/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.10131541]

Is the Alt Right just an expression of resentment towards nihilism and an attempt to impose meaning and structure onto their lives by inserting themselves into a narrative they previously had no relation or interest in?

[Anonymous No.10131572]

its a bunch of gaymers upset that there's going to be less titties in vidya, yes.

[Anonymous No.10131573]

Wtf was the point of Chasm?

[Anonymous No.10131588]

Of course, comrade! We need to save the world from these deluded Nazis! Then we can liberate the proletariat, PoCs, and LGBTQ folk! *poses with baseball bat*

[Anonymous No.10131589]

Why would you think that social policies and social norms have no relation to someone at all, let alone this one particular group?

[Anonymous No.10131614]

>>10131541
>>10131572
>>10131573
>>10131588
>>10131589
t. dumb

[Anonymous No.10131624]

>>10131589
It is not so much the social policies I am talking about, it is obvious why people take certain stands on immigration issues or against social justice politics, what I am referencing is the newfound identification of predominately white suburban Americas with 'European culture' and 'European history' despite the fact that these cultures are experienced by them primarily by proxy, via the watching of historical videos, youtube collages, listening to Wagner, or reposting pictures of Greek and Roman statues. They engage not in a real, physical culture, but in a virtual idealization they have of European culture they can obtain via internet windowshopping.

[Anonymous No.10131633]

>>10131624
They have better access to Western culture than people have ever had before.

[Anonymous No.10131660]

>>10131624
>larping to idealistic pictures of a culture you didn't experience first hand
>newfound
Yes, this has never occurred before except for literally the whole span of human civilization.

[Anonymous No.10131662]

>>10131541
Your post makes no sense.

[Anonymous No.10131676]

>>10131660
The difference between the Renaissance and the Alt Right is that the former actually adopted cultural ideas, beliefs, traditions, practices, whilst the former does not, it places itself in the European timeline despite not changing its way of life at all. They still sit at home and spend most of their days playing video games, eating fast food, watching anime, etc. Whereas Renaissance took from this idealization and then created something new social institutions, new ideas, with it, the Alt Right has not.

[Anonymous No.10131684]

>>10131676
>the Renaissance
>actually adopted cultural ideas, beliefs, traditions, practices

[Anonymous No.10131695]

>>10131541
The "alt right" is just the same old right, except one of them somehow learned about the internet and watched a youtube video about Bernays.

And since all the internet is now is people hoping in vain to make a living off of cuck-bucks, noone even remembers the old right, so it must be a totally new thing, right, please spare me a quarter sir, I can't afford the loo.

[Anonymous No.10131698]

>>10131541
This question implies some assumptions about the Alt Right that I'm not sure are true.

[Anonymous No.10131710]

>>10131676
>singles out Renaissance
>egyptians fapping to Old Kingdom
>Mesopotamians and Middle East cross-fapping to various Great Kingdoms
>Chinese fapping to <insert previous dynasty>
>Romans fapping to Greeks
>all of Europe fapping to Romans and Greeks
>all of Europe fapping to <insert Empire name>
>every nationalistic regime fapping to <when we wuz kangz>
Most of this was perverted, idealistic and totally superficial, not really reverting the status quo or stopping the natural societal progress.

[Anonymous No.10131717]

>>10131541
I protest the Nick Land picture being used for a thread on the alt-right. He is anti-populist, anti-human, anti-tradition. If the alt-right are interested in him, it's because they like that he's a racist and bitches about the leftist academy. "Enemy of my Enemy"... Nick Land has thrown the alt-right under the bus numerous times.

[Anonymous No.10131723]

>>10131633
Actually a fair point

[Anonymous No.10131750]

>>10131717
Most attempts of critique of "new right" (in itself a misnomer) amount to a moronic conflation of various disparate, misaligned or even outright hostile groups.

[Anonymous No.10131780]

>>10131541
to be fair the pink haired leftoids who are into making up new and exciting genders and sexualities are even more far gone. And these people are getting institutional support and encouragement for what are essentially 'progressive' fursonas.

http://genderfluidsupport.tumblr.com/gender

[Anonymous No.10131785]

>/pol

[Anonymous No.10131794]

>>10131750
>sweeping generalizations are wrong
>t. alt-right

[Anonymous No.10131795]

>>10131717
The thing is, he is interested in the alt-right. Just because you can't claim him for yourself /leftypol/ doesn't mean you should feel bad for that.

[Anonymous No.10131818]

>>10131780
The modern world is bleak and depressing af and it's not worth it getting your ready made identity from the official bureaucratic channels. I could lay claim to my marginalised identity as a genderfluid autistic Latinx (grandma on dad's side was Mexican) and go on accumulating social capital for all eternity but instead I've decided to take the opposite more subversive route and become a Reactionary White Dude™

[Anonymous No.10131820]

>>10131794
Why do I even open these threads anymore?

I'm out.

[Anonymous No.10131880]

>>10131541
No, it was how /pol/ was able say bush did 7-11 without discarding their own right wingedness. It's just another version of the "but my unique version of [political ideal] has never been tried!" meme, a new label used to shoo away any blame for past failures without actually changing anything. Most of the new attributes it has taken on are either just a matter of the so-called "old right" being more honest about their actual intentions, or a result of youth being more vocal about memes. At the end of the day, Yiannopoulos is to Zizek what Rand is to Stirner. Just don't waste your time with the meme-right, you'll always get a dumbed down/wrong version of something someone else has said better.

[Anonymous No.10131892]

>>10131880
>Yiannopoulos is to Zizek what Rand is to Stirner

[Anonymous No.10131896]

>>10131795
If anything, Land's politics are closer to Libertarianism or pro-business Neo-Conservatism. Aside from being maligned by the mainstream, he shares nothing in common with the alt-right.

