Is Evola actually not based?

[Anonymous No.10163907]

"IQ is a social construct and a false god. I hereby proclaim the measurement of our esoteric principles and way of life to be not the lie of intelligence, but emotions- the seat of life, the reigns of a forest of pleasures. As far as we're concerned, IQ is, at best, a second ration notion used to create systematic inequality among the races and all peoples." - Evola.

What did he mean by this?

[Anonymous No.10163917]

Source?

I doubt he said that, but obsession with intelligence is one of the worst aspects of modern life.

[Anonymous No.10163922]

*second-rate, fuck you spell check.

[Anonymous No.10163927]

>>10163917
Trigger warning: She lost despite billions of dollars behind her.

[Anonymous No.10163928]

>>10163917

"L'uomo come potenza."

[Anonymous No.10163937]

>>10163907
Sauce?

[Anonymous No.10163941]

>>10163927
I did vote for her, but I do admire Trump's anti-intellectualism.

[Anonymous No.10163979]

>>10163941
Why do you even come on a right wing board?

[Anonymous No.10164020]

Weird quote in my opinion.

[Anonymous No.10164035]

>>10163907
>Is Evola actually not based?

You still think terms of Left and Right if you wanted Evola to side with you on IQ.

Evola would tell you that it doesn't matter whether can IQ can be shown to be lower or higher. It doesn't fit in with his value system.

IQ is a sign of Scientism and Modernity.

[Anonymous No.10164058]

>>10164035

IQ is our best means of measuring intelligence. Why would Evola attack that as creating inequality? Does he mean that it's not a real means of inequality, that true inequality stems from the metaphysical and from power?

[Anonymous No.10164108]

>>10164058
Intelligence can only be defined when it is directed towards a goal. It must be measured as an ability in completing tasks.

What tasks? What fucking goals? To idolise iq above all else is to place blind roboticism on a fucking pedestal.

[Anonymous No.10164111]

>>10164058

>IQ is our best means of measuring intelligence.

It is scientism you literal meme.

>Why would Evola attack that as creating inequality?

Because he is consistent with his ideological position and you want to find any reason that you can to legitimize your hatred of dem negruz; even if it means opportunistically electing scientism to do so.

[Anonymous No.10164233]

>>10164058
Well let's put it this way, does the size of your dick even matter if you're never even getting your dick wet?

[Anonymous No.10164258]

>>10163941
>seeing politics as a conflict of ideals rather than a conflict of interests
>calling other anti-intellectual

Wew lad

[Anonymous No.10164277]

>>10164258
/thread

[Anonymous No.10164301]

>>10163979
One might be even tempted to call it a safespace.

[Anonymous No.10164425]

>>10163917
Or is it the fact that modern life is becoming increasingly IQ dependant?

[Anonymous No.10164431]

>>10164425
Insofar as it's used to shield our society's elites, yes.

[Anonymous No.10164439]

>>10164425
>>10164431

Do you even understand how IQ works?

[Anonymous No.10164440]

>>10164439
Do you?

[Anonymous No.10164445]

>>10164440
As much as someone that has looked into it and realized it's not that important. If you don't wanna take my word for it check what IRL geniuses say about it.

[Anonymous No.10164470]

>>10164439
Have you ever considered its social function?

[Anonymous No.10164479]

>>10164470
That's emotional intelligence. People who end up in politics or psichiatry or investigative work that requires dealing with people one on one or shit like that have it: they understand social cues, read reactions, etc. A perfect example is Werner Herzog: see the interviews in his docu features. He gets the man in front of him after a couple of minutes and cuts right to the chase

[Anonymous No.10164496]

>>10164058
IQ is not the best means of testing intelligence

[Anonymous No.10164512]

>>10164058
>IQ is our best means of measuring something we can't even define
gets me thinking

[Anonymous No.10164516]

OP, you just made up that quote didn't you you obnoxious faggot

[Anonymous No.10164540]

>>10164479
>The social function of a system intended to measure intelligence is actually another system that measures something else
What?

[Anonymous No.10164611]

>>10164058
>IQ is our best means of measuring intelligence
What, exactly, is intelligence? Don't say "that which IQ measures" either.

There's a reason why the concept of IQ is thought of by many in the academy to be dubious.

[Anonymous No.10164631]

>>10164611
The notion that there is a factor g that can be measured at least indirectly by IQ which is predictive of a number of relevant outcomes is relatively uncontroversial in academia.

