The state of /lit/: permitted meta thread

[Anonymous No.10057951]

How do we create nodes of quality seriousposting amidst the nonstop shitty low-effort joke threads?

I don't mind shitposting but nearly every thread is now a dumb gay little reference to the Wikipedia summary of a book or author. It isn't even funny shitposting.

[Anonymous No.10057966]

run naked through the forest and see if the wood nymphs snatch you and then try to supplicate them for the answer, possibly in return for use of your asshole.
always works for me, waterhouseposter

[Anonymous No.10058003]

make a thread on an actual book that proles wont have some immediate politicized take on

[Anonymous No.10058018]

i'd be more likely to do quality seriousposting if i thought the thread wouldn't be randomly deleted by the mods and replaced with a peterson advertisement or dfw face dump, you only have to get burned a few times by writing a 10 minute reply, hit post and get "404 specified thread does not exist" before you never invest more than 30 seconds in a reply again

[Anonymous No.10058019]

Can we end the misogyny already. For a board who complains about /pol/ so much you guys are just as worse.

[Anonymous No.10058025]

>>10058018
holy fuck this

[Anonymous No.10058028]

>>10057951
My diary desu

[Anonymous No.10058031]

>>10058018
Do us a favour and stop posting entirely.

[Anonymous No.10058033]

>>10058019
it's misanthropy and people were a mistake.

[Anonymous No.10058038]

>>10058033
Nope, its quite clearly aimed at women.

[Anonymous No.10058039]

i don't know

[Anonymous No.10058040]

Bugs...

In all serious though I feel like i'm the only one here who makes good seriousposts, probably because I'm better than all of you. But that's ok because this is 4chan, which is foremost an internet humor site .

[Anonymous No.10058043]

>>10058038
Quiet, hole.

[Anonymous No.10058049]

>>10058038
If you're only aiming it at women then you're doing it wrong. Or are you only aiming your sympathy at women and their existence? Stop calling only women failed abortions, and look at your godawful life, man. You need to realize the centaur was right and things would be better if momma never met poppa.

[Anonymous No.10058053]

>>10058040
>which is foremost an internet humor site .
It's not, please go back to redd*t.

[Anonymous No.10058108]

Stricter moderation.

[Anonymous No.10058154]

Permaban everyone on /pol/ at this very moment. Doesn't matter what's actually going on right now on /pol/, hit them all with the banhammer. Instant upgrade.

[Anonymous No.10058166]

rangeban america, canada, UK. monolinguals out, no more /pol/ thinking anyone cares about their problems.

[Anonymous No.10058174]

>Stop responding to obvious /pol/ bait threads.
>Don't talk about books you haven't read as if you've read them
>keep it /lit/. I don't wanna hear your shitty complaints about millennial and feminism.
It's easy desu

[Anonymous No.10058185]

>>10058053
Bitch I could post a billion examples of internet humor derived from this site. Every single board is 75% humorous shitposting or attempts at it.

If you take 4chan seriously you're extremely out of touch and probably somewhere on the spectrum.

[Anonymous No.10058192]

>>10058018
what the fuck do you post on that this happens
never happened to me
>>10058019
eat shit; stop lurking in shit threads

JUST USE THE FUCKING CATALOG

[Anonymous No.10058196]

>>10058185
>here let me post my r/4chan screenshots
Please don't. And since your new: not every board is /b/ or /tv/. Nobody claims funny posts are bad but just forcing offtopic joke threads to have an EPIC screenshot for upvotes is destructive and annoying.

>If you take 4chan seriously you're extremely out of touch
Then stay on the random boards. Some boards ARE for people who take interest in these things and tend to produce high quality content for what it's worth.

[Anonymous No.10058210]

>>10058166
This. At least allow flags so we can filter them

[Anonymous No.10058219]

/lit/ is terminal.

use it /r/literature. its actually on topic and moderated to stay on topic. only problem is its slow moving.

we could fix that

inb4 moaning about leddit.....its better than here. 420chan has a better /literature board than 4chan for fucks sake.

[Anonymous No.10058223]

>>10058210
>/lit/ turns out to be just brazil, finland, one guy in china (probably you know who), and greeks.
no, let's just range ban the anglophones

[Anonymous No.10058258]

>>10058219
Then why not stay there? This would also fix the slow rate if you posted more on there.
Why the fuck do redditors do this "it's actually better there" and then proceed to drag this website into the shitter?
Reddit the redditors. I for one prefer a place with as little reddit as possible.

[Anonymous No.10058269]

>>10058196
define high quality content

[Anonymous No.10058275]

>>10058269
The /fit/ sticky for example.

[Anonymous No.10058291]

>>10057951
/lit/'s biggest problem is it's seeming nonexistent moderation. Do we have no jannies?

[Anonymous No.10058311]

>>10058003
You really think that would prevent them from expressing their stupidity? They stir up shit even where there is none. And that's all of 4chan.

>>10058018
>mods

This is a good place to start. Do moderators even care about the quality of this board? Consider that before posing your questions, OP. Because it can be an impressive thing indeed if the whole of /lit/ can suddenly finish the reading list and come together to discuss the finer points of literature, BUT this is much much harder if you have a "valve" controlling the "flow" of the "tap"

[Anonymous No.10058312]

>>10058275
not a definition, broken youtube links, different links within sticky contradict each other, complete disregard for calisthenics

[Anonymous No.10058315]

>>10057951
There's one or two autists who keep posting Jewish conspiracy threads, or threads that conveniently set up someone else to respond with "I recommend Culture of Critique!!!"
It doesn't bother me when it pops up now and then but the painfully obvious samefagging and attempts to influence the board with the same shit again and again are getting very irritating and details threads often.

[Anonymous No.10058319]

>>10058315
*derails

[Anonymous No.10058330]

>>10057951
The mods have ruined everything by deleting good threads about Cleveland or Writing Advice and allowing the /pol/lest /pol/ trash.

[Anonymous No.10058332]

I'd like to find out if there was a place to go to find out the MEGA sites that have epubs and pdfs of books we can download. Looking for some good sci fi books like Dune

[Anonymous No.10058338]

>>10058330
try the redpill, idiot. It's more important to talk about jews, blacks, and women than gay leftist literature

[Anonymous No.10058347]

>>10058312
>not a definition
See this is why you should stay on the epic screenshot boards.
>define high quality content
Content of high quality. It is undoubtably clear from context that I meant content about the respective boards subject that gives great insight into the subject.
And from the beginning I said this can also mean humorous light-hearted threads.
But this "haha lol this is the epic 4chan with all those crazy screenshots i saw" is completely wrong and it's people like you that drive the quality of the boards down

There are more than enough boards for random posting. Going to the literature board and then say "if you want to discuss literature don't come to 4chan" should be bannable.

[Anonymous No.10058349]

>>10058338
Your parents made a horrible mistake in not mashing you up with a coat hanger when you were just a little fetus.

[Anonymous No.10058352]

>>10058330
>Prude-ass janny deletes and spoilers provocatively dressed women and peaches
>Does not give a fuck about totally non literature related politics threads

Moot should have just closed this site.

[Anonymous No.10058354]

>>10058338
>/lit/ is for the discussion of literature. If you want to discuss politics, go to /pol/.

[Anonymous No.10058381]

>>10058354
Fuckin finally

[Anonymous No.10058392]

>>10058154
this

[Anonymous No.10058395]

>>10058347
/lit/ is a board for people that want to seem smart
and that is why it is shit. Opinions are cheap, the laziest kind of OC outside of parroted opinions.

