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>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 15 18:09:36 2017 No.10273301 what's out?

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 15 18:12:22 2017 No.10273318 Why do you not like the Dune series? God Emperor is the best science fiction.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 15 18:14:04 2017 No.10273323 >>10273270 Best Star Wars books like Star Wars: Dawn of the Jedi and The lost tribe of the sith? I'm looking for stuff not based on movies or video games. I polluted this board with a thread just for this question then got called a retard.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 15 18:25:40 2017 No.10273372 >>10273270 What's this image supposed to convey?

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 15 18:30:17 2017 No.10273391 Brandon Sanderson is a great author.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 15 19:03:39 2017 No.10273500 two questions /sffg/: >is asking/paying my younger cousins to read my YA novel a good idea or a bad one >how much time and money does it cost to go to a print shop and print out 150 pages of text?

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 15 19:06:49 2017 No.10273509 File: 15 KB, 806x88, Screenshot_3.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Why is wheel of time so hated? It's an amazing series.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 15 19:08:09 2017 No.10273516 Fuck all of you the ending to Oathbreaker was hype.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 15 19:43:23 2017 No.10273629 There is any other desktop reader as good as the firefox one? I mean i read it directly in the firefox, because it isnt too zoomed and neither too small.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 15 19:49:18 2017 No.10273650 >buy a fantasy book that has a fantasy creature on the cover >friend looks at it with dissapointment >informs me he’d rather read “more productive” books like investing, business, etc. what do you think? is he right?

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 15 19:51:44 2017 No.10273660 >>10273650 He's a pompous ass. Let him get lost in the rat race.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 15 19:51:52 2017 No.10273661 I hate this feminist nonsense where women can fight men because they are powered by magic or w/e

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 15 19:54:31 2017 No.10273674 >>10273661 That's better than women fighting men double their size with no help from magic or technology at all.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 15 19:54:52 2017 No.10273679 What would you guys say are the most overused tropes in sci-fi books? I'm thinking of writing a sci-fi book but I would like to know what to avoid while writing.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 15 19:59:00 2017 No.10273698 what's this shit about having to read edgedancer before oathbringer?

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 15 19:59:57 2017 No.10273704 THE END OF Book Three of THE STORMLIGHT ARCHIVE what a silly autistic book

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 15 20:03:13 2017 No.10273713 >>10273679 Pretentiousness and self-seriousness.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 15 20:04:11 2017 No.10273717 What's the consensus on the Halo books then?

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 15 20:05:06 2017 No.10273722 >>10273713 How is writing pretentious?

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 15 20:06:24 2017 No.10273724 >>10273722 The fuck are you talking about? He asked what are overused tropes in sci-fi to avoid and I said pretentiousness and self-seriousness. You need to work on that reading comprehension.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 15 20:08:43 2017 No.10273733 >>10273724 Calm down sperg. I am just asking what makes writing come off as pretentious. No need to fly off the handle.

Anonymous Wed Nov 15 20:14:16 2017 No.10273746

>>10273733
>what makes writing come off as pretentious
Do you not know what 'pretentious' means?

>attempting to impress by affecting greater importance, talent, culture, etc., than is actually possessed.

If you need an example in the form of a novel I suggest you read The Prince of Nothing series.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 15 20:17:30 2017 No.10273757 >>10273746 I know what pretentious means I just always thought saying something was pretentious just stemmed from the reader disliking the higher thought of a book or series. Almost as if it wasn't a valid criticism

Anonymous Wed Nov 15 20:19:48 2017 No.10273762

>>10273679
>I'm thinking of writing a sci-fi book but I would like to know what to avoid while writing.
if you're new to writing, then it literally doesn't matter because whatever you write will likely be terrible regardless. stop worrying about being a special snowflake and just write. you need to focus on volume and getting used to the writing process.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 15 20:27:01 2017 No.10273788 >>10273717 Ehhhh as long as you like the games, then the extra lore is enjoyable. I suppose not playing the games, the books are still really good for a casual read

Anonymous Wed Nov 15 20:33:58 2017 No.10273819

You know I hated the love triangle subplot in Oathbringer, but if Sanderson was going to resolve it the way he did, why the fuck did it exist in the first place? They didn't get any narrative out of it in the end, and I don't imagine it being revisited with how they closed up all the ends so tightly.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 15 20:38:00 2017 No.10273842 >>10271655 I know you are joking, but there are people that unironically think this. I actually know one of them in real life.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 15 20:46:58 2017 No.10273891 >navani follows up an arched eyebrown with a roll of the eyes how will dalinar ever recover?

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 15 20:47:03 2017 No.10273892 Is Dresden Files the Big Bang Theory of fantasy schlock?

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 15 21:03:28 2017 No.10273969 >>10273892 Dear God no. It isn't THAT bad.

Anonymous Wed Nov 15 21:10:14 2017 No.10274002
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>>10273509
>wheel of time
>hated
The series has its fair share of detractors for sure. Even the fans will agree that parts of the series are an absolute slog to get through (Crossroads of Twilight for example) and some anons on /sffg/ really don't like the Sanderson books but I wouldn't say they are hated here.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 15 21:18:31 2017 No.10274030 Oathbringer was great, but Words of Radiance was better. Need to reread part 5, my hype was too high. >>10273819 Have to agree. Basically the entire book I forgot it existed except when it was specifically brought up.

Anonymous Wed Nov 15 21:23:14 2017 No.10274049

>>10274030
Parts 2 through 4 were kind of a slog for me. Shallan and Kaladin retread a lot of ground on their character development, and the traveling group through Kholinar and Shadesmar just went so fucking slowly. I did enjoy the opening and the closing of Oathbringer, but it's probably my least favourite of the three Stormlight books so far.

Dalinar and the Bridge Four chapters were great though.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 15 21:24:17 2017 No.10274052 File: 797 KB, 1000x562, Stop picking my brain.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10273679 You picked us clean last thread.

Anonymous Wed Nov 15 21:27:54 2017 No.10274069

>>10274049
I still prefer it to Way of Kings, but agree with most else of what you said.

Flipping to random parts of a book, come across Wit being aghast at the possibility of skipping boring parts of a story, sorry bro that's what I'm going to be doing

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 15 21:32:35 2017 No.10274095 FUCK OFF WITH SANDERSON KEK SUCKERS

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 15 21:37:55 2017 No.10274128 File: 898 KB, 1258x936, shallan.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] unbuttons safehand

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 15 21:39:08 2017 No.10274136 File: 33 KB, 600x600, 8de68e5c54463fab1208cb4fb6e0c3d3--leather-driving-gloves-motorcycle-gloves.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] would this be the equivalent of a Vorin gimpsuit?

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 15 21:39:22 2017 No.10274138 >>10274002 How dark is this series?

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 15 21:42:37 2017 No.10274157 >>10274138 raises eyebrow crosses hands beneath breasts Blood and ashes!

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 15 21:43:54 2017 No.10274167 >>10273509 Give me a rundown of The Wheel of Time

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 15 21:45:00 2017 No.10274172 >>10274138 NTR in every book

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 15 21:50:49 2017 No.10274210 All modern fantasy will have normalized faggotry huh

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 15 21:52:15 2017 No.10274224 >>10274210 >normalised >when there is another culture (Azir) that outright has forcing gays to wear female clothes and take a subservient female role as a social policy

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 15 22:14:01 2017 No.10274319 >>10274210 the slippery slope aint real goy.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 15 22:27:20 2017 No.10274364 >>10274172 Sounds awful

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 15 22:27:35 2017 No.10274366 >>10274095 yeah, only dusty old bargain bin sci-fi allowed!!!

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 15 22:34:11 2017 No.10274400 After finishing the golden compass, should I read Earthsea, Garden's of the Moon, or Mort first?