[Anonymous No.10131904]

>>10131633
europe cant unilaterally be described as "western", anon

[Anonymous No.10131909]

>>10131892
Compare the depth with which Yinnaopoulos talks about things like dirty jokes to how someone like Zizek can. Milo's whole shtick is that he likes making people angry and that it's his right to be a flaming faggot about it. Zizek actually talks on how things like racist humor function in social interaction, and is actually intelligent enough to understand that you can be a different person behind open and closed doors, unlike your typical alt-righter who takes it to be "inauthentic" to not say nigger to every last person you meet.

[Anonymous No.10131937]

>>10131909
This kills the Wittgensperg.

[Anonymous No.10131939]

>>10131795

I don't think anyone other than individuals (namely many of us here on /lit/) actually want to get anywhere close to Land with a 10 ft. pole. Whatever you political group you think is aligned with Land's ideas, must not really understand his ideas; he's not a conservative and is not progressive in the conventional sense, and if things go the way he thinks they are going, we're heading towards extinction (i.e a very bad political platform).

[Anonymous No.10131946]

>>10131909
>>10131937
wrong thread

[Anonymous No.10131960]

Is modern philosophy just a projection of beta faggots who couldn't fit into society so they made up excuses why everyone but them was wrong?

[Anonymous No.10131961]

>>10131624
Canada and the USA have more in common with Britain than Lithuania does. They share a language, overlap historically, live under the common law, and have been allies for a century now. Why pretend that "europe" is a meaningful term in this context?
>be living under a western gov't built by my western ancestors, and practice a western religion while speaking a western language
>w-why do you feel culturally close to western europe?

[Anonymous No.10131968]

>>10131960
>modern philosophy just a projection of beta faggots
philosophy*

[Anonymous No.10131970]

>>10131909
Zizek peddles cliches as old as the sun. Only morons who haven't perused the.m Western canon for a bit think he's original or makes good points

[Anonymous No.10131995]

>>10131960
>I'm too retarded to comprehend these five dollar words so I'm going to treat them as hostile just in case
Alt-right in a nutshell.

[Anonymous No.10132009]

>>10131710
Someone please post that pasta about how every empire is fapping to the aesthetics of some previous empire lmao

[Anonymous No.10132010]

>>10131970
and he peddles them properly, unlike Milo who's just retarded.

[Anonymous No.10132022]

>>10132010
>he peddles them properly
Oh, no doubt. He's mastered all the old tricks to garnering a body of moron followers.

[Anonymous No.10132026]

>>10131961
>Why pretend that "europe" is a meaningful term in this context?
>we westarn yurop n shiet
So which one is it?

[Anonymous No.10132029]

>>10131995
>he thinks those are five-dollar words
Progressivetards in a nutshell

[Anonymous No.10132034]

>>10132026
Because part of europe is? Gosh, you're not very bright.

[Anonymous No.10132050]

>>10131541
fascism or proto-fascism is a traditionalist response to rapid technological change. People who grew up with the internet cannot help but recognize a conflict between the value their parents and communities (who did not grow up with the internet) instilled in them and the new social future they inhabit.

Rather than disavow traditional values the fascist generates a pseudo-tradition which is compatible with the new social reality and which they believe solves the conflict. They imagine ways in which new technologies could reaffirm traditions and return them to 'glory'.

[Anonymous No.10132051]

>>10132034
>we have a lot in common with Britain
>we western yurop
Are you retarded or just attracted to the word "western"? Western Europe is not Britain alone.

[Anonymous No.10132052]

>>10132022
In the worst case scenario they're morons in the same sense that the originator of the rick and morty copypasta is a moron. The people who like him like him too much, that's pretty much it. Same for Stirner, so the analogy holds, since unlike Rand, Stirner isn't a complete retard himself.

[Anonymous No.10132057]

>>10132052
>that the originator of the rick and morty copypasta is a moron
assuming he didn't make it with the intent of it becoming a copypasta as a joke, at least (though merely pretending isn't a lot better)

[Anonymous No.10132067]

>>10132052
>Stirner isn't a complete retard himself
>dude nothing matters lul egoism
Stirner is complete meme in every positive and negative sense of the word.

[Anonymous No.10132069]

>>10131818
This is also why I am against transgender and I believe they should get no rights. The whole thing is just a wacky teenage fad that got way out of control, gen z' 'mods', 'Rockers' 'emo's' 'furries' or whatever. It's obvious most 'trans people' are just doing it because it's trendy and they want to virtue signal like the 'woke' millennial snowflakes they are. Yet politically correct society indulges them. Seriously, these are blue haired middle class kids who 'learnt gay in college' as per Rachel Bloom's opus Sex Junk and want to mine it for social capital. Bill Nye is their God.

[Anonymous No.10132078]

>>10132067
stirner never held the position that "nothing matters, nor do egoists.

[Anonymous No.10132085]

>alt-right
literally a falseflag
up until mainstream media reported on said group, nobody knew about it. the very few mentions to an alt-right on /pol/ always referred to "them" rather than "us"

[Anonymous No.10132095]

Alt-right is basically mainstream media's self-fulfilling prophecy, I'm surprised /lit/ is constantly falling for it. Aren't you supposed to be one of the high-tier boards?

[Anonymous No.10132113]

>>10132095
It's just a broad term to refer to a group of largely similar viewpoints.

[Anonymous No.10132116]

>>10132113
>largely similar
It groups literal progressives with neo nazis

[Anonymous No.10132122]

>>10132116
>literal progressives
whomst?

[Anonymous No.10132136]

>>10132122
anthony fantano, for one

there is definitely an "alt-right" in the sense that there is a group of white nationalists that share a sort of culture and terminological similarity of sorts... but the term is also used with very little care for accuracy and means totally different things to different people, and thus, is a bit of a useless word. it is less a group than it is verb beholden to whoever uses it.

