Read, optional, avoid

[Anonymous No.10085119]

Let's get one of these going.
/v/ out of all places has made this format for franchises, it's easily adapted for authors.
Do your worst, template in next post.
>inb4 opinion excepted from a /v/edditor

[Anonymous No.10085120]

>>10085119
Template.

[Anonymous No.10085284]

Cool thread, but I'm on mobile so I can't edit the template.It is a shame though because I was going to make a great one with Dostoevsky's wrk.

[Anonymous No.10085298]

>>10085284
>because I was going to make a great one with Dostoevsky's wrk.
better leave the "Avoid" section empty then, and i guess i'd only put The Raw Youth and Poor Folk in optional

[Anonymous No.10085302]

i'm too lazy to use ms paint but i'm looking forward to this thread

[Anonymous No.10085338]

>>10085298
In avoid, Id put some of his short stories like Bobok
Optional: Thr double, poor folk, the gambler
Read: all his novels and notes from the underground

[Anonymous No.10085348]

>>10085338
i understand but the gambler is pure fun :3

[Anonymous No.10085381]

Phoneposting so I can't make one but in highschool I was really into Jospeh Heller so here's my list for him

>Read
Catch-22, Good as Gold, God Knows

>Optional
Something Happened, Catch as Catch Can, No Laughing Matter

>Avoid
Closing Time, Picture This

[Anonymous No.10085397]

>>10085119
> Avoid Man in the High Castle
Is this just bait? It's certainly not his best book, but I thought a worthwhile read.

[Anonymous No.10085409]

[Anonymous No.10085412]

>>10085409
How about Totem and Taboo?

[Anonymous No.10085422]

>>10085412
Verbose jargon-laced drivel. Optional, not essential.

[Anonymous No.10085524]

>>10085397
Agreed, it would be fine under optional

[Anonymous No.10085661]

>>10085284
/lit/ is not a very fast board, thread will still be up when you're home.

[Anonymous No.10085965]

>>10085119

[Anonymous No.10086107]

Too lazy to macro.

Read: Lolita, Pale Fire, Ada, Transparent Things, Lectures on Literature, The Gift, Invitation to a Beheading, Pnin.

Optional: Real life of Sebastian Knight, Look at the Hareliquins, The Eye, Despair, The Defense,

Avoid: Mary, Glory, The Original of Laura

[Anonymous No.10086871]

Some of the works on the avoid list are not necessarily bad, but lack the main traces of the author and some of the themes are better developed by others. I really enjoy White Nights, for instance, but the novella is full of romantic cliches to the point that it feels like a parody.
The optional are works that are less developed if compared to the ones on "read". Lots of key themes of his work are already present in the Double, but they are better developed on other works such as Notes from the Underground.

[Anonymous No.10086907]

>>10085119
High castle is for sure on optional

[Anonymous No.10086947]

>>10085381
What's so bad about Closing Time

[Anonymous No.10086963]

>>10085965
where would you put a russian journal?

[Anonymous No.10087055]

[Anonymous No.10087140]

>>10085409
>Freud's obsession with homosexuality in psychology
>Peter GAY
kek

[Anonymous No.10087164]

>>10085119
>Ubik is optional

Get this garbage out of my face

[Anonymous No.10087307]

>>10087055
Ion is a must read if anything.

[Anonymous No.10087338]

t. read his entire oeuvre

[Anonymous No.10087356]

Joyce

Read

[Anonymous No.10087365]

Grillet.
Read Jealousy and In the Labyrinth.
Voyeur is optional.
Avoid The Erasers.
That's all of his work I've read so feel free to add to it.

[Anonymous No.10087445]

[Anonymous No.10088076]

>>10087445
agreed

[Anonymous No.10088303]

>>10085119
/r/ing DeLillo, and from someone who has extensively read DeLillo.

[Anonymous No.10088351]

>>10087055
this is good from my limited experience but I'd put cratylus in avoid

[Anonymous No.10088354]

>>10087445
lot 49 was awesome

it's the only one I've read

[Anonymous No.10088615]

>>10087055
Switch Republic and Phaedrus.
The second is one of the most beautiful philosophical text ever. The Republic is the worst of his writings ideas-wise (completely goes against The Laws which is a masterpiece) and is only good because of a few references, so I'd put it in optional.

[Anonymous No.10088928]

William Gibson
>Read
What he created in the 80's
>Optional
What he wrote in the 90's
>Avoid
What he produced in the 00's

[Anonymous No.10089283]

>>10087356
>Joyce
>read whatever that play was

[Anonymous No.10089296]

someone do The Big Bad Bard

[Anonymous No.10089759]

>>10087445
put against the day in read and bleeding edge in optional :)

[Anonymous No.10089964]

>>10086871
I would add Demons to Read, move Notes to optional.

[Anonymous No.10089970]

>>10085409
Civilization and its discontents debunks the claim Freud is 'outdated'. It's more pertinent than ever.

[Anonymous No.10090313]

>>10089964
In my opinion, Notes is one of his key works. Most of his work published after that should be on read anyway, but it did not have space.

[Anonymous No.10091858]

>>10088615
Could you explain how Republic contradicts the laws?

[Anonymous No.10092391]

>>10087445
Is Slow Learner any good?

[Anonymous No.10092416]

r/ing a Vonnegut chart. I've read Slapstick, Slaugherhouse-Five, and Cat's Cradle.

