The Great Fight today is between two modes of thought

[Anonymous No.10234814]

1. That of Tradition
2. That of Modernity

On which side do you fight?

[Anonymous No.10234822]

>>10234814
on the side that Nihilism is the superior ideology and everyone else is retards
disagree? then you are retarded

[Anonymous No.10234827]

>>10234814
For me it has to be Truth, the Logos, and his Church.

[Anonymous No.10234834]

>>10234814
numba 1

[Anonymous No.10234883]

>>10234827
>Leonid Bershidsky
who's that jew? me and my bratya gonna punish him.

[Anonymous No.10234887]

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[Anonymous No.10234888]

hilariously bullshit dichotomy. traditionalists lunp pseudo individualism in with real individualism and modernity and get them confused. real, true individualism (not its misinterpretation as something like ‘being greedy’) is not pro or anti tradition or modernity, it is un-modern and un-traditional; it is a third option and does not care about the other two or ‘fighting’ for one of the two garbage sides

[Anonymous No.10234893]

>>10234888
stirner, you fucked up

[Anonymous No.10234895]

>>10234883
>who's that jew?
https://www.bloomberg.com/view/contributors/AQuRIoVsdeM/leonid-bershidsky

a professional shill.

[Anonymous No.10234897]

how many of you retards are readin and not understanding western esotericism right now? its not right wing because evola says so you speds; just be right wing if you want to be right wing

[Anonymous No.10234904]

>>10234888
What is individualism without timeless truths, without wisdom guiding it? It is the greatest of all evils...it's degeneracy, for it is folly, vice, and madness, without self-awareness or restraint.

there is no wisdom that doesn't somehow conform to the timeless traditions handed to us by our sages, saints and wise philosophers. No modernist thinker comes close.

[Anonymous No.10234908]

can trads define traditionalism?

[Anonymous No.10234909]

>>10234814
On Neither, and on Both. For where would I be without either? and what would I be by committing myself to one or the other?

Another query. Modernity is the condition which the Traditionalist experiences too. More crudely, a reactionary can never be apart of the old order. The current one is necessary for his existence as is. But what thought perpetuates 'Modernity' as the Trads call it, in religious circles and without? What constitutes 'Modernism' in the pejorative (or simply descriptive) sense?

[Anonymous No.10234912]

>>10234908
not-gayfagism

[Anonymous No.10234917]

modern cities are shit

[Anonymous No.10234921]

>>10234908
this post sort of does that >>10234904

[Anonymous No.10234924]

>>10234917
>wrath of gnon
Do you know how I know your parents are shatteringly middle class?

[Anonymous No.10234927]

>>10234917
all cities are shit (c) abel, thoreau, tolstoy

[Anonymous No.10234931]

>>10234917
but shit contains perennial wisdom

[Anonymous No.10234934]

>>10234927
this. you dont need to be a traditionalist to critique modernity. see: thoreau

[Anonymous No.10234936]

>>10234904
Nothing worse than the political dullards claiming the past for themselves. What is timeless truth, anon? What sages, what saints? Are all modern philosophers "modernist" philosophers? Do we say that Wittgenstein and St. Catherine of Siena can be evaluated in the same category? Philippa Foot and Irenaeus? Simone Weil and Aquinas? Are we evaluating mystics as well as Aristotelians and analytics and dualists? Is their evaluative worth measured by adherence to divine revelation or to genuine truth-seeking and method of inquiry?

[Anonymous No.10234981]

>>10234936
>What is timeless truth?
Omicron Omega Nu.

>Irenaeus?
Yes read him.
> St. Catherine of Siena
Read her too.

>analytics and dualists?
they will burn in hell.

>Wittgenstein
by his own admission he has nothing to say.

>Aristotelians?
Apostates. But Platonists are bros.

>Simone Weil
anarchists get zyklon b

[Anonymous No.10235021]

>>10234912
Pic related was into gayfagism.