[Anonymous No.10058403]

>>10058352
>Moot should have just closed this site.

naw! it acts as a containment site so that other parts of the internet don't turn to shit.
Can you imagine how bad reddit would be if 4chan got shut down?

[Anonymous No.10058404]

>>10058395
Then leave. It's not like you'll be missed. You can have all your epin funposts on the random boards, and all the literature discussion on better places than 4chan. It sounds like the perfect solution for you.

[Anonymous No.10058450]

>>10058404
No I'm going to keep shitting up this board because it pisses off pretentious pseudo-intellectuals like you. BTW, you fucks keep suggesting literature every time video games or anime is brought up as a 'mature and enlightened' alternative. I crap on your quality and smear it all over you and your high horse

[Anonymous No.10058475]

The only thing you can really do is continue to read and educate yourself while contributing only quality posts and responses to the sincere and never greentexting or engaging in /lit/ humor.

[Anonymous No.10058476]

>>10058312
What point are you ultimately trying to make

[Anonymous No.10058484]

>>10058352
Seriously, what the fuck is with the jannies and lewdness?

It's literally the only thing I've seen them delete. I've gotten warned for posting a cute girl in a swimsuit yet there's still totally off-topic threads and low-effort shitposts all over the place.

Does /lit/ have Shariah law or something?

[Anonymous No.10058497]

>>10058040
As this is a meta thread, what's the bugs meme?

[Anonymous No.10058505]

>>10058174
This

[Anonymous No.10058506]

>>10058497
There's no explanation. One time someone posted a thread with fat bugs in the OP, someone said the meme, everyone laughed for no good reason.

[Anonymous No.10058508]

>>10058476
I heard old Greek people would nitpick on each other all the time for fun and I thought I should give it a try. I also like being concise.

[Anonymous No.10058556]

>>10058330
Two threads that were kinda humorous last night were deleted.
-My thread where I and other anons were re-purposing Bukowski lines to convert them to the bugs meme.
-A >Stoner >doesn't smoke weed thread
Meanwhile we have /pol/ bait and a thread where people are arguing about whether it's worse to be an ugly man or an ugly woman. The mods have deemed that these threads are more lit related than the two I mentioned.

[Anonymous No.10058622]

remove the christian forum sliders
there's literally an entire board for the discussion of religion, and they spam /lit/ with the exact same "what bible should I get" threads. Not to mention the two separate """christian literature""" generals

[Anonymous No.10058630]

>>10058395
>Opinions are cheap, the laziest kind of OC outside of parroted opinions.
I would fucking love it if people came here and regurgitated opinions of people they;ve read and standard summaries of texts written in their own words. That would be fucking great actually.

[Anonymous No.10058631]

>>10058484
>Seriously, what the fuck is with the jannies and lewdness?

moot used to say that the only thing that shouldn't be on blue boards is pussy and dick.

I post a gif of a woman eating a bnana and get b&.

what sort of fucktard wants to be a janitor anyway?

haven't seen d&e, fabulous etc for a long while....do you think they became janitors?

[Anonymous No.10058652]

>>10058019
Misogyny is /lit/
A troubled man with any depth will almost always have spite toward women. Having to see such beauty everyday and knowing they will never love or even associate with you. Gorgeous young girls don't care how poetically you can express you appreciation for them, and will even look down on you for it. It's hard not be resentful when faced with this

[Anonymous No.10058660]

>>10058174
This is the first step. Until we get major issues fixed like moderation, just follow this

[Anonymous No.10058685]

>>10058652
>>>/r9k/

[Anonymous No.10058688]

>>10058652
Or be gay like Auden

[Anonymous No.10058691]

>>10058660
Serious question, how do we fix moderation?

[Anonymous No.10058702]

>>10058475
This. The sorry state of /lit/ is due to the userbase above all, which isn't going to change any time soon, so simply adjust your standards, read a lot, contribute a little, and be the change you wish to see in the board. Don't stress over things outside of your reach.

[Anonymous No.10058716]

General threads should be unconditionally banned. No Christian generals, no classical conservatism generals, no SFFG, no writing critique generals, no generals whatsoever. Generals are a tumor on any board they appear on, growing from a benign cyst to a terminally cancerous fifth-limb.

If your thread is not about a specific piece of literature or author it should not be allowed.

[Anonymous No.10058722]

>>10058652
Because I've made peace with my role in life. I am not a participant, I am a spectator. It is my job to be on the outside looking in, but never touching.

[Anonymous No.10058740]

>>10058716
>no SFFG
No these are needed. There has to be genre fiction containment

[Anonymous No.10058748]

>>10058716
I've never found this desu. Most generals seem to tidy the boards up.

[Anonymous No.10058755]

>>10058740
If you allow one you leave yourself open to the question of where is the limit. If /sffg/ is allowed then are threads for other genres allowed? If genre specific generals are allowed does this also extend to non-fiction? Could there be a general for a specific philosophy, historical interest or religion? Then soon enough political ideology generals rear their ugly head.

Allowing any generals requires placing a lot of trust in the jannies, better to have none at the cost of having more genre fiction threads.

[Anonymous No.10058756]

>>10058506
>>10058497
It's basically /lit/ trying to into /b/ or /tv/ humour, where we pretend to be retarded and make inane comments like seeing a picture of fat bugs and saying he should "go easy on the carrots" even tho it's off-topic and meaningless. Not that it's a majorly bad thing cuz I think the memes on those boards are fun and a good time but I'd prefer if we cultivated our own style of meme

[Anonymous No.10058760]

>>10058716
Terrible suggestion desu. Generals are the shit

[Anonymous No.10058767]

>>10058748
I find generals inevitably over the years will degenerate into /b/-tier enclaves where the stated topic is more of a suggestion than anything and attract low-quality posters to the board.

Kinda like inner city ghettos but for image-boards.

[Anonymous No.10058815]

>>10058716
>growing from a benign cyst to a terminally cancerous fifth-limb
>fifth-limb
Listen to this fucking woman try to femsplain compartmentalization to men. Check your privilege you dirty, fishy scrum.

[Anonymous No.10058818]

>>10058755
This. Genre fiction threads may be a necessary evil if we can get jannies to handle generals

[Anonymous No.10058823]

>>10057951
Not an 'oldfag' by any means but compared to the board population today it seems like I am, as someone who was here 4-3 years ago and left.
The board is beyond repair. It was killed by a double-whammy of Hiro creating /his/ and Hypersphere blowing up on reddit

[Anonymous No.10058847]

Two biggest issues on /lit/:

>Userbase
Currently comprised mostly of /pol/, /r9k/, people who don't read at all and just come to make bait threads, and in general just low quality posters. The only way to fix this is to just not be like this. Be the change you want to see in the board, don't respond to bait threads, read and then create thoughtful threads, and try not to get discouraged. This is 4chan after all, this place will always be shitty, you will never be able to rid the board of /pol/ and shitposting unless moderation improves, so just raise your own standards and post better content. This brings us to

>Moderation
Practically no jannies and shit mods. As members of lit we can't change much about this. There are ways to of course, but for the most part the best current solution is just improve the quality of posts on the board as stated above

[Anonymous No.10058867]

This board fucking sucks now

>hurr there's a book in this gif...its /lit/ related

[Anonymous No.10058873]

I'm convinced Hiro is getting paid by the republican party to actively foster a right-wing environment on the site. This is basically what he did with 2ch as well.

