>Wonder why reddit is generally badmouthed and unpopular among anons >It's probably just the contrarian hating machine meme >Perhaps I ought to check r/books and disprove the general consensus

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Anonymous Mon Sep 25 13:27:57 2017 No.10069443 [DELETED]

>Wonder why reddit is generally badmouthed and unpopular among anons
>It's probably just the contrarian hating machine meme
>Perhaps I ought to check r/books and disprove the general consensus

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 13:29:33 2017 No.10069448 File: 17 KB, 1605x68, AQ7CNCN.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] fucking LOL

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 13:39:28 2017 No.10069489 you've just now discovered that reddit is for plebosaurs of the lowest common denominator?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 13:49:27 2017 No.10069524 Everyone in the Harry Potter thread proceeded to sperg out because OP suggested they read something beyond children's books

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 13:51:12 2017 No.10069531 Go to /r/literature. Posters put 10x more effort commenting there than they do here, and the tastes are similar.

Anonymous Mon Sep 25 13:52:01 2017 No.10069534

DESU, it's hard to find books in my preferred genre (fantasy, but NOT high fantasy or really even sword and sorcery) that aren't labeled as YA. The few that I've found that are marketed for "mature adults" tend to be a bit on the pretentious side.
I like a simple, clean narrative built around relatable characters going through extraordinary and mythical adventures. I find that as a general rule, such books are marketed as YA, even if I'd personally disagree with that classification.

>likes plastic shiny things but doesnt want them to be marketed as "children's toys"

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 13:53:57 2017 No.10069541 you speak a right anon, but r/literature is embarassingly much better than here, sorry.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 13:55:18 2017 No.10069547 >>10069443 And then remember these people think they are more intelligent than the average person who doesn't read at all. They might be right

Anonymous Mon Sep 25 14:07:42 2017 No.10069591

>>10069443
>check r/books
>Harry Potter is the best book ever written
>[your favorite author] is a racist, sexist, cis-scum shitlord.
>intersectional feminism reading 101
>black woman authors you need to read right now
>John Green's new sequel to 'Cancer Tweens 2'
>His Dark Materials and why Christianity is bad

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 14:10:44 2017 No.10069601 >>10069541 They have like two threads a year and say nothing in them but the most basic bitch pasted from A Cambridge Reader safe opinions

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 14:17:44 2017 No.10069634 >>10069534 Just read epic poems you fucking faggot

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 14:20:46 2017 No.10069646 >>10069531 >Posters put 10x more effort commenting This is not a good thing

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 14:23:07 2017 No.10069655 >>10069534 >fantasy, but NOT high fantasy or really even sword and sorcery Ooh, aren't you a big boy

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 14:25:09 2017 No.10069659 At least those are threads about books instead of /pol/ bait and unfunny memes.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 14:28:01 2017 No.10069668 >>10069443 they also believe that listening to an audiobook is the same as reading.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 14:29:46 2017 No.10069676 >>10069659 Then why don't you go there instead Chaim

Anonymous Mon Sep 25 14:31:43 2017 No.10069685

>>10069534
It's hard for me to find many books I like that center around female protagonists in Adult Fiction. And even if they are marketed as Adult Fiction people will refer to them as Young Adult. Even when there's sex, extreme violence, murder, etc.

Most of my favorite books of late are by authors who started in Young Adult and now have the opportunity to write Adult, such as Jay Kristoff and V.E. Schwabb. And people will still wrongly classify those books as Young Adult.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 14:34:43 2017 No.10069701 >>10069685 >Even when there's sex, extreme violence, murder, etc. No that Tarantino tier plebshit is exactly why its still YA

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 14:39:03 2017 No.10069721 >>10069524 oh my god this is hilarious.

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>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 14:40:47 2017 No.10069726 It's disgusting how everyone on there makes sure to show they're SO TOLERANT. Even the guy who made the thread about adults not reading anything beyond hp had to to write line after line to prevent triggering fags.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 14:42:39 2017 No.10069738 >>10069685 Try NK Jemisin' novels. She's won the past two Hugo awards for best novel (first non-white and non-male to do so). She writes fantasy about women of color and did an interview on 1A a couple weeks ago

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 14:45:27 2017 No.10069751 >>10069726 That's... good? How far does debate actually go when you're sitting there triggering emotional reactions over rational ones. Actually, don't answer. I'll check Twitter and figure it out.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 14:53:15 2017 No.10069790 >>10069541 Not true

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 14:55:02 2017 No.10069795 >>10069443 As if the front page of /lit/ at any given time is any less embarrassing.

