/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.10145028]

Is this book the cultural marxist manifesto?

[Anonymous No.10145034]

idk i never read it

[Anonymous No.10145037]

What's the run down on this
I heard it was very good but I know literally nothing aobut it

[Anonymous No.10145080]

>>10145037
>economic determinism and materialism are flawed
>capitalist can't be destroyed because cultural hegemony
>in order for a revolution to happen, we must subvert institutions such as schools and the military to raise class consciousness
>religion and the family unit are pillars to capitalistic cultural hegemony
>there is a political society and a civil society: the first coerces, the second consents
>capitalistic civil societies often make concessions to revolutionary forces, which little by little change cultural hegemony: passive revolution
>controling language itself is fundamental to achieve passive revolution, for the control of language means the control of the sphere of thought
>the media is the ultimate broadcaster of ideology, and the control of media along with schools, religion, language and others is necessary for a shift in cultural hegemony, allowing a passive revolution to happen

This is a really retarded summary, though. It's a collection of essays, and he discusses a plethora of other themes, most dealing with the ascension of Fascism in Italy

[Anonymous No.10145099]

>>10145080
Godamn sounds like I'd fucking hate him. the OP seems accurate

[Anonymous No.10146700]

>>10145099
What's interesting is that the alt-right are very much Gramscian, in that they are attempting to establish their own istitutions parallel to "liberal media" in much the same way that Gramsci intended for the left

[Anonymous No.10146722]

>>10145099
Gramsci is actually pretty good. He hated capitalist corporatist faggots who wanted to enslave his country and use his people to print money. He was imprisoned by fascists who had made a compact with those same capitalist fucks. And he had watched true socialism fail to get off the ground at the most critical moment in its history, the moment when it truly died as a political platform. He realised Marx had been corrupted by people whose idea of toppling the corrupt faggots at the top was to wait and see.

It's pretty easy to see why he wrote a manifesto for saving socialism and saving the little guy. Incidentally, Mussolini was also a radical socialist during this time, and the reason he went fascist is the same reason that Gramsci went "cultural marxist," which is more or less fascism also. It's just socialist fascism. They're both grassroots populism. The idea is the same: fuck capitalists, fuck people who run the country as a slave factory for printing money.

>>10146700
The Nouvelle Droite, which is the precursor to the alt right, is famously 'Neo-Gramscian'. Arguably the biggest Gramscians since Gramsci have all been ethnonationalists and fascists.

[Anonymous No.10148300]

>>10146722
Wtf I suddenly love Gramsci!

[Anonymous No.10148336]

>>10145028
This is.

[Anonymous No.10148362]

>>10146722
bash the fash! down with the problematic!

[Anonymous No.10148366]

DEATH TO INTELLIGENCE
LONG LIVE DEATH

[Anonymous No.10149312]

>>10146722
>true socialism
wew lad

[Anonymous No.10149321]

>>10148336
>tfw watched documentary called "From Caligari to Hitler" yesterday evening and didn't notice being subverted
I-I'ts not that bad, is it?

[Anonymous No.10149331]

>>10146722
Wait, do you approve of populism?

[Anonymous No.10149339]

>>10145080
I want to add you a few points to your post, since I can already see many people misreading it.
>>in order for a revolution to happen, we must subvert institutions such as schools and the military to raise class consciousness
Gramsci was an intellectual and a scholar, by this point he meant that he wanted to build a new notion of great culture out of communist ideals. His approach to Western culture was a positive and wholesome one, which is why he has dedicated so many pages to figures such as Macchiavelli, Dante, Croce and so on.

>>religion and the family unit are pillars to capitalistic cultural hegemony
He never fully rejected these institutions, and by his letters you might know that he took his role as a father EXTREMELY seriously (in fact I would say that he is a good traditional model for fatherhood). This sentence is tehcnically correct, but it might be misinterpreted due to contemporary critiques that do not really apply to Gramsci's thought. For contemporary standards, he was a conservative man.