[Anonymous No.10235022]

>>10234908
No but His Royal Highness the Prince of Wales can:

https://youtu.be/hnnXKmGQ4nI

[Anonymous No.10235044]

>>10235022
>we need to go back to slaves building eternal spiritual shit for us royalty

[Anonymous No.10235051]

>>10235044
Almost everything that modern progressives want we already had under feudalism: village commons, actual democracy, community, welfare, arts....Very strict environmental laws, gun (sword) control, public schools, wildlife protection, extensive charity, elderly care, health'n'safety.

[Anonymous No.10235055]

>>10234887
>This is what traditioncucks actually believe

[Anonymous No.10235056]

>>10235051
The difference is that these were all by and for the common man, and not for mythic "invisible hand of the market" or distant oligarchy.

[Anonymous No.10235062]

>>10235055
>muh tolerance
>muh freedumbs

ever wonder why modern literature, modern art, modern poetry is absolute horseshit compared to what we used to haev?

[Anonymous No.10235066]

>>10235062
girardfag how are u?

[Anonymous No.10235092]

>>10234887
This one of the most stupid things I have ever read. There is literally no way of knowing this. Nobody wrote about the peasant life from a peasant's point of view before modernity. I'm pretty sure that given the option to not die because of a toothache, they would have been pretty fucking glad to accept it.

>The life of the Middle Ages in its perfection
What about the life of the Middle Ages not in its perfection? What about the life of Modernity in its perfection?

>>10235062
Oh fuck man, there are people today who want to be allowed to get fucked in the ass, this is literally hell on earth, I can't possibly live like this.

[Anonymous No.10235095]

>>10235062
>modern literature, modern art, modern poetry is absolute horseshit
It isn't tho.
Joyce and Proust > everything before them besides Shakespeare
Montale > everything before him besides Dante and Milton

[Anonymous No.10235101]

>>10235095
>>10235062
Not to mention medieval literature is horseshit besides 5 or 6 books

[Anonymous No.10235108]

>>10235101
>illiterate peasant detected

[Anonymous No.10235122]

>>10235108
>using "illiterate peasant" as an insult when defending illiterate peasants

[Anonymous No.10235126]

observation of hierarchy is the golden principal

[Anonymous No.10235127]

>>10234814
You forgot postmodernism.

[Anonymous No.10235131]

>>10235122
So how did the medieval writers actually manage to write shit down if they were illiterate, you churl?

Yes, there was a rich oral tradition, but you're conflating posters, I think. Give yourself a break from the interwebz, lad. Also, maybe have a gawk at the Lays of Marie de France when you get a chance, I recommend "Bisclavret", a werewolf story with a number of unusual twists.

[Anonymous No.10235141]

>>10235131
The poster you're replying to isn't the poster who said medieval lit is horseshit (me)
So you're conflating posters as well
Ah ah, cuck
>werewolf tales
I'll check it out

[Anonymous No.10235177]

>>10235131
You replied to the poster who attacked the image about the life of traditional peasants. Jeez, you'd think that you people who are allergic to the modern life at least had a healthy attention span.

[Anonymous No.10235209]

>>10234814
We have completely lost contact with the divine and, in our folly turned towards the inferior, infernal forces : the matter.

And thus, as God said : ''But they were only wronging themselves''. May he have mercy upon us.

[Anonymous No.10235211]

I fight on the side with assault rifles and attack helicpters

[Anonymous No.10235212]

>>10235209
Good thing at least that you will get the chance to watch us inferior unbelievers get consumed by flames, right?

[Anonymous No.10235226]

>>10235212
that's not what I want nor will I ever will it. I feel sad that humanity chose that path. I hold man close to my heart but I feel like there's nothing that can be done to save us now.

[Anonymous No.10235240]

>society can be effected by individual action
>the ruination of humans isn't the next step in intellectual evolution, and that humans aren't just a protointelligence
>this collision course with the transcendent can be avodied

lmao ishygddt

[Anonymous No.10235366]

>>10235212
>will you pity watching those in hell?
There is nothing to pity about those who get consumed by fire in the afterlife since it is fair, just and right. The fire is ignited by their own conscience as it reveals how they squandered their life on earth, how they hated God, how they abused the good and innocent, how they were hypnotized by matter and lusts and besmirched their own souls.

