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Film Theory Anonymous Mon Oct 2 21:27:43 2017 No.10100029 [Reply] [Original]

Best books on film theory?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 21:30:38 2017 No.10100037 >>10100029 >pic absolutely unrelated

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 21:31:32 2017 No.10100040 >>10100029 Film theory is mostly watered down phenomenology, just skip it for the latter.

Anonymous Mon Oct 2 21:39:38 2017 No.10100057

>>10100029

Metz wrote a good book on Film Language, Kael’s reviews are brilliant, Robin Wood did good work analyzing Hitchcock (and others), Truffaut’s interview with Hitch is essential.

I think Zizek has some humorous points but I don’t take him seriously (he doesn’t even watch many of the movies he mentions). Sitney and Gary Indiana have written some good essays on film.

Etc, etc.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 21:44:20 2017 No.10100062 Paul Virilio - War and Cinema

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 03:50:36 2017 No.10101005 >>10100029 Trufant wrote one I believe.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 08:37:53 2017 No.10101719 >>10101005 Which one?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 08:47:53 2017 No.10101747 Susan Sontag's Theatre and Cinema, and the whole Styles of Radical Will which contain that one and more essays. Most of those refer more or less directly to cinema.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 09:41:51 2017 No.10101902 Andre Bazin

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 16:10:51 2017 No.10103134 >>10101902 Which stuff?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 16:13:03 2017 No.10103139 >>10101747 >Susan Sontag stopped reading there

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 16:13:12 2017 No.10103140 File: 19 KB, 400x400, 1506079732049.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10101747

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 16:16:46 2017 No.10103149 >>10103139 why?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 16:20:55 2017 No.10103166 >>10100037 why, lol

« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!Srz2lnO/STC Tue Oct 3 16:26:32 2017 No.10103179
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>>10101719
He wrote two?

>>10103149
Some psycho-sexual trauma, liklely.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 18:49:46 2017 No.10103677 START WITH EISENSTEIN

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 18:52:26 2017 No.10103693 >>10101902 bazin was wrong, and a faggot Audiovision by Michel Chion. Only plebs will pretend image is enough to analyze films

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 19:00:47 2017 No.10103723 >>10103693 How was he wrong?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 19:02:43 2017 No.10103735 >>10100040 What would you recommend in that genre for a newbie?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 19:04:21 2017 No.10103740 >>10103723 >let's make an art where every. single. element. is. purely. artificial. >let's try to emulate reality ^^^___^^^ RawRrr xD

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 19:08:12 2017 No.10103751 >>10103740 What's so wrong about it?

Anonymous Tue Oct 3 19:14:28 2017 No.10103774

>>10103751
It's restricting your ability to express/convey/whatever something because you arbitrarily decide to restrict the numbers of tools at your disposition in order to try and reach a nonsensical goal that, by the very nature of the medium you're using, cannot be attained.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 19:22:02 2017 No.10103798 File: 55 KB, 600x337, the-avengers-team-image.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >Film """"Theory""""""" Wew lad. Humanities fags are really stretching to find something to talk about these days, aren't they? What's next, video game theory?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 19:36:57 2017 No.10103846 >>10103798 Tbqh there is a certain theory to determine how to make a fun game

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 19:42:58 2017 No.10103869 >>10103798 >Aristotle's Poetics comes out >"""""""dramatic theory""""""""""" >wew lad. Humanities fags are really stretching to find something to talk about these days, aren't they? What's next, painting theory?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 23:33:36 2017 No.10104590 >>10103139 >>10103140 Whats wrong with her? I noticed she's never mentioned round here. I haven't read any further than a couple of essays from Styles of radical will so I can't say anything. Is she a hack?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 08:26:17 2017 No.10105672 bump

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 08:45:18 2017 No.10105735 >>10104590 I would also like to know this.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 09:13:15 2017 No.10105863 >>10100040 Second this. Read something like Jameson's Geopolitical Aesthetic that theorises using film rather than trying to explicitly theorise film per se.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 09:14:50 2017 No.10105867 >>10103693 Although no-one seriously talks about "realism" in the sense Bazin does anymore, he's a very good place to start.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 09:37:14 2017 No.10105932 >>10100057 Zizek literally fast forwards the slow parts of films.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 09:38:16 2017 No.10105934 >>10101902 Cinema of Cruelty

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 09:59:08 2017 No.10105998 I've got Andre Bazin, Noel Carroll, and Pauline Kael on my backlog. Can't vouch for any of 'em yet but each has caught my interest.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 12:12:11 2017 No.10106331 >>10103740 >every. single. element. is. purely. artificial. Define your terms.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 13:39:58 2017 No.10106584 >>10105932 How do you know?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 13:40:28 2017 No.10106586 >>10106584 He has said so.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 13:41:59 2017 No.10106596 >>10105998 What backlog? What for?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 13:43:01 2017 No.10106598 >>10106586 Where? Why would he do that? bt

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 13:44:07 2017 No.10106602 >>10106586 btw, how did you respond so quickly?!