>>controling language itself is fundamental to achieve passive revolution, for the control of language means the control of the sphere of thought
It's not about control, it's about expansion. Unfortunately for modern leftists, Gramsci saw censorship as a last resort, so much that he did not push for it during the rise of Italian Fascism, even if he had a significant amount of political power.


Once Gramsci got in prison, he stopped writing for a public. As such, his works are extremely honest, and can be appreciated independently of one's political creed. Many /lit/izens should read him more, they certainly would learn something about how political discourse take place.

[Anonymous No.10149410]

>>10146700
to beat the jew you must become the jew

[Anonymous No.10149503]

>>10146700
there is no difference between the poltards and what they call liberals, but the 2 are cancerous and fail to see this.

[Anonymous No.10149512]

>>10149503
Why is there no difference? And who calls them that?

[Anonymous No.10149574]

>>10149503
kek, what is this from?

[Anonymous No.10149598]

>>10146722
>The Nouvelle Droite, which is the precursor to the alt right, is famously 'Neo-Gramscian'. Arguably the biggest Gramscians since Gramsci have all been ethnonationalists and fascists.

>>10145080


How can these coexist?

[Anonymous No.10149603]

>>10149574
my diary desu

[Anonymous No.10149604]

>>10149512
Not that guy, but to me it seems obvious that the /pol/acks and the people they criticize (SJWs) operate almost identically. The latter see a woman get raped in a mainstream movie and they scream "patriarchy", the former see a black actor get a major role and they scream "cultural Marxism". They view politics like some fanatics view sports.

[Anonymous No.10149610]

>>10149512
>Why is there no difference?
What do you think the liberals are, exactly?

[Anonymous No.10149706]

>>10149604
Their hatred of Jews and their "tools" is ironic too, since /pol/ truly operates on raiding, propaganda, deception and manipulation.

[Anonymous No.10149743]

>>10149706
So do SJWs needless to say. Really, the fundamental reason both are so toxic is that they completely lack charity or respect for both "enemies" and potential "recruits". They're waging some sort of total cultural war that sane people don't want anything to do with.

[Anonymous No.10149766]

>>10149743
I agree with you, I have recently had real direct experiences with the SJWs people so often complain about and it has genuinely changed my opinion about those people who so often rant about it.
At the same time, I don't thinkt hat you should dismiss any discussion about culture only because it might be "culture war". Criticizing these illegitimate and dishonest forms of discourse is still the right thing to do, but it should be done as an effort for the greater Good, rather than just being a contrarian for the sake of it. People SHOULD get involved, but this does not imply that you have to subscribe to the stances of the charlatans that currently dominate the Western political discourse.

[Anonymous No.10149772]

>>10149604
That doesn't seem similar at all. They may employ similar strategies (I would even contest that), but their intellectual and political bases are compeltely, irrevocably different. Your infographic doesn't seem accurate either, it just points out (in some cases wrongly) words these groups might use at one point or another, but it's very surface-level

[Anonymous No.10149775]

>>10149610
I am asking that poster about what he meant, seems like he should anaswer first

[Anonymous No.10149782]

>>10149604
The main difference between /pol/hacks and SJWs is that at the very least SJWs come from a place of good. They're not trying to exploit, rather they are trying to bring justice. Most of them might be clueless and far too ignorant to justify their own claims, but this difference is undeniable. Never you'll find a SJW justifying genocide, rape, exploitation, but that is basically common sense on /pol/. Basically, one side has a moral compass and the other doesn't.
It may be arbitrary, but this is why I can only pity dumb tumblrinas, while I will actively hate a /pol/hack.

[Anonymous No.10149845]

>>10146722
Really irks me when someone links the ENR to the alt-right, as Nagle said none of these people are sitting reading de Benoist

[Anonymous No.10149878]

was this guy even a marxist?

I havent read him, but it sounds like he's an idealist

[Anonymous No.10149894]

>>10149878
He was a Leninist at heart, although he dismissed the USSR project in the mid '20s. In his Prison Journals he criticizes harshly Stalinism.