A rapist, for example: He will enter the afterlife with a diseased soul that lusts after women, power, and sadistic pleasure, but his soul will have no body to fulfill those thirsts with. So he will be perpetually unsatisfied. Moreover, standing in God's presence he will be aware of the full measure of his transgressions. So his own soul will burst into tears and flames at the horror of what he has committed, what he has desired and done to himself and others. There is nothing to pity about the fire for the damned. What is to pity is how the wicked and selfish squander their lives and ruin their souls while on earth. All will encounter God, the question is whether they love him or not. Those who love him will experience his presence as heaven, never ending light and blissful wonder, those who hate and ignore him will experience varying degrees of fire, darkness and pain.

The consequences follow naturally. The consequences are owed to them and they will understand this.

[Anonymous No.10235460]

>>10235366
Wow man, that's such a detailed account of what will happen in this place no living person has ever witnessed. It's almost like you believe these things only because they will advantage you and punish those who were against you.

[Anonymous No.10235555]

OP here.

Why did every brainlet in this thread continue to commit the age old retarded confusion that Modernity is equal to Modern?

They're entirely different things.

[Anonymous No.10235927]

There are good things in tradition and there are good things in modernity. I stand with those things I think are best (of course, since I am a human being and only a single brain/mind, I might commit several errors: that’s the nice thing about not giving too much power to anyone).

Example of tradition that I like and admire: metrical verse, tragic drama, novels with realistic style, classical/erudite music. I would love to see, for example, the resurgence of drama in the style of Shakespeare, or musicians trying to be even better than Mozart and Beethoven.

Example of modernity: I think that we still have several problems of inequality in the world, especially in the country where I live. I believe that is important to support measures that tend to dissolve ancient privileges and the concentration of wealth and to improve public services of quality and a strong Welfare State. I regard many of our laws and political systems as primitive, and actually quite illogical (no wonder, since concentrated capital can buy the media and the congress, thus not only deciding how the creation of new legislation will walk, but also work to make the population support measures that are actually going to work against themselves).

I also think that evidence based on facts that tend to destroy old believes and illogical traditions based on religious faith are always valid and important (that women are inferior to men, for example, or that we are especial and superior to other forms of life).

[Anonymous No.10235953]

>>10235927
Facts are beliefs.

I believe women are inferior and that I'm superior to all in existence.

[Anonymous No.10236326]

>>10235927
You truly are blind.

[Anonymous No.10236374]

>>10236326
Fuck off free market neoliberal retard

[Anonymous No.10236390]

>>10235927
This is the most normie shit ITT

[Anonymous No.10236656]

>>10235927
>t. crypto-cultural marxist

[Anonymous No.10236692]

>>10236656
Hahaha, those virgins get so mad with any women and equality question. Why don’t you guys go to a brothel and pay for a girl to end your suffering?

[Anonymous No.10236949]

>>10234814

Tradition.

It's time for /lit/ to open their eyes and ride the tiger like the aristocrats of the soul that they are.

[Anonymous No.10236963]

>>10234814
My man Ezra Pound desu

[Anonymous No.10236965]

Tradition

[Anonymous No.10236971]

>>10236692
>Egalitarianism is superior to reactionary dialectic because I got my dick sucked lol fuck you loser

[Anonymous No.10237057]

>>10235366
Boy, it sure smells like ressentiment in here!

[Anonymous No.10237073]

>>10234814
the transcendental, self-transforming dialectic of order and chaos.

[Anonymous No.10237079]

>>10235927
We ARE special compared to other forms of life. What other species even asks themselves these kind of questions? (inb4 how do you really know maaaaan)
We're certainly superior when it comes to something like consciousness. Just as a bird is superior when it comes to flying.

[Anonymous No.10237135]

>>10234814
The tradition of continuing modernity.