[Anonymous No.10132152]

>>10132116
>>10132136
The fact that liberals take pepe for a hate symbol etc and accidentally throw too many people into the term doesn't mean it's used that broadly 100% of the time. Self-proclaimed alt right people would likely not consider fantano one of them.

[Anonymous No.10132162]

>>10132136
Fantano was just retarded enough to pander to poltardian audience publicly. Nothing surprising that your average journalist posted a juicy headline instead of trying to unravel which level of irony and shared ideals he's on.

You're right that it's a vague term, but it has a core meaning and isn't entirely useless.

[Anonymous No.10132177]

>>10132152
i would say it is used far too broadly the majority of the time, actually. what the alt-right "is" is white nationalism, and i would say (keeping in mind that this can obviously vary, and they are my own anecdotal experiences) that a good 60-70% of the time people deployed the term, that i have seen, it was inaccurate. even the term "alt-right" is incredibly vague.

[Anonymous No.10132198]

>>10132136
isn't fantano a right wing libertarian?

[Anonymous No.10132200]

>>10132162
>Fantano was just retarded enough to pander to poltardian audience publicly
i have been on /pol/ (not a /pol/tard, i was just interested at one point to see what exactly the board constituted) and i really have no idea why anybody would think this. a guy like sam hyde "panders" to /pol/, not anthony fantano. have you ever actually seen what the people on /pol/ are like, or seen a fantano video? there is really no connection to be made, lol.

>Nothing surprising that your average journalist posted a juicy headline instead of trying to unravel which level of irony and shared ideals he's on.
i would say unashamedly lying through your teeth about somebody and completely misrepresenting pretty much everything about them to further an under-handed, bizarre attack is surprising, although perhaps i am naive and have too high an opinion on the conduct journalists should adhere to.

anyway, this is getting off-topic, sorry about that.

[Anonymous No.10132206]

>>10132136
>>10132152
In the strictest definition, I think you could say the Alt-Right exists as Richard Spencer and his group. He uses the term to describe himself. Also, Breitbart claimed the mantle being journalism for the Alt-right, but have since distanced themselves from the term.

People can identify themselves, but identity is a social matter. Just like the /pol/ likes to toss around the term 'Cultural Marxism' or 'Neo-Marxism' to ID parts of the Left that they dislike, so to the Left is going to use the term Alt-Right to describe the portions of the Right that it dislikes.

In a formal sense of definitions, it should be asked: What is right-wing about the Alt-Right? This is the trickiest part, it's partly reactive. They see themselves as right-wing because they are not Leftists. But there are a number of traits in the alt-right, namely populist appeal to the working class, industry protectionism (coal, manufacturing), anti-globalization, anti-free trade, wealth redistribution, that I would normally consider socialist, or 3rd position.

Honestly, I think the alt-right has much more in common with Mussolinni's 3rd position Fascism than either 'Classical Liberalism', Neoconservatism, or Religious Conservatism. And I don't mean this as an insult either.

[Anonymous No.10132211]

>>10132198
he is a sanders voting liberal.

[Anonymous No.10132219]

>>10132206
i am beginning to think that there is a growing trend in society concerning the political/social differences between people that essentially cannot be boiled down to the axiom of left wing and right wing politics any longer. i do not know what axiom could be employed, but it seems more and more to me that the differences between people have taken on a different, deeper psychological quality.

[Anonymous No.10132242]

>>10132200
He quite literally made meme videos with frogs and political commentary right during the time of election craze, not to mention he was already hugely popular on /mu/ and 4chan overall which is primarily associated with poltardianism by common folk nowadays. Journalists are hardly most ethical of people, but I wouldn't call it completely unreasonable sensationalism.

[Anonymous No.10132254]

>>10132211
I thought you just said he was a progressive? doesn't he do a lot of sjw-hate and anti-feminist shit? I'm pretty sure I saw him tweet something about how great capitalism is as well

[Anonymous No.10132281]

>>10132152
The most pervasive manifestation of the alt-right is as a liberal boogeyman

[Anonymous No.10132305]

>>10132281
>people that label everything left of their own ideology as "libtardian pomo communism" get buttblasted when their very special and unique form of white supremacism is lumped together with other forms of white supremacism

[Anonymous No.10132322]

>>10132305
>people that label everything to the right of Hillary as "neo-Nazi hatespeech" get buttblasted when their bullshit strategy is exposed
8 years, buddy

[Anonymous No.10132333]

>>10132095
>tfw when he doesn't realize /lit/ is full of undergrads studying continental philosophy while posting stack threads of dogshit they won't read whilst playing with their micropeens

[Anonymous No.10132347]

>>10132242
>He quite literally made meme videos with frogs
lol, and? i know IRL literal "normies" who post pepe the frog memes on twitter, it means literally nothing.

>not to mention he was already hugely popular on /mu/ and 4chan overall which is primarily associated with poltardianism by common folk nowadays
anthony fantano is certainly not popular on "4chan overall" and he is popular on /mu/ just as piero scaruffi, death grips and the pitchfork website are popular on /mu/... it is a music board. these things you are referring to have no connection whatsoever to white nationalism/alt-rightery. /mu/ itself is probably the least "/pol/" board that i have seen on this entire website too.

>Journalists are hardly most ethical of people, but I wouldn't call it completely unreasonable sensationalism.
then you must be either unaware of what /pol/ is actually like, what fantano is actually like, or have a pretty crazy bias. calling a sanders voting, trump hating, hipster liberal who advocates for left wing policies when actually talking about politics (which is far more relevant than him making a shitpost video about pepe the frog, lol) a white nationalist is pretty nuts. i mean take a step back and consider your viewpoint here. i could certainly see why some of his shit would seem weird to some but lumping him in with the alt-right is just utter nonsense.