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 15 22:43:31 2017 No.10274442 >>10274400 Are you talking about Northern Lights? If so you should read The Subtle Knife next. Or are you talking about His Dark Materials series as a whole?

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 15 23:02:52 2017 No.10274522 >>10274400 Malazan is autistic and Earthsea isn't

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 15 23:06:20 2017 No.10274533 File: 5 KB, 120x120, gigalie.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] What the fuck was Mawhrin-Skel's problem

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 15 23:07:29 2017 No.10274536 UNITE THEM

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 15 23:09:11 2017 No.10274547 >>10274533 SC are shady fucks, basically.

Anonymous Wed Nov 15 23:10:43 2017 No.10274556
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>part two
>Oathbringer epigraphs were a waste of fucking time
>this epigraph starting off needlessly slow
>Shallan chapters make me want to stick my dick in a blender

>>10274400
The Book of Dust is out but obviously read the next two books in the series, faggot.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 15 23:16:20 2017 No.10274568 >>10274556 >Shallan chapters make me want to stick my dick in a blender Retard-kun, her chapters are much more interesting. Dalinar's chapters made me want to stick my dick in two blenders simultaneously

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 15 23:17:39 2017 No.10274574 I skipped all the "20 years ago" segments Also all the interludes

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 15 23:18:32 2017 No.10274577 >>10274574 I skipped the entire book desu

Anonymous Wed Nov 15 23:18:50 2017 No.10274579
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>>10274568
Sorry bro I couldn't read your post behind all that blushing.

>>10274574
Yeah I'm not enjoying the Dalinar flashbacks either. I don't like young Dalinar. I'm only interested for whenever he visits the Nightwatcher.

>skipping the Interludes

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 15 23:19:51 2017 No.10274583 >>10274579 shallan is black?

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 15 23:24:02 2017 No.10274600 >>10274583 shalash is the Herald shallan was named after, most of them are kangz

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 15 23:25:47 2017 No.10274604 File: 242 KB, 500x381, 1500880750012.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] When will Dalinar SHUT THE FUCK UP.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 15 23:30:29 2017 No.10274624 Are any of Yahtzee Croshaw's books a good read?

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 15 23:40:29 2017 No.10274656 >>10274624 His short story in Machine of Death was good, but I'd be surprised if his style translated well to a full novel.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 15 23:43:22 2017 No.10274666 >>10274128 lewd

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 15 23:44:39 2017 No.10274674 >there are people itt right now who already finished Sanderson's 60hr tome

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 15 23:46:36 2017 No.10274684 >>10274674 truly a special kind of autism

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 15 23:50:57 2017 No.10274698 >>10274556 Who is ishi? Is he floating or using some form of lashing?

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 15 23:54:32 2017 No.10274711 >>10274604 >Sabrina Salem fag is back Man I remember when I wanted to fuck Sabrina's THICC aunt as a kid.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 15 23:57:19 2017 No.10274721 >>10274684 >>10274674 It's to be expected when they skip chapters, skim, speed read. When you discuss something, they ask what you talking about.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 15 23:57:39 2017 No.10274723 File: 159 KB, 740x925, Vedeledev.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10274698 Ishar.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 00:05:34 2017 No.10274744 >>10273270 > last The Lies of Locke Lamora Scott Lynch > current Red Seas under Red Skies Scott Lynch > next Oathbringer Brandon Sanderson

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 00:31:01 2017 No.10274810 To the sanderson fags. Does Dalinar's memory about his dead parents wife return in this novel? Or do I have to wait for the end of his ten book series? (will an hero long before then)

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 00:31:16 2017 No.10274812 >>10274167 What specifically? it's a huge series.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 00:32:33 2017 No.10274815 >>10274723 Whi is ishar? The crazy king?

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 00:32:58 2017 No.10274816 >>10274674 I would have but I'm waiting for it to come out in trade paperback.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 00:34:25 2017 No.10274822 Recommend me some good "Gothic" fantasy; something that gets philosophical at times, preferably something with good prose.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 00:37:52 2017 No.10274830 >>10274822 >google gothic fiction vooks2 >can't read it all

Anonymous Thu Nov 16 00:38:17 2017 No.10274831

I'm a virgin to genre fiction. I'm free from "cliches"; I can't care about something copying Tolkien with elves dwarfs orcs and shit, cause Tolkien is pretty much my only experience with that stuff. Same with whichever other cliches exist.

Show me the way.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 00:41:47 2017 No.10274844 >>10274831 So what, you want fantasy? High fantasy? Would you prefer something short or something really, really long? Complete story or in progress? Dark and gritty, maybe with some GRI, or lighter fare?

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 00:58:54 2017 No.10274899 File: 24 KB, 270x370, ouroboros.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10274831 Begin at the beginning.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 01:01:57 2017 No.10274908 What the fuck was the point of killing off kaladin like that? He's the only reason people even read the stormlight books. What the fuck.

Anonymous Thu Nov 16 01:03:46 2017 No.10274915

>>10274844
I want something particularly "Gothic". Novel-length is preferable, but anything goes. I'm not really looking for grimdark (something edgy for the sake of being edgy). Maybe something that appears light and fun on the surface, but is just a mask to a darker world. To elaborate, when i say Gothic, I mean something that explores the horror of the Unknown and the brevity of human life.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 01:05:30 2017 No.10274923 >>10274844 >>10274915 I thought you were replying to my post. Sorry, I guess I really can't read.

Anonymous Thu Nov 16 01:16:32 2017 No.10274948

>>10274915
>>10274844
Hey, you're not me; but I agree.

My point >>10274831 here, was that I want whatever is very well written, but "derated" cause it's full of cliches. Like if other books didn't exist it would be a revolutionary new work. Instead it's discarded for not being original, like at all.

Anonymous Thu Nov 16 01:19:48 2017 No.10274954
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>>10274831
>>10274915
>>10274948
There's links in the OP to charts, start there and pick one you're most interested in. This one is even a flow chart so just follow this one and then see if its what you like, if not try something else.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 01:21:24 2017 No.10274956 File: 75 KB, 227x300, r1.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Is the sequel to Forever War any good?

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 01:23:30 2017 No.10274963 >>10274954 But that chart is shit.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 01:24:56 2017 No.10274965 >>10274963 then pick one of the others, point is there are 7 dedicated lists to Fantasy and Sci Fi right there in the OP if you want to find something, esspecially if you don't provide any specifics about what you want to read.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 01:28:19 2017 No.10274976 Could someone on Roshar theoretically form a bond with Adonalsium were it unshattered and start pulling off insane levels of bullshit?

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 01:30:19 2017 No.10274979 >>10274810 Dalinar's memory completely returns.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 01:31:21 2017 No.10274981 >>10274908 Fuck Moash. >>10274976 I don't know.

Anonymous Thu Nov 16 01:42:49 2017 No.10275006

>>10274976
Shards are near-omnipotent in their solar systems. Adonalsium's domain is the entire universe, so yeah, absorbing Adonalsium would turn you into God (with the capital G).

Though keep in mind that you don't "bond" with it. Adonalsium is not a spren, nor are its splinters. They are more like mindless forces of nature driven to a certain purpose, that people fuse with. Adonalsium is the fusion of all of them.

Ruin's purpose is to decay things, Cultivation's is to grow things, Odium to discard and Honor to uphold, Autonomy to separate and Dominion to unite, Preservation to keep and Endowment to give, etc.