[Anonymous No.10164639]

mensa assesses me to be intelligent

who wants to outargue me to feel fuddlywinx

[Anonymous No.10164641]

>>10164631
>yea bro there's this thing that we'll call the SMARTS PART of your brain, and uhh well it's so big that it can probably also be measured by our IQ tests
>the g factor might not affect all intelligence factors in a proportional way? lol of course it does who needs to prove this it's so obvious amirite xD
remind me why psychometrics isn't a pseudo science

[Anonymous No.10164656]

>>10164641
Tremendous insight, let me know when your award winning paper is debunking the state of the field is published in Nature

[Anonymous No.10164662]

>>10164656
I thought high IQ people were able to properly structure a phrase.

[Anonymous No.10164663]

>>10164656
I mean it took the largest death toll in humanity for people to realise eugenics was pseudo-science so I doubt anyone will get rid of psychometrics any time soon

[Anonymous No.10164664]

>>10164641
> he thinks IQ is incompatible with multiple intelligences

I know which side of the bell curve you're on.

[Anonymous No.10164667]

>>10164662
Joke is on you, my IQ is 85 but even I can see you're wrong.

[Anonymous No.10164670]

>>10164664
Multiple intelligences? Like what, Gates and Hawking and Fermi? Or Mossad, CIA and DGSE? The fuck are you on about? How come high IQ people always sound like tryhard retards trying to appear smart?

[Anonymous No.10164692]

>>10164667
I can't tell if you're being intentionally illiterate or not. Suck a dick either way.

[Anonymous No.10164699]

>>10164670
It's clear you have no idea what you're talking about.

http://www.institute4learning.com/resources/articles/multiple-intelligences/

[Anonymous No.10164704]

>>10164692
>being this mad and this wrong at the same time

[Anonymous No.10164709]

>>10164699
Tep kok, did you just post an article that contradicts your position on the IQ issue?

[Anonymous No.10164719]

>>10164709
Oh honey, just stop. IQ can be predictive and incomplete at the same time, and Gardner isn't even the only voice on the topic. Read more.

[Anonymous No.10164722]

>>10164709
>>10164664

[Anonymous No.10164736]

>>10164699
>>10164719
What reason do we have to believe that this "g factor" influences all parts of our intelligence in an equal way, in fact it's far more likely this isn't the case at all
And if it isn't the case then IQ tests are severely limited

This is what happens when you create a "science" based entirely off studies

[Anonymous No.10164745]

if you study any of the things Evola wrote about in depth you'll realize that he was a dilettante

[Anonymous No.10164786]

>>10163917
I agree, it's life-denying

[Anonymous No.10164792]

>>10164745
what's wrong with being dilettante

[Anonymous No.10164821]

>>10163917
Evola frowns upon your misuse of "intelligence"

[Anonymous No.10164824]

>>10164058
you don't fucking understand Evola at all if you think that's our best means of "measuring intelligence"

fucking moron. how do you read evola and miss this? read some guenon for chrissake you stupid piece of shit

[Anonymous No.10164832]

>>10164058
Ironically a low IQ'd comment.

[Anonymous No.10164834]

>>10164058
Mate how many smart but lazy people do you know? Those probably have high IQs, but suck at life. IQ can't measure things on an individual level, even astrology has a better chance of that.

[Anonymous No.10164841]

>>10164834
>smart but lazy
That's just what losers love to call themselves.

t. smart but lazy

[Anonymous No.10164845]

>>10164841
No, many of those literally are high IQ people. But IQ doesn't mean much regarding your life choices.

Rationalism and scientism is life-denying at it's core.

[Anonymous No.10164849]

>>10164845
>muh life-affirmation
Grab your copy of Thus Spoke Zarathustra and go live in the bushes like the nigger you are.

[Anonymous No.10164853]

>>10164849

Not that anon but the fact that you made that your takeaway from his post says a lot.

[Anonymous No.10164878]

>>10164663
The death toll simply put all seriousness in the world and life to the quarantine of the minds.

[Anonymous No.10165047]

>>10164445
So you haven't looked into it enough. Have you read the bell curve?

[Anonymous No.10165114]

>Evola isn't LE BASED because he isn't a materially obsessed scientific prole
stand still dickhead

[Anonymous No.10165133]

>>10165047

>Have you read the bell curve?

