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10241137 No.10241137 [Reply] [Original]

Be honest with yourself:

He was smarter than you.

>> No.10241138

>>10241137
Doesn’t make him wiser.

>> No.10241142
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10241142

rare davd thread?

>> No.10241143

>>10241137
Doesn’t make him water.

>> No.10241148

Are those work books? What's a /lit/ approved work boot? (tryin to cop)

>> No.10241151

>>10241137
Yet my neck is stronger than his neck.

>> No.10241165

>yeah just squat there, like you’re gonna squeeze out a little turd on the carpet

>> No.10241192

I don't know. This is not a capital-T truth.

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>>10241137
If he's so smart then why is he dead?

>> No.10241216

>>10241137
if by "smarter" you mean "more autistic" then yeah

>>10241205
god i wish that were me

>> No.10241260

>>10241142
Did Franzen kill him out of envy?

>> No.10241363

>>10241137
I'm the one that's still alive tho

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>>10241363
>implying

>> No.10241400

>>10241137
lol lots of people are smarter than me. i'm pretty stupid actually

>> No.10241562

>>10241137
Probably. He still shot himself and suffered most of his life.

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>>10241142
here's him with his waifu

>> No.10241662

>>10241562
>shot himself
he was definitely smarter than you

>> No.10241668

>>10241137
then whyd he kill himself? he objectively has less brain matter than me. boom roasted.

>> No.10241676

>>10241137
He was a genius, our idiotic culture’s slow return to clacissism will elevate his status in the coming decades. Literary critics degraded him for trying to incorporate mathematics into his work, while mathematicians and actual intelligent people (like Jordan Ellenberg, for example) praise him for his ability to make mathematics beautiful.

Basically, once we’ve scraped off this PoMo crusted film from our eyes he’ll be elevated to near-eternal glory, believe you me.

>> No.10241678

>>10241260
I'm starting to think Franzen is schizophrenic since he has this monotonous, dull voice characteristic of schizophrenics. He most likely flipped it and killed Dave when they were having homosex. He tried to hide the evidence by framing it as auto-erotic asphyxiation

>> No.10241681

>>10241668
He finally realized that brains don't matter.

>> No.10241685

>>10241681
He was a dualist

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10241707

He has been whitewashed by the literary community for years

>> No.10241737

>>10241260
Of course!

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>>10241685

>> No.10241759

DFW was a poser faggot with massive intellectual insecurity.

He was roughly as gifted at mathematics as your average undergrad math major. He put most footnotes in IJ so that he could display knowledge extraneous to the text.

Don't believe me?

http://www.thehowlingfantods.com/IJmath.htm


Awwww wilttle professor's baby wanted to be a wittle genius. He did a wittle math and a wittle reading and tried to make himself out to be some kind of wittle genius.


Poor babeee

>> No.10241761

>>10241737
Well, congratulations! You suicided DFW! Now, what's the next step in your master plan?

>> No.10241766

>>10241759
>extraneous
Is Pynchon the same? GR is filled with rocket science, but I don't see him as really showing off his intellectual cock girth.

>> No.10241784

>>10241685
What, like, a Cartesian? DFW was a fan of Wittgenstein

>> No.10241786

>>10241766

I don't know shit about Pynchon's science but he can certainly write. DFW could not write. But you have to show people his math sucks to get them to be open to that idea, weirdly enough.

And that's exactly what he noticed, what he tapped into: that he could bypass the need to write by displaying an intellectual ability in line with the times.

Just wait for the next DFW. He'll show us all how he's an entrepreneur who gave up millions to write. He'll convince us as much, by dropping out of Stanford or causing a spat with a high level exec. at Google. Fuck em all.

>> No.10241881

>>10241759
So your argument for why you're so much smarter than DFW is that one of his characters, who is in high school (effectively), makes a high school-tier mistake while explaining high school maths to another high school student?

>> No.10241884

>>10241784
and?

>> No.10241919

>>10241881

ah yeah bro it was all intentional

>calculus in high school
>laughing_girls_DOT_JAY_PEGGED

>> No.10241985

>>10241919
What? Doing calculus in high school isn't abnormal at all.