Anonymous Mon Sep 25 14:55:24 2017 No.10069798

>>10069646
If you enjoy discussion, it is. All we do here is spam authors' names, simplify their ideas into greentext, and have beginner-tier arguments about politics. Once in a blue moon, someone with actual knowledge pops in, and it's remarkable enough to get several replies in its praise. Such posts happen every thread there.

>inb4 go back there then
I'm not from reddit. I barely even visit /r/literature, because anon-posting is wonderful, and the place has its own issues. I just know that /lit/ can be vastly better than it is now, and perhaps if people like you wipe off your stupid, detached ironic grins, it will be.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 15:01:32 2017 No.10069831 >>10069795 There's no frogposts at the moment so its not doing too bad

Anonymous Mon Sep 25 15:10:11 2017 No.10069858

These retards also believe that Hemingway is high literature. I love Papa but come on. They act like he's on the level of Dosto or Tolstoy when it comes to the difficulty of interpretation.

Fave thread about Hem, summing up /r/books

>idk they just drank in Paris and then drank in Spain
>I hate the book because Brett was slutty. Not that I slutshame or anything
>there was war and shit
>they were a lost generation cuz many died
>he said so much with so few words
>M I N I M A L I S M
>V I G O R O U S W R I T I N G
>not that I can understand it lol
>the fish is actually bipolar disorder, right? Because I am bipolar and I fight it sooo
>idk I prefer hobbits and saurons

Oh and if you dare to read a Catcher in the rye thread:

>I don't read books with unrelatable protagonists
>I hate Holden he was a dick, shitbook
>I'll let you know that Holden suffered from PTSD, ADHD, OCD, autism, schizophrenia, clinical depression, and a few more mental illnesses that are hip today
>I have all those why u hate Holden why u hate me
>cue 20 users who collect disabilities as a hobby
>thread becomes a support group for the wannabe-disabled
>they pat each other on the back
>it randomly evolves into a conversation about A song of ice and fire

Some days I just want to end it all.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 15:12:14 2017 No.10069865 >>10069858 >>I'll let you know that Holden suffered from PTSD, ADHD, OCD, autism, schizophrenia, clinical depression, and a few more mental illnesses that are hip today I hate this one the most, psychology was a mistake

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 15:15:24 2017 No.10069879 >>10069865 It's not psychology but the practitioners who diagnose character flaws as mental illnesses. These illnesses do exist, but these hacks would diagnose every single person on Earth with at least 2 of them. That's just bullshit.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 15:17:51 2017 No.10069886 >>10069879 >These illnesses do exist >PTSD, ADHD, clinical depression No they don't

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 15:18:46 2017 No.10069889 >>10069886 Yes they do

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 15:21:05 2017 No.10069896 File: 182 KB, 1440x1080, 1480840384175.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10069889 Sure they do..

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 15:32:39 2017 No.10069940 >>10069886 They quite clearly do. Some idiots going overboard and self diagnosing doesn't change that.

Anonymous Mon Sep 25 15:34:45 2017 No.10069948

>>10069940
There's a difference between recognizing there is behavior that would be diagnosed under one of those headings, its another to believe they are "illnesses" and not simply individuals with their own rational relationship to reality
How is depression of any kind an illness or disorder? Or even PTSD for that matter?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 15:42:18 2017 No.10069975 >>10069940 Everyone in society is depressed, everyone has ADD, and everyone is Bipolar. (this last one doctors will actually tell you) I can't believe in a God and this crap at the same time.

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Anonymous Mon Sep 25 16:30:48 2017 No.10070167

>>10069948

Are you arguing that "disorder" and "illness" are not fit for these conditions, or that these conditions do not exist in the first place?

I can halfheartedly agree with the former, but not with the latter.

