Plagiarization

[Anonymous No.10271437]

Has /lit/ ever noticed plagiarization before?

Bret Easton Ellis plagiarized Morrissey

From the "End of the 1980s" section of American Psycho (1991):
"I still, though, hold on to one single bleak truth: no one is safe, nothing is redeemed. Yet I am blameless. Each model of human behavior must be assumed to have some validity. Is evil something you are? Or is it something you do?"

From the Morrissey B-side "Sister I'm a Poet" (1988):

Along this way
Outside the prison gates
I love the romance of crime
And I wonder :
Does anybody feel the same way I do?
And is evil just something you are
Or something you do?

[Anonymous No.10271573]

>>10271437
>he doesn't know how intertext works

you would probably also disagree with Tarantino's chop-and-copy scenes that, when asked about, he called 'homages', right

[Anonymous No.10271576]

>>10271573
theres a difference between allusion and plagiarism, not always clear

[Anonymous No.10271613]

A lot of Roman playwrights took their plots from Greek plays.

[Anonymous No.10271622]

I have an annotated edition of The Society of the Spectacle' that marked all the pieces which Debord straight-up lifted from Marx and replaced 'capital' by 'spectacle'. It's almost half of the book.

[Anonymous No.10271669]

>>10271437
-eh. I was bilingual for the last stretch of school (I moved to germany from the states) so when I had to write a report on anything, I'd just go to the english wikipedia and then translate the article myself. works every time.

There's a freebee for all you sad fucks still in school.

[Anonymous No.10272347]

>>10271622
pls b tru

[Anonymous No.10272362]

>>10271613
Shakespeare took his plots from everyone.

[Anonymous No.10272379]

I'm not even a huge BEE fan, but was Morrissey really the first person in human history to say those words in that order before? Let alone to reach that question?

[Anonymous No.10272472]

I am sick and tired of this. Every day I come to /lit/, and every day there is at least one thread up with an OP image of an attractive woman dressed scantily and posing seductively. It's probably the same one or two people who do it honestly. Let me tell you something, you faggot pieces of shit who are doing this: you are the poster child for everything that is wrong in literature, art, and society as a whole today. You are incapable of coming up with anything creative, thought provoking, or of substance, and you lack even the smallest modicum of intelligence, so you use "style" and "flash" and pizazz in place of it and to draw attention to yourself, because that's the only way your SHIT "creation" and ideas would ever get seen by anyone. And before you say anything, this has NOTHING to do with the fact that I don't have a girlfriend. Anyway, I will be petitioning the owner of this website to ban your asses, so enjoy being able to post here while it lasts, because it's not going to last long, just like you that one time you convinced an obese girl to let you fuck her.

[Anonymous No.10272518]

>>10272379
He was probably aware of this too, since there are more than a few references to the Smiths in Rules of Attraction

[Anonymous No.10272522]

No I have not

[Anonymous No.10273112]

Dick Wimmer stole from the final stanza of Hart Crane's "Purgatorio" (1931-2) for his "Irish Wine Trilogy" (2001):

Hart Crane:

But rather like a blanket than a quilt
And I have no decision—is it green or brown
That I prefer to country or to town?
I am unraveled, umbilical anew,
So ring the church bells here in Mexico—

Dick Wimmer:

Speeding through Saturday morning London traffic in the plush leathery comfort of this Austin cab and I'm unraveled, umbilical anew!

[Anonymous No.10273568]

>>10272518
If BEE was aware of it (which he undoubtedly was) then it's plagiarism.

[Anonymous No.10274585]

Simon and Garfunkel stole from The Kinks

[Anonymous No.10274620]

Correct me if I'm wrong, it's kind of a far-out theory, but I think Joyce stole the plot for Ulysses from Homer.

[Anonymous No.10274641]

>>10271437
>"End of the 1980s" section
>music-fetishizing psycho quotes a Morrissey B-side from 1988

>OP freaks the FUCK out

brb cant live on this earth anymore putting my own head in a toilet

[Anonymous No.10274642]

>>10274620
Woah woah slow down there

[Anonymous No.10274688]

>>10272362

Shakespeare took his plots from her majesty the Queen.