[Anonymous No.10151293]

>>10145028
Yes

[Anonymous No.10151330]

>>10149743
>>10149706
>>10149604
>>10149782
/Lit/ has a sadly high number of cucks lately

[johnathan armstrong brannigan !Y4n2LCfJnM No.10151387]

>>10149782
>at the very least SJWs come from a place of good
why would anyone believe this?
i mean /pol/ is shit too but why would you bother sticking up for a strawman?

[Anonymous No.10151394]

Thoughts on this? It's my first venture into Communist/socialist literature and I enjoyed it. Where should I go from here?

[Anonymous No.10151411]

>>10151387
Sticking for a strawman? Let me quote myself again:
>It may be arbitrary, but this is why I can only pity dumb tumblrinas, while I will actively hate a /pol/hack.
>Most of them might be clueless and far too ignorant to justify their own claims

I'm not sticking for them, I'm pitying them.

>>10151330
Boring.

[Anonymous No.10151505]

>>10149782
>The main difference between /pol/hacks and SJWs is that at the very least SJWs come from a place of good. They're not trying to exploit, rather they are trying to bring justice.
right-wingers are hardly sitting around thinking of the great evils they wish to commit, they, like the vast majority of people espousing a moral and social system, believe that it represents justice where others fail to do so. whether they are correct or incorrect is of course highly debatable but lets not make silly caricatures of our enemies.

> Never you'll find a SJW justifying genocide, rape, exploitation
i have seen those sorts of people justify all sorts of crimes against humanity in the name of communism and "social progress." killing the kulaks? justified. holodomor? never happened, according to them. the cultural revolution? a good thing, of course!

[Anonymous No.10151556]

>>10151411
Yes, your sort are very boring indeed.

[Anonymous No.10151559]

Gramsci is too theoretical and complex to contemporary leftist brainlets.

Their instruction manual nowadays is Laclau.

[Anonymous No.10151590]

>>10151394
The most far fetched fiction I've ever read, and I'm a big fan of ludicrous sci-fi. Also, very preachy, but that's to be expected. I don't regret reading it, though.

[Anonymous No.10151744]

>>10151559
>radical democracy
I suspect this term has nothing to with democracy

[Anonymous No.10151873]

>>10151394
Socialism: Utopian and Scientific by Engels

[Anonymous No.10153250]

>>10149598
Why couldn't they? The Nouvelle Droite applied Gramscian strategy to further right-wing interests

[Anonymous No.10153422]

>>10151330
>cucks
neck yourself

[Anonymous No.10153423]

>>10149604

[Anonymous No.10153554]

>>10149339
Thanks for expanding. For reals.

[Anonymous No.10153869]

>Cultural Marxism
>>>/pol/

[Anonymous No.10153887]

>>10153869
> >>>/pol/
>>>/trash/

[Anonymous No.10153914]

>>10145028
is the current right better at gramsciing than the current left?

and why are italian commies and fascist so much better than the german ones?

[Anonymous No.10154056]

>>10148366
Astray... Easy on the fascism.

[Anonymous No.10154516]

>>10153914
>and why are italian commies and fascist so much better than the german ones?
More like
>Why are italian ideas so much better than the german ones?
and
>Why are italians so much shitter at doing actually doing things than then germans?

[Anonymous No.10154529]

>>10153914
He was a big guy...

[Anonymous No.10154534]

>>10154516
i guess that makes sense

[Anonymous No.10154554]

>>10153914
>>10154529
Lot of belly for a communist!

[Anonymous No.10154562]

>>10153914
>>10154554
spaghetti communism

[Anonymous No.10154654]

>>10153914
Italian fascists are retarded.

[Anonymous No.10154846]

>>10154654
Was he in Australia?

[Anonymous No.10154880]

>>10154654
All fascists are retarded.

[Anonymous No.10154909]

no. that's gotta be something by the frankfurt school

[Anonymous No.10155037]

>>10153914
>italian