Anonymous Thu Nov 16 01:44:03 2017 No.10275008

>>10274167
>no swearing or graphic sex
>characters are annoying boring peasants and dont get better (despite being born with great magical ability bla bla bla)
> author has obvious creepy spanking fetish that i would be into if this was some sort of erotica but it just comes across as cringy
>shit takes insanely long to happen because the characters are fucking retards with shitty personalities and they barely grow as characters (at least they didnt in the 3 books i read)

its shit but if you can stomach it at least it will entertain you for a while.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 01:45:30 2017 No.10275013 >>10275008 Tbat spanking sounds hot af.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 01:48:42 2017 No.10275020 >>10275006 >A spren is Investiture that is alive. So they would call Nightblood a spren. That’s the word for what all of these things are. They would probably call Adonalsium a spren. t. Brandon

Anonymous Thu Nov 16 01:49:01 2017 No.10275022

>>10275013
once again, jordan writes like too much of a pussy to make it worth the slog. afaik theres only one semi graphic spanking scene in the 10 volume series(although spanking is alluded to pretty much every fucking chapter). Just read some erotica family.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 01:50:03 2017 No.10275029 >>10275020 It's still a different thing. Splinters and Adonalsium are THE investiture that is being given.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 01:50:27 2017 No.10275031 >>10275022 hnnngg any recs?

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 01:55:07 2017 No.10275055 >>10275031 i assume youre into women, in which case guy spencer or flogmaster are pretty good.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 01:57:37 2017 No.10275064 OB spoilers Where and how did Odium get an awakened dagger? Looks like it was that at least since it killed on all three Realms

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 01:57:48 2017 No.10275065 >>10275055 ill check em out. thanks.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 02:00:31 2017 No.10275073 >>10273270 >last read The Lies of Locke Lamora >currently reading Time Enough For Love >reading next Assassin's Apprentice, probably.

Anonymous Thu Nov 16 02:10:52 2017 No.10275107
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>>10273270
Hey guys i'm interested in Catherine Asaro's Skolian book, it looks about the right mix of sci and fi for me . How did you guys find it? Enjoyable? How is the length?

Anonymous Thu Nov 16 03:02:13 2017 No.10275235

>>10274674
I already read the first part before release, and I read all and pretty fast after I downloaded it. I don't have much to discuss though.

It went pretty slow at some parts, some "old" character flaws were retreaded. There were boring moments, there were ANIME moments. A lot of hype stuff has also been set up to happen in the next book.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 03:04:42 2017 No.10275242 what would happen if Odium's avatar thing picked up Nightblood? would it pull so much Investiture out that Nightblood basically becomes Odium itself?

Anonymous Thu Nov 16 03:15:18 2017 No.10275264

>>10274908
Him and Adolin have shit to do in mindspace. He'll probably get 4th level in the 4th book, 5th in the 5th, and that's supposed to be pretty cool

>>10274981
What the fuck is up with Moash... I'll take him as a bridgeman, but stay out of being an important character pls.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 03:36:29 2017 No.10275311 >>10275264 Moash could be the next Odium shardholder after Rayse

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 03:38:24 2017 No.10275315 >>10275311 Could be, but I think that's a fakeout. He's in for redemption imo. Unfortunately, kind of an undeveloped/unlikable/boring character.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 04:13:38 2017 No.10275385 File: 52 KB, 321x499, 51WczyyVQrL._SX319_BO1,204,203,200_[1].jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Is this good?

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 04:14:24 2017 No.10275388 H O L Y F U C K I just got to the part where Wit brings the sheets of metal to the soulcaster. This was a throwback to the duel between Vin and Ruin and her figuring out his weakness. Man, what a mindtrip.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 04:19:13 2017 No.10275400 >>10273270 >last read WoT 11 >currently reading WoT 12 >reading next WoT 13

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 04:23:39 2017 No.10275410 >>10275388 He just told them to Faraday shield a room... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faraday_cage

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 05:05:24 2017 No.10275497 Is there a book about how magic and powers work in the fantasy/sci-fi universe? Like a theory of it I mean, would love to read other's take on this yea.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 05:15:07 2017 No.10275520 >>10275410 Yeah but it's a faraday cage for investiture. It's fucking cool to see things that both series are in common, other than Wit.

Anonymous Thu Nov 16 05:46:01 2017 No.10275567

>>10274052
I've always felt that the original picture was misused in this meme. The image conveys the idea that the surgeon is controlling the patient like a puppet master (what with the laptop and all, and not the idea that he's reading inside the patient's brain.

Anonymous Thu Nov 16 05:47:56 2017 No.10275569

>>10274052
I've always felt that the original picture was misused in this meme. The image conveys the idea that the surgeon is controlling the patient like a puppet master (with the laptop and all), and not the idea that he's reading inside the patient's brain.

Anonymous Thu Nov 16 05:52:39 2017 No.10275576
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>Then his grandfather told him, "Many fine things your father had planned for you: learning and useful work and a life of satisfaction and peace. Do you recall this?"

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 07:28:29 2017 No.10275763 >>10274908 go fuck yourself

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 07:41:34 2017 No.10275789 In my opinion it's the Dark tower series by Stephen King

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 08:17:07 2017 No.10275888 >>10274908 >how do I spoiler.... Although I don't care about spoilers (i usually ask people to spoil me), you should be banned for that shit anon...

Anonymous Thu Nov 16 08:34:27 2017 No.10275939

>>10275385
Kind of. It has my older woman fetish fix.
The book is about New York (and a bunch of other cities around the world) being under water and the new stock market is about gambling with flood. It's economic fantasy / scifi. It has some interesting use of technology to survive in a flooded world. I would recommend(if anything I listed is what you like).

Anonymous Thu Nov 16 08:42:34 2017 No.10275949

>>10275497
You have to either read the series and work it out yourself, or read the wiki of the books where abilities and metaphysics are listed.
Recommend Sanderson, Brent Weeks. They kind of explain how their magic work.
If you too brainlet to read the book and infer the stuff on your own, use their wikis. They are popular enough to have their shit autisticly detailed on some wiki somewhere.
Although the "magic" is kind of lost when it's listed as a fucking encyclopedia entry, instead of experienced through actions.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 08:46:27 2017 No.10275954 >>10274052 Should have wrote on the laptop, "my work in progress" and somehow try to imply that it's the aspiring anon's work.

Anonymous Thu Nov 16 08:51:02 2017 No.10275968

>>10275567
...you are reading it correctly. The surgeon (aspiring author) is tweaking his patient's (sffg) brain to write his novel for him. A piece of time sffg wrote paragraphs of information for these anons. The author pushes our buttons and we write for him. Basically the meme in a nut shell. at least that is how I interpret it

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 09:54:29 2017 No.10276092 >reading Sanderson >transformation music comes on in the background >cute girl turn in a giant glowing sword Sanderson really is anime...

Anonymous Thu Nov 16 10:08:46 2017 No.10276123

>>10275968
But the idea is the least valuable part, the work of putting prose on the page is what really makes novels. Sharing ideas here is just a step above hanging out. It doesn't take any effort to make or critique ideas, it takes effort to actually tell the story start to finish.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 10:09:47 2017 No.10276124 >>10273698 You don't, nothing that happens there is important.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 10:10:41 2017 No.10276126 I want hoid to get taken down a peg.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 10:11:56 2017 No.10276129 >>10274579 >not liking RIP AND TEAR Dalinar your taste is pretty bad

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 10:13:37 2017 No.10276132 >>10275235 >ANIME moments >Szeth dives out of the sky, slicing a thunderclast in half with one stroke, to save the loli It checks out.

Anonymous Thu Nov 16 10:16:20 2017 No.10276136

>>10274979
>Stormlight can heal Dalinar's memories after a god tore them up five years ago
>can't heal Rysn's paralysis from six months ago because muh handi-capable
Not as big of a plot hole as any Alethi at all being concerned about being invaders, that's literally the point of their religion

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 10:18:07 2017 No.10276140 >>10276136 Stormlight wasnt responsible.