Where I live most reputable profs stick to this rule:
A patient is mentally "sick" (in lack of a better translation I can think of) if:
-His condition differs from the norm (deviance)
-His condition causes distress, it's bothersome, unpleasant and/or causes unhappiness
-His condition renders him disfunctional in his personal, social and worklife
-His condition endangers himself and/or others (suicidal/self destructive/violent tendencies or extreme disfunctionality)

If all 4 are present, the patient is mentally ill. If less than 4 are present, the patient "simply" deviates from the norm but is not mentally ill.

Examples of "simple" deviations include most personality disorders, as they do not hit all the marks on the list. This way, illnesses and disorders are separated. Mental illnesses are handled differently than disorders.
Sticking to this avoids pointless arguments about semantics in academia and practice, locally at least.

Afaik most English language literature considers disorders a subcategory of mental illnesses though, so this isn't an objective truth by all means.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 16:38:33 2017 No.10070195 guys i think we'd all do well to take this advice from the harry potter thread on board: >putting people down because they're happy with one thing, just because you prefer something else isn't really cool :^)

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 16:39:42 2017 No.10070199 File: 29 KB, 657x527, 1491573728073.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] can't tell if the posts ITT are ironic or not Tbh

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 16:47:48 2017 No.10070233 >>10069443 You know how we joke about each other being underage (and some of us are)? Reddit is filled with children. That alone accounts for at least a third of the shitty opinions in that thread.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 17:03:22 2017 No.10070294 >>10069534 >I like a simple, clean narrative built around relatable characters going through extraordinary and mythical adventures Ulysses

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 17:08:38 2017 No.10070316 >>10069547 It's horrible to think about but it's true. Everyone on /lit/ as well as r/books and r/literature actually does have an intellectual advantage to some degree, just because they sit down and read.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 17:10:17 2017 No.10070320 File: 375 KB, 1344x1344, st_augustine_hippo_24.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10069975 >I can't believe in a God and this crap at the same time. Speaking of Reddit

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 17:11:10 2017 No.10070326 >>10070167 dont even try anon, it's clear these guys are the pathetic "MUH needless contrarianism" that plaques this site, they are literally arguing ptsd doesn't exist because they read complaints on image boards about mid 2000s ADD over diagnosis

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 17:12:14 2017 No.10070334 >>10070100 more like >0.00001% of fantasy and sci fi is literature

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 17:13:29 2017 No.10070342 >>10069634 This nigga knows what's up

Anonymous Mon Sep 25 17:13:49 2017 No.10070343

To be honest - I read a lot, have a large personal library, and have mamy varying books from travel, travel stories, history, science, and different types of fiction.
YA is just so enjoyable to read when done well. I work hard all day. Im using my brain all day. Sometimes I just want to kick back a read a nice cheesy book, irrespective of what category it is.
Reading should be an enjoyment. It doesn't always have to be about furthering knowledge or reading harfer/morr complex books.
With the amount of differing entertainment options out there, I think its fantastic if someone DOES take time to read. More people shoukd read - doesnt matter what.
No need to be so judgemental about what they are reading.

Anonymous Mon Sep 25 17:15:48 2017 No.10070353

well no shit, you picked the subreddit that only talks about pop books. That would be like coming to 4chan's /pol/ wanting good political discourse.

These exist too you know
https://www.reddit.com/r/literature/
https://www.reddit.com/r/AskLiteraryStudies/
https://www.reddit.com/r/classicliterature/

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 17:18:15 2017 No.10070364 >>10070343 go back

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 17:20:03 2017 No.10070367 File: 138 KB, 1280x960, 1506034988937.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >tfw you copy/paste comments from reddit here all the time

Anonymous Mon Sep 25 17:20:38 2017 No.10070370

>>10070343
I don’t understand how this comment is constructive, or encourages the reader to think more deeply about anything. It appears to me that this comment’s only purpose is to display the cleverness of the author. Unfortunately, despite the collective efforts of the commentariate, we do get infiltration from those who are apparently determined to give the impression that they are incapable of parsing an entire piece of writing and reading it as a whole.

As has been previously noted (regular readers will be aware) we (that’s the “Royal we” — fellow commenters, occasional contributors such as myself and the moderator team) are engaged in an ongoing attempt to keep the quality of comments at its former impeccably high standard. Sadly, this is more of an effort than it should be.