It seems far too convenient that off-topic rules do not apply for /pol/, every board is welcome for political discussion that is barely related to the topic.

[Anonymous No.10058896]

>>10058873
I get b& from /pol/ all the time if I utter anything vaguely anti-american or anything that counters the /pol/ group-think trends.

wouldn't cost much to buy off hiro and a few mods

[Anonymous No.10058965]

Practically speaking /lit/'s problem comes from the inherent nature of general, non book specific threads. If you want to discus a book it requires a prerequisite: Having actually read the book. In this sense, book specific threads are bound to get only a small portion of the general users discussing it. Furthermore, people who are able to discuss it are generally people who actually read as a hobby, a small percentage of people. Now take the general, non book specific discussion; There are less prerequisites required to discuss it. This is why you see Jordan Peterson threads (which have nothing to do with literature) getting 200+ replies while actual book discussions barely peaking 50—The only thing you need to do to discuss Jordan Peterson is watch a 20 minute video. This in turn creates a snowball effect, where new people come to the board, see that it's filled with general, non book related discussions, and jump in straight away with their inane opinions. There is no reason to have, as there is right now in the catalog, a thread titled "How to become impulsive and blindly passionate? I need my animal side to arise because I'm falling into a void of apathy and passiveness" as it has nothing to do with literature, a book, a work of philosophy, or anything like that. Another problem comes in the form of generalized philosophy discussions, as it has the same effect of allowing low-investment posters to self-perpetuate their existence on the board without having to read anything. If the sticky was actually adhered to—that philosophy discussion has to be about a specific book—then this wouldn't be a problem.
Then you have the "ideological battleground" posters who think the entire internet is a grand-strategy game of turning one website/board "left-leaning" or "right-leaning" by engaging in pathetic bait threads, ironically acting like a caricature of their ideological enemy, and generally shitting up the board. It baffles me that someone would spend their time posting variations on the theme of "culture of critique" in every thread, pretending to be a retarded /pol/ user, attempting to turn people against /pol/. The same goes for /pol/ fuckers posting Marxism bait threads. We don't want to discuss politics.
As long as moderation remains so passive, anyone who wants to actually discuss literature is fighting an uphill battle against a horde of low-investment posters. There isn't much you can do to stop that.

[Anonymous No.10058975]

>>10058716
Nah, generals are good because they are easier to filter.

[Anonymous No.10058995]

The board is fine and it's a positive thing to have moderators who don't rule with a heavy hand and allow a free-range of discussion. That is what distinguishes this place from reddit, lest we forget. What the same handful of people are complaining about is the increase in users who are aware of and speak openly about the jewish question in related threads dealing with postmodernism, Marxism, and a few other topics. But that comes up because it's impossible to separate those topics from the heavy jewish involvement in their origins and cultural perpetuation, and only bothers a small subset that seems larger than it really is because they are more prone to whine and complain loudly: jews and numale-type kids whose postmodern identities are tethered to the contemporary leftist zeitgeist. The issue, however, ultimately lies within these people and results from their inability to grasp or confront reality; the facts are the facts, the information is in, these people just don't want to accept it for whatever reason.

Other than that gorilla in the room, there is usually good advice given and often decent discussion about important books in the western canon, so I don't really see a big problem other than that which revolves around the posters mentioned above, who are far more of an issue, as they often scream at the top of their lungs and cause disruptions when those wiser and better-read than themselves present information that challenges the mainstream narrative embedded within them. But again, such antics and childish behavior stem from a small cohort. This is a board dedicated to the discussion of white culture. It's very natural that those who are the most educated on and passionate about it have a strong sense of who they are and a desire to protect it from those whom it doesn't belong to, or who mistakenly believe this bred-in-the-bone aspect can or should be left out or not spoken of. If you want to live in that type of fantasy realm, you don't belong here, you belong over at reddit; and you are doing a disservice to others and demeaning the spread of knowledge itself when you try to stifle discussion and promote censorship policies that would only cause this place to resemble reddit. We only need one reddit. More moderation is not the answer and I'd like to see more shaming on here when posters advocate for more moderation, which of course implies more moderation of the viewpoints in opposition to their own.

[Anonymous No.10058996]

>>10058965
>As long as moderation remains so passive, anyone who wants to actually discuss literature is fighting an uphill battle against a horde of low-investment posters.


I always knew it was fundamentally the mods fault.

[Anonymous No.10059011]

>>10058995
>there is usually good advice given and often decent discussion about important books in the western canon


you can't be this new. either that or you're an easily impressed brainlet.

[Anonymous No.10059016]

>>10058995
>The board is fine
Dropped.

[Anonymous No.10059021]

>>10058873
>I'm convinced Hiro is getting paid by the republican party to actively foster a right-wing environment on the site.

i think you're onto something, 4chan traffic was declining when moot sold it, then suddenly it's the meeting place for every redpill rightwing jackass on the internet and traffic is back up because it gets into the mainstream media like nytimes and wsj every other day when they do stories on trump and the alt-right etc.

[Anonymous No.10059025]

to be honest, the latest /pol/ type meme threads have been such good bait, i think we have to consider it's the opening hook for our novel we've been looking for.
we might cause a werther effect type classic sensation.

[Anonymous No.10059067]

It's literally solely because of the mod

>you now manually remember the previous mod who for a period of about 3 months removed all bait threads, all politics threads, all threads about youtube videos, all 'look here's something someone said on [social media platform] that I disagree with and is barely related to literature'-threads, all atheism/religion threads, all 'why can't women/blacks write' threads, etc.,
Whatever happened to you, lad? It must have been a full time preoccupation dealing with all the shitposters, but you did well, and for a brief period people were actually discussing literature and not muh liberals vs conservatives shit

[Anonymous No.10059073]

>>10057951
This board has always stunk.

[Anonymous No.10059086]

>>10059073
Maybe, but there was a time when /lit/ actually chiefly talked about books.

I feel like 4chan has always been on a bizarre trajectory where it is always shit, but it is always getting worse. It is impressive in a way, every year it surpasses itself and sets a new standard for shittiness.

[Anonymous No.10059107]

>>10059086
4chan used to be populated by socially awkward teens. A small percentage of them got their shit together and probably left this site for good. The rest stayed here and grew increasingly bitter and hateful

[Anonymous No.10059109]

>>10059073
one time we had a massive thread where we wrote poems about birds and it got onto the "popular thread" section of 4chans home page. it was quite the achievement and we were all very excited

[Anonymous No.10059113]

>>10058755
>Could there be a general for a specific philosophy, historical interest or religion?
That is not a lit problem >>>/his/

[Anonymous No.10059118]

>>10059107
>grew increasingly bitter and hateful

im in my early30's now and I'm pretty sure I've mellowed out since back then

[Anonymous No.10059209]

>>10058965
there is plenty of moderation, they delete threads all the time, you just don't feel it because the threads are just gone, it only seems unmoderated because redpill shit is left up, the mods clearly have a political agenda since moot sold it

[Anonymous No.10059215]

>>10059118
How many posts do you make a day berating women, jews, or blacks?