Anonymous Thu Nov 16 10:21:52 2017 No.10276150

>>10276140
>breathes in stormlight for the first time
>immediately remembers his wife's name
come on bruv
sure the flashbacks were all Odium but his brain being healed was what let that happen. Shallan took a crossbow to the temple to show us that Stormlight heals brain damage.

Anonymous Thu Nov 16 10:22:00 2017 No.10276151

>>10273500
>paying my younger cousins to read my YA novel
don't do this. they aren't professionals, are they? if they're fans of the genre and enjoy reading they'll jump at the chance to read your book unless you're the creepy cousin who rarely comes downstairs when family comes over

Anonymous Thu Nov 16 10:24:41 2017 No.10276158

>>10273500
also, invest in a cheap, monochrome printer if you plan on printing often. i print out all my first drafts of anything i write in order to make notes and corrections on the page. i bought a brother printer off amazon for $50 and it was well worth the investment

Anonymous Thu Nov 16 10:28:17 2017 No.10276166

>>10273650
the only people i've met who have said something like this will put down their business flavor-of-the-month after a half hour of reading and turn on reality tv. reading for entertainment is no different than watching trash tv so tell him to get fucked. unless all he does is study investing like a nerd

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 10:28:24 2017 No.10276167 >>10275939 Is it related to the "Mars Trilogy"? >It has my older woman fetish fix. My nigga.

Anonymous Thu Nov 16 10:28:26 2017 No.10276168

>>10276123
>the "help" you guys offered me wasn't really needed
>I could have done it myself
>you didn't really contribute anything to my novel
You will never be a good author. Sanderson is a multi-millionaire networth author, and he gives thanks to people. Your no good ass will ask and use help, then say you did it on your own . kys you fucking scum

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 10:29:29 2017 No.10276172 >>10274674 >60 hr Infinite Jest is 60 hr. Oathbringer is 5 hr at best.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 10:32:31 2017 No.10276176 >>10276167 Never read his mars trilogy

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 10:36:03 2017 No.10276189 File: 345 KB, 1600x1067, 1471968300267.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10276172 >Infinite Jest is 60 hr IJ is 0hrs. It's shit I wouldn't waste my time reading.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 10:37:28 2017 No.10276194 >>10276189 It's science fiction, dolt. Don't make excuses for your idiocy

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 10:41:33 2017 No.10276202 >>10276129 dalinar flashbacks unironically best thing so far

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 10:42:24 2017 No.10276203 >fuck this arches eyebrow shit >cocks eyebrow instead

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 10:48:34 2017 No.10276226 Why is Kaladin so restrained? Everyone else gets a free pass at killing and he is left a cuck. RRRRREEEE

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 10:49:59 2017 No.10276230 File: 1.71 MB, 1337x1003, 1437108447573.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10276194 Who are you trying to meme here?

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 11:21:19 2017 No.10276306 >>10276168 He also works hard instead of acting like people owe him something for making wordart memes.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 11:22:25 2017 No.10276307 File: 42 KB, 314x475, 8153991[1].jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10274002 Damn Mat looks awful in that. This is the only good art of him i ever saw.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 11:23:23 2017 No.10276309 >>10276226 his old man did a number on him

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 12:08:31 2017 No.10276446 File: 162 KB, 1280x960, 1490418514248.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10276132 We all know that's why we read this shit.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 12:35:22 2017 No.10276521 File: 2.55 MB, 640x360, 1421743584257.webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10276446 aw yeah

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 12:36:39 2017 No.10276524 >>10275888 >>10275763 >retards thinking that's actually a spoiler Seems two fresh fish fell for my carefully laid trap.

Anonymous Thu Nov 16 12:56:44 2017 No.10276585

I am reading the first book of wheel of time and there's something i dont get
why people fear so much people with heron marked swords?
i mean the queen's guards even pulled back from rand when it was showed that he posessed one.
i hope this is not spoiler

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 13:03:18 2017 No.10276612 >>10276585 Mark of a master swordsman

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 13:05:55 2017 No.10276624 >>10276612 yeah but that only means the guy has money to buy a expensive sword

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 13:19:14 2017 No.10276670 >>10276624 No because you’ll get killed by a real master if they see you with it. Only someone who earns the heron from another master gets to wear it

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 13:35:38 2017 No.10276714 File: 17 KB, 225x225, 1510341779589.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >Brandon cuts away from Vivenna right before she goes super saiyan IT'S NOT FAIR

Anonymous Thu Nov 16 13:47:34 2017 No.10276737

>>10276714
>Brandon carefully ups the tempo of the story, cutting between different scenes of despair.
>Our heroes are putting in valiant effort, but it's not enough. The tempo is frenetic, the nerves of both reader and character strained to their limits.
>Every single sentence of a scene hits with insane emotional charge. This is Brandon at this finest, the peak of his skill.
>SPEAK THE WORDS KAL!
>"I..."

"nah, don't feel like it"

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 13:52:52 2017 No.10276748 >>10276737 It was Dalinar's turn to go full anime, cut Kal some slack. At least he has his qt sword waifu.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 13:53:17 2017 No.10276749 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fk2prKnYnI

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 13:54:47 2017 No.10276754 >>10275520 Still waiting for the eventual Mistborn vs. Surgebinder vs. Awakener hell in a cell.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 13:57:26 2017 No.10276762 File: 432 KB, 2080x1316, logo_sanderson.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10276748 KALADIN & ADOLIN CUTE SWORD WAIFU ARC NEXT SEASON OR ELSE!

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 14:04:29 2017 No.10276782 >>10276150 Cultivation specifically tells him that his memory will return, familia. She planned for it. It's not comparable to a simple physical injury.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 14:17:06 2017 No.10276812 >>10275939 Is it environmentally preachy?

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 14:29:13 2017 No.10276847 >tattersail, hairlock, whiskeyjack, nightchill, etc. seriously? did I just get memed into reading a 13 year old's fantasy novel?

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 14:31:23 2017 No.10276858 >>10276847 >americans talks about naming convention Edition

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 14:35:10 2017 No.10276870 >>10276737 I'm pretty sure the next words are something like "I will accept the losses in those I can't save"

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 14:38:20 2017 No.10276882 If the audiobook isn't up by tommorow night I'm actually thinking of buying it. Or wait, can I sneak it off an Audible trial?

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 14:39:04 2017 No.10276888 How can the other Stormlight girls even hope to compete with Syl?

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 14:39:21 2017 No.10276891 >>10276882 The Oathbringer audibook that is

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 14:41:55 2017 No.10276905 >>10276888 They’re big enough to take a dick?

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 14:42:07 2017 No.10276906 >>10276891 http://audiobookbay.nl/audio-books/oathbringer-brandon-sanderson/ been posted two days ago.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 14:43:42 2017 No.10276909 File: 2.66 MB, 3968x2976, IMG_20171113_234105.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10276905 >Hasn't met life-sized Syl in little red dress I have hope that man-spren marriage will be legal in the end

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 14:43:54 2017 No.10276911 >>10276906 Thank you! >have to make an account Mind posting the magnet link?

