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[Anonymous No.10139837]

>"America ... has created a 'civilization' that represents an exact contradiction of the ancient European tradition. It has introduced the religion of praxis and productivity; it has put the quest for profit, great industrial production, and mechanical, visible, and quantitative achievements over any other interest. It has generated a soulless greatness of a purely technological and collective nature, lacking any background of transcendence, inner light, and true spirituality. America has [built a society where] man becomes a mere instrument of production and material productivity within a conformist social conglomerate."

[Anonymous No.10139844]

[Anonymous No.10139857]

>>10139844
>"The Americans are the living refutation of the Cartesian axiom, "I think, therefore I am": Americans do not think, yet they are."

[Anonymous No.10139863]

>>10139857

[Anonymous No.10139894]

>>10139837
Looks like I'm delving into Evola, because this could not be a greater description of my country. Good lord, I'm going to become a gigantic fascist turd aren't I?

[Anonymous No.10139905]

>>10139894
Evola wasn't a fascist. His philosophy lines up best with aristocracy based on spirit, that clashes with fascisms populist ideals.But fascists do like him.

[Anonymous No.10139906]

>>10139857
That's not a refutation. The axiom says that if you think, then you are. But it doesn't say that if you don't think, then you are not.

[Anonymous No.10139911]

>>10139894
the type of things evola writes about in his book are pretty different to fascism tho

[Anonymous No.10139912]

>>10139857
Damn, that's pretty brutal.

[Anonymous No.10139913]

Everything feels so sterile here in America. Soulless. Cookie-cutter everything.

[Anonymous No.10139919]

>>10139913
Yeah, that's what happens when you don't explore your country.

[Anonymous No.10139925]

>>10139913
This. Glad I'm not alone in my thinking. Why do we think this is? Unfettered capitalism? Disconnect between urban, suburban, and rural communities? Dissonance between our underlying ideals and practice? Everything being for sale? I can't pinpoint why I detest living here so much, but it is indeed a shallow, soul-sucking place.

[Anonymous No.10139930]

>>10139919
How could you possibly make that assumption based on his post? I have traveled most of the country. This made it worse. Middle America is an embarrassment to western civilization, cities like New York and Los Angeles are entertaining but ultimately overstimulating and overcrowded. The landscape is beautiful, so maybe I'd love it if I chose to be a hermit in the hinterlands.

[Anonymous No.10139931]

>>10139925
It's because you continued the sheltered life your parents built for you instead doing something adventurous.

[Anonymous No.10139936]

>>10139931
Stop talking, you're not making a single good point.

[Anonymous No.10139938]

>>10139919
America has no soul? What about artisanal kimchi food trucks, DAD?

[Anonymous No.10139937]

>>10139930
You can't just travel, you have to actually live somewhere and become a part of its community for a while. You're skimming the surface and asking why you can't find any depth.

[Anonymous No.10139939]

>>10139931
>butthurt army fag

[Anonymous No.10139941]

>>10139939
No, I went the homeless route, actually. Stressful but interesting.

[Anonymous No.10139945]

>>10139937
Where should I live Anon? I've lived in the suburbs of Indiana and NYC. Open to other options and actively looking, actually. I want a cozy mid sized town where I can spend weekends camping or reading in a park, and weeks in relative normalcy. Essentially some place like how I imagine ashville.

[Anonymous No.10139957]

>>10139911
Yes. At times Evola makes arguments that are highly reminiscent of the Frankfurt School (like OP)

[Anonymous No.10139959]

>>10139945
Somewhere around the northern part of the Mississippi river, maybe. The bluffs and forests are great for camping, the towns are probably the kind of size you're describing. If you're willing to go a little more desolate, Montana is another great choice, especially if you want empty ski runs at your disposal.

[Anonymous No.10139960]

>>10139837
I like anime

[Anonymous No.10139967]

>>10139959
Will I find a girlfriend at any of these places?