[Anonymous No.10059216]

>>10059086
The only reason I browse 4chan is simply because it's not reddit. If reddit wasn't filled with the kind of content it has how, I would be there and not here. If reddit wasn't known for having "le hunger games" as recommended literature or something like that then I would have never at started coming to 4chan. This has been why I've stayed for so long but recently I'm just not sure anymore. I'd hate to crawl back to /r/literature after all this fucking time but at least that place has some level of seriousness. It's just that its reddit. Whereas 4chan is the place where intelligent discussion goes to die, reddit is the place where intelligent discussion stays in denial and pretends to be serious before dying.

[Anonymous No.10059221]

I've browsed this board since 2010 and it's about the same as it always was. Maybe a little bit better because there is a certain degree of self-awareness and elitism that's expected of posters, unlike the earliest days when you had people making South Park references, trollface posts, and Douglas Adams threads

There are many leftists ITT who are resentful about being purged by their ideological equivalents from /pol/. Now that is different. Marxists used to be a lot more common here and much more comfortable sharing off-topic leftist viewpoints in attempts at on-topic threads, but they've since been pushed to leftypol and the backwaters of /his/. Some still hang around and poke their heads up occasionally, and they make their whiny voices heard in meta threads like these.

Anyways, they are doing their best to craft this narrative that the days of Brownbear and I'm a huge Orson Welles were some sort of Enlightenment-era French salon where people regularly discussed the complexities of Kant and didn't scoff at black literature. Then, the story goes, pol ruined everything and forced everybody to roll their eyes at Zora Neale Hurston and watch Jordan Peterson interviews with Joe Rogan.

This is just not true. Don't believe me? Check the archive.
>>/lit/thread/S426778
There has always been an undercurrent of racism and rightist thought on 4chan, it's just more explicit now

[Anonymous No.10059264]

>>10058995
You're correct that more moderation will turn this board to shit, but it's already shit, just in different way. Too much moderation is bad, yes, but in the current state of this board there isn't enough right now, and because of this, the board has declined

[Anonymous No.10059299]

>>10059221
>he doesn't remember when this board consisted solely of Marxists, Catholics, and the occasional Stirner faggot

Well-read Marxists, well-read conservatives, and annoying Stirner fags. Made for interesting threads. Now it's all ironic /pol/ posting and /pol/-tier discourse

[Anonymous No.10059305]

>>10059299
the daily "is postmodernism a jewish trick" threads really make the board suck more than anything that sucked before

[Anonymous No.10059309]

>>10057951

I don't get why people like you post on 4chan. If you want highly controlled discussion, why the fuck are you even on this website? There are lots of websites on the internet where the mods actively defeat threads if they don't meet the "standard of quality" of the board. 4chan's lax moderation and anonymity are a blessing that, clearly, not everyone can appreciate.

[Anonymous No.10059312]

>>10058767
/sffg/ is an extremely general general if you get my drift. It's not like a game general where eventually people just run out of stuff to talk about and start ERPing and whatnot. There's always new genre fiction coming out so there's always something new to talk about. I read both /sffg/ and regular /lit/ and over the past few weeks /sffg/ has unironically been far better than /lit/. People at least talk about published books in /sffg/. I doubt anyone who posts in Jordan Peterson/le not an argument man/Jewish conspiracy threads has ever read a book, and /lit/ has been flooded with them lately. Why do /pol/acks act exactly like the idea of the refugees they claim to hate?

[Anonymous No.10059328]

>>10058873
>>10059209
You guys do realize that people change their opinions when new information arises and that there is currently a massive shift in white consciousness occurring, right? 4chan is ground zero for the spread of that information, whites are waking up in droves, and I'm sure that has an effect on people who moderate image boards as well. What you're essentially admitting is that you fundamentally don't understand what is going on and that it's confusing you so it must be a conspiracy, when in reality you're riding the intellectual equivalent of a horse while everyone else has upgraded to a Model T.

[Anonymous No.10059332]

>>10058873
>>10059021

Or maybe its because 4chan is one of the few popular boards on the internet that doesnt ban you for talking about race. It's not that 4chan is particularly right wing, its that almost every other site is outrageously left wing and globalist.

[Anonymous No.10059352]

>>10059332
i have to admit 4chan has pulled a neat trick in being able to have racist content without getting blacklisted off the internet like dailystormer, etc. and i think part of it is that the marketing is all very subtle like having generic threads that will get tons of bumps have an unrelated product placement in the pic etc. so that organized boycotts against advertisers like they do against breitbart cant really work because no one knows for sure who is paying to have ads on 4chan and who is just paying social media interns to start ad threads without 4chans consent, they might lose some ad revenue in the short run doing it that way, but in the long term they sidestep any possible boycotts or blacklists, very ingenious, i wish 4chan was a public company so we could get their earnings reports etc. i love "outsider" companies like 4chan, worldstar, etc. that build up major web presence without any silicon valley techbro connections

[Anonymous No.10059357]

Race is too complex of a topic to discuss intelligently on the internet, let alone a shit posting site. Both sides have interesting points and concerns that convey poorly when the uneducated try to communicate them. It comes out as pure shit in either direction. And btw, discussing race is what is ruining lit... Been only three years and idk what some oldfags are talking about it hasnt always been like this.

[Anonymous No.10059363]

>>10059328
the ruling class knows whites are waking up, they know they fucked up when after the fall of the ussr they made "muslims" they "enemy other" because it woke up white/christian consciousness out of our "end of history" complacency, so now there is a scramble to bring back (white) russians as the global badguy again, but it's too late, whites now sense how precarious their position is in history right now, and we have a choice, and if our civilization falls this time there will be no renaissance coming in a 1000 years, its over

[Anonymous No.10059366]

americunts need to stop thinking they're interesting. it's the problem with the 20th century too.

[Anonymous No.10059370]

>>10059357
>Both sides have interesting points
If by 'both' you mean 'leftists', then you're wrong. They're fucking idiots who don't realize we're being genocided by inferiors

[Anonymous No.10059378]

>>10059357
The internet is literally the only place where race is discussed intelligently because we aren't allowed to discuss it openly and honestly in public.

[Anonymous No.10059380]

>>10059366
it's not our fault your ancestors didn't have the balls to emigrate to the new world

[Anonymous No.10059384]

>>10059380
please die of syphilis like god intended.

[Anonymous No.10059386]

>>10059366
Germany fucked everything up for everyone, never forget that

[Anonymous No.10059388]

>>10058556
those are both cancer threads
good shit mods

[Anonymous No.10059393]

>>10059386
>Germany
It's the fucking Mayerling incident, you ahistorical cunt.

[Anonymous No.10059396]

>>10059378
You probably could in Japan

[Anonymous No.10059401]

>>10059216
Why not just move?

Seriously. Just pick up and move to a city where there are actual people who read "serious" literature and by that I mean New York City. It's time to stop depending on message boards for discussion.

[Anonymous No.10059403]

>>10059396
they cut funding on genetic research as soon as it turned out they were korean descendants

[Anonymous No.10059407]

>>10059086
I've seen people see this on other boards I've been a part of over the years. I think you just get too used to it and things become predictable.

[Anonymous No.10059409]

>>10059396
Spent time there and there is very little that is discussed openly in the western sense, which is what matters here anyway.

[Anonymous No.10059415]

>>10059380
your ancestors left because they were surplus population or were persecuted for having a stupid religion

[Anonymous No.10059435]

>>10059401
Because just like everyone who is on 4chan, we're a bunch of faggot man children whose only option for discussing something they care about is on the Internet.