Go back to /pol/ with the other materialist addled scientism peddlers who are the inverse kin of that which they claim to loathe. These myopic fools can't even see that they're nothing more than the bizarro left.
>b-but the b-bell curve

[Anonymous No.10165143]

>>10165133
To be fair you hand to have a high IQ to understand the bell curve

[Anonymous No.10165481]

>>10164663
you're not talking about the holohoax are u?

[Anonymous No.10165552]

>>10164792
t. Dilettante

[Anonymous No.10165654]

>>10164058
t. bugman

[Anonymous No.10165709]

>>10163907
people back then didnt consider negros human at all so the arguement doesnt apply to them because theyre just assumed (rightfully) to be lesser races

[Anonymous No.10165712]

>>10165709
Someone like Evola would have a greater distaste for the englishman than of the negro.

[Anonymous No.10165835]

Niggers are going to nig. Evolas are going to evola.

[Anonymous No.10166438]

>>10164786
>>10163917
/thread

[Anonymous No.10166542]

>>10163907
Why does he look like such a stupid fucking faggot? He has the face of a 16 year old neo-nazi LARPer. He's probably the only author whose work I refuse to read on the grounds that he's just too ugly.

[Anonymous No.10166553]

>>10163907

He's Alan Watt's evil twin brother.

["Anonymous" No.10166931]

>>10166553
He kind of is, for me at least. The funny part is that while Evola is all about truth and greatness there's something in him that just wants to destroy and dissolve everything, and while he stresses practice and determination he is always making concessions; meanwhile Watts says it's all a joke but you need discipline to be happy at all, and while he talks of different doctrines as if they all talked about the same thing he never really forces them to mix and wouldn't support iconoclasm, even of modernity.

[Anonymous No.10167068]

>>10164512
Exactly. IQ is a real thing, but intelligence remains undefined. Certain things can be associated with IQ that we would also associate with intelligence, but since we cannot define intelligence and since IQ is not a perfect predictor of things we would associate with intelligence, it cannot be measuring intelligence itself.

[Anonymous No.10167079]

>>10165712
Because the enlightenment was the beginning of the real dark ages. The "problem" of the "negro" only exists as it does because of enlightenment thinking that thought it could shape the world without God, that we could build the tower to heaven without being cursed by tongues.

[Anonymous No.10167115]

I read this as an autistic view that IQ is some sort of ultimate factor to create a hierarchy of men is silly. However, I disagree that emotions are what a hierarchy of men should be based on.

[Anonymous No.10168211]

>>10164058
I cheat the IQ test because my last few years of schooling have all been logic based and IQ tests are just logic/pattern tests

[Anonymous No.10168230]

>>10167068
>but intelligence remains undefined.
It's defined. Read up on the g factor.

One of the things that really grinds my gears is the total ignorance of laypeople concerning the field of psychometrics (and I don't blame you, journalists are the worst offenders). The belief that intelligence cannot be measured is akin to the belief that the earth is flat.

[Anonymous No.10168240]

>>10168230
psychometrics are garbage and practically worthless

[Anonymous No.10168271]

>>10168240
Lol okay brainlet.

[Anonymous No.10168275]

>>10168230
The g factor isn't a fucking definition you retard
>Theg factor(also known as general intelligence, general mental ability or general intelligencefactor) is a construct developed in psychometric investigations of cognitive abilities and human intelligence
>CONSTRUCT
please understand the very basics of what you support before accusing others of being ignorant on the subject

[Anonymous No.10168283]

>>10168275
Yes, it's a construct, so is anything in physics.
>Newtonian physics is a construct! It's phony! You can't see gravity!

Kill yourself brainlet.

[Anonymous No.10168352]

>>10168283
K babe. make me a sandwich

[Anonymous No.10168398]

>>10168283
>yea bro, let's just call x something we can measure intelligence with
>x=intelligence now who needs definitions xD

there's a difference between a construct that is physically measurable and a construct that is purely hypothetical and can't be measured unless you already assume its validity

[Anonymous No.10168399]

What is happening ITT

[Anonymous No.10168428]

>>10163907
I feel like European romantic fascists like Evola would absolutely hate today's modern American anti-black "muh IQ" racists. There is something just so mediocre and insufferably suburban about the anti-black racist, their attitude is basically one of "I behave myself, why can't they?" and "I DO wish they would stop playing that hip hop trash in the subway, I'm trying to read my Blackberry!" It's nothing like the ideals of primordial greatness these men saw in their supposed Aryan race.

