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James Joyce and Marcel Proust met each other 1922 in a taxi in Paris. They talked about truffle and their illnesses. Not word was spoken about their work because none of the two read the works of the other one. Also Joyce nearly puked in the taxi.


You have other stories like that?

>> No.10207205

When Salvator Dali and Aram Khachaturian met is pretty good

>> No.10207410

>>10207198
Henry James and Charles Dickens encountered one another (according to Leon Edel) briefly in a candle lit foyer at a party for the latter in Massachusettes during his last trip to the States. James was of course a very young man. Neither said a word though eye-contact was evidently made.

>> No.10207688

>>10207198
>none of the two read the works of the other one
that's rather funny, why would they meet up in that case? Imagine how awkward it would have been

>> No.10207720
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10207720

>Proust: perceived greatness purchased

>> No.10207725

Joyce did end up reading Proust at some point fyi

>> No.10207732

>>10207198
Ralph Emerson and Thomas Carlyle met.

>> No.10207753

I don't know the exact circumstances but Tenessee Williams knew Yukio Mishima personally.

>> No.10207761

Dostoyevsky and Tolstoy never met, not even once

>> No.10207769

No wonder, they're both maximalist hacks

>> No.10207784

Beckett briefly dated Joyce's daughter.

>> No.10207795

>>10207720
he didn't pay for people to give him good reviews, he paid for reviews that were already praising him

>>10207761
didn't they dislike each others' works

>> No.10207844

>>10207732
Emerson even met the aged Wordsworth at his own digs. See English Traits for that memorable encounter.

>> No.10207846

>>10207198
Flaubert and Turgenev were buds.

>> No.10207859

>>10207198
Niggas, y'all need to read Santiago Posteguillo's books on that matter.

>> No.10207861

>>10207795
No I think they liked each others work quite a lot if I remember correctly

>> No.10207880

Mira Gonzalez and Tao Lin made one of this generation's most controversial duos. The first time they met Mira made advances on Lin, but Lin dropped his spaghetti propmting Mira to pat him on the head and service him with a bong water lubricated hand job.

>> No.10207888

Wallace Stevens sneaked attacked Hemingway with a sucker punch, broke his hand on Hemingway's jaw, and then was knocked down multiple times by Hemingway.

>> No.10207898

>>10207880
Is this true?

>> No.10207910

I don't think it gets emphasized too much, but Nathaniel Hawthorne was friends with Herman Melville (who dedicated Moby-Dick to him) Henry Wadsworth Longfellow, Ralph Waldo Emerson, and was acquainted with Thoreau. Longfellow and Emerson served as pall-bearers at his funeral.

>> No.10207933

>>10207898
Yes.

>> No.10207947

Does the fact that H.P. Lovecraft and Robert E. Howard were best friends communicating through letters count? Consider that Lovecraft wrote a memoir of Howard after his death.
http://lovecraft.wikia.com/wiki/Robert_E._Howard

>> No.10207975

>>10207910
>Americans don't have good li-

>> No.10207983

How not to mention the Svevo-Joyce bromance? They were good friends and Joyce was one of the first to recognize Svevo's talent (he was largely ignored by the critics of his time)

>>10207720
He paid for reviews of Swann's Way, which isn't even the truly revolutionary part of the book.