That being said, it's clear the only way to escape 4chan is to do what you brought up, but since most of us haven't reached that level yet, it would ideal to have a board for actually discussing literature oh the Internet without having culture of critique in every thread

[Anonymous No.10059440]

>>10059415
Hmm, what type of person pops into threads and starts pushing ideas meant divide Europeans and white Americans.

[Anonymous No.10059441]

Whats more likely, a group of individuals who have been persecuted their entire existence finally gain acceptance and use that freedom to exact revenge, or that group is once again being persecuted by the same forces and biases that generated that persecution in the first place? This is a completely platonic question

[Anonymous No.10059445]

>>10059328
You do realize this only seems even slightly realistic if 4chan is your main source of human contact?

>>10059332
>It's not that 4chan is particularly right wing
BOI

[Anonymous No.10059457]

>>10059370
>muh white genocide
>inferiors
>>>/pol/

[Anonymous No.10059463]

>>10058019
Women are childish. You want me to turn a blind eye?

[Anonymous No.10059466]

>>10059463
yo virgin

[Anonymous No.10059475]

>>10059445
I bet you are the type of numale leftist who scoffs at Trump in public and unwittingly makes people feel uncomfortable because you believe everyone thinks like you.

[Anonymous No.10059482]

>>10059475
I bet you wanna suck my dick. Ever think of that?

[Anonymous No.10059507]

>>10059445
>You do realize this only seems even slightly realistic if 4chan is your main source of human contact?

and your beliefs only seem realistic to someone who gets their human contact from the nytimes and late night comedy shows

its cocksure jackasses like this that had the "hillary victory meter" on the nytimes website at "80%" for the whole campaign only to fall flaccidly to "0%" as the votes were counted, the nytimes can never live that down lmao, and morons like this guy were totally shocked

[Anonymous No.10059514]

>>10059482
Reminder that your average 4chan leftist is a high school sophomore.

[Anonymous No.10059518]

>>10059507
You understand how percentages work, right?

[Anonymous No.10059520]

>>10059507
>and your beliefs only seem realistic to someone who gets their human contact from the nytimes and late night comedy shows
Nigga, you don't know what you're dealing with.

[Anonymous No.10059523]

>>10059520
i saw the way the late night shows misrepresented that bannon interview, and for liberals like you get most of your information from comedy shows you probably have a completely warped sense of what he actually said

[Anonymous No.10059528]

>>10059518
if you read the nytimes you would know they were writing like it was a sure thing literally all fucking year, as a liberal true believer you do at least read the nytimes don't you? i always felt the only positive think about being a liberal dunce is that you can read the nytimes and believe it. i read it anyways because i want to know what the liberal banking class wants the liberal working class to believe, but it's obviously a load of imperialist bullshit

[Anonymous No.10059531]

>>10059523
Who's Bannon?

[Anonymous No.10059535]

>>10059531
not sure if stupid or trolling.jpg

[Anonymous No.10059538]

>>10059528
What do I read to become redpilled?

[Anonymous No.10059540]

>>10059528
I don't care about politics. I'm asking if you truly think that favorable odds in a survey indicate a definite result, because that's what your post implied.

[Anonymous No.10059543]

>>10059538
The Militant, comrade

[Anonymous No.10059548]

>>10059538
ThePit comics will tell you all you need to know about the niggers, the feminists and their plans for us white males.

[Anonymous No.10059549]

This thread has devolved into a /pol/ thread, the kind of shit that is killing /lit/. If for whatever reason you're still reading this thread for the hopes of improving /lit/, then use this thread as an example of what not let this board turn into. There's a guy asking for "red pilled" books above me for fucks sake, stop this shit already and go back to pol

[Anonymous No.10059555]

>>10059540
do you not get that by saying hillary had a 80% or whatever chance of winning it makes trump's win look (to their readers anways) look like a freak occurrence, like "woah, i can't believe trump actually won! there was only a 5% chance!" but really he was dominating the whole time since day one of the republican primaries, you think you're scoring points by letting everyone know you took "intro to stats" like every other social science major did, but really you're not questioning the underlying implication (that trump's win was a freak occurance and not representative of a movement of the people). learn to fucking think, bro

[Anonymous No.10059556]

>>10059549
/pol/tards do not understand it this way. They sincerely think they are doing /lit/ a favour.

[Anonymous No.10059557]

>>10059549
>pity morality

[Anonymous No.10059558]

>>10059540
it wasn't "a survey" it was a very serious "analysis" by professional fortune teller Nate Silver

[Anonymous No.10059560]

>>10059555
He literally only won because of a rare electoral-college fluke where it does not represent the popular vote, it is a freak occurrence.

[Anonymous No.10059569]

>>10059549
I'd say that's a step up from what they usually devolve into: moanfests about pol. Why aren't you over at reddit?

[Anonymous No.10059575]

>>10059535
>everyone is american!

[Anonymous No.10059578]

Well this thread turned to real shit.

[Anonymous No.10059579]

>>10059558
That changes nothing. Even if Result A has a 99% chance to happen, there's nothing wrong with the polling methods if Result B occurs instead.

[Anonymous No.10059580]

>>10059440
it's not an "idea"
come to europe, lick our feet for a few years, learn some culture
you don't have any
it's depressing
you're like our stupid child that tries to yell at the dinner table about how video games are art

[Anonymous No.10059608]

>>10059580
There's only one type of person who plays this divide and conquer game between whites. It's a common tactic when a thread starts heading right: sabotage and veer off course. White leftists should take note, we have the same enemy even if your head is still too far up your ass to realize it.

[Anonymous No.10059640]

>>10057951
If a thread doesn't involve discussion of books and authors in relation to their works, it should be wasted immediately. Way too many threads these days with Peterson, debates over political ideologies, people asking to be spoonfed right wing lit suggestions, or "I hate women where are redpilled books about their inferiority?". If the mods did their job most of this shit would go to /his/ or /pol/.

[Anonymous No.10059846]

>>10059640
are the mods/janitors incompetent, or /pol/tards and /arcanine/ fuckups?

[Anonymous No.10059965]

>>10059441
lmao the irony of a racist talking about being persecuted

[Anonymous No.10060046]

>>10058018
>I post in shitty offtopic threads with buges buny Y U DELET?!?
Maybe try making your effortposting in real threads.

[Anonymous No.10060065]

>>10058154
this

Peterson and /pol/ invited a bunch of retards whining about muh postmodernism muh cultural marxism when they haven't even read jack shit about any of those topics, so they become cesspools of retardation

[Anonymous No.10060083]

>>10060065
>t. pussboi who's been getting his ass handed to him in postmodernism threads.

[Anonymous No.10060091]

>>10057951
>enforce global rule 3
>ban virgins going on about women
>actually moderate the board
>range ban london so that faggot blog poster fucks off

[Anonymous No.10060115]

Is nobody going to mention the cancer that are "What do you think of this guy" threads with just a pic and without mentioning who the guy is? I mean if your gonna be an absolute retard and start threads with one liners atleast have the curtsey to tell us the name so we can look the guy up.

[Anonymous No.10060135]

>>10060115
google it fag

[Anonymous No.10060220]

>>10058174
This anon has it

[Anonymous No.10060255]

>>10059608
this isn't something new, machiavelli wrote about this and while many countries have abolished this tactic, mainly europe, china (civil war), many still use it today like russia, usa, turkey,...