And as a writer, it is rather tiresome having to try to explain to the occasional numpty who happens across a post basic reading comprehension skills, how to follow an argument when it is constructed long-form and the ability to master data interpretation.

And I’ve just caught up on all the subsequent comments on this page. All the other commenters have managed to make coherent and intelligible contributions that furthered my understanding or gave me something to think about, because they took the trouble to type more than a single sentence. I don’t agree with everything that’s been said in other comments. Quite the opposite in a couple of cases. But at least I understand what was expressed and the intention behind it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 17:21:31 2017 No.10070374 File: 56 KB, 440x722, 1483212392184.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10069541 It's slow as fuck It's packed to the gunwales with libruls Nobody ever comments on the threads They shadow banned me 0/10

Anonymous Mon Sep 25 17:22:51 2017 No.10070381

Did someone here write this?

>I totally agree. I get annoyed when anyone over 16 years old calls themselves a “reader” when all they read is YA fiction. I started reading Stephen King in 6th grade and never looked back. I’m a high school senior now, and I enjoy reading Thomas Pynchon, DFW, and other postmodern authors. I know that last sentence drips of pretentiousness and ego, but English and reading are two of my biggest passions (I’ve got perfect scores in both subjects on the ACT, if you know what that is) so naturally I’ve graduated to more profound books over time. There’s just too little being said in YA for it to “count” in my opinion. After all, some books literally say “For Ages 8-14” or something on the back cover. Can 20+ year olds read those constantly and still consider themselves passionate literature fans? Nah.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 17:33:14 2017 No.10070415 >>10069751 Do you really want to have a debate with people triggered by the notion that HP might be a children's book?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 17:35:46 2017 No.10070426 >>10069534 iliad and odyssey aeneid greek myths play d&d with friends

Anonymous Mon Sep 25 17:40:24 2017 No.10070443

ugh i hate harry potter

i've read it 3-4 times, all while in middle-high school. never really thought it was as great as people made it out to be.

>that one redditor who says stephen king called it literature
pot calling the kettle a saucier when in reality both the pot and the kettle are piles of shit

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 17:44:00 2017 No.10070453 >come to /lit/ >its a bunch of people complaining about Reddit, J Peterson, Rupi, John Green, politics, stephen king, rk rowlling >b-but its ok we also mention these same 6 authors over and over!

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 17:46:29 2017 No.10070465 File: 540 KB, 1680x1050, 1455171356797.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10069531 kys redditor

Anonymous Mon Sep 25 17:46:56 2017 No.10070467

>>10070167
I don't recognize as static categorizable conditions to begin with. There's talk in Psychology or umbrella diagnoses but I believe all diagnoses are umbrella diagnoses
The four criteria you list are vague and nebulous enough to be worthless, literally everyone can be called mentally ill under them

Anonymous Mon Sep 25 17:48:51 2017 No.10070473

>>10070326
I believe in Post-Traumatic stress, I don't believe in Post-Traumatic stress disorder. There's no disorder in being traumatized by some of the traumatic shit that's out there, its a perfectly reasonable response to the horror of war and the world

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>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 17:52:54 2017 No.10070486 >>10069448 I read literotica fapfiction with better prose than Red Rising.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 17:57:18 2017 No.10070499 >>10070353 honestly, which do you think is worse: /pol/ or reddit's political board?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 17:59:17 2017 No.10070510 >>10070479 It's kind of sad that advocating free speech in 2017 makes you some kind of reactionary.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 18:00:17 2017 No.10070516 >>10070499 but anon, /pol/ is reddit's political board

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 18:03:23 2017 No.10070522 >>10070516 are you the dinesh d'souza of 4chan?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 18:08:38 2017 No.10070539 >>10070499 >thinks /pol/ is bad Gas yourself kikeboy

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 18:09:50 2017 No.10070545 File: 48 KB, 720x576, slithered.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10069798 What intelligence referencing The Simpsons with no commentary on the actual thread

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 18:10:19 2017 No.10070547 >>10070465 I dare you to actually form an legitimate argument against any of this short of mindless contrarianism with nothing to support it

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 18:10:52 2017 No.10070550 File: 4 KB, 418x80, the intellectual.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10070545 Forgot the image

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 18:15:53 2017 No.10070565 >pop culture is bad >come to 4chan What did /lit/ mean by this?