>I thought you just said he was a progressive? doesn't he do a lot of sjw-hate and anti-feminist shit? I'm pretty sure I saw him tweet something about how great capitalism is as well
the type of people fantano made fun of would be made fun of by pretty much most people in society though. like there are definitely some pretty rabid feminists and "social justice warriors" (this term is cringy as fuck but i have no idea what other word i could use to describe this type of person in this context) out there in real life but the vast majority of people would make fun of that shit. and idk what capitalism has to do with it. sure, there are communists and anarchists in the "progressive" movement but the majority of them are liberals. corbyn voters, sanders voters, that type of person. not revolutionary marxists or virulent anti-capitalists or something...

[Anonymous No.10132355]

>>10132333
>full of undergrads studying continental philosophy
That would be great actually. Unfortunately is mostly 15 year old embryos discussing babby existentialist novels, pretending to read high-school classics, creating politics threads and posting edgy memetexts starting with ""tfw when"".

[Anonymous No.10132357]

>>10131541

That's politics in general. I would say that description matches me when I got into politics (I'm of the lefty sort).

[Anonymous No.10132363]

>>10131960
You say that like philosophy wasn't always like that.

Scrophenhauer and Stirner read like shitposts.

[Anonymous No.10132388]

>>10132051
Never implied it was. Jesus, dude, can't you read?

[Anonymous No.10132389]

>>10131541
The 'alt right' is just another manifestation of America's total psychic collapse. Many, perhaps even the majority of the 300+ million people in this country have no reason to exist at all. no wonder the kids are getting restless. Americans are 'free' to enjoy sterile atomising purgatory 'free' to lose their identities under terabytes of Alfa/Beta tested click bait ordnance bombardment. Giving in to the death drive seems like an increasingly attractive prospect.

[Anonymous No.10132395]

>>10132388
>backpedaling on your own illogical autism

[Anonymous No.10132397]

>>10132355
>tfw this is actually the state of /lit/

[Anonymous No.10132416]

>>10132355
>tfw when you're right

[Anonymous No.10132417]

>>10132355
I think you underestimate the 20-something-uneducated-amerilard menace, sir

[Anonymous No.10132433]

>>10132395
I never said what you claim, no matter how palpable your own stupidity gets. You're just making a fool of yourself, and for something incidental to the main point of my post.

[Anonymous No.10132439]

>>10132433
>main point of my post
Which is when condensed in one sentence?

[Anonymous No.10132450]

>>10132439
I'm sorry, sir, but I lack the extra chromosome required to understand the meaning of your post.

[Anonymous No.10132454]

>>10132450
What is the main point of your original post, illiterate negroid?

[Anonymous No.10132534]

>>10132454
My point is it's not new or unnatural that Americans should assert a strong connection with culturally proximate nations.

[Anonymous No.10132565]

>>10131676
Nobody gonna point out that this dipshit doesn't know how to use former/latter?

[Anonymous No.10132659]

>>10132534
There's a tremendous difference between "asserting a connection" and "identifying yourself as a member of culture". No Frenchman would identify himself as Italian, no German as a Dane and no Lithuanian as a Polack even though these cultures are infinitely more proximate, connected and interlocked with each other culturally than with US. Yet the alt-right somehow feel justified to bring their all-american heritage fetish to the extreme and engage in unironical LARPing of cultures they've never even passingly experienced first-hand let alone know and understand in any depth and measure. But of course speaking Mexican is two thirds of being an actual Spaniard and drinking beer in leather trousers and funny hats is basically being German. We're all just democratic freedom-loving Christians in the end, amirite?

[Anonymous No.10132690]

>The story goes like this: Earth is captured by a technocapital singularity as renaissance rationalitization and oceanic navigation lock into commoditization take-off. Logistically accelerating techno-economic interactivity crumbles social order in auto-sophisticating machine runaway. As markets learn to manufacture intelligence, politics modernizes, upgrades paranoia, and tries to get a grip.

>The body count climbs through a series of globewars. Emergent Planetary Commercium trashes the Holy Roman Empire, the Napoleonic Continental System, the Second and Third Reich, and the Soviet International, cranking-up world disorder through compressing phases. Deregulation and the state arms-race each other into cyberspace.

>By the time soft-engineering slithers out of its box into yours, human security is lurching into crisis. Cloning, lateral genodata transfer, transversal replication, and cyberotics, flood in amongst a relapse onto bacterial sex.

>Neo-China arrives from the future.

>Hypersynthetic drugs click into digital voodoo.

>Retro-disease.

>Nanospasm.

[Anonymous No.10132702]

>>10131541
what is it like to be stupid and out of touch?

[Anonymous No.10132716]

Nick Land is not Left or Right, Nick Land is a drug fueled raving demon sent from neo china to prevent the AI gods from killing us.

[Anonymous No.10132755]

>>10132659
>identifying yourself as a member of culture
Who, besides a few larpers, is doing so?
>infinitely more proximate
Jesus, that's poor prose.
Sounds like you're just a very stupid person who's attention naturally draws itself to other very stupid persons. If what you have to say is so inconsequential, don't bother turning it into a poorly written paragraph, a few clumsy sentences will do.

[Anonymous No.10132764]

>>10132755
>YER DUMB AN STOOPID
Impressive.

[Anonymous No.10132776]

>>10132764
>focus on something trivial and uncommon as if it's a widespread problem
>ur just insulting me ;(
nice selfie btw

[Anonymous No.10132777]

>>10132755
>If what you have to say is so inconsequential, don't bother
>40 words to say "you dumb"

[Anonymous No.10132792]

>>10132776
>express opinion on topic
>get told
>DIS TOBIG IRRELEVANT YOU STUBID :-DDD
It must be tough being 14 and smarter than everyone already.

[Anonymous No.10132803]

>>10132792
Your implications are patently wrong, I'm sorry if that hurts your feelings. You can keep slamming your little fists on the table if it pleases you, but your point has been narrowed down to trivial trash. If it hadn't been you would be defending it and not attacking me.