[Anonymous No.10274748]

>>10274641
>defending plagiarists

[Anonymous No.10274781]

>>10274748
It's not plagiarism or an homage you goofs, it's characterization. Bateman spergs out about Huey Lewis, of course he's going to pass Morrissey lyrics off as his own.

[Anonymous No.10274808]

>>10274781
It's not defensible. Ellis stole the Morrissey lyric and tried to pass it off as his own.

[Anonymous No.10274846]

Pretty good song desu https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uALHgoLHSZk

[Anonymous No.10274863]

>>10274808
only libtards claim that ''''''''''''''''''ownership of thoughts''''''''''''''''' is not a retarded idea and only the most retarded libtards claim is it a crime to '''''''''''''''''''''''''steal the ideas of others''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''

[Anonymous No.10274877]

>>10274863
Use English please

[Anonymous No.10274890]

After extensive research, I've determined that Milton actually plagiarized much of the story of Paradise Lost from the Bible.

Groundbreaking stuff, I know. I'm going to write and publish a book on it soon.

[Anonymous No.10274893]

>>10274890
Big if true

[Anonymous No.10274896]

There's a difference between drawing on religious and mythological texts for background to purposefully stealing a few lines from another work because you think no one will notice.

[Anonymous No.10275741]

>>10271437
you're Bert Easton Elis is like little babby, OP:

https://www.poetryfoundation.org/harriet/2012/04/richard-princes-latest-act-of-appropriation-the-catcher-in-the-rye

[Anonymous No.10275747]

>>10275741
That type of appropriation art is so dumb. This is a good article on a poetry plagiarization sleuth. https://www.theguardian.com/books/2017/sep/09/poetry-plagiarism-copying-maya-angelou-ira-lightman-will-storr

[Anonymous No.10275751]

>>10275747
everything is dumb, morty

[Anonymous No.10275757]

>>10275751
don't defend these hacks. there's good conceptual art out there but richard prince is not one of them.

[Anonymous No.10275770]

for a ridiculously long time i've been working on a collage exclusively made out of excerpts from various authors where i only change proper nouns with the most minimal editing
and funnily enough, that's silly tough hard work

[Anonymous No.10275782]

>>10275757
yes he is

[Anonymous No.10275784]

>>10275782
>>/ic/

[Anonymous No.10275837]

>>10275784
see you there at dawn,gentleman
>>>/ic/3206782
choose your weapon

[Anonymous No.10275845]

>>10275751
It's funny because that Rick and Morty episode about the mini universes is a blatant ripoff of Sturgeon's 'The Microscopic God'.

[Anonymous No.10275847]

>>10275845
*Microcosmic
Fuck autocorrect

[Anonymous No.10275848]

>>10275784
meet me there at dawn, anon
>>>/ic/3206782
choose your weapon

[Anonymous No.10275860]

>>10275845
everything is a copy of something
you are a copy of both your parents

[Anonymous No.10275863]

>>10275860
No idea exists in a vacuum

[Anonymous No.10275867]

>>10275863
*
Unless of course - Kant's a priori

[Anonymous No.10275876]

>>10275848
>This thread has been pruned or deleted
kek

[Anonymous No.10275892]

>>10275863
道可道,非常道。名可名,非常名。

[Anonymous No.10275904]

>>10275892
https://rendezvous.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/07/25/why-do-the-chinese-copy-so-much/

[Anonymous No.10277163]

>>10271573
This isn't intertext though, Ellis clearly knowingly took those lyrics thinking no one would notice.

[Anonymous No.10277464]

>>10273568
Or, it's the character quoting the song, which seems a fairly batemanish thing to do

[Anonymous No.10277475]

>>10271622
kek

[Anonymous No.10277476]

>>10277464
There's no indication that he's quoting it