Also I wish these right-wing faggots would stop saying "based" to mean "racist". How many Lil B songs can you even name ?

[Anonymous No.10168484]

>>10168398
G can be measured through IQ tests sweetie.

[Anonymous No.10168498]

>>10168428
Yeah, fascists were not really that racist.

[Anonymous No.10168502]

>>10168484
is this level of retardation even possible?
do you not understand how circular your logic is? Are you triggering me on purpose with your stupidity?

You can measure IQ and you can measure your shitty g factor, that doesn't mean any of it is valid since you haven't even defined intelligence
You can't just fucking slap "g factor" onto something and think it corresponds to that, that isn't how logic works

[Anonymous No.10168567]

>>10168428
Completely true, they are very bourgeoisie and small-souled in outlook.

[Anonymous No.10168639]

>>10168502
I feel your pain but I think there may be a pro-level trolling going on .
>sweetie
this really does it for me

[Anonymous No.10168662]

>>10164639
Only count if you haven't done it before.
Or at least years between.

[Anonymous No.10168664]

>>10168399
Absolute idiots arguing about something they can't define from a position of superiority they have not earned or deserve and some fascist shitposting. Also, lots of incels.

[Anonymous No.10168790]

>>10163907
IQ is only useful for discerning if you're mentally retarded or not.

[Anonymous No.10168792]

Why would this surprise anyone? Evola always rejected the scientific biological racism of the Nazis, it was the culture he valued

[Anonymous No.10168866]

>>10163907
For once this hack says something right, and you are telling me he is not "based" for the only thing he said that isn't complete apeshit?

Read a book.

[Anonymous No.10168902]

ITT: people missing the point

It doesn't matter whether or not IQ tests are measuring intelligence, what matters is its role in predicting success at almost all walks of life: this is an undeniable fact. Low IQ people are literally incapable of functioning in a society focused on intellectual work

[Anonymous No.10168929]

>>10168902
But this is flat out wrong

Even the dumbest retard can become a tradie and make a good living, better than a lot of office jobs

[Anonymous No.10168938]

>>10168929
There's a clear, well-established correlation between IQ and income, achievements in education, low crime and others. The fact some dumb people turn out okay doesn't negate this

[Anonymous No.10168946]

>>10168902
>>10168938
>Low IQ people are literally incapable of functioning in a society focused on intellectual work
>The fact some dumb people turn out okay doesn't negate this
I guess IQ doesn't help with reaching logical conclusions :^)

[Anonymous No.10168957]

>>10168946
Blue collar work is intellectual?
I think you missed my original point. Once we go full-blown automation, these people will be unqualified (and unqualifiable) to most jobs. The society we're heading at, one where intellectual work is hegemonic, has no place for brainlets

[Anonymous No.10168990]

>>10168957
>Once we go full-blown automation
>The society we're heading at, one where intellectual work is hegemonic

[Anonymous No.10169051]

>>10165114
Good post.

[Anonymous No.10169054]

>>10166542
Probably because you got bullied by someone similar at school?

[Anonymous No.10169064]

>>10168990
based retard

[Anonymous No.10169116]

did he actually have magical powers?

[Anonymous No.10169168]

>>10168957
I'd imagine the first and easiest jobs to automate will actually be so called 'intellectual' ones. It's easier to program a robot to crunch numbers or analyse text than it is to get it to plumb a house or fix some faulty wiring. A lot of jobs that require a body and physical interaction with the world will actually end up much harder to automate.

[Anonymous No.10169451]

>>10163907
there once was a man named evola
who got a bad case of ebola
he gave up his ass
to a black tranny lass
he wasn't as based as they told ya

[Anonymous No.10169455]

>>10169451

[Anonymous No.10169458]

>>10169116
kek

[Anonymous No.10169466]

>Evola
it's kind funny seeing all these rat-faced rednecks LARPing as fascists and reading "fancy" thinkers like Evola. Do they actually consider themselves above the hordes of alt-righters who subscribe to Info Wars? lmao

[Anonymous No.10169492]

>>10169466
what did he mean by this?

[Anonymous No.10170229]

>>10166438
It really bothers me that those links are out of order