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10083974 No.10083974 [Reply] [Original]

Was he even left-wing?

>> No.10083976

>>10083974
Why do you care?

>> No.10083984

>>10083976

It's just /pol/ being /pol/: namely fucking imbeciles who can't figure out if a French philosopher influenced by the Marxists who wrote about sex and the horrors of the penal system is right wing or not.

You have to be next level stupid to think Foucault was even remotely right wing

>> No.10083986

using the political dichotomy on philosophers doesn't work. If I had to generalize I would say he was more left than right

>> No.10083987

>>10083984
He was a believer in a hierarchical social society which is a base belief of the right wing.

>> No.10083992

he was very much for freedom

>> No.10083996

>>10083984
i didn't ask if he was right-wing, i asked if he was left-wing

the left/right thing is a false dichotomy

>> No.10083999

>>10083987

I think he soured on Communism as he aged, but he still strongly supported things like anti-racism and violations of human dignity. So no, he is not someone even remotely connected to the right in any way.

>> No.10084000

>>10083999
>not left-wing = right-wing
>right-wing = racist
go back to leftypol

>> No.10084001

>>10083974
Not really. He is his own thing.

>> No.10084013

>>10083999
This. The right is intrinsically fascist in its nature and Foucault dedicated his life to criticizes fascism. Just because he didn't agree on everything with the left doesn't mean he wasn't a leftist.

>> No.10084016

>>10083986
>using the political dichotomy on philosophers doesn't work
yes it does. you just figure out if his ideas would be left or right wing in your own country since those two terms are mostly relative to your own country's current political climate

>> No.10084017

>>10084013
>The right is intrinsically fascist in its nature
you know that this is equivalent to the whole "post-modern communism idpol" thing the right does, right?

>> No.10084026

>>10084013
Amateur analysis.

>> No.10084028

>>10084013
the right in soviet russia called for freedom for their countries and a dismantling of their degenerating oligarchic state

>> No.10084030

dumb americans: he's libertarian in the extreme. that used constitute leftism in france, but he did have a dalliance with the marxists, who are kind of authoritarian.

the US "left" would hate him. along with supporting not recognising the state, he also suggested not recognising ages of consent or need to inform about AIDS risks. (that means fucking little boys without telling them you have gay plague, for the very dumb americunts) the "right" wouldn't have him either because of the why not fuck young boys aspect.

people who want to legalize crack though would like him. if you're one of them, go for it.

>> No.10084031

>>10084028
And then jewish bolsheviks murdered them.

>> No.10084038

>>10084013
Don't you have some speeches to go shut down, antifagot?

>> No.10084041

>>10084031
DELET

>> No.10084044

>>10084000
>>10084026
>>10084017

>>>/Bellevue/

>> No.10084047

>>10084031
merely designations

>> No.10084051

>>10084013
>The right is intrinsically fascist in its nature
so there was no right wing before fascism?
idiot

>> No.10084082

>>10084051
everyone he doesn't like is literally hitler

>> No.10084092

>>10084051
Yes, there was, and it led to fascism.

>> No.10084094

>>10084092
>t. eric clanton

>> No.10084105

>>10084051
>>10084082

Not that guy, but the "right" of today is not the same as the "right" of FUCKING ABRAHAM LINCOLN. The "right" of the 21st century has drifted toward the following:

>marginalization and mockery of anyone that isn't white or male
>going back to the old "the Jews are the problem!" rhetoric of the Third Reich
>flagrant disregard of people struggling financially
>opposition to programs that help people who need genuine help, including reasonably priced health care

But seriously: why are you guys everywhere? Fuck, you're like some kind of lunatic virus preaching hate and intolerance every place you visit. If you're "serious," seriously re-evaluate what aspects of your life are the source of this shit. If you're trolling ... go elsewhere.

>> No.10084108

>>10084105
last time I checked it was the left who wanted israel to suffer and free palestine

>> No.10084111

>>10084105
i'm not even right wing

but the right wing doesn't start and end with /pol/

>> No.10084112

>>10084105
>anyone that isn't white or male
Implying you aren't, which means you are?

>> No.10084114

>>10084105
lol who the fuck are you trying to kid?