[Anonymous No.10132851]

>>10132803
>high horse tone while failing even at basic logic and demagoguery
I would be defending it if you actually offered any critique instead of spewing out personal attacks while frantically flipping through thesaurus in desperate attempts to conceal your pointlessness.

[Anonymous No.10132888]

>>10132389
I'm not even 'white' and yet I fell compelled to shitpost for Trump throughout 2016. There's something about late capitalism that just fills people with this overwhelming urge to self immolate. I remember things being better, somewhere before the 2010s. The internet made life into a bureaucratic depersonalizing hell. It wouldn't have affected me that much if I wasn't into 4chan edgelord culture, that might have led to a vicious split personality.

[Anonymous No.10132891]

>>10131541

This is too reductionist to explain the entire neoreactionary phenomenon but a pervasive milieu of nihilism has certainly played a role in their rise, a nihilism which has been an issue in post-Hitler Western societies, often engendered by neoliberalism and democracy

There is something to say about the atomization of whites, which is something so atypical of history and human behavior that it confounds me. But all these things are interconnected; I just think the alt-rights success is too multifaceted to be reduced to a mere nostalgic LARP session. I want to discuss further but mobile typing is aids.

[Anonymous No.10132909]

>>10132322
imagine thinking that leftists like the clintons, hoo boy

[Anonymous No.10132912]

>>10131909
>typical alt-righter who takes it to be "inauthentic" to not say nigger to every last person you meet
wow, alt-right racists btfo. how will they ever be employed again?

[Anonymous No.10132949]

>>10132851
>I would be defending it if you actually offered any critique instead of spewing out personal attacks while frantically flipping through thesaurus in desperate attempts to conceal your pointlessness.
I already have, you tard. It applies to a very small number of people.

[Anonymous No.10132990]

>>10132909
you did vote for her though, didn't you, delusional brocialist?

[Anonymous No.10133004]

>>10132949
>applies to a very small number of people
It's prevalent among alt-right who are in scope of this discussion.

[Anonymous No.10133124]

>>10132206
You’re the closest. Basically a bunch of people began to recognize that the libertarians only wanted a small government for degenerate reasons, the free market is producing highly addictive garbage that leads to self destructive behavior, schools and media have turned into communist propaganda mills, and the whole thing is propped up by a corrupt class of self serving government stooges and their monied interests.

They want to rebel against the free market, capitalism, Republican democracy, communism, and liberalism. Pretty specific group there. Should not be shocking that they’re turning fascist if you look at their grievances.

[Anonymous No.10133229]

>>10132565
it was an obvious typo you dimwit

[Anonymous No.10133244]

>>10133004
It really isn't. How many alt right figureheads claim to be German or French?

[Anonymous No.10134240]

>>10132888
>I'm not even 'white'
huh?

[Anonymous No.10134243]

I basically view alt right as extreme identity politics liberals with a minus sign in front. Unfortunately they don't realize that stupid and violent game is a horrifically bad idea

[Anonymous No.10134245]

>>10132909
that post did not say that.

[Anonymous No.10134381]

>>10134243
>I basically view alt right as extreme identity politics liberals with a minus sign in front. Unfortunately they don't realize that stupid and violent game is a horrifically bad idea

Imagine misunderstanding the Alt Right this badly.

[Anonymous No.10134519]

>>10132050
>fascism is a tradition-
Stopped reading right there.
>>10132051
"Western" culture is more or less derived from English civil war culture, or rather more precisely the impulse which ended up dominant at the conclusion of the modern project.

[Anonymous No.10134524]

>>10131780
>>10131818
>http://genderfluidsupport.tumblr.com/gender
>>10132069

I don't honestly understand why people become really bothered by the idea of more than one gender.
It doesn't strike me as a topic that really matters. The idea is logically possible so i'm pretty impartial to it.
All of us have psychosis some are more annoying than others.

I also don't really get how it makes sense that people are doing it because "it is trendy", that really seems like psuedo science, and ad hoc explanation.
>>10131818

Also I had a friend who took that route considering both his parents are argentinian, and honestly you're making a really big mistake. Your protest is worthless, no matter what people on the internet say whiteness has always been the dominating force in american society and it has controlled . The need for whiteness as you probably imagine it, (phallologocentrism), ended when Ulysses was written. White people will pretend it's some multi cultural agenda that undermines their attempt at making literature, but honestly, it's that it has really been done before. And even white people want something different.

If you continue down that road you'll wake up in 30 years and wonder why you never created art. It's better to take advantages when they are given to you and try to be honest with yourself, at least that way your art has a chance of being beautiful.

[Anonymous No.10134535]

>>10134524
>Also I had a friend who took that route considering both his parents are argentinian, and honestly you're making a really big mistake. Your protest is worthless, no matter what people on the internet say whiteness has always been the dominating force in american society and it has controlled . The need for whiteness as you probably imagine it, (phallologocentrism), ended when Ulysses was written. White people will pretend it's some multi cultural agenda that undermines their attempt at making literature, but honestly, it's that it has really been done before. And even white people want something different.

>it has controlled...
* Sorry didn't finish my thought, it has controlled both politics and more nefariously art itself. This doesn't have to be evil, it just means that we've heard it all before. (You can look at the repetive nature of the right's racism, or people like camille and peterson still bitching about post modernism.)

[Anonymous No.10135743]

>>10131541
Hello Nick Land go to bed.

[Anonymous No.10136269]

>>10134524
>Muh pseudo science u should listen to real scientist like Bill Nye instead! U should obey the properly accredited gender ideologues and identity bureaucrats who always know what's best for you!

What if I refuse? We no longer have real literature. The drivel being churned out of universities is nothing but supplementary material to the society of control and its identity production mechanisms. 'White people' are not NPR listeners, most people of any race are sick to their fucking stomachs of managerial secular theocracy atomised helscape. Read Paul Gottfried dude.