>>10207888
Source? Top kek this is too good to be true

>> No.10208007

>>10207983
A few sources, but this one quotes hemingway
http://www.kwls.org/key-wests-life-of-letters/ernest_hemingway_knocked_walla/
>February, 1936
>“Nice Mr. Stevens. This year he came again pleasant like the cholera and first I knew of it my nice sister Ura was coming into the house crying because she had been at a cocktail party at which Mr. Stevens had made her cry by telling her forcefully what a sap I was, no man, etc. So I said, this was a week ago, ‘All right, that’s the third time we’ve had enough of Mr. Stevens.’ So headed out into the rainy past twilight and met Mr. Stevens who was just issuing from the door haveing just said, I learned later, ‘By God I wish I had that Hemingway here now I’d knock him out with a single punch.’
>“So who should show up but poor old Papa and Mr. Stevens swung that same fabled punch but fertunatly missed and I knocked all of him down several times and gave him a good beating. Only trouble was that first three times put him down I still had my glasses on. Then took them off at the insistence of the judge who wanted to see a good clean fight without glasses in it and after I took them off Mr. Stevens hit me flush on the jaw with his Sunday punch bam like that. And this is very funny. Broke his hand in two places. Didn’t harm my jaw at all and so put him down again and then fixed him good so he was in his room for five days with a nurse and Dr. working on him. But you mustn’t tell this to anybody.”
>The story is confirmed by Stevens’s biographer Joan Richardson, who reports that Stevens returned home to his wife and daughter in Hartford that March with a still-puffy eye and broken hand, and that Stevens himself told versions of the story throughout his life. It’s Hemingway’s, though, that survives:

>> No.10208051

>>10207753
Henry Miller also met Yukio mishima. He has an essay/obituary for mishima where he discusses it.

Hams Blumenberg writes about several encounters between great writers in "Care Crosses the River"

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10208454

Though there is much to be said about Ernst Jünger's relationships with the likes of Picasso, Goebbels, Schmitt, and Heidegger, on of the most fascinating friendships was the one with Albert Hoffman at the dawn of the psychadelic era.

https://erowid.org/library/books_online/lsd_my_problem_child/chapter7.shtml

>> No.10208536

>>10207983
Svevo also influenced the character of Leo Bloom in appearance

>> No.10208549

>>10207947
The thread is about great writers.

>> No.10208550

>>10208454
>Right-wing aesthete meets inventor of LSD
Gravity's Rainbow was nonfiction.

>> No.10208571

>>10207198
<no mention of Plato and Aristotle

>> No.10208596

>>10207198

Proust's family tried to cure his fap-addiction by paying for a prostitute. A mixture of performance anxiety and a heavy dose of being an actual bona fide faggot caused the following, which he details in a letter to his grandfather:

18 May 1888

Thursday evening.

My dear little grandfather,

I appeal to your kindness for the sum of 13 francs that I wished to ask Mr. Nathan for, but which Mama prefers I request from you. Here is why. I so needed to see if a woman could stop my awful masturbation habit that Papa gave me 10 francs to go to a brothel. But first, in my agitation, I broke a chamber pot: 3 francs; then, still agitated, I was unable to screw. So here I am, back to square one, waiting more and more as hours pass for 10 francs to relieve myself, plus 3 francs for the pot. But I dare not ask Papa for more money so soon and so I hoped you could come to my aid in a circumstance which, as you know, is not merely exceptional but also unique. It cannot happen twice in one lifetime that a person is too flustered to screw.

I kiss you a thousand times and dare to thank you in advance.

I will be home tomorrow morning at 11am. If you are moved by my situation and can answer my prayers, I will hopefully find you with the amount. Regardless, thank you for your decision which I know will come from a place of friendship.

Marcel.

>> No.10208611

>>10207198

When Soren Kierkegaard was still engaged to Regine Olsen, he arranged a romantic ride by horse carriage. Kierkegaard was normally aloof, cold and autistic, so Regine was thrilled at this amorous gesture. When they arrived at the carriage, Kierkegaard walked away from her, musing that the joy of anticipation is always greater than the joy of the thing itself.

>> No.10208620

>>10208611
kek
can't say he's wrong

>> No.10208628

>>10208611
Source?

>> No.10208660

Siegfried Sassoon was dining in a hotel bar in Turin when Joyce entered, perched between Hemingway's shoulder blades and wielding a coatrack like a lance. They charged a table full of soldiers in the corner, with Joyce laying about himself and shrieking "Finish him, Hemmy!" The scrum entered the kitchen and disappeared into the night as quickly as it had developed.

>> No.10208668

>>10207898
No, water isn't a good lube.

>> No.10208693

>>10208668
Bong water is. scummy, slippery, and has thc.

>> No.10208829

Saroyan once kicked Hemingway's ass in Paris hotel

>> No.10208952

>>10207795
>didn't they dislike each others' works
Actually the opposite.