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 13:46:31 2017 No.10106609 >>10106598 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqpxT_iJ8Mc&feature=youtu.be&t=180 >>10106602 not the same anon

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 14:03:37 2017 No.10106674 >>10106596 I just mean I've made a mental note to read them.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 17:39:46 2017 No.10107382 last bump

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 22:22:07 2017 No.10108375 >>10100029 My diary desu.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 23:23:29 2017 No.10108479 I bump too. Waiting for an answer

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 23:39:03 2017 No.10108504 >>10100029 Sculpting in Time by demigod Tarkovsky. Also Eisenstein.

Anonymous Thu Oct 5 00:39:09 2017 No.10108658

>>10108479

There are a ton of answers in this thread.
>Truffaut/Hitchcock
>the work of Bazin
>Metz's Film Language
>Robin Wood's Hitchcock's Films Revisited and Hollywood from Vietnam to Reagan
>Agee on Film
>Kael's 5001 Nights at the Movies
>Tarkovsky's Sculpting in Time
>Sontag's Notes on Camp and her essay on Syberberg's Hitler: A Film from Germany
>Lynch on Lynch
>Deleuze's Cinema 1 and Cinema 2
>Manny Farber's Negative Space
>Rosenbaum and Hoberman's Midnight Movies

Pick and choose.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 5 01:02:13 2017 No.10108705 >>10100029 Mark Cousin's the Story of Film: an Odyssey

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 5 01:03:21 2017 No.10108712 >>10103798 >hurrr durr children's superhero shit exists so i guess all of film is stoopid xD

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 5 04:05:05 2017 No.10109106 >>10100029 Take a look at his fingers. Take all the time you need....

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 5 04:28:00 2017 No.10109155 Lynch is a terrible director. If you like him please leave /lit/

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 5 04:36:51 2017 No.10109164 >>10109155 It's fine if you're still asshurt over the Twin Peaks finale but suck it up.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 5 05:01:41 2017 No.10109207 >>10109164 The show was a mess and people who try to defend it are a joke.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 5 05:10:00 2017 No.10109224 File: 19 KB, 300x373, 1504134367261.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10109207 It's a great show and the only people who could possibly hate it are Mark Frost loving nerds.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 5 06:36:34 2017 No.10109353 I would recommend Jean Claude Carrière for absolute begginers. Arnheim manifestos for later. >>10100037 This. He uses cinema as a way to expose his philosophy, but in no way he studies it as art.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 5 07:20:36 2017 No.10109480 >>10109224 go back to your containment thread

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 5 07:39:51 2017 No.10109561 >>10103798 but that's just a theory A GAME THEORY

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 5 07:41:00 2017 No.10109567 >>10105932 This. He said Rosellini's War Trilogy doesn't hold up. That made my piss boil.

Anonymous Thu Oct 5 07:42:56 2017 No.10109573

>>10108705
Great choice, anon. Also make sure to pick up the DVD documentary too. 15 hours that are a perfect accompaniment and almost like a crash course in film theory, history and filmmaking.

A lot of people complain about Cousin's voice being tedious but I find it relaxing.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 5 08:32:57 2017 No.10109707 >>10103677 Start with the russians

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 5 08:38:03 2017 No.10109725 >>10109573 stockholm my love is such a piece of crap can't believe the same guy who made that series made that film desu

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 5 09:20:06 2017 No.10109865 4sjsjj

Anonymous Thu Oct 5 11:21:29 2017 No.10110288

Don't bother with Andre Bazin, he's too outdated and his ideas are largely disproven.

Also lacanianism & psychoanalisys in cinema are dead (Zizek is a joke, but a fun read nonetheless).

My advice is to read the cinematic body from steven shaviro and go from there.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 5 11:40:18 2017 No.10110359 >>10104590 >>10105735 Sontag is jewish and a woman, the two taken together leaves the /pol/ ideologues to dismiss her work whenever she's brought up. I'm sure there is valid criticism of her work but you won't find it so easily.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 5 12:08:02 2017 No.10110464 >>10109155 >Lynch is a terrible director. I don't understand how you could seriously say that. Well, alright, I do know. You're a pleb.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 5 14:57:39 2017 No.10111127 >>10109155 Regardless of his other work, Mulholland Drive is still the best film of the 2000's. I don't doubt S&S and Cahiers on that.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 5 15:11:46 2017 No.10111182 >>10100029 stop pretending you care about film and just read continental philosophy

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 5 15:29:42 2017 No.10111273 >>10111182 ?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 5 17:08:22 2017 No.10111673 >>10106609 wtf i love criterion collection now!

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 6 02:48:56 2017 No.10113470 is Film Art a good introduction to film analysis or can someone suggest a better alternative?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 6 07:43:09 2017 No.10114008 >>10113470 got you faem https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRXI__Wixas&list=PLJGOq3JclTH8J73o2Z4VMaSYZDNG3xeZ7

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