said brazil has no literary tradition, what else do you want for me? To say french has much more quality writers is obviously a fact, but to shit on the guys I named without doing a 5min research is plain retarded.

Ok, go ahead if you want, name the dozen contemporary writers who are as aclaimed as Rosa, I'll wait.

[Anonymous No.10333230]

Borges, Daniel Sada and Cesar Vallejo.

[Anonymous No.10333296]

>>10333081
>>10333049
>>10332983
and just one more thing, friend
your tactic of
>Its ok for me to insult me, but the moment he insults me back he is very rude and I'll attack him for it
is a bitch ass tactic.

also, you just proved the thing I said >>10332939 about being hard to be recognized especially because he is from south america (which has not a great literary tradition). You ask me how a great writer cannot get his deserved recognition, this
>Is it because I thrown some truths about your favorite shitty writer?
>My country destroy yours in literature [...] more famous the the shits you've said.
is how they are not recognized. Because you have a strong ass prejudice and cannot accept the fact that such country/continent can produce great literature. You don't know the guys I named, you haven't done any research, and still, you are ready to call them shit. For all you know, brazilians may have wonderful literature, you'll never know it because you are not willing to try it.

[Anonymous No.10333319]

>>10333296
>Its ok for me to insult him*, but the moment he insults me back he is very rude and I'll attack him for it

[Anonymous No.10333331]

>>10333135
Sounds good to me, thanks. There's some very cheap used copies on amazon, so I think I'll go for it. Also:
>Prémio Camões winner in 2012
Can't really go wrong with this, I guess.

[Anonymous No.10333373]

>>10333331
I find his works especially (I don't like much this word but) 'comfy', because there are quite a bit of references of places in Curitiba, his and mine city, so I always get some images in my head when going walking by some of those locations. He kinds of take things from the atmosphere of the city and gives it a universal meaning.

always hope to see him when I pass by his house, though I rarely go to that region, but have never seen 1 motion

[Anonymous No.10333413]

>>10333373
>Curitiba, his and mine city, so I always get some images in my head when going walking by some of those locations.
That's pretty awesome desu. Wish I could have this experience as well (at all).
So, I just actually just ordered the translation of A Guerra Conjugal, hope the delivery doesn't take to long.

[Anonymous No.10333437]

WTF was this mate? Insulting writers that he doesn't know nothing about.
Anyway, three writers that I like and recommend to you guys are; Rubem Fonseca, Dalton Trevisan and Raduan Nassar. Also, there is this guy called Daniel Galera, I think three or four books was published in English language. He's influenced by Pynchon, Bolãno and DFW.

[Anonymous No.10333463]

>>10333413
I don't know if this is you >>10332846 who mentioned german. Are you german? just curiosity.
And yea, for me Curitiba is to Trevisan what Dublin is to Joyce, which is my favorite writer. A fun fact is that I also talked with a polish guy here on /lit/ I guess a month ago, and he too, ordered one of Trevisan's books. I wonder if he enjoyed it, if he did read it.

>>10333437
have you read any works of this Galera guy? not familiar. Any recs on where to start with him?

[Anonymous No.10333472]

>>10327597
Artemio Cruz is most definetely inspired by Faukner's As I Lay Dying. I think Fuentes admitted it himself. Faulkner greatly influenced the Latin American Boom.

[Anonymous No.10333495]

>>10333463
Yes I have read A Cordilheira, I don't know the English title. But a nice book, it's his first book if I'm not wrong, it's definetly the best book to start with. But his most famous book it's Barba Ensopada de Sangue, Blood-Drenched Beard it's the english title, I didn't read it, but I always hear good things about this book.

[Anonymous No.10333544]

>>10333495
shit, was reading the wiki page of Galera, just realized the trainspotting and porno by irvine welsh that I read was translated by him. nice, will certainly check his works

[Anonymous No.10333621]

>>10333463
Yes, I'm >>10332846 and I'm German. Delivery will probably take a couple of days, so I don't think I can tell in this thread how I liked the book. But maybe in another South America, short story or currently reading thread sometime in december.
I'll shill it when I like it!

[Anonymous No.10333678]

>>10333621
yeah its fine. really hope you enjoy it anon, good reading

[Anonymous No.10333704]

>>10333678
Cheers! Send Senhor Trevisan my regards!

[Anonymous No.10333873]

>>10309244
Guaranteed replies

[Anonymous No.10333912]

>>10328762
Traps weren't invented yet when she was alive.