[Anonymous No.10060455]

>>10058154
t. Soyboy

[Anonymous No.10060466]

>>10059445
Numale soy boy detected

[Anonymous No.10060514]

>>10058154
Signed

[Anonymous No.10060693]

>>10057951
Mods were mean, so we are posting a poem that /bant/ made here:

Fruitfully we offer friendship to
you. Waffles remind us that love always
exists inside my love shack, baby
please kill our ruminating hearts ....

We enjoy metaphorically raping waffles.
It's nice.
Niggers cum in harmony with metaphorically mad
/b/tards

>>>/bant/2258302

[Anonymous No.10060857]

>>10059445
>>10059332
You can’t even effectively employ the term ‘leftist.’ This is everything wrong with /lit/ at the moment. I have no problem at at sharing this board with reactionaries. In fact, when I enjoyed posting here the reactionaries were quite a bit smarter and formidable than they (you) are now.

Wherever you fall on on the left / right spectrum is fine, but you owe everyone on this board at least a basic understanding of what the points on that spectrum represent

[Anonymous No.10060862]

>>10060857

Let me guess, you think leftism has nothing to do with the modern love for multiculturalism and self-guilt.

Guess what, it does, no matter how embarrassing it is to your movements. Toxic identity politics is intrinsically part of left wing thought.

[Anonymous No.10060895]

>>10060862
Keep redpilling this cuck, white brother. Thankfully we are above identity politics on the right unlike women, jews, blacks, and non-heterosexuals

[Anonymous No.10060901]

>>10060115
>have the curtsey
Agree

[Anonymous No.10060904]

>>10060895
Why haven't you killed yourself yet?

[Anonymous No.10060910]

>>10060862
Here’s the problem. You’re lashing out at a world populated by ghosts of your own creation. It’s an attitude not only antithetical to /lit/, but to literature itself.

[Anonymous No.10061002]

>>10058019
You're right.

[Anonymous No.10061008]

>>10060862
>>10060895
FUCK OFF TO /pol/ WE DON'T CARE

[Anonymous No.10061018]

>>10060895
>>10060862
stop posting
>>>/pol/

[Anonymous No.10061040]

>>10058154
I'm willing to bet that a large share of polposters don't even browse /pol/.

[Anonymous No.10061049]

>all these reportfags
what made old /lit/ good was that enough people had read enough books to realize it's all hentai shit and once you keep it text based you can write about licking a tweenager's eyeball like a milkmaid all you want and more. what matters is the prose is good and original and that probably only poetry can improve nicki minaj's ass.

read more you normie faggots who are still hung up on interracial porn. start with the immoralist. it adds a layer to your usual arabic cuck porn.

[Anonymous No.10061083]

>>10061040
I find that hard to believe. Sure, I'm sure there's a few who come here just to shitpost, but I can't imagine it being that many

[Anonymous No.10061092]

>>10061083
they believe owning books means they've read them, and not going to pol makes them not poltards.

[Anonymous No.10061100]

>>10061083
I can. I'm one. And from what I hear 4pol is full of jews and non-whites now so it likely isn't what most here seem to assume it is. Not that I would know. I went there once, saw a bunch of half-breeds complaining then some cuck porn, and then I left and haven't been back since.

[Anonymous No.10061110]

If you think /lit/ is bad you haven't been on the other boards. I would place /lit/ on of the higher end of the quality spectrum.

[Anonymous No.10061214]

>>10058040

[Anonymous No.10061396]

>>10059216
>I'd hate to crawl back to /r/literature
redditfags like you aren't welcome

[Anonymous No.10061399]

>>10058722
you just described a cuck my dude

[Anonymous No.10061427]

>>10061399
A cuck is a person who lets other people have sex with their SO.

I don't have a SO so I can't be a cuck. Pathetic, maybe according to some. But not a cuck.

[Anonymous No.10061470]

>>10061049
Bataille, make me yours.

[Anonymous No.10061477]

>>10061110
But a certain level of intellectual discussion is expected from /lit/. Seeing that it's about literature.

[Anonymous No.10061500]

>>10058722

>Because I've made peace with my role in life.

How's cowardice unto death working out for you?

[Anonymous No.10061501]

Anons who only reply with memes should burn at the stake.

[Anonymous No.10061506]

>>10061500
I'm just beeing meself

[Anonymous No.10061514]

>>10058019
No, we just need an influx of /lit/ misogyny

[Anonymous No.10061520]

>>10061506

Personally, I consider acedia the worst of the sins.

[Anonymous No.10061535]

>>10061501

[Anonymous No.10061540]

>>10061520
That's okay.

[Anonymous No.10061550]

>>10061535
Unexpected.

[Anonymous No.10061555]

>>10061550
Anons who only post sarcastically should burn at the stake.

[Anonymous No.10061614]

>>10058484
MODS

[Anonymous No.10061853]

>>10058995
>The board is fine
You cannot really believe this.

[Anonymous No.10061928]

>>10058685
I refuse to go back to that place.

[Anonymous No.10062223]

>>10058484
same, i got banned for posting a chick in a leather bikini before meanwhile threads like "why are philosophers so cucked" stays up, this isn't /philosophy/ bring a book or fuck off

[Anonymous No.10062279]

>>10059299
I 'member those times, anon. I remember discussing the meme trilogy or the Infinite Jest reading group. I remember dystopian roleplay threads where we discussed Baudrillard and Dick. Those times are lost, like tears in rain. Time to di... go back to... well, nowhere, really.

[Anonymous No.10062284]

>>10059332
>Or maybe its because 4chan is one of the few popular boards on the internet that doesnt ban you for talking about race.
And there is a fucking place for that! Hint: it's not /lit/.

[Anonymous No.10062289]

420chan seems like a pretty good place to go. Their literature board is actually talking about books, it's slow but it's really about books.

[Anonymous No.10062291]

>>10059299
Don't forget the Christposting

[Anonymous No.10062296]

>>10062279
this is the only place where i can discuss literature with non-normies, if i go into the city to some shit it's just going to overprivileged rich white guys from super expensive schools with literary qts on their arm listening to every word their bf says like any of it is insightful even tho they are supposed to be feminists

this is the only place you can really just talk shit about literature with a bunch of deplorable mother fuckers and not have it become a pissing contest of rich white guys and rich black chicks or a chad/fagchad performance display to attract mates

[Anonymous No.10062310]

>>10062289
how new are u to the internet my dude 420 looks good at first until u realize any board not related to weed gets about one post a month

[Anonymous No.10062317]

>>10062296
I feel you, anon, but I just don't have the emotional stamina to come here anymore. For every passionate book lover there are ten hateful people looking for political validation. I have literally hundreds of screencaps and saved threads from the 2014-2016 period, but after that it all went to shit.

[Anonymous No.10062328]

>>10062310
Yeah but the only way to solve that is to post on it. It's like the only alternative to 4chan left that is both in English and not an even bigger shithole than this place.

[Anonymous No.10062334]

>>10062279
>>10062296
>>10062317
>tfw when you missed /lit/s prime
Can we make /lit/ great again?

[Anonymous No.10062340]

>>10058019
i agree its deeply misogynistic to pretend that women are our equals and it ultimately hurts everyone involved we should stop this farce immediately

[Anonymous No.10062347]

>>10058154
this
i dont want a single person on my /lit/ with even slightly the wrong opinions

[Anonymous No.10062348]

>>10062340
virgin

[Anonymous No.10062353]

>>10058219
if you prefer breddit then stay there you fucking shitstain what mental illness do you have that you prefer meddit but stay here?