[Anonymous No.10139971]

>>10139957
not sure about Frankfurt guys, but Evola and Debord go hand in hand imo

[Anonymous No.10139983]

>>10139913

I have a feeling you may be projecting your depression onto your surroundings to a degree, as many people do.

[Anonymous No.10139988]

Hating America is cliche

[Anonymous No.10139990]

>>10139913
Growing up in it. Even if you've never heard anyone ever questioning it or mentioning it. You can feel there's something essential missing. It's like living in a bubble. It's either in or out. It's either good or bad. There's no gray or in-between. No room to play.

[Anonymous No.10139996]

>>10139837
>America ... has created a 'civilization' that represents an exact contradiction of the ancient European tradition. It has introduced the religion of praxis and productivity; it has put the quest for profit, great industrial production, and mechanical, visible, and quantitative achievements over any other interest
And?

[Anonymous No.10140013]

>>10139988
Agreed, maybe I'm just a contrarian, but now that the left and right all agree that America is the worst thing ever to happen, I'm beginning to like it. Maybe it's an unsustainable middle ground, but I like that it's not as cosmopolitan as the rest of the Anglosphere nor as parochial as the fashy Eastern Euro countries. Could have a higher rule of law/public safety rating, like Asia, tho.

A lot of the complaints about "muh soullessness" and "muh production" come from people who are too unimaginative to come up with anything more interesting for themselves to do than political agitation. "But cultural meaning has historically always been collective!" Yeah, so what; the middle ages are over, it's time to grow up. If you can't handle it, I'm sure your local church would love to have you.

[Anonymous No.10140018]

>>10139996
And when you die and you're faced with eternal nothingness, you'll realize and violently regret the value placed on material, shallow, fleeting pursuits, and begin weeping like a coward.

[Anonymous No.10140023]

>>10139988
>>10140013
DUDE, IF I'VE HEARD IT TOO MANY TIMES THEN IT MUST BE WRONG, LMAO

You are exactly the kind of plebeian filth that Evola hates. You change opinion simply because it's "cliche". You look for the next contrarian opinion to seem hip and to excite yourself one more time.

Pathetic!

[Anonymous No.10140029]

>>10140018
>when you die
>then you'll realize
If you can't handle it, stop whining and g o b a c k t o c h u r c h

[Anonymous No.10140034]

>>10140023
>this much vitriol
Oh my, aren't we just thumotic! Everyone watch out, Ubermensch coming through!

[Anonymous No.10140037]

>>10139906
fuck now i feel stupid...

[Anonymous No.10140038]

>>10140023
It's wrong AND cliche. Like Malthus.

[Anonymous No.10140046]

>>10139906
>I didn't get it

[Anonymous No.10140047]

>>10140013
>Asia
>Public Safety

lol lmao

[Anonymous No.10140073]

So, what book am I reading to get Evola trashing America?

[Anonymous No.10140085]

america is refugee camp with mcmansions instead of tents. no soul.

[Anonymous No.10140130]

>>10140029
Semantics, faggotron

[Anonymous No.10140135]

>>10140130
The difference between existing and not existing seems like quite a bit more than semantics

[Anonymous No.10140142]

>>10139837
>>10139857

wtf I love Julius Ebola now

[Anonymous No.10140146]

>>10139905
He was a Super Fascist

[Anonymous No.10140149]

Is the diagnosis multiculturalism or is there something more?

[Anonymous No.10140168]

>>10140149
Hard to diagnose when no tangible symptoms have been presented. I'm not sure how Evola planned to prove that America lacked spirituality more than Europe.

[Anonymous No.10140188]

>>10139837
Screw Evola and all other philosophers who have to jack themselves over "muh perfect society" that will never happen instead of taking an active role in today's society. (What any non-brainlet would do)
Their ideal societies will NEVER happen because of Capitalism. This however is a good thing. Neoliberalism is the only ideology that works, and makes profits. Get on or get run over.

[Anonymous No.10140194]

>>10140188
>This however is a good thing. Neoliberalism is the only ideology that works, and makes profits. Get on or get run over.