>> No.10084120

>>10083974
he's literally the source of all "muh opression" idpol rhetoric to ever exist, so yes he's left wing, just not the right kind.

>> No.10084128

>>10084120
Him too?

>> No.10084136

>>10084092
Marxism lead to fascism just as much as anything else.
and I wouldn't call Fascism terribly far right compared to other ideas
Absolute Monarchy is much more far right than Fascism is.

>> No.10084140

>>10084105
>>flagrant disregard of people struggling financially
give poor people bribes just leads to murderers

>> No.10084147

>>10084105
>>opposition to programs that help people who need genuine help, including reasonably priced health care
programs to help the poor just make everything worse because you're paying someone money to give money away

>> No.10084151

>>10084105

>marginalization and mockery of anyone that isn't white or male

That only started when the left began to marginalize and mock everyone who was white or male. Quid pro quo.

>> No.10084152

>>10084147
what

>> No.10084153

>>10084105
can't imagine how thickos like you manage to still be lumbering about on 4chan of all places. like confused dinosaurs

>> No.10084154

>>10084152
when you make some sort of safety net for poor people, you just making your society give money into public coffers. Then, out comes less money then what was put it, so it doesn't actually make society less poor because the money gets used paying all of the people in government to figure out who to dole it out to.

>> No.10084155

>>10084151
not true, they are not victims

>> No.10084158

>>10084154
That's a pretty simplistic way to look at it, anon. You must be very young.

>> No.10084159

>>10084155
when you bash someone's head in for talkign about what they beileve in, and its against teh law, they're a victim

>> No.10084161

>>10084155
being a victim is nothing to be proud of
frankly victims deserve to be victimized

>> No.10084168

>>10084161
>im a criminal
enjoy your execution and enslavement

>> No.10084169

>>10084159
Are you talking about that nazi advocate that was punched some time ago?

>> No.10084170

>>10084151
Yes, how brilliant and justified. Those brown people will regret thinking badly about me! Stupid savages should have remained a western colony, they're not good for anything else. The alt-right is the mature and sophisticated philosophy for a white man like myself.

>> No.10084172

>>10083987
>hierarchical social society which is a base belief of the right wing.

No one that advocates democracy can be said to be very much a believer of hierarchy.

The left-right dichtomamy is a very, very narrow aspect of the thought process. Anti-egalitarianism doesn't really fit into either group.

>> No.10084174

>>10084151
On one side: a history of oppression
On the other side: being mocked on the internet

>> No.10084176

>>10084169
im talking about antifa as a whole who started lynching people

>> No.10084181

>>10084176
Where?

>> No.10084185

>>10084158
the poor have never been lifted out of poverty because a law was passed as it is a matter like the coming of the tides. Nature doesn't care about what laws you pass, and the soviets in their attempts to justify their world killed everyone they could, which is beginning with antifa.

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>>10084168
honestly the stunted perspective of these "underprivileged" really has no value what so ever, their scope of thought is so impossibly narrow due to their slave like impoverished existence.
that's why only a tiny few of these sorts of "oppressed" people have ever created anything of real value, like Shakespeare who came from the lower class and a marginalized Catholic background.
this is far from the norm however as most of them are impossibly caught up in a materialist "gimmiedat" mentality.
the "oppressed" have nothing of value to say or create, its sad but true.
their utterly stunted existences and limitations prevent anything worthwhile from ever being created by the overwhelming majority of them

they tranquillize themselves with these ideas so they can externalize their problems and thrash about aimlessly instead of addressing them.

>> No.10084189

>>10084181
berkely mostly, though furguson and DC police officers got attacked too

>> No.10084192

>>10084188
the law must be enforced, without it there is no justice and hence no reason to exist. Which is why the victims of this earth as found by a court of law or God must be protected

>> No.10084194

>>10084185
What on earth are you talking about? You conflate so many things it's a literal mess.

>> No.10084200

It's really annoying when North Americans pretend to represent the whole political spectrum and think everyone should cry about events in their country. This alt-right bullshit is pretty much defined by American reactionary butthurt following Obama. Why should I give a shit, when you fuckers can't even tell me basic things about European politics?
There is no real left-wing in America anyway, the ground has been seized by liberals of various stripes.