Anonymous Thu Nov 16 14:44:41 2017 No.10276913

>>10276911
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>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 14:46:19 2017 No.10276916 >>10276913 I fucking love you, anon. Thanks a bunch.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 14:46:38 2017 No.10276918 >>10273661 >I hate this feminist nonsense where women can fight men because they have a gun i hate feminist bullshit too but come on man force multiplication is a thing

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 14:46:46 2017 No.10276920 >>10276847 Malazan is a fucking trap. GotM was fucking awful.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 14:50:35 2017 No.10276931 File: 86 KB, 476x708, ACOSCover.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10276307 all the book art is really shit from what i'm guessing are the first publications, your looks really nice

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 14:52:55 2017 No.10276939 >>10275064 Might be a Dawnshard, we still have no idea what those are

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 14:57:08 2017 No.10276954 File: 1.18 MB, 800x1149, Ta'veren.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10276931 The only cover I like is the first one. This one's pretty nice as well

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 14:58:16 2017 No.10276956 >>10276307 >>10276931 Ah, so it's people like you we have to thank for current cover trends. This is not a world in which I wish to live.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 14:58:36 2017 No.10276959 >>10276956 >not judging books by their covers

Anonymous Thu Nov 16 15:00:19 2017 No.10276967
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>yfw Cultivation planted the flawed Diagram in Taravangian because she knew Odium was shit at seeing the future and it's going to bite him in the ass
She's playing 11 dimensional Mikado.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 15:02:59 2017 No.10276978 >>10276959 Ah, but I do senpai. I do.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 15:05:03 2017 No.10276986 >>10276978 Oh, I see. Carry on.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 15:14:37 2017 No.10277017 >>10276954 this is the best cover ever why do fanarts dont depict rand as he is in this picture? its way better than with that gigner-gay tone they paint him. Also he looks like a prussian prince

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 15:15:58 2017 No.10277024 >>10277017 >this is the best cover ever i don't think it's actually a cover, just fan art.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 15:18:25 2017 No.10277030 >>10277024 yeah i know, but every other fanart i've seen is shit compared to this one >tfw free fanarts are more beatful than covers which the artists were paid to draw

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 15:21:44 2017 No.10277042 I'll never forgive Jordan for dying before writing those sequels about Mat and Furtona reclaiming Seanchan

Anonymous Thu Nov 16 15:23:00 2017 No.10277052

>>10276909
The honorspren mentioned that if they achieved the 5th level of bond then if one died the other would too.

The Skybreakers said that there hasn't been a 5th level Skybreaker for hundreds of years.

Seems like getting an advanced bond like that is a big deal. Kaladin's doing it for sure though. Maybe in the 5th book.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 15:23:23 2017 No.10277055 File: 2.67 MB, 4804x1011, robertjordanbs_wheeloftime1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10277030 the old fires of heaven and lord of chaos are laughably bad

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 15:25:26 2017 No.10277062 >>10277055 >the alternate cover for The Dragon Reborn nice

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 15:27:47 2017 No.10277070 File: 36 KB, 450x450, 03a1a0df-3f40-4e0c-bed7-76e83dbc6c56_1.ad3779b78a3cd9865a333b52206586eb.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10277062 reminded me somewhat of pic related

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 15:42:29 2017 No.10277116 >>10277055 After reading eye of the world should i go for the hunt or for the new spring

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 15:44:58 2017 No.10277125 >>10277116 Read in publication order.

Anonymous Thu Nov 16 16:03:37 2017 No.10277182

>>10276967
If I recall, the current storyline is planned to end in the 5th book and the following 5 cover a whole different story in the same setting with some same characters, right?

Cultivation is probably going to be the antagonist of the second half.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 16:04:46 2017 No.10277184 Nightblood did nothing wrong

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 16:22:38 2017 No.10277245 >>10277182 But she's already the antagonist in the first half

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 16:35:48 2017 No.10277299 File: 40 KB, 680x680, 2ad.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >mfw reading GOR reviews on goodreads >its even more autistic than minecraft letsplay and written by the diffintion of numales

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 16:40:42 2017 No.10277321 >>10277299 >I will not be watered! Guards! Guards!

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 16:43:04 2017 No.10277331 File: 206 KB, 564x858, 6n4rskv.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10277299 my fucking sides

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 17:08:00 2017 No.10277417 >>10277331 why the fuck are sjw so dramatic >omg a sexist book >i feelt so hollow, tiny jesus christ, this is truly shameful

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 17:10:01 2017 No.10277419 >>10277417 they dont want people to have fun things. even if its imaginary things that dont hurt anyone. remember thinking the wrong way makes you worse than a pedophile or murderer these days.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 17:17:51 2017 No.10277443 >>10277331 >>10277417 I think that review is a joke...

Anonymous Thu Nov 16 17:18:08 2017 No.10277444

>>10276870
Watch him make up his own words where he doesn't have to do that.

>>10276762
>longer Shadesmar arc with more naval pirate battle action
>just Kaladin and Syl and Adolin's horrific maimed sword spirit while he's trying to sort out his vows
>cutesy deito and dinner scenes all over the place

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 17:19:11 2017 No.10277450 >>10276782 yeah because she knows the Radiants are coming back because she has prophecy, the mechanism was still Stormlight

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 17:19:43 2017 No.10277451 >>10277443 i thought so too. then i realized theres people that really think that way.

Anonymous Thu Nov 16 17:21:57 2017 No.10277456

>>10277450
The Nightwatcher is the one who takes away memories permanently, among other things.
Dalinar was a special case who Cultivation handled personally, and she can do whatever she wants. She groomed cultivated him for his role by removing his memories and allowing them to develop back slowly, so that Odium wouldn't be able to overwhelm him.

If she had never taken his memories he wouldn't have become anything, but if he had just gotten everything back all at once at the end he would have been too weak to stand up to Odium

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 17:22:10 2017 No.10277458 >>10277245 Popedium did nothing wrong

Anonymous Thu Nov 16 17:22:37 2017 No.10277459

>>10277331
>There's one passage where Talena, Cabot's future love interest, is actually contemptuous of him because he did not, in fact, rape her when he first captured her, as would any typical warrior of Gor.

uh i think i might need to procure a copy of this book for uh research purposes.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 17:22:40 2017 No.10277460 File: 17 KB, 798x120, wouldnot.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >oh anon, i only fucked him, you would not hold against me that i fucked a guy i will never meet again, would you?

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 17:23:42 2017 No.10277465 >>10277444 Adolin's gonna be ressing that sword waifu

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 17:26:06 2017 No.10277474 >>10277456 >grooming Was it pedophilia? >that scene where Dalinar gets thorn-raped I knew it would be anime but I didn't think it would be that anime

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 17:26:50 2017 No.10277479 >>10277459 its really fucking awful and 75%+ of the books is delusional degeneracy nonsense

Anonymous Thu Nov 16 17:27:26 2017 No.10277482

>>10277465
>Adolin abandons the whole war thing to heal Maya, with Kaladin and Syl's help
>He succeeds and lives happily ever after with her
>Kaladin and Syl also live happily ever after
>Veil goes back to stripping naked in streets and getting hammered in taverns

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 17:28:19 2017 No.10277484 >>10277479 sometimes i just need nonesense where the women are all head over heels for the protag. makes me appreciate other books more and breaks the mold.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 17:29:45 2017 No.10277490 >>10277484 its not like that its degenerate "rape-romance" stuff like that 50 shades of grey

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 17:30:22 2017 No.10277492 File: 898 KB, 500x270, ingsoc.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Anybody mind recommending something Orwellian for me? Finished 1984 a few days ago and I found dystopian literature very interesting.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 17:31:06 2017 No.10277495 >>10277490 welp. guess ill go back to fantasy novels.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 17:31:43 2017 No.10277499 >>10277492 Book of the New Sun.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 17:34:53 2017 No.10277508 >>10277482 Veil is such a fucking slut like holy shit sanderson.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 17:35:27 2017 No.10277510 >>10277492 animal farm or brave new world as the opposite of 1984 being a utopian hellscape

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 17:35:48 2017 No.10277512 >>10277490 Even if you have that fetish, it's nearly impossible to read past book 8. His stories are incredibly bad.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 17:36:21 2017 No.10277514 >>10276954 Is this Stormlight? Why does he have a shardblade? Why is he using his "awesomeness" to grow those plants?