JUST

[Anonymous No.10140199]

Reminder that this is what you look like when you talk about Evola.

[Anonymous No.10140258]

>>10140194
Notice the lack of argument from the buttblasted fascist/libertarian/ideologist when he notices someone cares more about financial capability over his meme ideology that he uses to console himself about his inferiority. Point and laugh.

[Anonymous No.10140269]

>>10140258
Imagine being such a brainlet that you think neo-Liberalism is non-ideological.

Imagine being such a brainlet that you think Evola was in any way a supporter of Fascism or Libertarianism.

[Anonymous No.10140285]

>>10140168
Is it actually something you need to prove? Take a look at the lives and myths in America. It's all fabricated.

[Anonymous No.10140291]

>>10140285
If it's so obvious it should be very easy to prove

[Anonymous No.10140292]

>>10140149
Evola was writing this stuff far before multiculturalism became a thing, so multiculturalism is just a new symptom of an old disease. Maybe its just Utilitarianism, the philosophy of autism.

[Anonymous No.10140316]

>>10140168
http://www.juliusevola.net/textarchive/theusa.html
The quotes from this thread are from his essay American "civilization". I feel like here he is sort of criticizing "tabula rasa" and it's implications on American culture

[Anonymous No.10140327]

>>10140291
>USA is the center of the Western civilization now that it is in rapid decay.
>USA is incapable of having architecture
>Most obvious political scam in the history of mankind is in control for centuries
>It is the great melting pot of cultures, races, languages, religions, ideologies; all in the name of mammon, it devours them.
>Identities are for sale; American fanatics teaching Europeans how to be "white"
>Most obesity in any western nation; you are what you eat, cattlegoy.
>Dons the name of freedom, but surveillance, police, secret services and the military are treading on every pacifier principle they sold to their people
Europe is merely crippled and bullied, but USA has sold its soul to the devil. Hence the deal with Israel, genital mutilation

[Anonymous No.10140346]

>>10140013
Right on dude

[Anonymous No.10140348]

Says a guy who killed a bunch of people in Africa.

[Anonymous No.10140435]

>>10140348
so what?

[Anonymous No.10140456]

>>10140435
I don't know about you, but I don't think breaking out of prison and killing so many people is okay

[Anonymous No.10140462]

>>10140348
>>10140456
I cant find anything about this, are you SURE Julius Evola broke out of prison and murdered people?

[Anonymous No.10140488]

>>10140023
a good post
this is what the ideological arms race of the last few years has been: an ever escalating search for the latest untapped social capital source

[Anonymous No.10140496]

>>10139983
Perhaps, but I think he's right, and I've personally spent most of my life outside the US

[Anonymous No.10140510]

>>10140462
Dude it was all over the news just a few years ago about the Evola outbreak in west Africa, he killed like, thousands.

[Anonymous No.10140527]

>>10140510
o fug

[Anonymous No.10140532]

>>10139913
>>10139925
I'm glad I have dual citizenship, as soon as I save up some money I'm out. Living in modern America feels like living in a country that is on the edge of complete collapse.

[Anonymous No.10140535]

>>10140510
I laffed more than I should have

[Anonymous No.10140562]

>>10140510
kekd

[Anonymous No.10140570]

>>10139837
ITT: Americans who think that their country is the only industrialised capitalist hell-hole in the world

Frack off cunt

[Anonymous No.10140794]

>>10140570
America has hijacked the anglo culture. Britain, Canada and Australia now follow in suit of the American lifestyle.

>>10139837
Full text below:
https://archive.org/stream/JuliusEvola/JuliusEvola-1971-Americancivilization_djvu.txt

[Anonymous No.10140845]

>>10140047
Singapore is one of the safest cities in the world, if not THE safest.

>>10140023
Evola is a vulgar plebeian himself. He knows nothing about European art and high culture, just magic and eastern mysticism. It's a bunch of low brow shit white entrapping itself in the language of elitism.