[Anonymous No.10136304]

>>10134535
The need to root out this evil 'whiteness' that is all pervading yet immaterial and unconscious is just an alibi for managerial totalitarianism. The psychiatric state now has one more excuse to go after you. And besides that's blatantly false, idpolit (nice quasi soviet acronym) is formulaic as fuck, better understood as an instrument of spectacular governance rather than as literature. Are you going to tell me Rupi Kaur's basic ass tumblr posts are 'actually not that bad' as well? What about all those novels in which the latinx author drops some generic Spanish terms to give the NPR soyblobs a taste of reified 'alterity'. Muh 'abuela' kills me every fucking time. Don't they know any other Spanish word? its the insufferable tweeness and unsubtlety of it all that gets me.

[Anonymous No.10136772]

>>10131614

Here (you) go! :)

[Anonymous No.10137076]

Bump

[Anonymous No.10137087]

>>10131541
It's actually just fascism.

[Anonymous No.10137552]

>>10137087
No it isn't, the alt-right wants as much sjw poc rights literature out there as possible.

It's unapologetic white identarnism.

The term exists because richard spencer showed up at a bush convention and expected to see the medias stereotype of a republican, instead he got a zionist puppet.

[Anonymous No.10137577]

The alt-right are in favour of the standard fuck party the west has become. Their only concern is that white people will become a minority, which is a justified concern. But the alt-right is not some great new thing that will sweep away the old order and replace it with anything. They love all this shit like casual sex and faggotry and drug taking. The alt-right is full of homos. They just want immigration reduced or stopped depending on which alt-righter you ask.

All the shit about "traditionalism" is just LARPing. They're all fucking queers and trannies and sluts and I do not know of a single alt-righter who actually lives a lifestyle that is at all traditional with a husband and wife, who have multiple children which they homeschool, and who try to grow their own fruits and vegetables and shit and be as self sufficient as possible. They just like posting pics of girls in wheat fields because it looks nice, but they have not actually internalised those values at all, it is just a political opinion they hold.

They aren't scary evil Nazis and fascists. Just leftists + "racism". Sometimes actual racism, but more often just "We are white and want our country to be white because we are native" which I do not see as racism.

So if you are a leftist just relax, dummy. They're a bunch of literal faggots and LARPers who post on twitter with anime avatars and think sucking cock is OK as long as it is a "feminine penis" meanwhile they are posting "traditionalist" shit.

[Anonymous No.10137583]

>>10137577
>pure unadulterated underage poltardianism
Beautiful, like the Northern Light.

[Anonymous No.10137592]

>>10137583
That's funny I haven't been on /pol/ in fucking forever because it's shit.

Nice non-argument though faggot. Are you a gay alt-righter, or some leftist who wishes desperately to keep up the alt-right as some kind of boogey man so you have something to whine about?

[Anonymous No.10137593]

>>10137577

hey this is actually pretty good. thank you anon, saved.

[Anonymous No.10137604]

>>10137592
>haven't been on /pol/ in fucking forever
>still communicates like an angry autistic teenager
Sad.

[Anonymous No.10137618]

>>10137604
You haven't even told me what part you disagree with. You are doing exactly what you accuse me of. Go away child.

[Anonymous No.10137620]

the intersectional left did all the work creating the "white" box, once you have the box, it's very easy to swap the label "bad" to "good"

not sure where they expected demonizing the majority in a country would lead, almost makes me think the intersectional left were crypto-nazis from the beginning

[Anonymous No.10137625]

>>10137577
This is accurate and I think that's pretty unfortunate, there's so much more depth to traditional conservatism than these people know. I have a lot of friends in the college republicans in my State, a couple have had to leave because their clubs are overrun with this garbage. I went to a couple meetings and it really is bad. People talking about memes and furries instead of, y'know, low taxes and such.

YAF might make a bit of a comeback as a result though, looking forward to that myself if true. Really wish these faggots would get out of my party and go back to being complete shut ins.

mfw

[Anonymous No.10137666]

>>10137625
>>instead of, y'know, low taxes and such.
>implying lower taxes aren't a meme

[Anonymous No.10137677]

>>10137577

If the alt-right stopped at racist immigration policies, I would be able to sleep at night.

You are clearly not actually familiar with them.

Head on over to any place they congregate and say "I'm jewish and I didn't personally do anything wrong, what will happen to me?"

[Anonymous No.10137689]

>>10137666
>bolicy is same as benis :DDDD

Why

[Anonymous No.10137691]

>>10137087
I don't understand how people can't see the "alt right" for what it is.

It is above all else a reaction to the so-called "SJW" phenomenon - the rise of left wing authoritarian and censorial impulses that grew in prominence and influence after the GFC and throughout the Obama Administration. As always, this censorship was enacted under the guise of public morality, and its every advance on free thought was justified by the protection of the vulnerable. This is fundamental to understanding the alt-right, because if you deny it or minimize it, then you are going to be blindsided by the seemingly random ferocity of the reaction.

Because left wing collectivism has shifted from reducing the history of the world to a sordid economic conflict composed entirely of the story of class warfare... to a smorgasbord of biology-backed identity-based mysticisms with roughly the same story, we are witnessing a ceaseless cultural revolution grasping for control over petty matters, bowdlerizing and revising the humanities, and railing hysterically against the historical oppressions (real, imagined, exaggerated, or complex) of a bigoted past.
>BIOLOGY-BACKED because race, sex, sexuality, etc. are the divisions, and unlike economic or religious divisions these populations are basically closed systems - you can't easily change race or sex or sexuality
>mysticisms because the core tenet of all of the belief systems is that there is hidden truth in the nebulous lived experience of belonging to such an identity, and this is constantly used to deny (from a position of moral outrage) other ways of discovering truth

People constantly talk about how the alt-right is made up of nazis, white supremacists, and so on. This strikes of cherrypicking though - I mean, this branding came strongest into public discourse when Hillary Clinton said it during the election campaign. Like many political parties and movements, the "alt-right" is probably made up of various different interests who share goals or ideals.