>> No.10209022

>>10208596
>If you are moved by my situation and can answer my prayers
LMAO

>> No.10209049

>>10208611
the world didn't deserve ol' Kierke ;_;

>> No.10209151

>>10207688
They met unintentionally, the party was organized that way to make big artistic names meet. They also invited Picasso, Stravinsky and Diagilev there.

>> No.10209212

Borges published Julio Cortazar's first short story.
Borges probably met a lot of great writers in his lifetime.

>> No.10209238

>>10207983
>>10208007
friendly reminder that Stevens was 57 when they fought and Hemingwy was 41

>> No.10209252

>>10209212
>Borges
some choice Borges quotes:
-“Of course the blacks are unbearable…I don’t retract what I’ve stated so many times: the Americans made a grave mistake in educating them; as slaves, they were like children, they were happier and less annoying.”
-“…rich people suffer a lot and are very unhappy. The poor suffer much less than the rich.”
he was a noted admirer of Pinochet and despised democracy
he was also a great fan of Schopenhauer

>> No.10209253

>>10207761
>>10207795
>>10207861
>>10208952
They both were in the same room at a lecture once but they were too autistic to speak to each other

>> No.10209256

>>10209252
>-“Of course the blacks are unbearable…I don’t retract what I’ve stated so many times: the Americans made a grave mistake in educating them; as slaves, they were like children, they were happier and less annoying.”
The only source I found for this quote was on a propaganda site

>-“…rich people suffer a lot and are very unhappy. The poor suffer much less than the rich.”
same

>he was a noted admirer of Pinochet
unwillingly

>he was also a great fan of Schopenhauer
That's....good???

>> No.10209258

Dostoyevsky and Tolstoy made one of their generation's most controversial duos. The first time they met Dostoyevsky made advances on Tolstoy, but Tolstoy dropped his spaghetti propmting Dostoyevsky to pat him on the head and service him with a bong water lubricated hand job.

>> No.10209268

>>10209256
he just thought marxists were boring, and for that he is 100% right

>> No.10209280

>>10209268
>Sartre: *cums to Joseph Stalin*
WOW SO BRAVE AND INTELLECTUAL AND REBELLIOUS
>Borges: *meets Pinochet once*
THIS IS LITERALLY THE WORST THING EVER HOW DARE HE

>> No.10209285

>>10209252
Shut the fuck up

>> No.10209286

>>10209252
>the poor suffer much less than the rich
Should’ve been tortured to death.

>> No.10209294

>>10207846
Also, Flaubert and Maupassant.

>> No.10209295

Faulkner and Thomas Mann once got into an arm-wrestling competition in a New York club in which Mann broke Faulkner's dominant hand.

Faulkner then started writing The Sound and the Fury with his other hand, which is why the first part turned out like it did. Once he recovered, he wrote teh rest of the novel normally

>> No.10209297

>>10209256
>the only source I can find for that borges quote is from a propaganda site
probably because it was written in spanish you fucking mongoloid
"Por supuesto que resultan insoportables los negros…no me desdigo de lo que tantas veces afirmé: los norteamericanos cometieron un grave error al educarlos; como esclavos eran como chicos, eran más felices y menos molestos.”
"la gente rica sufre mucho y es muy desdichada. Los pobres sufren mucho menos que los ricos."
they're from interviews in the 50s and 60s
but you're too stupid to fact-check that
>he was an unwilling admirer of Pinochet
he went out of his way to fucking meet him my god you are pants-on-head retarded
Schopenhauer is a pathetic second-rate philosopher who's only modern adherents are upper class sheltered racists

>> No.10209301

>>10207947
I was extremely surprised when I found out that Lovecraft and Hart Crane wrote to eachother

>> No.10209303

>>10209295
lmao
I was confused by the first part so thoroughly until I read the second

>> No.10209308

>>10209297
>Schopenhauer is a pathetic second-rate philosopher who's only modern adherents are upper class sheltered racists

Sounds like my kind of guy!