>> No.10084202

>>10084189
No lynchings, then. Good.

>> No.10084203

>>10084192
the law is not the issue, and is always ephemeral

>> No.10084205

>>10084194
Poverty as a phenomenon outside of the scope of the quill and paper, and instead depends on the individual rather than the state to end.

>> No.10084206

>>10084200
both the right and left in America are Liberals

>> No.10084207

>>10084202
a group of people ganging up on someone is a lynching

>> No.10084209

>>10084205
You write poorly, I'm sorry to say. Godspeed.

>> No.10084213

>>10083999
He was a Marxist and like the rest of those French philosophers became a post-modernist. Concerned with social justice & civil rights he is definitely left-wing.

>> No.10084214

>>10084203
if you attack a victim, just as Hitler and Pol Pot, then you are subject to the judgement of the law.

>> No.10084219

>>10084209
>grammar police
>personal attacks
>religious zealotry
your people suffer unto death until you realize that the traditionalists are right

>> No.10084221

>>10084200
>This alt-right bullshit is pretty much defined by American reactionary butthurt following Obama
No, it's more of a reaction to Bush and fake conservatives who qualify as one of your "liberals of various stripes." Btw, you're a faggot if you're actually a European counter-signaling white Americans.

>> No.10084223

>>10084207
you're full of shit and you know it

>> No.10084225

>>10084223
they were convicted of it too

>> No.10084227

>>10084221
>Btw, you're a faggot if you're actually a European counter-signaling white Americans.

>D-D-DON'T TOUCH MY COUNTRY!!!!!!

>> No.10084228

>>10084219
Right about what?

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10084232

>>10084155

Sure they are.

>>10084170

I wouldn't go so far as to call them "stupid" but a culture that burns widows alive, sacrifices children to dark gods, and defecates on the ground certainly is savage. Maybe it's not their fault that they never developed civilization but that doesn't change the fact that the Indian subcontinent is backward and benighted as fuck.

>>10084174

It's a bit more than just mockery my dude.

>> No.10084236

>>10084225
Of lynching? Do you have a source to share?

>> No.10084237

He was a cultural marxist

>> No.10084238

>>10084228
Women, democracies, capital punishment, welfare, imperialism, marxists, and immigrants

>> No.10084243

>>10084213
Jacques Derrida as well, big part of the reason social science and arts faculties in American universities are dominated by radical leftist professors.

>> No.10084244

>>10084232
>It's a bit more than just mockery my dude
Please expound.

>> No.10084254

>>10084236
US courts on trial of rioters post 2015
>im suppose to quote everything for your stupid ass to read
you're just another lazy socialist who hates work and denies reality

>> No.10084257

>>10083974
no

>> No.10084259

>>10084254
>they were not convicted for lynching

>> No.10084266

>>10084259
>my imaginary socialist world where welfare solves poverty and lynchings only happen to black people
you're delusional and pathetic. Im going to vote for martial law to be reinstated so your kind get tied to a rock and thrown in the ocean

>> No.10084271

>>10083974
Some critics see Foucault as effectively belonging to the political right because of his rejection of traditional left-liberal conceptions of freedom and justice.

>> No.10084275

>>10084266
I thought you preferred lynchings.

>> No.10084278

>>10084266
>anon is an ameriburger

>> No.10084279

>>10084275
I like it when you commies get shot in the back of the head for blasphemy against the communist state.

>> No.10084282

>>10084278
its a western tradition to kill commies

>> No.10084288

>>10084282
Who else do you traditionnally like to kill?

>> No.10084290

holdomor was the best day of my life fuck anarchists

>> No.10084292

>>10084288
Im not the one who kill them courts of law kill them

>> No.10084295

over 100 million commeis died trying to feed themselves by stealing and they were still to poor to survive rofl

>> No.10084305

Pol Pot liked taking all of these westernized faggots who wear glasses and drink soy lattes and cut them in half with a buzzsaw the fucking abominations

>> No.10084306

>>10084292
>law
Where are you from?

