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[Anonymous No.10246723]

How did we go from Plato and St. Paul and Kierkegaard to Nietzsche and Stirner and Marx?

what is modern man's problem??

[Anonymous No.10246729]

>>10246723
Stirner and Kierkegaarde were contemporaries

[Anonymous No.10246736]

>>10246723
Hegel, Kant, Hume and Kierkegaard.

[Anonymous No.10246737]

>>10246729
they were cis white males.

[Anonymous No.10246738]

We realized absolutism was gay af

[Anonymous No.10246756]

>>10246723
t. posturing vulgar pseudo-Christian who has never read any of them

[Anonymous No.10246760]

Early thinkers lived in simpler environments

[Anonymous No.10246762]

>>10246738
>we realized truth doesn't matter, it's oppressive and patriarchal

[Anonymous No.10246768]

>>10246756
>if i can't believe or understand anything, no one else can either!

[Anonymous No.10246771]

>>10246768
At this point I think you're just trolling. Anyone cowardly enough to avoid making an explicit conceptual claim by hiding in greentext must be.

[Anonymous No.10246783]

>>10246771
>my dumb Mcdonald meme and baseless personal attacks deserve detailed refutations with citations from peer-reviewed sources
No.

[Anonymous No.10246792]

>>10246783
If I had a concrete position to attack, I might do a little more. Faggot.

[Anonymous No.10246794]

>>10246723

Man’s problem is our fallen nature, it’s not peculiar to modern man. Reread St Paul.

[Anonymous No.10246931]

>>10246762
who are you quoting you sperg

[Anonymous No.10246952]

>>10246723
Modern man is more Chad than ever before. Cucks like you are too busy with meh redpill and meh virginitie to notice

[Anonymous No.10246960]

>>10246723
its called the Apocalypse.. the og Jesusites knew this shit would hit eventually

[Anonymous No.10246975]

>>10246723
>How did we go from Plato and St. Paul and Kierkegaard to Nietzsche and Stirner and Marx?
Read pic related.
>what is modern man's problem??
What's your problem, anon? You do no justice to any of those philosophers by only looking at them through your plebeian political partisan lens, seeing them as mere means to your own petty little ends, just to feel better than other people. If you were really a "traditionalist", you would owe it to the past to learn from it without projecting your modern preconceptions on them and using them for your "modernist" 4chan shitposting cred.

[Anonymous No.10246988]

>>10246975
> You do no justice to any of those philosophers by only looking at them through your plebeian political partisan lens, seeing them as mere means to your own petty little ends, just to feel better than other people. If you were really a "traditionalist", you would owe it to the past to learn from it without projecting your modern preconceptions on them and using them for your "modernist" 4chan shitposting cred.
OP asked a question, what are you babbling about?

[Anonymous No.10247004]

>>10246723
please don't put stirner next to marx and nietzsche

[Anonymous No.10247886]

>>10246723
>what is modern man's problem??
Finding his way out of the darkness.

[Anonymous No.10247897]

Sellng spirit for money and the american dream.

[Anonymous No.10247909]

The Greeks were pious but they also held manliness as one of the greatest virtues. Christianity is for meek nu-males.

[Anonymous No.10247913]

>>10247897
The universal of that is "problems of the poor / weak". If you want to overcome problems of money and servitude, just like in the past, there is only one way: play the game, grow powerful in the game, have children who can live outside the game, breed those children to be exceedingly talented at the game so they can maintain their freedom of spirit. If you weren't raised like this, sorry, there's no chance for you.

[Anonymous No.10247922]

>>10246723

The stability of modern Western civilization and the ease of living it provides slowly infantilised the population. We live in the age of the infant.

What was once considered maturity, such as belief in the importance of myth, culture and custom, is now seen as infantile. What was once considered infantile, such as contempt for tradition and uncontrolled skepticism, is now seen as a mark of maturity.

[Anonymous No.10248431]

They read parts of the bible that the bible used as bad arguments and thought they were great arguments and I can't disagree.

[Anonymous No.10248921]

>>10246723
Modern man just isn't equipped to feel his way back into the past, and this in despite of an overloaded scholarship. The latter three are still very much with us because somehow their works either predicted or created the future: [our] present.

[Anonymous No.10249427]

anyone who didn't go to a Catholic school doesn't even know who Plato, Aquinas or Augustine are. Stirner, Marx and Nee-chee are just memes that edgy teenagers appropriate without even reading them

[Anonymous No.10249435]

>>10247922
But surely you do not believe that we can experience the fulfillment of a St. Paul if we take its basis as nothing more than "myth"?