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 17:37:28 2017 No.10277517 >>10277508 She was just a debutante before she took that crossbow bolt to the frontal lobe. https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2007/03/unfeeling-moral-choices-traced-to-damaged-frontal-lobes/

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 17:37:30 2017 No.10277518 >>10277514 wheel of time, he's not growing plants its just a glowing sword

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 17:38:52 2017 No.10277523 >>10277517 She wanted to rape Kaladin long beforw that.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 17:38:52 2017 No.10277524 >>10277512 I was trying to read for the space opera but it has basically none of that

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 17:40:33 2017 No.10277528 >>10277523 She was attracted to him but she wasn't cosmic horroring in public.

Anonymous Thu Nov 16 17:42:33 2017 No.10277535

>>10277518
>he's not growing plants
Look at the pic. Vines are growing on his boots. "awesomeness girl liked to grow vines. And it is glowing like a shardblade.

It would make sense if Sanderson got his Stormlight book idea from Jordan. Jordan was his mentor after all. And after Sanderson fucked Jordan's wife she probably encouraged him to go through with it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 17:45:14 2017 No.10277543 >>10277535 Plants growing around the king's feet is a good motif and I wish more fantasy had it. I don't know if that's what's going on in the picture though.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 18:08:48 2017 No.10277613 >>10276967 I seriously don't think that Odium is going to be the antagonist for the whole series.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 18:10:21 2017 No.10277617 >>10276909 Kaladin will absolutely retire into the Cognitive Realm and live with Syl by the end of the series. Best girl cannot be denied.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 18:13:02 2017 No.10277625 >>10277613 If he's trapped in Roshar he can't be the red stuff Sazed's fighting.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 18:13:48 2017 No.10277629 This book you guys keep going on about sounds cringeworthy and terrible

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 18:16:28 2017 No.10277644 >>10277629 There's one really good character

Anonymous Thu Nov 16 18:19:20 2017 No.10277658

>>10277543
>Plants growing around the king's feet is a good motif
Prosperity, safety and all that jazz, but this is a fantasy novel. Unless plants grow unbelievably fast in the Wheel universe, the king would have had to be standing there for a long time for them to reach that stage.
Thus my notion of magic growth stands on solid ground.

Maybe the sword encourages growth? The grass is dead-ish elsewhere, but where the sword touches the ground they are sprouting like weeds on fertilizer.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 18:20:25 2017 No.10277660 >>10277629 There are multi books we go on about. Please enlighten us as to which book you refer.

Anonymous Thu Nov 16 18:23:29 2017 No.10277668

>>10277660
He's talking about the highly anticipated, very long Sanderson book that came out this week, and he wants us to recognize how cool he is for having better taste than to even know what it's called. Everyone give that anon a round of applause for not liking popular things.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 18:26:02 2017 No.10277676 >>10277629 Yare Yare Daze tips cap

Anonymous Thu Nov 16 18:28:52 2017 No.10277680
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Why is /v/ in here anyway?
>popular thing releases
>people discuss popular thing
>"how dare you!!!11!!!!1!1!1!eleven

tfw you want to discuss the book but you're still in part two and don't want to be spoiled
I do hope they explain the exact method used to torture the Heralds on Braize also seems that with the Unmade involved and since it seems the champion already exists and has existed for a while(?), Kaladin won't actually become Odium's champion

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 18:31:17 2017 No.10277686 >>10277680 > since it seems the champion already exists and has existed for a while(?), Kaladin won't actually become Odium's champion heh

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 18:35:25 2017 No.10277698 Elhokar dying in Oathbringer broke my heart.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 18:39:30 2017 No.10277713 >>10277698 me too.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 18:41:07 2017 No.10277718 >>10277713 What order do you think Elhokar would've been a part of? Also, do we know what order Adolin is going to represent based off of the dead spren? It feels like there's enough information there but I couldn't piece it together.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 18:41:16 2017 No.10277720 >>10277668 Nice projection. I don't give a shit what you think of me. Book sounds terrible. Simple as that.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 18:45:21 2017 No.10277736 >>10277718 Apparently Brandon already told people what type she was

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 18:45:49 2017 No.10277739 Are the books from le guin's hainish cycle really that good?

Anonymous Thu Nov 16 18:46:01 2017 No.10277742

>>10276230
Infinite Jest is SCIENCE FICTION. It's literally set in a near-future society and constructs its own world in which it draws philosophical conclusions. His other books have sci fi or fantasy elements as well.

Just because you can't handle a real piece of literature doesn't mean it isn't part of the sekrit club

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 18:50:21 2017 No.10277758 >>10277720 >I don't give a shit what you think of me. Is that why you're still responding?

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 18:51:44 2017 No.10277763 >>10277739 I really liked them, especially the first three. They've got the simplicity of the early Earthsea books with the same magic anthropology I enjoyed about those. Left Hand was overrated though.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 18:52:24 2017 No.10277764 >>10277758 bitch fuck off. never respond to me again.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 18:52:53 2017 No.10277766 >>10277764 h-hayai

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 18:59:49 2017 No.10277798 >>10277742 Meanwhile Pringles Man writes real literature that's inarguably in the science fiction/fantasy tradition. Try again sweatie.

Anonymous Thu Nov 16 19:01:53 2017 No.10277807

Is this bad foreshadowing

>Near the beginning of the book character goes on a technobabble rant about studying EMPs produced by magnetized dust falling into black holes
>no mention of this idea for a few hundred pages
>in the end, defeats the magneto-like villain with the same principal on a smaller scale, knocking out his powers long enough to be shot

>>10277668
in his defense, it gets kind of exhausting when Sanderson is basically the only author we ever talk about on this damn general

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 19:04:46 2017 No.10277818 >>10277807 >implying Bakker is never the only author we talk about around his releases That gets exhausting too but we deal with it. And that is bad foreshadowing.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 19:05:55 2017 No.10277821 Who else totally thought Jasnah was going to murder her autistic cousin then level up? >implying any nu-Radiants get to die

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 19:06:09 2017 No.10277822 Anyone have suggestions for good military sci-fi with a lot of world building? I've particularly enjoyed David Weber's Multiverse books and early Honorverse as well as stuff by Scalzi.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 19:06:18 2017 No.10277824 >>10277718 Same as Lift. Didn't the description of the spren tip you off? Roots and everything.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 19:08:42 2017 No.10277834 >>10277822 The Lost Fleet is everything that's good about mil-sf.

Anonymous Thu Nov 16 19:09:21 2017 No.10277836

Vance is perfect for the low brow, in a few lines you are shown so much, there aren't any complex themes behind his works and you aren't required to pay too much attention to symbolism or subtleties
Whenever I read anything I often think, why am I not reading a Jack Vance novel instead?

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 19:09:42 2017 No.10277839 >>10277798 So we're arguing tradition now? Pathetic. IJ is sci-fi and you disliking it doesn't disqualify it. I had no clue people could be elitist about fucking Stormlight.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 19:12:47 2017 No.10277849 >>10277839 >Pringles >Stormlight you shouldn't talk about others being pathetic t bh

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 19:12:58 2017 No.10277850 >>10277822 Armada wars

Anonymous Thu Nov 16 19:17:45 2017 No.10277867

>>10277658
>complaining about books you haven't read
But you're right in this case. It's the guy making them grow, though, not the sword. He's literally referred to as "the Fisher King" on several occasions, and in the last book after he goes full Zen Jesus his presence makes crops grow really well, in contrast to the Dark One's influence which causes famine and spoilage.

Anonymous Thu Nov 16 19:17:50 2017 No.10277868

>>10277818
damn. Does that still apply if I have a ton of other stuff foreshadowing the buildup to the solution, possibly including the MC smuggling things between the pages of their notes, even if the subject of the research doesn't get brought up again until the end?