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>>10241143

>> No.10242163

>>10241919
I was in the advanced maths class and we did calculus in high school. DFW was still a hack-fraud though

>> No.10242168

>>10241919
You don't write, do you?
You do know that writers can apply personality traits in ways where they're not literally telling you in the text. Pem had to listen to his brother get fucked by his dad... of course he's gonna develop narcissistic traits to survive.

Learn to read.

>> No.10242171

>>10241400
i'm the stupidest poster on lit

>> No.10242221

>>10241645
>that subtle Franzen

>> No.10242236

>>10241707
WE WUZ WATER N SHIET

>> No.10242251

>>10241919
I took calc in high school and was technically a year behind where I was supposed to be.
t. American

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>>10241707
He's missing something

>> No.10242607

>>10241707
TV IS BAD AND SHIIIEEETT

>> No.10242750

>>10242601
thumbs up to you kiddo

>> No.10242762

>>10242601
What doth water?

>> No.10242766

>>10241137
>was
Exactly.
But now he's gone there's a new king in town.

>> No.10243213

>>10241759
>>10241919

Ahahaha point at this man and laugh.

>> No.10243243

>>10241755
>>10241685
YAH MOVE !

>> No.10243385

>>10241137
>couldn't even play on middle class white male difficulty
Nah. Almost every average shitposter on /lit/ is generally smarter.

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>>10241676
Nigga the math he uses is unimpressive. Basic calculus, basic modal logic. It's high school and/or first year undergrad shit. It also adds nothing to the theme. Wallace is clearly just flexing. That wouldn't be a problem, if he had something to flex, but he was a brainlet trying hard, not a smart guy having fun.

>>10241766
Gravity's Rainbow is about historical materialism, and it uses the fixed trajectory of a rocket as a metaphor for that. The math is in there for a reason. Pynchon also incorporates humor into the novel, which keeps his high-flying conceptual stuff grounded.
>that candy-eating chapter
Gold.

Pynch > DFW

>> No.10243474

>>10241137
no he wasn't. the thing is, i'm more depressed than he was, so i really don't have in me what it takes to write some convoluted mental gymnastic about the burdens of our time

>> No.10243860

>>10243470
>Gravity's Rainbow is about historical materialism, and it uses the fixed trajectory of a rocket as a metaphor for that. The math is in there for a reason. Pynchon also incorporates humor into the novel, which keeps his high-flying conceptual stuff grounded.

What about the coprophagia?

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>>10243470
Cool, never saw it that way, but I'm a bad leftist - barely gotten through Das Kapital, and picked up the worst edition of it. Candy-eating chapter fucked me up too.

>>10243860
I got a meme for that. I think there's a bit in Sublime Object of Ideology that talks about the shit dialectic.

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>>10241562
>Shot himself
You're thinking of Kurt Cobain, buddy.

>> No.10244138

>>10242601
>He's missing something
Life?

>> No.10244146

>>10241786
>Just wait for the next DFW. He'll show us all how he's an entrepreneur who gave up millions to write. He'll convince us as much, by dropping out of Stanford or causing a spat with a high level exec. at Google. Fuck em all.
How is this anything like DFW?

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>>10243470

>unironically calls people 'brainlet' and posts wojack memes
>is impressed by Pynchon

Please stop posting.

>> No.10244232

>>10242601
XRA is actually finnegans wake, read the book then watch the show, then read the book, then watch the show. It is one hundred percent clear.

>> No.10244292

>>10241676
He was a talentless hack and will remain a meme. Clumsily using semi-coherent babby calc lingo is of neither artistic nor scientific merit and only serves to impress complete and utter brainlets like you.

>> No.10244303

noone is smarter than me though

>> No.10244323

>>10241137

Hating DFW is like hating John Cena at this point. Let’s face it, they’re two dudes who perfected their craft. At some point you smarks need to grow up.

>> No.10244460

>>10241142
what an iconic duo

>> No.10244650

>>10244323
this comment made me youtube and his name is memes

>> No.10244968

>>10241151
Have yested that theory anon?