>> No.10209311

>>10209297
I couldn't find those interviews from non-propaganda sites and YES I did search in spanish

obviously its real though because slandering your rivals is not something that happens at all in latin american literature (this is sarcasm)

>he went out of his way to fucking meet him
because he won a medal, I've never seen him say anything to the affect of "wow I sure do love his policies!"

This is like calling Jesse Owens a nazi

>Schopenhauer is a pathetic second-rate philosopher who's only modern adherents are upper class sheltered racists
t. brainlet

>> No.10209313

Wordsworth and Coleridge.
They were smoking dope and chilling out in the summertime in England.

>> No.10209322

>>10209297

Be honest, everything you know about Schopenhauer you learned from this board.

>> No.10209329

>>10209311
>all those different sites which contain the borges quotes are fake!
>I've never heard Borges praise Pinochet!
"he is an excellent person, his warmth, his goodness … I’m very satisfied … The fact that here, also in my country, and in Uruguay, the freedom and the order is saved, especially in an anarchic continent, a continent undermined by communism. I expressed my satisfaction, as an Argentine, of which we should have here nearby a country of order and peace."
>Schopenhauer is anything other than second-rate
t. braindead

>> No.10209334

>>10209297
I don't think anyone identifies as a Schopenhauer adherent, anon. But he's of the sharpest minds of all times nonetheless.

>> No.10209335

>>10209313
Byron constantly referred to Wordsworth as "Turdsworth"

>> No.10209340

>>10209334
>he's of the sharpest minds of all time
>HEGEL IS STUPID BECAUSE HE STEALS MY STUDENTS
>WOMEN ARE CHILD-LIKE AND INFANTILE
>GENIUS IS A CHILD-LIKEAND INFANT WONDER OF THE WORLD
>TRUE MEN DON'T READ BOOKS, THEY PUBLISH THEM!
>PLEASE READ MY BOOKS

>> No.10209345

>>10209329
>>all those different sites which contain the borges quotes are fake!
all these different random blogs**

>"he is an excellent person, his warmth, his goodness … I’m very satisfied … The fact that here, also in my country, and in Uruguay, the freedom and the order is saved, especially in an anarchic continent, a continent undermined by communism. I expressed my satisfaction, as an Argentine, of which we should have here nearby a country of order and peace."
Yes he liked that he got read of communism. Got any more puzzles for me?

>>Schopenhauer is anything other than second-rate
Give me a tl;dr of his ideas

>> No.10209353

>>10209340
>controversial polemic guy makes controversial polemic quotes
more news at 11

Just wait until you get to Nietzsche and Heidegger

>> No.10209359

>>10209340
That's hardly why he's famous, and you know it, you snarky little bitch.

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>>10209340

>> No.10209366

>>10209359
Hey did you know that Foucault and Derrida are NAZIS because they liked Heidegger?

>> No.10209372

This thread reminds me of when you go into a bar or a coffehouse & these pretentious little college kids are sprawled out everywhere dressed in their artificially distressed designer gear and all drinking the same soybased coffeeflavored drink. And this is is how they talk to each other.

Threads like this also remind me of those party scenes in that one Gaddis novel where everyone is just trying to impress everyone by mentioning all the "cool" little shit they made their selves memorize not out of curiosity but only as an accessory.

This way nobody has to ever talk about anything real but they get to keep talking.

>> No.10209376

>>10209372
>This thread reminds me of when you go into a bar or a coffehouse & these pretentious little college kids are sprawled out everywhere dressed in their artificially distressed designer gear and all drinking the same soybased coffeeflavored drink
I don't believe this place exists outside of your imagination.

>> No.10209383

>>10209372
woah...

>> No.10209463

>>10209335
Byron and Mary Shelley

>> No.10209469

Noam Chomsky and Ted Kaczynski were allegedly in the same logic class.

>> No.10209489

>>10209329
I found the source of the borges quotes

its from this guy: http://www.rodolfobraceli.com.ar/libros.html

he writes fictional interviews where he tries to make famous people say wildly controversial things

god youre dense

>> No.10209490

>>10207198
Joyce and Proust met at a party, and Joyce got pissed when Proust told him he didn't read Ulysses, and thought it was bad. Joyce then paid Hemingway 7 pounds to throw Proust's trousers in a tree.