I don't like America because other people hate it, I like it because I always have, because its early history is some of the best history the world possesses. Nevertheless, it is also cliche to hate it in the repetitive way you all do.

[Anonymous No.10140849]

>>10140845
>because its early history is some of the best history the world possesses.

You contradicted yourself, brainlet. So you don't like current America? Neither did Evola.

[Anonymous No.10140853]

>>10140845
>Singapore is one of the safest cities in the world, if not THE safest.

Hm, an incredibly expensive place to live that has a huge bourgeois foreign population and is a sea trading hub is safe, who could have guessed!

[Anonymous No.10140869]

>>10140849
I believe Evola dislikes the entirety of American history because he thinks its rooted in rejection of transcendent religion that governs society, and that it is "liberal."

I did not contradict myself; although I dislike some aspects of what America has become, I still think the greatness of its origins has emanated to the present and has preserved our Virtù quite well, especially considering the state of Europe in contrast.

>>10140853
New York is literally that as well, except its a crime-ridden shithole. Singapore has restrictions about how you sit on public transportation... its safety comes from regulation by the police to govern manners, which Western countries used to have.

Pro-tip: calling your opponent's [x] "bourgeois" doesn't automatically refute them.

[Anonymous No.10140871]

>>10139931
Like what? Go one a meme tier quest to "find myself" or go join the army to fight for someone I don't even know.

[Anonymous No.10140879]

>>10140845
Do not disrespect Baron Evola, swine.

[Anonymous No.10140882]

>>10140879
Evola is garbage. Read Nietzsche.

[Anonymous No.10140889]

>>10140882
Nietzsche lacked the transcendental element.

[Anonymous No.10140891]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4KcJTP8nW8

>actually disliking this

[Anonymous No.10140896]

>>10140889
That's precisely why I believe Evola is plebeian, because he hated reality so much that he deluded himself into believing in this "transcendental element," that he fled from Nietzsche in a bout of weakness because he could not take halcyon winds; they were too much for him, he had to duck into his realm of mystic negation of life in order to secure justification for his nihilistic hatred of the body.

[Anonymous No.10140925]

>>10140896
Swimming through a pile of shit for the sake of taking on "halcyon winds" is pretty stupid when clearly there is another way, and this was never his realm of mystical negation, there are others like him. Namely Rene Guenon.

[Anonymous No.10140927]

>>10140925
There are no piles of shit on mountain peaks. Does Rene Guenon want to overcome man? Do the transcendentalists want to overcome man? Or do they want to hunker under tired idols, and pray pain away?

[Anonymous No.10140928]

america is like a cross between a theme park and a shopping mall, oscillating between utter vacuity and an exhilarating blast. on the whole i think i like it.

[Anonymous No.10140936]

>>10140927
I don't see the mountain peak. what are you some kind of /pol/ Nazi who does not consider Nazi Germany as degenerate larpers attempting to steal high culture? The way to overcome man is not to become more of a man, man is clearly weak and the female even more so.

[Anonymous No.10140938]

>>10140869
>New York is literally that as well, except its a crime-ridden shithole.
lol no it's not, the taxi driver era is long over

[Anonymous No.10140941]

>>10139906
I mean, I guess.

[Anonymous No.10140952]

>>10139837
>it has put the quest for profit, great industrial production, and mechanical, visible, and quantitative achievements over any other interest

doesnt sound that bad to me

[Anonymous No.10140957]

>>10140285
Is there a problem with fabrication? If the life and ideas you want don't exist yet, you build them. That's the whole point.

[Anonymous No.10140959]

>>10140938
Have you been there recently? de Blasio has done a number on public safety.

>>10140936
Are you actually flinging "nazi" at me? lmao. I will leave you with this:

"Mankind must be overcome. The fool thinks he can be *jumped over*."

[Anonymous No.10140965]

>>10140959
>Have you been there recently?
a few days ago, yeah. i live just outside the city.