>>10277822
I suppose ender's game is too obvious?

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 19:21:06 2017 No.10277883 >>10277868 It's still not a part of the story, it's a foreign concept with a few paragraphs trying to stake a claim before it swoops in at the end and cucks all the other plot points.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 19:24:54 2017 No.10277894 >>10277883 does that mean every trick anyone pulls out in a jojo fight is an asspull because the science of it wasn't explained in excruciating detail before the fight?

Anonymous Thu Nov 16 19:28:13 2017 No.10277902

>>10277894
>trying to justify poor storytelling with anime
It doesn't need to be explained in excruciating detail. It doesn't need to be explained with any detail. It needs to be part of the story. Imagine your main character spends some time with his crazy uncle Joe Gunz in chapter 2, never thinks about him again except maybe about how family helps you sometimes, then in the last chapter when everything is lost Joe Gunz rappels through the skylight, shoots all the bad guys, and tells the girl the MC wasn't actually on that panty raid and she should be engaged to him again.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 19:29:53 2017 No.10277905 >>10277849 yeah, yeah, Gene Wolfe I get it, shoot me for not getting your dumb joke. You clearly have nothing relevant left to say.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 19:31:56 2017 No.10277913 >its a shallan says something obnoxious and autistic episode makes me want to gouge my eyes out every time, i hope she dies

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 19:33:09 2017 No.10277919 >>10277902 well then fuck it! I'll just have to settle for a shitty, poorly-written asspull because I wrote myself into a goddamn fucking corner and wasted all my fucking effort for an unpublishable piece of garbage. Fucking fantastic!

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 19:33:23 2017 No.10277921 >>10277913 I wish Sanderson was witty.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 19:36:42 2017 No.10277928 >>10277913 It’s a someone walks in on shallan changing and it suddenly becomes an anime scene with her screaming and calling him a pervert

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 19:40:22 2017 No.10277936 >>10277928 that scene was so cringe worthy, how did that get past editing. >quip >dividing by zero xd

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 19:40:44 2017 No.10277937 >>10277928 b-baka! hentai!

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 19:42:57 2017 No.10277945 >>10277937 Radiant Shallan is literally Saber. I like it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 19:45:02 2017 No.10277949 who's better at quips, Sanderson or Joss Whedon?

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 19:45:33 2017 No.10277952 >>10277822 Best sci fi ever written is Blindopraxia. The second book has more mil stuff, though it's not a mil sci book specifically.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 19:49:03 2017 No.10277960 >>10277949 Joss Whedon actually has four good quips he rotates.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 19:49:36 2017 No.10277963 >>10277949 Even diehard Sanderson fans don't pretend he's good at quips.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 19:56:38 2017 No.10277977 >>10277949 Sanderson straight up admitted during one of his lectures that Joss Whedon is his main influence for dialogue.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 19:57:03 2017 No.10277978 File: 36 KB, 511x509, 1485473527434.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10277919 >thinks he can ever write something publishable if he's not willing to regularly eat 100-hour losses

Anonymous Thu Nov 16 20:01:40 2017 No.10277984

Someone here should write a fantasy world where females are as strong as men because they use magic in the most virtue signaling way possible, and really passive-aggressively make clear that if it wasn't for magic they'd get their shit pushed in instantly.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 20:02:38 2017 No.10277988 >>10277984 Or you should move on. Petty shit desu.

Anonymous Thu Nov 16 20:04:27 2017 No.10277992

>>10277984
I've got a half-developed one where there are female-only armies that form around food crunches when the powers that be really don't want population growth, but they have really bad KDR when they scrape with men. Spear/skirmisher tactics, try to avoid direct confrontation, mostly doing scout work for the main army.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 20:05:25 2017 No.10277994 >>10277978 how the fuck am I supposed to fix it? The asspull is too convoluted to really be a major part of the story... I mean unless I have a scene of the MC testing the theory at some point during the story on a really small scale

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 20:08:04 2017 No.10278002 >>10277994 Well guess you suck at writing.

Anonymous Thu Nov 16 20:08:42 2017 No.10278003

>>10277994
Maybe have some combination of the hero's virtue and the villain's vice be more of a contribution? As it stands what saves the story is the hero's cleverness, and you're hoping for it to have a huge impact by being unexpected yet inevitable. Maybe if he gets out of other scrapes through being clever and planning ahead?

>>10278002
This too, git gud

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 20:09:18 2017 No.10278006 >>10277988 >not even that same anon O B S E S S E D

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 20:12:03 2017 No.10278013 >>10278002 I did literally just propose a solution >>10278003 cleverness yes. Actually planning is more of a character arc

Anonymous Thu Nov 16 20:14:31 2017 No.10278022

>>10278013
Dropping a few references to the phenomenon around the narrative should make it familiar enough that it's not uncomfortable without making it feel like you're slopping foreshadowing on there. It's really a delicate balance and you need to practice a lot to get it right. But as usual it depends on the needs of your unique story and you probably won't get the doctoring it needs through summary paragraphs on an anime nazi website.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 20:30:02 2017 No.10278061 >>10276847 seems like he was inspired by soldier nicknames like "Candy Bomber" — Gail S. Halvorsen, U.S. Air Force officer" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_military_figures_by_nickname

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 20:42:23 2017 No.10278085 >>10276306 :^)

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 20:47:05 2017 No.10278100 >>10276309 Not talking about that. The other knights can kill, but he is restrained by oaths.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 20:47:56 2017 No.10278102 >>10277913 >it's a "Shallan goes insane" book

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 20:49:27 2017 No.10278107 >>10276585 >heron marked swords? What is with herons? Prince of nothing had some nonsense with a neron spear.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 20:51:06 2017 No.10278113 >>10278100 He can kill, he's just been placed in more situations where he somewhat wants to kill somebody in cold blood when he's supposed to protect him.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 20:56:14 2017 No.10278127 >>10276812 Shit got fucked and they have to live with it. Take that as you will.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 21:12:07 2017 No.10278163 >>10277718 Lightweaver. Elhokar kept seeing Liespren, which fueled his paranoia in the first book. Shallan also made a comment that Elhokar's drawing were getting better.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 21:14:36 2017 No.10278172 File: 41 KB, 297x475, 31845246.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] BOOK 3 WHEN REEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 21:17:05 2017 No.10278178 >>10277836 You trying to anti shill Sanderson's current popularity?

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 21:18:13 2017 No.10278180 >>10278163 OH SHIT, THAT'S WHY WIT LEAVES THE CITY WITH A CRYPTIC

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 21:26:57 2017 No.10278214 Christ the pacing for Oathbringer feels all over the place

>>	Donkey !HOTAY/zB0Y Thu Nov 16 21:35:07 2017 No.10278238 File: 10 KB, 260x193, Ehh...What's up, Doc?.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10277836

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 21:35:47 2017 No.10278240 Ive read a little more than a quarter of Book of the New Sun, but Im still not super into it. Should I stick with it, or would it have grabbed me by now?

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 21:38:09 2017 No.10278252 >>10278240 It won't grab you, you have to grab it.

Anonymous Thu Nov 16 21:45:52 2017 No.10278283

genuinely funny parts of Oathbringer

adolin's tailor got me
Elhokar is completely okay with being a woman

szeth asks about special consideration, is told that he will undergo the same training as the others, "why would I object? it's nice and orderly"
szeth just fucking asks the Skybreakers for their Oaths
they just tell him in a completely reasonable way

Jasnah tells Amaram that his mother fucked a whole bunch of guys when she was pregnant hoping that their cum on him would make him less useless

Also
Dalinar's golden vision that filled him with a feeling of peace in the first book makes sense now.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 21:46:44 2017 No.10278285 What the hell was up with Amaram turning into a weird crystal monster thing?