[Anonymous No.10137692]

>>10137677
I am highly familiar with them and they're just gayboys.

>"I'm jewish and I didn't personally do anything wrong, what will happen to me?"
Depends who you ask. Some are actually racist but I find most are not. Which is another thing, they're all over the place not a single entity with a coherent ideology. But in my experience the vast majority are just gays on twitter who watch anime and like when men take pictures of their legs in thigh high striped socks, and a lot of that stuff about Jews is just pepe the frog memes.

Where have you been that they congregate and said that and gotten told that you will be gassed?

[Anonymous No.10137723]

>>10137692

Not gassed, unironically -- that is rare (though present).

"Encouraged" to leave, usually by unspecified but ultimately force-backed means.

I haven't been anywhere where that *hasn't* been the widely-agreed-upon thing. /pol/, any of the many de-facto alt-right subreddits, the chat of random youtube livesteams.

Maybe the twitter variety is different. Or better at hiding their ambitions.

But mass expulsion of existing citizens is absolutely the primary goal of most of the major leaders (Spencer, etc), and most of their active supporters.

[Anonymous No.10137732]

>>10137618
I don't disagree with you. It's the style.

[Anonymous No.10137736]

>>10137723
>various basket weaving outlets
Talk to them in real life. They're just as limpwristed as the average leftist, but obsessed with in-jokes like the Jew stuff. Many are angry about cultural issues but do not know how to express this anger except via being edgy enough to become a counterculture.

[Anonymous No.10137759]

>>10137723
I don't think they have any real will to do that though. As with most things it just seems to be a political opinion, but not something deeply held. They all jump at the chance to be friends with a "based black man" or any other minority that they percieve as being on their side to any extent. Then there is Milo, who is a gay Jew who exclusively bottoms for black men and just married one.

Their behaviour and who they are friends with and follow is more important than when they say "gas the kikes race war now", share pepe memes, or say what they want to do in a hypothetical future that will almost certainly not happen.

Also, IIRC Spencer is involved in some kind of pyramid scheme with some conference thing he does and is just in it for the money. I have also seen it said often that he is a CIA plant. I haven't looked into these things but if they interest you, you can look for details.

The alt-right is located almost entirely online with their only irl activities being speeches at conferences to other alt-righters, and they invite such people as Millenial Woes (A fat bisexual manlet NEET haggis-nigger) to speak. This is only hobbyism. They have no political party.

[Anonymous No.10137761]

>>10137736

The leaders all say this in real life too. The people who will be in charge if they take power.

It does not end at racist immigration policies (which I could support and be in favor of). Moving beyond just immigration was the *beginning* of the divergence of the Alt-Right from mere conservatism.

I seriously think you are misidentifying who the Alt-Right is. You know I'm not talking about mere Trumpists and Milo and shit, right?

[Anonymous No.10137766]

>>10131818
t.doesnt know what or how social capital works.

[Anonymous No.10137774]

>>10137723
Forgot this bit, I think it's misguided to conflate Spencer et al. with what is usually referred to as the "alt-right." I'm not sure what exactly you believe fits that definition, but if you're lumping in /pol/, subreddits, and youtube comment sections then that's probably a bit too wide a net to be casting in the context of Spencer's leadership.

People like Spencer talk a big game at "identitarian" conventions, or whatever they're called, and show up in the news because extreme positions are interesting. Air time is not indicative of a real movement that can change things. Frankly, the alt-right under any definition is still irrelevant other than to people who can profit off of it in some way (news networks, faggot Youtubers like Sargon, so on).

They will simply never accomplish their political goals, whatever those are. That aside, I think it's quite a stretch to link an "alt-right" old dude sharing some boomer meme about political correctness with an "alt-right" identitarian like Spencer.

A serious distinction should be made between groups like Patriot Prayer and the people who organized the inaptly named Unite the Right march. The executive of the county I live in recently called a Patriot Prayer rally a "white supremacist, KKK" gathering, when it was really a very racially diverse group of people publicly talking about their love of their country and their faith in a positive, non-threatening way. Isn't that some unfortunate rhetoric my man? Shouldn't we try to avoid that, eh?

[Anonymous No.10137775]

>>10137759

If you think Milo is Alt-Right or that the "based black guy" shit is something the Alt-Right actually engages in (and doesn't have active contempt for the mere MAGA-chuds who still do it), you are definitely not talking about the Alt-Right. You are still stuck in the fog that existed a year ago, where Trumpists thought that they were Alt-Right.

The Alt-Right is located almost entirely online because that is where *anything* starts in the internet era. This is like saying the actual nazis were located almost entirely in beerhalls, so it's just hobbyism and not real.

Except there's already several tens of thousands of them, full-on, and their primary activity is recruiting more people to seeing the world their way (and the way in which their not-just-stopping-at-immigration-reform goals are the only and obvious solution), which they're succeeding wildly at.

[Anonymous No.10137793]

>>10137759
Yeah that.
>>10137761
Ah, that helps. If that's what we're going to call the alt-right then we still need to realize that what we're talking about is the niche of a niche in America. Spencer is really an ant.

[Anonymous No.10137800]

>>10132152
>Self-proclaimed alt right people would likely not consider fantano one of them.
The only self-proclaimed alt right people are retards from /r/leDonald

[Anonymous No.10137805]

>>10137774

Absolutely a serious distinction should be made between the (probably) ultimately benign Patriot Prayer, and the Unite the Right people -- and failing to make that distinction is unspeakably harmful and driving most of their growth to begin with.