Anonymous Mon Sep 25 18:25:17 2017 No.10070601

>>10069443
>Anyone agree or disagree?

There's something about this hollow begging for attention that curdles the breath in my lungs and makes the world taste wrong. At least here people will bait, highlight the pathetic need in a facetious way by going "pls respond", or most often by simply making something interesting enough to be worth responding to.

Anonymity is a gift.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 18:32:15 2017 No.10070618 What's going on with that hobbit thread?

Anonymous Mon Sep 25 18:32:58 2017 No.10070621

Give examples of reddit opinions without visiting reddit to find them.

>dude lolita is such a beautiful book but like, the protagonist is so disgusting I didn't know if I could continue reading through it. I don't know if I could recommend it honestly

>Can confirm. Stephen King is fucking epic and its a travesty that the recent movie didn't capture the cool post apocalypse western majesty that was the Dark Tower. At least IT was the horror mo

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 18:36:11 2017 No.10070633 >>10070621 >Despite the racism, Lovecraft is a great writer

Anonymous Mon Sep 25 18:38:35 2017 No.10070643

>>10070621
>I'm trying to get my boyfriend to read more books but he's having trouble making it through American Gods. Should I have him read something easier like the Star Wars prequel novels or would that give him a bad impression of the book world? Please help!

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 18:40:59 2017 No.10070656 File: 1.62 MB, 320x240, 1394155200111.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10070621 >Are there any other authors like Dawkins?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 18:48:22 2017 No.10070679 >>10070643 This is a good one. Thanks friend.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 18:55:28 2017 No.10070697 >>10070621 >How the FUCK hasn't haruki murakami won the noble prize yet?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 18:59:53 2017 No.10070706 >>10070545 Nowhere's perfect.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 19:03:11 2017 No.10070714 >>10070499 At least on reddit you get more than one opinion

Anonymous Mon Sep 25 19:08:49 2017 No.10070742

>Not just that. OP stated HP is a "solid children's story", but that's misleading. It doesn't paint the whole picture. HP started that way, indeed, but it deviated and got more serious. I am re-reading the saga and the different between the first book and third one is notorious. And I am not even talking about the other books, in which things got more serious, with Voldemort getting stronger and its many allies, and some adjacent villains, like Umbridge Dolores, who Stephen King considered her one of the worst villains of all times, comparing her to Hannibal Lecter.

What the fuck

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 19:09:00 2017 No.10070744 >>10070714 Are you being serious, anon? At least your post will be seen on 4chan, even if people tell you you're opinion a shit.

Anonymous Mon Sep 25 19:15:43 2017 No.10070768

>>10070343
This desu

I have an IQ of over 140 and work a very taxing, intellectual job. When I come home I don't really feel like taking the ol' noodle box for yet another ride: I want to chill with a simple story or play videogames or see what's up on r/funny. You gotta relax sometimes, you know? Even geniuses eventually run out of brain fuel

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 19:16:03 2017 No.10070769 >>10070621 >Cormac McCarthy feels like he has something to say, but come on, does he have to try so hard to sound smart? We get it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 19:16:19 2017 No.10070770 >>10070479 I do wonder if the ability to silence unwanted voices online leads to people wanting to in real life.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 19:21:01 2017 No.10070784 >>10070744 Yeah 4chan's format is a lot better. I am just saying that /pol/ is a lot more one sided than reddit.

Anonymous Mon Sep 25 19:36:59 2017 No.10070838

>>10070784

I don't mind Reddit but it's a major time-sink compared to 4chan. Here you're instantly reminded not to take things too seriously. There you can easily end up in a long-winded debate and realise you're wasting your life by achieving literally fucking nothing by the end of it.

I prefer proper forums. They have a genuine social essence to them.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 20:48:49 2017 No.10071036 >>10069531 Yeah but you have to deal with retards who read Zadie Smith and Junot Diaz and don't realize why they should be ashamed of themselves

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 20:54:38 2017 No.10071063 >>10069547 I suspect they're actually the average person who got caught up in reading purely accidentally.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 20:59:31 2017 No.10071073 >>10070510 Progressives became so progressive they left freedom and free speech in the dust and now such things are conservative, not liberal, values.