[Anonymous No.10062359]

>>10062353
You have 10 seconds to justify how 4chan is better than reddit.

[Anonymous No.10062363]

>>10058219
>420chan has a better /literature board
Thanks for letting me know. Bye forever, fags.

[Anonymous No.10062371]

>>10058219
>>10062363
>>10062289
Welp, I'm fucking gone.

Later, squares.

[Anonymous No.10062378]

>>10062359
youre right nebbit is better you should go there

[Anonymous No.10062424]

>>10062334
That would require range banning people for creating offtopic threads, which in itself is against the spirit of this website. I'll probably upload the screencaps and saved threads onto some hosting site, so you'll at least have a taste of what you've missed.

[Anonymous No.10062430]

This board is gone. Accept it. It's irreversible. Once /pol/ and r/incel shows up, the place is done.

Well-meaning users will fall to the bait. Even if they don't, polacks and incels can talk between themselves. They don't need the attention of serious lit posters, they just need the place to talk and act like pseuds. They're self sustaining.

There's no reason to use /lit/ anymore thanks to them. I come here for the writing critique generals and the meme-threads and that's it.
There's a good post once in a while but they're inevitably derailed. There's a thread about Hemingway rn and it took what, 15 comments for it turn into a "muh redpill" convo.

What could help is moderation, but that won't happen. I'm not even sure if we'd be better off with that, considering the fact that jannies delete lit threads and leave Jewish conspiracy ones up.

>well shit it turns out they don't want the redpill permavirgin KKK member shit on their board
>lemme delete this comment on politics in the meta-thread and leave the countless derailing posts up
>k done all is fine

Gj.

[Anonymous No.10062440]

>>10062430
We should just crowdsource all the recommendation pictures, the .torrent file for the All-Embracing Library and maybe some screencaps, and then leave this board for good. I don't see other options. And no, this is not reverse psychology, I'm the >>10062279
and >>10062317 anon. Thanks for the great three years.

[Anonymous No.10062455]

>>10062424
>the spirit of this website
This mythology of 4chan being a bastion of free-speech I think is one of the serious problems with it. At one point this wasn't true at all (in fact I'd say it never really was and still isn't), for much of its history it was moot's site for himself and his friends to fuck around with and ban people with impunity for any arbitrary reason. The spirit of 4chan isn't some kind of romanticized antiquarian forum of free discussion and debate, it is weeaboo teenagers goofing around.

And even though the mythology of 4chan is this way it's not really that way at all, mods are still arbitrary dicks that won't hesitate to delete threads they don't like. But since Hiro took over they don't extend this to /pol/, even on boards that are not /pol/. It's literally degenerated into a safe-space.

[Anonymous No.10062491]

>>10062440
Ok, I won't post it again, so make sure you save it before the thread inevitably 404's.

magnet:?xt=urn:btih:488eb9134190440bbf1e77929754321c85a24c72&dn=The+All-Embracing+Library&tr=udp://tracker.openbittorrent.com:80&tr=udp://open.demonii.com:1337

This is the holy grail of /lit/, created around April this year by a very cryptic anon. You can look up the contents before downloading and pick the stuff you want. If anyone has the recommendation pictures, please post them. It's time to start an exodus.

[Anonymous No.10062537]

>>10062491
But Anon, if we become a diaspora, then we'll be apart. I don't want to lose you, Anon.

[Anonymous No.10062554]

>>10062537
I think we should all agree to migrate to 420chan unless there's a better alternative.

[Anonymous No.10062570]

>>10062554
I thought about both 420 and infinity chan, but it's up to you anons, really. We could just make a /postlit/ board on the latter real quick, with moderation which doesn't tolerate offtopic or politics, unless relevant to a discussed book or philosophical treatise.

[Anonymous No.10062582]

>>10062570
Making new 4*2chan boards is a dangerous game when trying to migrate from another community, very often it doesn't pick up enough momentum so it disintegrates and everyone is back to square 1. It might be better to move to an established (if small) community.

[Anonymous No.10062594]

>>10062582
So do we just make a "hi, we're from 4chan, pls no bully" thread? The influx of new users will probably be noticeable.

[Anonymous No.10062605]

>>10062594
I'm not sure. 7chan mods used to ban anyone saying they were a refugee from 4chan on sight, I'm not sure if 420chan is like that but the mods seem pretty hardcore.

Maybe we should make an Infinite Jest thread and congregate in that.

[Anonymous No.10062615]

>>10062605
Well, I just used the phrase "4chan" on 420chan in a thread and it got changed to "future", so...

[Anonymous No.10062622]

>>10057951
Can we ban philosophy threads completely? I don't mind philosophy itself, but almost all philosophy threads, whether they are about politics or not, end up devolving into "Le postmodernism sux" or "Le (thinker before 1800) was wrong about everything anyway"

[Anonymous No.10062624]

>>10062615
I'm not sure why it does that. It must be some kind of in joke.

[Anonymous No.10062634]

>>10058995
This. All the crying and complaining comes SOLELY from leftypol and other destitutes that are too annoyed with the fact their de facto ideological rule over /lit/ is over.

This is not Reddit: you won't get people to stop saying things that upset you and you won't downvote anyone into oblivion. Learn to deal with opposing views

[Anonymous No.10062646]

>>10058154
I also second this, I hate it when I have my views then someone is just like
>I disagree
Like fuck em, I'm a nihilist with a wicked sense of humor and FUCK YOU

[Anonymous No.10062657]

>>10062634
Here's the thing, I don't mind opposing political views. That's fine. But I do not want to be debating about the Jews, niggers and feminists all day long wherever I go. Sometimes I want to discuss books, and maybe would appreciate some opposing views about books. I'd love it if I got some opposing views on here about books from people who have read said books.

But nope, that's not what happens. Instead I just get a pseud version of /pol/. Like for fucks sake, if you want to talk about politics go to /pol/, if you want to talk about history or philosophy go to /his/, but don't come to /lit/ to talk about these things unless it has to do with a specific book.

[Anonymous No.10062658]

>>10062430
Imagine being so anti-dialogical that the mere presence of someone who disagrees with you causes you to react in such an emotional manner .

Most of the people who /pol/post are just /lit/fags parodying what /pol/ sounds like. Anyone who actually posts on /pol/ can spot the obviously exaggerated mannerisms of someone trying to troll by /pol/posting

[Anonymous No.10062663]

>>10062634
It's not about which end of the political spectrum is the de facto current ruling class on /lit/, but about the quality of the posts. At one point orthodox christians ruled this board, some other time it was third wave feminists who shilled Andrea Dworkin so hard, that people actually started reading her books. Shifts of power are inevitable, but it's not a secret that post-Trump (and I use that not as bait, because I really don't mind him as a president, but as a cut-off point) /lit/ has witnessed an influx of people who legitimately don't care about literature in any shape or form and are here solely to shitpost and push "scientific studies" with citations from "Free Domain Radio" and "The Foundation for Family Studies" or some other shit. If you have an agenda, great, but at least don't embarass yourself and us by proxy. FYI, at one point an alleged grandson of Oswald Mosley posted here and he was much more civil than the average /pol/ tourist, even though he was as much of a fascist as his grandfather.