[Anonymous No.10141008]

>>10140965
So you like both Evola and New York City?

[Anonymous No.10141012]

>>10139894
>2017
>Not being a Zizekist-Evolaist

[Anonymous No.10141013]

>>10141008
never read evola. new york's alright if you like saxophones

[Anonymous No.10141028]

>>10141013
I don't :O

[Anonymous No.10141035]

>>10140959
That makes no sense, that's the equivalent of telling an ape to overcome himself by proving the Riemann hypothesis. Some things can't be overcome, if your state is a low one. Being a hard ass and not seeking help also leads to nothing, as everyone knows.

[Anonymous No.10141048]

>>10139837
Max Stirner > Evola

reading Evola gives you Ebola

[Anonymous No.10141053]

>>10140188
>mfw people in the past used to say the same shit you're talking about but about Feudalism
The world changes adapt or die homie

[johnathan armstrong brannigan !Y4n2LCfJnM No.10141081]

>>10140188
>Neoliberalism is the only ideology that works, and makes profits.
who even would say a thing like this? does eric fucking garland post on /lit/?

[Anonymous No.10141084]

Help a brother out >>10141031

[Anonymous No.10141127]

America is just a pile of shit with shit growing out of it.

[Anonymous No.10141144]

>>10140013
Most places in eastern Europe are shitholes compared to most places in the US or Canada. Same for Asia. You just have an exoticised view, if that's a word.

[Anonymous No.10141260]

>>10141012
>Year of Fayen 128
>Not being a Landian-Zizekian-Evolaist

[Anonymous No.10141273]

>>10139906
BTFO

[Anonymous No.10141282]

>>10139837
I like evola and he had interesting things to say, but I'm tired of evola on lit. Not a single thread of worth came out of evola posting. Its even worse on pol. Read him, not just his quotes and see his ideas outside of memes and the wikipedia page. Don't partake in any thread about evola until you've read at least half a book of his

[Anonymous No.10141634]

>>10139905
He called himself a "Superfascist" in court and his description of the third position, a bridge to the higher world that an emperor should represent, fits A.H. perfectly.

[Anonymous No.10141670]

>>10139906
yeah somewhat witty but not actually correct

[Anonymous No.10141674]

>>10139894
Plenty of other philosophers have said the same thing

[Anonymous No.10141676]

>>10140146
that actually sound pretty cool mang

[Anonymous No.10141680]

>>10139988
This

[Anonymous No.10141692]

>>10140149
It's the abandoning of the higher world and the glorification of the terrestrial. Multiculturalism is simply another offspring of this disease that has affected the Western world.

[Anonymous No.10141697]

>an exact contradiction of the ancient European tradition.
>ayo let me paint for a while in the style of a movement that consisted of cringey edgelords who would do away with the past altogether
what did the pretentious cretin mean by this

[Anonymous No.10141711]

>>10141692
>higher world
It's like you don't even want to be taken seriously

[Anonymous No.10141713]

>>10140135
Try explaining it without it

[Anonymous No.10141721]

>>10141711
That is the word Evola used. He talks about the existence two worlds. One being the terrestrial (natural), the other being the higher (supernatural) world.

[Anonymous No.10141728]

>>10141721
Sounds like a lunatic hack. No wonder he's popular with /pol/acks. Hats off brother kekistani!

[Anonymous No.10141739]

>>10141721
Thats basically Kant which Hegel curbstomped

[Anonymous No.10141741]

Daily reminder that Hitler was a demigod, the third position, the son of the sun, the bridge to the higher world. He alone could have brung about the Golden Age.

[Anonymous No.10141746]

>>10141741
Hitler was a simp, sad to say.

[Anonymous No.10141753]

>>10141728
/Pol/ has no idea what traditionalism is. Just take a look at their threads about Evola. And kekistanis are classical liberals and capitalists, things Evola wholeheartedly despised

[Anonymous No.10141769]

>>10141741
Hitler was the final test of German idealism and it couldn't actualize itself.

but boy he tried.