[Anonymous No.10249439]

*blocks your path*

[Anonymous No.10249463]

>>10247004
Dude plenty of ancoms love Stirner, sorry to burst your bubble.

[Anonymous No.10249943]

>>10246723
Kierkegaard was a modernist, there's good modernism and bad modernism. However, the specific problem you're referring to is many trusting analytic judgements over synthetic judgements.

[Anonymous No.10250160]

>>10249463
anarcho-communism is retarded and so is everyone who likes stirner
he was btfo'd by everyone from marx to nietzsche like ten years after publishing his shitty book

[Anonymous No.10250174]

>>10247909
yeah, nothing's manlier than fucking a little boy up the ass — wait, i mean *not* fucking a little boy up the ass, right socrates? despite your numerous documented affairs, you were just too virtuous to fuck a little boy in the ass, right?

you even made alcibiades cry, you bastard.

[Anonymous No.10250411]

>>10246988
His point is, I think, that OP's question would disappear if he actually paid attention to and thought critically about the works to which he was referring.

[Anonymous No.10250422]

>>10246723
Humanity invented a method of relating to reality based on the correspondence of thought with the five physical senses. We then slowly became addicted to the heroin of materialism and forgot that other methods of thinking exist.

[Anonymous No.10250500]

>>10247004
Marx got triggered so badly by Stirner that it caused him to write a work longer than anything else that Stirner in total wrote

And Neitzsche didn't BTFO Stirner. If anything Neitzsche is on the same path as Stirner with his ideas. Contrast the Idea that Stirner had about the spooks or fixed ideas of liberalism and its moral along with how he views the spirit with the herd morality That Neitzsche describes in christians and nationalists in Geneology of morals

[Anonymous No.10250505]

>>10250500
^this post was meant for (You)
>>10250160

[Anonymous No.10251810]

>>10249435

The idea of Christ, and the philosophy he preached, are both more important than the material existence of his body in this world. I say that as someone who believes in the historicity of Christ.

[Anonymous No.10251813]

Sergay Chabyshev
Semyon Gniloy
Alexey Podorozhnik
Eduar Golozhopov
Arkady Severnii
Pynya Piterskii
Ogr Gremeliy
Havi Nashiev
Leonid Nureev

[Anonymous No.10251849]

Modern Man's problem is secularism, at least it seems to me. There has never been a period in the history of philosophy where secularism has been so widely accepted. The divine as an axiom allowed for more digestible doctrines to be developed which clearly outlined methods for righteous conduct and morals in relation to these axioms. Philosophy post-secularism has been subsequently logically cautious, and in doing so no clear moral or truly inspired code of conduct has been adequately developed in my opinion. Nietzsche, Stirner, and even earlier Kiekegaard -although they were quite influential in academic philosophy - have no real effect on how people think and operate, as opposed to the influence of past thinkers.
I feel as though we are in a new Pre-Socratic age. We are waiting for the next brilliant mind to gather together and conquer our philosophical heritage; another Plato, to continue the analogy. That it may happen in my lifetime excites me very much.

[Anonymous No.10251865]

>>10246723
source me image pls, Christian monks are so inspirational

[Anonymous No.10251879]

>>10246792
You’re adorable.

[Anonymous No.10251882]

>>10251865
comfy
stay with/in Logos friends

[Anonymous No.10252106]

>>10246723
That picture triggers me
>Who are you to say you know god or can judge others sense of him

[Anonymous No.10252151]

>>10246931
The "who are you quoting?" retardation needs to stop. He used greentext in a way that's been used for years and is now very common. You don't have to feign retardation anymore

[Anonymous No.10252179]

>>10252106
Because he's studied the word of god his entire life, dumbass.

[Anonymous No.10252306]

>>10246723
>we went from one type of shit to another type of shit

[Anonymous No.10253907]

bump

[Anonymous No.10253912]

err oppps

[Anonymous No.10253913]

>>10253907
I'm not even Catholic but I've often thought about the influence of the Protestant Reformation. While the Catholic Church isn't perfect, all this splintering and the excessive focus on half-baked individualism isn't the best either. Honestly I don't know what I'm talking about

[Anonymous No.10255077]

>>10253913
the reformation was a looting operation of church property

it had absolutely no theological basis and I hope l*ther had fun with the nun he fucked and fan off marrying with

nothing else