[Anonymous No.10334103]

>>10333912
She looks like velma from the scooby doo movie.
>>10333621
You being german kinda reminded me of a very interesting brazilian book, Canaã, it takes place in a german colony in Espírito Santo and talks about the mixture of races and cultures there, there's even a proto-nazi guy in like the 1890's.
It's a very neat read and for a german it must be specially intriguing.

[Anonymous No.10335227]

Bump

[Anonymous No.10335409]

>>10333704
just one more thing friend, if you are interested in modernism maybe you should try the devil to pay in the backlands by Rosa, it is a wonderful book and there is a fun fact: Rosa exchanged letters with Curt Meyer-Clason, the german translator of it, and helped him translate his own book to german (since he was fluent). He didnt ask for 100% fidelity to the original, he asked for constant re-creation, because for him, doing a book translation is itself an own form of making literature. He also did this with the spanish translator, so I believe it could be a goos read in german.

[Anonymous No.10335431]

>>10305809
South America has to be one of the most pointless countries in the history of mankind. I never hear about it yet it's fucking huge.

[Anonymous No.10335437]

>>10335431
why do you feel the need to post shit like this? this is literature board, if you want to say south america is a shithole just go to /pol/ or /int/

[Anonymous No.10335559]

I'm surprised no one talked about the South American Edgar Allan Poe, Horacio Quiroga, a man that does not only represent uruguayan or argentinian culture, but the whole "Gaúcho" people. I recommend the short story The Decapitated Chicken, here you can see the maestry of his conduction of the horror genre that, personally, I find very original and fresh, even with the Poe comparisons.

Also, his life strongly reverberated through his work in the most fascinating way. First, when he was only a baby, his father was accidentally killed when a shotgun went off on a family outing. Later his step-father shot himself, and in 1902 Quiroga accidentally shot and killed one of his best friends and literary companions. In 1915 his first wife, unable to endure the hardships of life in the jungle of northern Argentina, where Quiroga insisted on living, committed suicide by taking a fatal dose of poison, leaving the widower with two small children to raise. Then, Quiroga himself, when he realized he was incurably ill with cancer, took his own life. This is a man that fought his whole life against the triviality of death, not accepting its randomness to the end, and wrote this struggle in his books.

[Anonymous No.10335661]

>>10309231
She being admired today is just sad, there's really no one better to honor?

[Anonymous No.10335763]

>>10334103
Appreciate it, thanks anon!
>>10335409
Huh weird, I literally talked about that book and its German translation with a Brazilian a couple of weeks ago in another thread. Because he mentioned it as one of his top 3 books of the year (iirc) and I thought it sounded interesting and asked about it. Also discussed Berlin Alexanderplatz in that context.

[Anonymous No.10336025]

>>10335559
>How not to use guns, a novel by Horacio Quiroga.

jokes aside, what a hardship. No plans of reading him in the near future, but now I already know him. Some day I will read him, thanks for sharing.


>>10335763
ayy lmao, that brazilian was me. I found Berlin Alexanderplatz to buy, only in english though, but as it was written in german english translation is a better idea than getting a portuguese one I guess. Haven't bought it yet but will soon. It is the second "similar" (as in a lot of focus on where the novel takes place) to Ulysses in my booklist, the other one being Petersburg by Andrei Bely.

See you around mein freund

[Anonymous No.10336085]

>>10335661
I agree she's a bad poet. Same with Leminski. But most people are stupid, so it's not wonder they're popular.

[Anonymous No.10336294]

>>10336025
Ha, I suspected that! Add John Dos Passos' Manhatten Transfer to that list.

See you around Curitibanon

[Anonymous No.10336307]

Is there a good Brazilian poet currently active (or a Brazilian writer with poetic language)?

[Anonymous No.10337411]

>>10336307
after ferrera gullar died, no.

[Anonymous No.10338071]

>>10337411
Let us hope that the gods of poetry are preparing a surprise for us.

[Anonymous No.10339714]

Machado de Assis faggots

[Anonymous No.10340273]

>>10339714
>much ado of asses, faggots

[Anonymous No.10340475]

>>10339714
assis is good, but realism is not my shit, nor is romance

the one i really liked was memórias póstumas, quincas borba and dom casmurro not so much

[Anonymous No.10341759]

>>10340475
I like his short stories, mainly O Espelho, but his novels detract the attention of his other works

[Anonymous No.10341805]

>>10341759
I agree, have yet to read those, also his less known novels. I actually have a volume of lots of plays by him, I should read that,

[Anonymous No.10341836]

>>10305809
Based Rulfo.

[Anonymous No.10342861]

>>10335431
>mfw france is literally in South America (French Guyana) and thus has one of the world's most respected cultures.