Everything I am talking about, is about the Unite The Right side of things. When I say Alt-Right, I mean forcible-mass-deportation, re-establishing America as a white ethnostate people. /pol/, TRS, IronMarch, etc. Richard Spencer, Mike Enoch, Greg Johnson, etc.

[Anonymous No.10137808]

>>10137775
I think the jury is still out on any wild success those people might be having. There's always been a degree of larp to these people, remember Pioneer Little Europe from years ago? Bunch of actual snaggletoothed inbreds moving to Montana or wherever to start a self-sufficient colony. Compounds like that pop up, sometimes they come and go, I wouldn't say they're a threat.

[Anonymous No.10137811]

>>10137805
Alright that was my misunderstanding then pal, I should have sought more clarification there.

[Anonymous No.10137812]

>>10131541
>Alt Right
meaningless

[Anonymous No.10137814]

>>10137805
>When I say Alt-Right, I mean forcible-mass-deportation, re-establishing America as a white ethnostate people
Nobody defines the alt right as that.

[Anonymous No.10137816]

>>10131541
Nah its not that smart, its just edgy counterculture for people with a boner for the purist aesthetic.

[Anonymous No.10137833]

>>10137814

Except every one of their leaders and adherents. The American White Ethnostate is the foundation of *everything* that distinguishes the Alt-Right from what was on the table before they broke out.

[Anonymous No.10137852]

>>10137833
A moment in the limelight is being provided to them because racial tensions in America are very high, therefore people like Spencer get views/clicks/ratings. Around where I'm from we've had Northwest Territorial Imperative-minded folks settling over here since the 80's. Nowadays you see that rebranded as "True Cascadia" by the second generation millenial hipster offspring of the original Northwest Frontists. It's the same old hat I think, sure they're enjoying a moment but even if that results in vastly increased membership there's still got to be a cap on that, that sort of movement does not have much untapped manpower to draw on despite the "redpilling" meme.

[Anonymous No.10137869]

>>10137761

CIA please stop posting on 4chan and go back to getting sucked off by spencer

[Anonymous No.10137892]

>>10131676
>is that the former actually adopted cultural ideas, beliefs, traditions, practices, whilst the former does not,
It's actually more severe than that: it's not that they have not adopted their culture, it's that they know nothing about it in the first place. They'll see a nice statue and say "beautiful.... this was built by my ancestors....." while understanding nothing about it. Their appreciation of Beethoven will be "wow!!! So intense!!! Ode to joy!!". Sure they will be too irony-riddled to use this language and punctuation, but I can assure you their judgement will boil down to this.
So here's my 2c: ignore every ignorant reactionary and traditionalist you'll ever meet, these people are the cannon fodder of any reactionary movement, the apes you send to the street so that the actual smart and capable traditionalists do not have to risk their life unnecessarily. Listen to those ones who have actually done their homeworks, if traditionalism will ever amount to anything these will be the guys that will actually have somethign to say: everyone else will instead waste their time LARPing as ancient men they know nothing about.

[Anonymous No.10137894]

>>10137577

You don't intend to, but you actually make the alt-right sound pretty reasonable. As you said, they AREN'T scary evil Nazis or fascists, they are basically just normal people who don't want to become a minority in their own country. This kind of position is taking for granted in pretty much all Western nations, so why is it so bad when people in the US and Europe have these same positions?

Wanting to reduce immigration is a blatantly reasonable position

[Anonymous No.10137903]

remember a year and a half ago, when "alt-right" meant merely a conservative who's main concern with immigration as opposed to religion?

now most people just see it as synonymous with nazi. it's amazing how the meaning of words can change so drastically.

[Anonymous No.10137938]

>>10137894
>>10137903

It's NOT just about reducing immigration. If that was indeed all that the Alt-Right was, then, yes, all this would be absurd hysteria.

Here, check out this leddit thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/DebateAltRight/comments/5rqxmu/what_happens_to_minorities_who_refuse_to_leave_an/

I promise you, to spare you listening to 100 hours of nazi podcasts and trolling through thousands of forum threads, that is pretty well representative.

Forcible mass deportation (or worse) of tens of millions of completely innocent people, for the irredeemable crime of their ethnic heritage.

[Anonymous No.10137942]

>>10131624
>implying alt-right folk actually listen to and understand Wagner and not just fuck about with dumb metal music instead

[Anonymous No.10138507]

>>10137775
i think you are seriously overestimating the influence this type of thinking has accrued.

[Anonymous No.10138540]

>>10137938
yes. that might be fucked up, but i wonder how many people in america actually believe this? i mean, i don't live in america, but didn't trump ending the DACA program make the media and public go fucking nuts? how do you think ethnic cleansing is going to become a serviceable idea to anybody outside of the couple of hundred people who already believe in it? it just seems as if it is a completely toothless movement and getting worried about is strange to me. am i wrong?

[Anonymous No.10138568]

>>10137577
>They just like posting pics of girls in wheat fields because it looks nice, but they have not actually internalised those values at all, it is just a political opinion they hold.
Thanks for the chuckle

[Anonymous No.10139335]

>>10138540

The media has thoroughly proven that what it reacts to and how it reacts are not representative of how America as a whole is feeling.

"A couple hundred people who already believe in it" was several years ago. Then it was a couple thousand. Now, it's hard to tell, but by its near ubiquity all over the fucking place, it's definitely tens and not impossibly hundreds of thousands.

There is no reason to believe it's lessening or even slowing down. What has changed from where these believers so far have come from? Things will only get worse and worse.

[Anonymous No.10139528]

>>10134240
the quotations probably mean he's a kike or italian

[Anonymous No.10139530]

>>10132891
I'd love to hear more when you're back on your computer

[Anonymous No.10140645]

>>10137942
They listen to Wagner because Hitler liked him and because 'wow such strong powerful music' but that's about as far as it goes for them. Which is what I'm critiquing, in essence.