Anonymous Mon Sep 25 21:46:02 2017 No.10071218
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>>10070547
> atheist

There’s any number of proofs of god, Aquinas had a bunch, but I’ll quote the Catholic Catechism(book there they define their beliefs):
> Created in God's image and called to know and love him, the person who seeks God discovers certain ways of coming to know him. These are also called proofs for the existence of God, not in the sense of proofs in the natural sciences, but rather in the sense of "converging and convincing arguments", which allow us to attain certainty about the truth. These "ways" of approaching God from creation have a twofold point of departure: the physical world, and the human person.
> The human person: with his openness to truth and beauty, his sense of moral goodness, his freedom and the voice of his conscience, with his longings for the infinite and for happiness, man questions himself about God's existence. In all this he discerns signs of his spiritual soul. The soul, the "seed of eternity we bear in ourselves, irreducible to the merely material",9 can have its origin only in God.
> The world, and man, attest that they contain within themselves neither their first principle nor their final end, but rather that they participate in Being itself, which alone is without origin or end. Thus, in different ways, man can come to know that there exists a reality which is the first cause and final end of all things, a reality "that everyone calls God".
> Man's faculties make him capable of coming to a knowledge of the existence of a personal God. But for man to be able to enter into real intimacy with him, God willed both to reveal himself to man and to give him the grace of being able to welcome this revelation in faith. The proofs of God's existence, however, can predispose one to faith and help one to see that faith is not opposed to reason.

tl;dr for ledditors, man can understand the nature of god, but this understanding must be internal and cannot be properly expressed.
http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p1s1c1.htm

> belief in science

https://philpapers.org/rec/MIZWSB
Even Hacker News understood this paper.

> transgender rights

Dysphoria is a mental issue, and transitioning is not an effective treatment(hence the suicide rates). You don’t give people with god complexes unlimited power.

> medical marijuana

In cases where the FDA found it effective, it was approved. It shouldn’t be normalised for recreational use tho, we still haven’t eradicated tobacco.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 22:00:47 2017 No.10071276 >>10070510 Anon, for the last time, getting fired for screaming nigger at people in your checkout line is not a freedom of speech issue.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 22:04:38 2017 No.10071285 >>10070714 [removed] [removed] [removed] [removed] [removed] [removed]

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 22:04:40 2017 No.10071286 >>10070768 >very taxing, intellectual job ar-are you an intellectual?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 22:22:53 2017 No.10071351 >>10071218 Your "proof of god" isn't a proof.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 22:25:46 2017 No.10071365 >>10069831 Another temporary triumph soon to be washed away, just like real life.

Anonymous Mon Sep 25 22:29:56 2017 No.10071390
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>>10071351
It’s an explanation of the nature of a true proof, in that it needs to be internal. Read Aquinas. (Or just go to http://web.mnstate.edu/gracyk/courses/web%20publishing/aquinasfiveways_argumentanalysis.htm).). I will not argue for these proofs, but that is the easiest set of brainlet-understandable proofs.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 22:36:33 2017 No.10071410 File: 27 KB, 948x711, a.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10071390 >Read Aquinas >I don't actually have any proof, go read some philosophical religious shit. into the trash it goes as always

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 22:49:57 2017 No.10071458 >>10069948 >another to believe they are "illnesses" and not simply individuals with their own rational relationship to reality http://ocd.stanford.edu/about/understanding.html http://www.anxietycare.org.uk/docs/ocdcauses.asp

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 22:58:20 2017 No.10071473 File: 164 KB, 500x492, image.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10071410 I linked a brainlet ready explanation of his five proofs. Please go back.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 22:59:18 2017 No.10071478 File: 137 KB, 764x604, rwriting.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] my favorite reddit moment