>> No.10245035

>>10241137
I am honest with myself, he is smarter

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>>10243882
>I got a meme for that...
We are truly a blessed generation, the dialectic has assumed a greater form
>tfw the coprophagia accelerates

>> No.10245147

>kills himself
sorry, David, Anon wins again

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He faked the suicide so he wouldn't have to finish the books he was working on and to relieve himself of the cringeworthy public persona that he grew out of in his late 30's.

He's still writing obviously but I don't read enough contemporary fiction to tell you who he is

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>>10241137
yes, and?

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Sometimes I feel shitty about my lot in life when I realize that most of the blistering intellects we've come to know, who put out mountains of writing and reached the heights of their field, have a similar background to DFW.
>father a philosophy professor emeritus
>mother an english professor
And meanwhile I'm here with no parents working a construction job

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>>10245173
>mfw is rupi kaur

>> No.10245241

>>10243470
>Gravity's Rainbow is about historical materialism
can you expand on this? i'm intrigued

>> No.10245259

>>10241137
why is he always wearing gauze over his head he looks like he just got out of the hospital after terrible car accident

>> No.10245289

>>10245259
Lol. I'll take the bait.

It's a bandanna that he claimed he started wearing because he sweat so much in Arizona and then when he moved he was so used to the bandanna that without it he felt self-conscious or something. Then it became kind-of his thing or schtick so he stopped wearing it a lot. You'll notice in like the last ten years of his life there are a lot less photos of him with bandannas and shorter hair.

He was very reflective and conscious of what wearing the bandanna meant to those who judged him.

t. DFW fan and dicksucker

>> No.10245300

>>10245289
What a mess.

>> No.10245323

>>10245289
he liked tennis, why didn't he just wear one of those tennis headbands? i saw him mention the sweat like 4 times in that german interview

>> No.10245337

>>10241707
WARDINE BE CRY

>> No.10245542

>>10241645
Lookin' like buff Mac from Always Sunny right here

>> No.10245883

>>10245323
He didn't see himself as a tennis player very much past like 16 from what I've read and heard.

>> No.10245888

>>10245337
WARDINE SAY MOMMA AIN'T RIGHT

>> No.10246326

>>10245883
so? he didn't see himself as Axl Rose or a black woman slave and still wore that stupid thing on his head

>> No.10246333

>>10241137
how do we get him in smash bros

>> No.10246357

>>10245175
damn /lit/ is fast

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>>10245241
None of the characters make decisions; they only respond to economic/cultural/biological drives. Every character is overtly associated with a particular modernist school of thought (pavlov, freud, mill, marx, schmitt, etc.), and essentially acts out that thinker's ideas. Every interaction between characters is also an interaction between historical forces.

Pynchon makes this cast of automatons seem random and free-willed, by using a lot of odd plot details to get them to act in unexpected ways, but when you dissect any character's behavior enough, you find that he/she is operating on a very clear, logical paradigm, even if he/she isn't aware of it.

The rockets tie into this because they initially seem random, but they're predictable (via the erections), and any given rocket follows a predetermined trajectory. That trajectory is "Gravity's Rainbow."

Unlike Marx, however, Pynchon's historical materialism doesn't go anywhere in particular. Humanity is just a big, lumbering machine whose direction we can only hope to deduce. Self-destruction, more so than utopia, is the most likely outcome, but, again like the rockets, those of us who aren't the pilots can't predict where anything'll go.

>> No.10246533

He couldn't cut it with non-fiction, so I don't think so.

Still, he was probably smart. If the movie is anything to go by, he also trapped himself in his life; (and if his suicide is anything to go by, ) drowning in a glass of water.

RIP

>> No.10247095

>>10246333
this made me laugh

>> No.10247108

>>10241137

Sometimes I wonder if maybe, just maybe, he was exactly as smart as me

>> No.10247647

>>10241137
Did he kill himself sincerely or was it is final lapse back into deep irony?

>> No.10247715

>>10241137
He's also deader than me.

>> No.10249382

>>10242171
naah, the dubs cofirm it-s him

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>>10241137
>Couldn't into maths so he switched to analytic phil
>Couldn't into analytic phil so he switched to fiction
>Couldn't into fiction so he killed himself
Sounds pretty dumb to me desu