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10209491

>Norman Mailer once punched Vidal at a party after the writer had given him a bad review. Still on the floor, Vidal declared: "Once again, words fail Norman Mailer."

Gore Vidal would be /lit/s guy, if /lit/ was better read

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10209499

>>10209491
>would be /lit/s guy, if /lit/ was better read

Maybe he wouldn't be yours, if you were.

>> No.10209500

>>10209489
>linking me some propaganda site
yeah no thanks brainlet

>> No.10209571

>>10209372
easy on the alienation

>> No.10209646

>>10209238
go to bed Stevens

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10209661

>>10209372
And you bring to my mind the picture of the cynical loner who always complains about the lack of "real conversation," but can't for the life of him describe the "real" thing he wants to be talking about.

>> No.10209739

>>10208571
woah
what a revelation!
no way!

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10209761

Remember when this guy became a philosopher by randomly showing up at Gottlob Frege's house?

good times

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>>10209761
shit wrong pic

>> No.10209840

>>10208611
>K didn't overcome his anxiety about the impermanence of love and let go of his autism and marry Regine and live a long life of happiness and love
It's not fair bros, he deserved to make it

>> No.10209866

>>10209308
Marlene Dietrich read Schopenhauer, and considered him *her* philosopher. It's in her ABC.

>> No.10209867

>>10209499
t. Norman Mailer

>> No.10209885
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10209885

G.K. Chesterton and T.S. Eliot liked to talk shit about each other. Eliot famously said, "Mr. Chesterton's mind swarms with ideas. I have seen no evidence that it thinks." But Eliot also considered Chesterton essential to his conversion to Christianity later in life.

>> No.10209890

>>10209761
>>10209763
Very hard to tell a difference desu

>> No.10210018

>>10208596
>18 May 1888
keked and checked

>> No.10210043

My writing prof told me he loves my writing style today, who else /future greats/ here?

>> No.10210470

Tacitus, Pliny the younger, and Seutonius all knew each other and made several correspondences.
Tacitus and pliny practiced law together.
A letter also exists where Seutonius describes having a bad dream in which he fairs poorly at court so he asks Tacitus to move the court date. Tacitus tells him to get over it

>> No.10210502

>>10207784
until she went even more nuts than her father kek

>> No.10210514

>>10207784
?
this wasn't "two great writers meeting"
I thought it was a well known fact that Beckett was part of Joyce's entourage for a long time
Beckett actually transcribed all of Finnegan's Wake, Joyce had already gone mostly blind by the time he began composing it
they together almost at all times in France
Joyce forcing his schizophrenic daughter on Beckett was one of the reasons they actually parted ways

>> No.10210560

>>10208550
If you didn't realize this before the thread, you're retarded

>> No.10210719

Apparently Saul Bellow and John Green briefly crossed paths at the Iowa writers workshop. Bellow dropped by Green's dorm during the breakfast hour and the lesser writer, stunned and flattered, invited him to sit. Bellow did not sit down, pacing and conducting a rapid fire interrogation of the young man, finally shouting "Have you ever even seen a vagina, Greeny?!?". When Green, stammering, admitted he had not, Bellow, with his famed cat-like reflexes leapt on the table and skillfully mounted Green's cereal bowl. Bringing himself to orgasm with a few powerful thrusts, he locked eyes with Green and whispered "That's why you read Plato" just as he ejaculated deeply into the young man's Cheerios.

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10210832

Stan Brakhage meets Andrei Tarkovsky. One of the funnets encounters between two artists i have evner read.

https://people.ucalgary.ca/~tstronds/nostalghia.com/TheTopics/Brakhage_and_Tarkovsky.html

>> No.10210896

Joyce provoked brawls in taverns and told Hemingway to deal with them.