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 23:01:09 2017 No.10071485 >>10069751 >emotion is bad waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah Repressed child.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 23:01:54 2017 No.10071490 >>10069858 Dostoievski and Tolstoi are both basic, mate.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 23:03:49 2017 No.10071497 >>10069547 Reading fiction doesn't make you intelligent.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 23:04:09 2017 No.10071498 >>10069443 Imagine how pathetic they would look if they had 4chan screen cap threads?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 23:05:53 2017 No.10071503 >>10071498 Why imagine when you can go to r/4chan and see

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 23:33:30 2017 No.10071595 >>10071410 >Ask a philosophical question >Get a philosophical answer WHY WON'T ANYONE JUST GIVE ME PROOF?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 23:47:46 2017 No.10071638 >>10070499 they're equally shit

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 23:51:31 2017 No.10071645 >>10071503 jesus, i didn't think the posts they find funny to be THAT shit

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 26 00:04:32 2017 No.10071687 >>10070643 Best one

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 26 00:07:14 2017 No.10071693 >>10071218 >mfw incapable of faith because rationally convinced of God's existence and burn in hellfire forever >mfw don't need a face where I'm going Oh wait, you forgot to read Kant.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 26 00:08:47 2017 No.10071700 >>10069534 You begin with medieval literature

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 26 00:33:51 2017 No.10071751 >>10070367 >tfw no gf

Anonymous Tue Sep 26 01:10:13 2017 No.10071867

>>10069889
Not really, they're just broad encapsulations of random sets of symptoms, not a distinct illness or an understanding of anything really. It's all extremely over-simplified and haphazard, the field itself and the education it contains is also far too hand-wavy and political, and the 'scientific' aspect is more of a messy pretense than anything else. It's time for psychology to just stop and let neuroscience continue making all the advances in regards to the mind, or rather, the nervous system because "mind" itself is some vague abstraction with even vaguer connotations. As opposed to the obvious physical and defined system that the nervous system is.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 26 01:14:19 2017 No.10071875 >>10071218 >https://philpapers.org/rec/MIZWSB >Even Hacker News understood this paper yeah why's it written all bad and shit??

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 26 01:28:12 2017 No.10071922 How did you find us if not Rddit? How did you not know how bad Rddit is? How new are you?

Anonymous Tue Sep 26 01:39:22 2017 No.10071951

>>10069534
YA doesnt exist, or its everyone from 12-25 approx. The people in the upper end will cry but its true, we take on the start of adult life around 12 and we dont get to actually being one until late 20s when the last trappings of teenage that will be dropped are lost. so a 20 year old cannot and does not read books like someone in their 30s, its a different experience. Read what you like mate and dont worry, most of the kids here seek out the books that they think will make others be impressed not what they would enjoy the most in a vain hope of being more grown up. it doesnt happen like that though.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 26 01:54:18 2017 No.10071998 >>10071875 not an argument

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 26 02:04:52 2017 No.10072035 >>10070742 S A G A A G A

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 26 02:09:29 2017 No.10072053 >>10071410 This kind of "proof" reasoning always gets to me Do you also not believe in consciousness since there's no proof of it existing?

Anonymous Tue Sep 26 02:18:14 2017 No.10072075

>>10069738
>Try NK Jemisin' novels. She's won the past two Hugo awards for best novel (first non-white and non-male to do so). She writes fantasy about women of color and did an interview on 1A a couple weeks ago
And that's make her writing impressive, how?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 26 02:52:44 2017 No.10072159 >>10070784 Bullshit. /pol/ has arguments and discussions and debates in every single thread.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 26 03:54:25 2017 No.10072273 >>10069975 If you put everything on a spectrum, then sure. retard

Anonymous Tue Sep 26 04:06:24 2017 No.10072297
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What's hilarious about that thread is the fact that so many people think that what OP means by 'graduating' from YA is graduating into contemporary adult fiction hahahaha
These people genuinely genuinely do not realise anything other than airport fiction exists

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 26 04:06:33 2017 No.10072298 >>10072159 lol

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 26 04:17:21 2017 No.10072330 >>10071478 the truth is this guy is more likely to ever be published than any of us sad fucks

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 26 04:21:27 2017 No.10072336 >>10071478 Wtf I thought that was a john green quote

Anonymous Tue Sep 26 04:21:42 2017 No.10072337

Get a summer job at a Library and you'll quickly realize that reading is just another form of entertainment. Culture has romanticized reading as being this erudite pass time, but the reality of it is that people like to read for fun, not like they are perpetually trapped in a literature course.
Really, there's no difference between someone who binges your trashy YA fad series of the monthly and someone who binges James Patterson. Just because on of them is targeted at adults doesn't make it any more "challenging."