[Anonymous No.10092487]

>>10092416

[Anonymous No.10092498]

>>10092487
thx anon

[Anonymous No.10092507]

Phoneposting like a fag atm, but here's my Murakami list.
>Read
The Wind-Up Bird Chronicle, Hardboiled Wonderland and The End of the World, Kafka on the Shore, Underground, and The Elephant Vanishes.
>Optional
After the Quake, After Dark, A Wild Sheep Chase, Norwegian Wood, 1Q84; and Dance, Dance, Dance.
>Ignore
Everything else. Reading Hear The Wind Sing and Pinball is recommended for Dance, Dance, Dance and Sheep Chase, though.


>>10088303
>Read
Underworld
White Noise
Libra
The Names
Mao II

>Optional
Point Omega
Americana
Great Jones Street (just for the imagery)

>Avoid
Everything else aside from Zero K (which I haven't read).
>>10092391
Not him, but it's okay. I was expecting it to be a bit more intimate, honestly.

[Anonymous No.10092642]

Nick Land one professional made in MS Paint, complete with my favorite posts from the older CCRU hyperstition blog, Xenosystems, and Urban Future 2.1.

[Anonymous No.10092654]

>>10092642
Hows his approch to literary criticism?

[Anonymous No.10092835]

>>10092654
>Hows his approch to literary criticism?

If you are talking about Chasm 89, then his notes on literature are near the end. Here is a link to the book: https://slideblast.com/chasm_599d398c1723ddc399003db4.html

His manifesto on "abstract literature" starts on page 141.

I would say it covers two components: secrecy and horror, which are both tied up with each other.

On secrecy, it would help to read some of those posts and essays with topics on teleology, secrecy, camouflage, that essay on war, and so on. Very crudely, his approach to literary criticism is quite similar to some family resemblance position involving the following secretive styles of writing: esoteric writing, Russian literature's "Aesopian language," Abraham and Torok's "poetics of hiding," and the "hermeneutics of concealment". He goes further than these though, as many of those use rhetorical moves to hide what they are writing (often in esoteric writing, if you have the conceptual background similar to the writer, you can grasp what they are saying esoterically); while Land's concept of "abstract literature" is saying that both the language, epistemology, and ontology are all secretive, i.e. the surface writing is esoteric, but also that our knowledge about the object (usually something weird, eerie, or bound up with horror) is flawed because the object hides as well. See notes 108-112.

On horror, see notes 114-122. You'll also want to read his material on what philosophy is, human cognition/thinking, and GNON. His writing on horror is tied up with both secrecy and issues of non-representation. You'll probably want to read Fisher (aka k-punk) The Weird and the Eerie, as it goes over similar topics.

[Anonymous No.10092875]

>>10092835
Id like to thank you for a very descriptive explanation and for the links you provided.
I dont know much about Land, Ive seen people recommending him as a dark enlightenment? author.
The genres of his fiction (sci fi, horror, steampunk) appeal little to me, the only essay I have read on weird is Lovecraft's, whose fiction I used to appreciate about 8 years ago, is there any similarity to his view of literature, his fiction and Lovecraft's?
Do you know his influences?

Thanks again

[Anonymous No.10093388]

>>10092507
All that DeLillo, and no Falling Man?

Fuuuuck, I literally just bought it.

[Anonymous No.10093449]

>>10093388
Falling Man is not bad at all, but I do think it's pretty much his most boring book along with The Body Artist. But like I said, not bad by any means.

[Anonymous No.10093669]

>>10093449
Thanks, anon.

[Anonymous No.10093692]

>>10085409
>Freud
>every single work of his not in the “avoid” section

How far this board has fallen

[Anonymous No.10093750]

>>10086871
Isn't Bobok only like 8 pages long?

[Anonymous No.10093761]

>>10093692
Why avoid? Just started reading him minutes ago, so I'm wondering

[Anonymous No.10093774]

>>10093761
Most of his theories are bullshit and his reasoning is extremely flawed. You will see it as you read him. That being said, he's still a good read and psychoanalysis is cool, its just his theories are either bullshit, rely on a whole lot of conjecture and assumptions, or unfalsifiable.

[Anonymous No.10093776]

>>10093761
Navel-gazing Coke head pervert intellectualises his enormous failures. You’ll get infected by his thought patterns and you might never recover, because odds you don’t have the wits or the strength to cure yourselves from them and will in turn infect other people around you

[Anonymous No.10093804]

>>10092507
Ratner's Star is legit DeLillo's best, breh. Ya dun goofed.

[Anonymous No.10093836]

>>10085397
It an angry contrarian reaction to the fact that they made a dumb tv show off the book. Note how they put several of his literally who novels in "read" and put Androids and Ubik to optional. Man in the High Castle is good, and dealt with Dick's themes of flawed authenticity in a better, and more entertaining manner than Flow my Tears, imo. I think Valis is a bit overrated on here.

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[Anonymous No.10094038]

>>10087338
what about st anthony's temptation?

[Anonymous No.10094046]

>>10085409
BLOODY JEWS!
They do my nut

[Anonymous No.10095165]

>>10087445
I'd argue that the crying of lot 49 is pretty mandatory because it's a good introduction to Pynchon, but to each their own.

[Anonymous No.10095255]

[Anonymous No.10095290]

>>10087445
Switch V with lot 49 and you're good

[Anonymous No.10095310]

>>10095255
Id divide memes , some of them are not optional

[Anonymous No.10095317]

>>10095255

[Anonymous No.10096343]

>>10095255
kekd

[Anonymous No.10096371]

>>10087445
Against the Day and Bleeding Edge are his best IMO.

[Anonymous No.10096514]

>>10088928
Wrong. Spook Country is fantastic