>> No.10210935

>>10209372
>enters a thread with interesting stories of famous authors
>why is no one discussing serious things :((
i bet you have no friends
mate kill yourself

>> No.10210939

>>10209297

>Schopenhauer is a pathetic second-rate philosopher who's only modern adherents are upper class sheltered racists

Inclined to agree with the first part in the context of academic philosophy, but the second is flat out wrong. Schopenhauer is remarkable in that he is a philosopher for the literati. He was venerated not only by Borges, but by Zola, Maupassant, Mann, Beckett, Tolstoy, Strindberg and Kafka. Philosophically, he inspired Nietzsche, Kierkegaard and Wittgenstein, three of the all time greats. Assuming that this history of reception among great minds is done today, based on your extremely limited knowledge of him obviously gleaned from 4chan (>>10209340) is fucking retarded.


So you can fuck off.

>> No.10210952

>>10209372

>This thread on an entirely anonymous board characterized by impermanent threads where people share gossip about famous writers reminds me of situations where people do this in order to leverage social status in contexts where there is neither anonymity or impermanence

You fucking suck at reasoning m8.

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>> No.10212188

>>10209151
>Ywn attend this party...

>> No.10212280

>>10207198
Oscar Wilde and Walt Whitman fucked

>> No.10212305

>>10207198
When Virginia Woolf was a child her family was friends with George Eliot and Henry James who apparently she saw fall out of his chair at dinner because he would lean his chair dramatically while he talked.
Also her and T.S. Eliot were besties.
And she had dinner with HG Wells

Also Hemingway used to send Faulkner correspondence letters trying to be friends with him and said, quote "we are Bros", but Faulkner didn't like him very much and never responded

>> No.10212523

>>10212188
They say it kind of sucked. Joyce and Proust probably didn't talk to each other or, at best, they talked about frivolous bullshit. Proust tried to talk with Stravinsky (the party was organized in honor of his new ballet premiere) about Beethoven. Because the autistic Proust didn't mention the ballet at all, Stravinsky felt offended and ended the conversation by shitting on Beethoven.

>> No.10213002

>>10209490
How did Hemmy ever find the time to write even a single short story in the midst of rampaging over Europe like the protean Chad-man of our demise.

>> No.10213023

>>10213002
Wasn't Hemingway filled with self-loathing, though?

>> No.10213039

>>10213002
didnt he have a broken dick? lots of sad nights alone, probably.

>> No.10213046

>>10213023
you need self-loathing for such a stampede like Hemingway took in Europe.
The urge to travel, to keep striving forward, is all an effort to one day finally outrun yourself. It's a self destructive impulse, even though it seems like lust for life on the surface.
I should know, I'm doing it now ;_;

>> No.10213512

Maupassant's mum asked Flaubert to tutor him in writing so he did.

>> No.10213885

>>10207910
Nathaniel Hawthorne is the main reason Moby-Dick was so much better than everything Melville had written before. Herman wrote The book and was almost finished when he met Hawthorne and they became buds. Then Melville wanted to impress Hawthorne so he took his novel which was just a plain whaling travelogue, and rewrote it, taking another year, to turn it into what it ended up being.

Google “two moby dicks theory”

>> No.10213900

>>10209258
If anything I feel Tolstoy would be the servicer in this story

>> No.10213955

Goethe meets everybody. He is god.

>> No.10214108

>>10213955
Dante Alighieri once met Virgil in a forest.

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>>10209340
toppest of keks

>> No.10214666

>>10213046
Hope you can sort yourself out, but before that please beat up Johnathan Safran Foer in shitty bar somewhere, thx

>> No.10214708

Proust wasn't French, he was a jew

>> No.10214728

Nietzsche and Dostoevsky

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>>10214708

>> No.10214829

>>10207198
Homosexual republican poet García Lorca and Falange's fundator José Antonio Primo de Rivera were close friends and they admired each other as intelectuals.

>> No.10214920

>>10209761
>>10209763
Why can't I stop laughing

>> No.10216806

>>10214666
Trips compel you.
>>10214708
Can't believe it took 100+ posts for this dumb troll to show up, usually he's all over proust stuff.

>> No.10217409

>>10207880
>>10207898

It's all overtwitter