Anonymous Tue Sep 26 04:24:59 2017 No.10072342

Not just that. OP stated HP is a "solid children's story", but that's misleading. It doesn't paint the whole picture. HP started that way, indeed, but it deviated and got more serious. I am re-reading the saga and the different between the first book and third one is notorious. And I am not even talking about the other books, in which things got more serious, with Voldemort getting stronger and its many allies, and some adjacent villains, like Umbridge Dolores, who Stephen King considered her one of the worst villains of all times, comparing her to Hannibal Lecter. He also makes some points about the books:
>By the time we finish The Order of the Phoenix, with its extraordinary passages of fear and despair, the distinction between “children’s literature” and plain old “literature” has ceased to exist.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 26 05:02:31 2017 No.10072408 >>10072298 How can people argue if they are one sided and think the same? Do not be a retard.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 26 05:04:13 2017 No.10072412 >>10072408 Easy, baiting for replies 99% of threads there start with an article to do with sjws or rape stats, people will post memes and others will bait for responses Since most the board is composed of newfags they always feed (You)s

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 26 05:10:39 2017 No.10072428 File: 358 KB, 652x2444, Screenshot-2017-9-26 Politics • r politics.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10070784

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 26 05:16:06 2017 No.10072440 File: 9 KB, 363x244, stawman.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10071276

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 26 05:17:11 2017 No.10072446 >>10072428 If I was a Jew I'd feel bad about this Like goyim it was never meant to be this easy

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 26 05:20:08 2017 No.10072453 >>10069591 >>Harry Potter is the best book ever written >>literally top post on Reddit right now says "Harry Potter is a solid children series" How fucking wrong can you be kiddo?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 26 05:20:58 2017 No.10072457 File: 87 KB, 592x592, 1505779570112.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >a thread about making fun of reddit plebs brought all the reddit plebs out of the woodwork What happened to this place?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 26 05:21:37 2017 No.10072458 >>10069534 Just read historical fiction.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 26 05:23:12 2017 No.10072460 >>10072428 Jesus christ.

Anonymous Tue Sep 26 05:31:17 2017 No.10072478

>>10072457
Who would any such person besmirch Homer, the one from the animated sitcom series The Simpsons, by that I mean not the famous-on-this-site Greek author who had a similar first name? He's a good guy, a great fatherly man; not a smoker or a gun-waver-arounder. Yet in this very image you present us he's being depicted as such. An act like this can only be described as reprehensible, maybe not as much as 9/11 have you, but still, it must be said: "this is reprehensible," says I. Perhaps one ought to not carry along any behavior of similarly reprehension any longer, and the person ought to come forward and face any consequence of his or her action as is his or her duty to.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 26 05:35:31 2017 No.10072490 File: 689 KB, 929x6497, lol.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10070784

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 26 05:37:13 2017 No.10072495 >>10071751 >gf Anon... Must I type those dreadful words? >She

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 26 05:40:49 2017 No.10072502 >>10072490 >60 million idiots Wow.

Anonymous Tue Sep 26 05:43:22 2017 No.10072507
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>>10072490

I think a lot of the anger stems from the fact that they thought they were going to win, and were eagerly looking forward to all the snarky fun they were going to have at Trump's expense. So when they lost they felt cheated or personally wronged somehow. I honestly have never seen such literal hysterics after an election, but maybe this is more normal in America?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 26 05:50:07 2017 No.10072520 >>10072507 You'll see the same type of pictures posted when their favorite singer doesn't win American Idol.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 26 05:52:43 2017 No.10072527 >>10072507 It was HER turn!

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 26 06:04:50 2017 No.10072552 >>10070742 >yeah, the first one was pretty childish, when they tried to find the philosopher's stone. the third one got really dark though, when they used time-travel to fight werewolves

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 26 06:06:07 2017 No.10072556 >>10072520 There's something terribly sad and banal about that.

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