[Anonymous No.10141779]

What is Traditionalism really? Evola said that nations exists as higher principle and races, per Evola's concept of race; stemming not from biological but spiritual attributes, form governments and rule as sort of naturally concurring phenomenon, ancient romans forming this sort of rule and the nordics that kind and now christians and democracy is fucking it all up blabla... but how can you can just stand up and say that it stems from a higher plane? Why would you say it? Wouldn't his arguments been more firmly grounded in biological racial attributes? I just don't understand the guy.

[Anonymous No.10141788]

>>10141741
dabbin in 1938

[Anonymous No.10141796]

>>10141753
Yet they are among his bigger "fans". Yet fascists running around in paramilitary organisations provide footing to these very capitalists and liberals. It's like feeding someone with false pride for the achievements of men far greater than him or with a love for a tradition which had people knowing their place and obeying won't translate in him being a cog in the machine. Did Evola despise capitalists? Because he's definitely done a lot to support them. Don't get me started on liberals, they're just capitalists that think they have a moral high ground.

[Anonymous No.10141828]

>>10141779
Evola is anti-materialist, the idea of biological determinism is rightfully repulsive to him. This is the man who terms himself as an aristocrat of the soul, anon. He isn't trying to win the masses over with material or scientific evidence. He doesn't give a damn about the masses think or the elite of his time for that matter. He's a spiritual dogmatist and his natural law comes from higher planes

[Anonymous No.10141829]

>>10141796
Let me guess ur a Marxist.

[Anonymous No.10141857]

>>10139905
fascism is not populist. the people are represented by the state, not the other way around. the state does not conform to the people, the people conform to the ideals of the state

[Anonymous No.10141858]

>>10141796
/Pol/acks only know Evola from certain book recommendation threads. They do not understand that what they consider traditional (1950s America) is still anti-traditional to Evola. And calling Evola a capitalist-sympathizer is ridiculous. The whole concept of traditionalism is strictly anti-materialistic. Capitalists in Evolas view are of a lower caste (he calls them "demons") as they only regard the terrestrial world. A traditionalist despises the terrestrial world and strives for transcendence.

[Anonymous No.10141863]

>>10141858
/pol/ is a cuckservative board. their hate for islam says enough

[Anonymous No.10141871]

>>10141697
futurists are a representation of the warrior class

[Anonymous No.10141872]

>>10141828
I know he hated the utilitarian thinking, but jesus dude, if you write political theory, it should be somehow applicable. Disdain for materialism? Okay but he lived through the most industrialized war in human history, with clashing ideologies on all sides, you can't just stand on the side and say how you disagree with the materialistic turn the world took, it's do or die. I find the whole stance dishonest. He should have been a selfhelp guru instead of political theorist.

[Anonymous No.10141875]

>>10141872
except he's not a political theorist, I spit on your labels noob

[Anonymous No.10141882]

>>10141858
So, is Evola's attitude compatible with Jünger for whom hunting pigs in the forest was the idea of true life.

[Anonymous No.10141885]

>be Evola living in Vienna
>Allies bomb your city
>everyone hides in a shelter
>Evola thinks it's a great idea to talk a walk in the city and ask himself existential questions
>gets hit
>has to spend the rest of his life in a wheelchair

[Anonymous No.10141886]

>>10139857
OMG AMERICUNTS BTFO!!!!!!!!

t. euro

[Anonymous No.10141889]

>>10141885
*to take a walk

[Anonymous No.10141897]

>>10141882
His attitude is not about fighting the tiger of modernism, but to ride it until it gets tired so you can finally kill it and bring about the Golden Age. The Kali-Yuga, the last stage of the cycle, takes about 6000 years. It started about 2000 years ago, so we just have to wait another 4000 years until our time has come.

[Anonymous No.10141903]

>>10141885
not like he even gave a fuck. what a madman.

[Anonymous No.10141928]

>>10141885
Symbolizes well his general disconnection from reality.