>> No.10084308

faggot ass commies like to pretend that the genocides never happend rofl they're so cucked ltierally supporting their own genocide

>> No.10084312

>>10084306
none of your business faggot. Go vote labour and hope you dont get acid thrown in your face

>> No.10084316

>>10084312
Why are you emulating the rhetoric of a psychopathic killer?

>> No.10084327

>>10084316
I cant wait for your kind to lay splain like all those faggot gangbangers. I want there to be more riots so there can be a public hanging of you and your faggot friends. Should be like the circus, some get the bullet, electric chair, hanging, be fucking great.
>you are an abomination in the eyes of God

>> No.10084338

>>10084327
It seems you want civil war. You can't be serious.

>> No.10084346

>>10084338
>muh commie fantasys
keep dreaming commie. Youll die without a declaration of war like your kind has since Marx

>> No.10084349

>antifa puts women in front of their foot soldiers and whines about them getting hit
rofl they'll get killed to for using muslim terror tactics

>> No.10084353

we need the gallows and the national guard to massacre these faglords for all this terrorist filth

>> No.10084377

I bet these faggot commie bitches will start spluttering their autistic questions during their trials too, but they already are!

>> No.10084394

>>10084346
You're the one fantasising here, imagining new laws, more riots and crimes. Anon was just being an ass.

>> No.10084399

>>10084353
>>10084377
Easy boy. Let's be a little more subtle and a little less cocksure lest we get confused for false flaggers.

>> No.10084412

>>10084394
these are actual events supported by law, on top of that antifa is a terrorist organization. So they'll be subject to the same treatment as osama bin laden

>> No.10084413

foucault is an overrated nationalist meme

>> No.10084418

>>10084399
>the 4chan falseflaggers
Even The Young Turks only ever speculated about such an organization, apparently we were the berekly rioters

>> No.10084496

>>10084105
You do realize how pathetic and out of touch this narrative sounds to anyone outside of the white bourgeoisie ?

>> No.10084515

>>10083974
He belonged to a fucking communist party and was hell bent on destroying Occidental values and traditions.

You figure it out yourself.

>> No.10084516

>>10084305
I think Pol Pot preferred plastic bags to suffocate people because bullets were too expensive :/

>> No.10084531

He wanted to die in an suicide pact orgy where there was no discrimination against your partners.

>> No.10084537

>>10084515
Honestly this. He only claimed he wasn't a Marxist just because every French intellectual of the time was and he wanted to seem cool.

>> No.10084598

>>10084013
>Foucault dedicated his life to criticizes fascism
WTF. He hated Deleuze for still obsessing over fascism. Read The Birth of Biopolitics, he connects the phobia of fascism with neoliberalism.
If anything, he dedicated his life to analyzing power on its own terms. Any kind of power.

>> No.10084619

>>10083974
No. If anything he was an anarcho-nihilist. I know this is otherwise a cringy label that idiots use to be edgy, but these are the best words that I can find at the moment.
He wasn't for anything in itself. He supported movements that were contradictory to each other simply because they were resistance in a given situation. Basically, he was for resistance of any kind.
He looked at society as a perpetual civil war, with the dominant power (e.g. liberalism today, nationalism back then) trying to deny that fact. This is particularly obvious if you read "Society Must to be Defended" (ironic title) and The Punitive Society. He shits on all ideas of some kind of unified utopia which is basically always just another hegemony that maintains a state of peace via war. Foucault wants nothing else but to unveil that war going on and for people to affirm it instead of deploring it, and to side with the underdog. War is always there no matter what, in fact it's everywhere, it's just a matter of which positions and strategies you exercise in it.

>> No.10085011

>>10084151
This

>> No.10085620

>>10084619
>side with the underdog
>anarcho-nihilist
This is the problem. He's a poseur

>> No.10085745

>>10083974
He was a C L A S S I C A L L I B E R A L

>> No.10085987

>>10084244
this

>> No.10086010

>>10083984
>/leftypol/ brainlet trying his hardest

>> No.10088186

>>10083974
boomp

>> No.10088233

>>10083974
No, but that doesn't mean that every left wing theorist since hasn't used him to jusitfy their lunacy.