Anonymous Thu Nov 16 21:51:20 2017 No.10278304

>>10278283
When was that vision mentioned?

I also enjoyed the Szeth chapters a lot. Looking forward to more of him and Adolin. Unfortunately the two original mcs didn't get much character progression, it was only Dalinar, really. Lots of stuff set to go down next book, it feels similar to how WoK was like a giant prologue to WoR.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 21:51:44 2017 No.10278308 >>10278285 Honestly what did you expect Amaram is like the bad guy equivalent of a special snowflake

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 21:53:32 2017 No.10278313 >>10278285 He swallowed an amethyst sphere with an Unmade in it, the same one that possessed Aesudan, and Odium decided that ripping Amaram apart from inside by growing crystals would be fun.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 21:54:57 2017 No.10278316 >>10278313 I know that. It just seemed like an absolutely bizarre ending for the character.

Anonymous Thu Nov 16 21:56:16 2017 No.10278326

At the very end of Words of Radiance, Dalinar gets a warm golden vision that he says soothes him with a feeling of peace and takes his pain away for a little while. He asks the Stormfather, who says he didn't send it. I thought it was just Sanderson saying "oh it was Real God because Dalinar is a good guy and I'm a Mormon" but it was Odium's influence the whole time.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 21:57:03 2017 No.10278329 >>10278283 Amaram setting himself up for the yo momma joke just felt really forced.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 21:58:17 2017 No.10278333 >Skar and Drehy somehow escaped with the prince who doesn't get to be raised evil now what is this nonsense Sanderson what is it

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 21:58:43 2017 No.10278334 What do I need to read before reading oathbringers

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 22:01:17 2017 No.10278347 File: 39 KB, 1280x720, 1501581281684.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >/sandg/ - Sanderson and Cosmere General

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 22:01:47 2017 No.10278351 >>10278334 Way of Kings and Words of Radiance The sections from Arcanum Unbounded are helpful but not necessary, and there are some references to Warbreaker that are not significant

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 22:03:08 2017 No.10278357 >>10278333 Do you want a spin off of that escape? There's a small novel's worth of content there.

Anonymous Thu Nov 16 22:04:19 2017 No.10278360

>>10278333
I thought it was weird at first but it makes a lot of sense when you sit down and think about it. The princeling isn't of immediate use to the antagonists anymore, and Aesudan's narrative purpose was already over. We know she was offed off-screen because of Odium's exchange with Amaram, so we only need to assume that two of the most likely candidates to become Windrunners finished their oaths under duress and pulled off an escape against enemies that stopped caring about them.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 22:05:19 2017 No.10278363 >>10278334 Full reading order: Warbreaker -> WoK -> WoR -> Edgedancer -> Oathbringer You can skip Warbreaker, but I actually wouldn't, it's pretty good. I would definitely not skip Edgedancer tho, it's a quick read, and nice, made Lift grow on me.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 22:08:24 2017 No.10278375 >>10278360 Poor Aesudan ;_;

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 22:09:24 2017 No.10278377 >>10278363 Actually, you could read Warbreaker between WoK and WoR, maybe even after WoR, but it should be read. Probably best to read it first so you can do SA uninterrupted tho.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 22:10:56 2017 No.10278384 >>10278375 In the end, Elhokar really just wanted to save his waifu. F

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 22:30:16 2017 No.10278457 >>10278163 >Elhokar kept seeing Liespren Fuck off that makes so much sense, how didn't I realize it

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 22:31:44 2017 No.10278464 >>10278334 >>10278363 >>10278351 I read wotk, wor, edgedancer, and then oathbringer, and I regret not reading warbreaker first

Anonymous Thu Nov 16 22:36:52 2017 No.10278478

>>10278329
I went back to check this scene. Amaram and Jasnah grew up together, and his mother taught him. Jasnah values scholarship, so he thought he could get her to back down and at least talk with him by invoking someone she respected. "How hard she worked" seems to imply that his mother is dead.
Jasnah clearly doesn't give a shit though.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 22:44:48 2017 No.10278496 >>10278478 Jasnah is a fucking boss.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 22:55:29 2017 No.10278522 >>10278180 Probably, yes.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 23:05:41 2017 No.10278558 Rape is sad and I don't like it in my literature.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 23:07:17 2017 No.10278565 >>10278558 sure. but why would you come to a sff thread just to say this unrelated thing?

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 23:09:53 2017 No.10278574 >finally read leckie's raadch trilogy and provenance too this is actually good

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 23:15:21 2017 No.10278591 Can someone Greentext the fight when Kaladin jumped into the arena to save Dalinar's son?

Anonymous Thu Nov 16 23:25:38 2017 No.10278631

Ok, a few days off of reading Oathbringer, I feel like I can look back at it somewhat critically. Spoilers for all currently printed cosmere stuff

On Shallan
So I think my biggest gripe with this book was Shallan, which was sad because she was my favorite character in WoR and WoK. I just have no real connection to her problems besides the fact that she's got split personalities as a coping mechanism for killing mommy and daddy. Dalinar and Kaladin at least both have pretty straightforward depression, which I can get having had it myself.

On Kaladin
I really like Kaladin's arc in this book. I remmeber before it came out people were afraid he'd be Odium's champ, or die, or something because his arc was apparently over. However, the whole scene at Kholinar with Elhokar's death really showed me that he had a lot to do still. Definitely boosted up in my character rankings from last where he was for both previous books. I especially liked the scene where he just couldn't do the 4th oath. He's not perfect, he's still working, and he still has room to grow. Bet he dies book 5 though.

On Dalinar
Dalinar's arc was phenomenally done. All the flashback scenes just showed so well why he was regarded as such a badass by everyone in WoK & WoR. I also liked the scenes with him, Sadeas, and Galivar just broing it up. Him becoming Odium's champion and then ascending was badass as hell. Definitely my favorite of the 3 main characters atm.

On Szeth
Szeth is my main man and my favorite character in this book. I cannot wait for his flashback book and everything he does in the future. His interactions with the Skybreakers were great, and I loved his interactons with Nightblood, especially having read Warbreaker on Monday. Him drawing Nightblood was awesome and I totally want more Nightblood killing EVILLLL.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 23:30:20 2017 No.10278650 >>10278631 >writes a blog post >still gets details wrong

Anonymous Thu Nov 16 23:33:44 2017 No.10278666

>>10278631
continued

On Hoid
Kinda split on Hoid here. On one hand I like how he tried to get Shallan back into the swing of things, and him getting a cryptic bond is pretty funny/interesting for the future. On the other, I prefer him when he's more mysterious and in the back. Not sure he can handle a solo novel anytime soon, so still holding out judgement on him.

On Everyone else
The Bridge 4 guys were all great. I don't think I disliked a single one of them. Especially Teft and Rock, those two had great arcs. Seeing Azure (who I'm 99% sure is Vivenna) was pretty rad too. Also fuck Moash. Fuck him hard.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 23:46:59 2017 No.10278714 How do they get shardplate? If shardblades are dead spren, what are shardplate?

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 16 23:53:58 2017 No.10278732 >>10278351 Warbreaker is becoming significant tbqh, at this point I'd recommend reading it between WoR and Oathbringer at the absolute latest

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 17 00:01:26 2017 No.10278761 >>10278714 Jasnah mentions Shallan hasn't even sworn enough oaths for Plate yet, and windspren seem to flock to Kaladin as he approaches his fourth oath. It seems like Plate comes from lesser mindless spren

>>	Donkey !HOTAY/zB0Y Fri Nov 17 03:04:39 2017 No.10279210 New thread: >>10279208 >>10279208 >>10279208

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 17 07:10:21 2017 No.10279634 This was made before donkey... I fell asleep at the keyboard before I could link it. >>10278848 >>10278848

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