[Anonymous No.10062665]

>>10062658
>Most of the people who /pol/post are just /lit/fags parodying what /pol/ sounds like.
Sure thing, buddy. I keep hearing how /pol/ is 100% satire and how I don't understand "chan culture". Keep deluding yourself that you participate in meaningful intellectual exchange here.

[Anonymous No.10062683]

>>10062658
>Most of the people who /pol/post are just /lit/fags parodying what /pol/ sounds like

But that just means they're choking out actual discussion to lazily shitpost. And, looking at this thread, it appears some people actually belive it.

[Anonymous No.10062699]

>>10058019
>Womyn askin for respect XD
Eat shit and die. If your post has quality people will talk absolutely nothing, if its garbage we all know it was a chick

[Anonymous No.10062707]

>>10062665
/pol/ being satire is a meme, but people trying to act like /pol/ for trolling purposes is not

[Anonymous No.10062710]

>>10062665
>Anyone who actually posts on /pol/ can spot the obviously exaggerated mannerisms of someone trying to troll by /pol/posting
Yeah /pol/tards getting ruffled by their permavirgin status is "satire" on their part lol

[Anonymous No.10062718]

>>10058019
There's always a justified reason to be misogynistic.

[Anonymous No.10062729]

>>10062707
it used to be satire... 5 years ago

[Anonymous No.10062747]

>>10062634
>>10062658

Then where are the leftists who shit up the board? It fucking seems like it's the poltards who push an agenda, doesn't it now.

It's not that I disagree with you, it's the fact that this is not the place to argue about your and my own bullshit about politics.

Sure, let's debate fascism, national socialism, let's talk about the "Jewish question", but then, for fucks sake, cite a book, anything that has something to do with literature. And no, your interpretation of Holden as the proto-numale libcuck propagated by the juice is not going to do it. I'd be fine with talking Mein Kampf. I'm not fine with your autism all over the place.
You fucking ruin everything you touch.

[Anonymous No.10062762]

>>10062663

It's a trend that's going to end. Not soon, but it will. All forums and image boards go through the same phases. There was a Christian revival as a response to militant atheism on Reddit too, for example. They just luck out with shit like that because their moderation can effectively quarantine specific groups to their own echoboxes.

On 4chan that's not an option.

[Anonymous No.10062770]

>>10062762
moot did it somewhat effectively by making "keep /pol/ on /pol/" a rule. I still have no idea why that was repealed.

[Anonymous No.10062831]

>>10062729
No, it was all serious back in 2011 too, in fact the reason /pol/ was created was because moot was getting tired of /n/ going more and more right wing.

[Anonymous No.10062841]

>>10062747
>Then where are the leftists who shit up the board?
They mostly come from /r/socialism, /leftypol/ goes to /his/
>Inb4 leftypol isn't a real board
Then go to 8ch*n and find out.

[Anonymous No.10062851]

>>10058995
i wouldn't mind jq posters but just keep it non-insnane, there's one guy who basically calls anyone who lived after 1850 a jew.

the other issue when it comes to The /pol/ Question is the redpill youtube dads, those guys fucking suck. i watched about as many peterson videos as i could stand waiting for him to say something of substance but he just never does, it's just garbage, some with every other "redpilled" youtube channel, but lets keep it 100 the guys who post land and peterson are getting paid to do social media marketing (and 4chan is social media for paranoid autists)

[Anonymous No.10062852]

>>10062841
In fact, /leftypol/ are the ones who complain about /pol/ the most.

[Anonymous No.10062857]

>>10062851
>there's one guy who basically calls anyone who lived after 1850 a jew.
My sides. Is this real life?

[Anonymous No.10062858]

>>10062770
>Why was that repealed
It wasn't, everything started becoming political. Even our hobbies starting becoming political.

[Anonymous No.10062863]

>>10062857
how have you not seen this dude? maybe he actually did get banned otherwise this thread would be like JEWS JEWS JEWS JEWS

[Anonymous No.10062867]

>>10062851
At least Land is even remotely entertaining and has meme potential (and is an IRL shitposter known to visit /lit/). Peterson is a fucking lolcow who cries himself to sleep because "muh Western world is being destroyed".

[Anonymous No.10062869]

>>10062867
>Peterson is a fucking lolcow who cries himself to sleep

more like peterson laughs himself to sleep as he counts the shekels he extracted from fatherless neets in flyover country

[Anonymous No.10062873]

>>10062869
Well, that's another valid interpretation, I guess. How is that guy different from a life coach, again? Apart from the academic cred, that is.

[Anonymous No.10062874]

>>10062867
>Lol your culture is dying, stop crying faggot
>You have a problem with being displaced with immigrants, lol shut up
>It's just the way of the future , stop trying to fight progress

[Anonymous No.10062887]

God bless effort-posters, they run a substantial artistic risk from it all. Post anything original or good and some guy takes it, that's both for fictional and non-fictional writing and analysis, I bet this happens so much so I never never never post in creating writing or critique threads. Also, stuff like this >>10058018 and just in general writing out long posts for the thread to die or hardly anybody reads your post to even continue the conversation are real punches in the gut for that little part of you that tells you to post longer, post harder, post faster.

[Anonymous No.10062895]

>>10062874
I'm sure that the majority of people will choose "freedom" over shelter and food. Keep deluding yourself, luddite. Automatization will make religion and tradition irrelevant.

[Anonymous No.10062896]

>>10062858
It was, it used to be a global rule and now it isn't.

[Anonymous No.10062900]

>>10062873
a life coach is a business, this guy ingeniously tied his life coaching business to the trumpist wave and mined social media for lonely frogbois in search of a clue, he has a great entrepreneurial instinct to turn his five minutes of fame as a tranny basher into a major brand, i just don't want to see that fucking bullshit on /lit/

[Anonymous No.10062903]

>>10062895
>Dude SPACE lmao
>We all gon live on MARS n shit muffugah
>Even though space x can't launch a rocket without having a blown up, we gone be star trek
>Ain't you seen the movies?
Topkek, bourgie moron

[Anonymous No.10062906]

>>10062841
>>10062852
You totally missed his point, it's that leftists don't shit up 4chan. They don't bandy about their political beliefs on every board and in every thread. Even assuming everything you say is true their activities are limited to complaining /pol/, and /pol/ complainers are an absolute and total non-problem compared to /pol/ cross-boarders.

/pol/ on the other hand is relentless on their mission to proselytize their views everywhere.

[Anonymous No.10062911]

>>10062896
the thing that's probably attracting all the redpilled homos and marketers is that the only rule in the faq listed for /lit/ is no fanfic, maybe some sniveling mod should go contact hiro and get that updated to include "politics belong in /pol/" and hopefully "no youtube channels"but it's unclear if the marketers are revenue sharing with hiro (which seems likely since there's no way the massive traffic this site gets can break even nevermind profit off a couple clickbait banners at the bottom of the page)

[Anonymous No.10062912]

>>10062903
Why did you bring up space exploration? Have you seen dockyards, anon? The only non-automated work in major ports is transporting cargo from a ship onto a platform. The rest is done by robots. Do you want to know what autonomous cars will do to the truck drivers? Do you want to know what will happen to the manufacturing plant workers? It will be either UBI or our species will end. There is no place for clunky civilizational baggage like traditionalism in there.

[Anonymous No.10062927]

>>10062911
Hiro is 100% up to something.

moot was struggling to keep the place open when he sold it. But then suddenly it has like 10 times the userbase, the same level of advertising it always had, and no apparent upkeep problems.

[Anonymous No.10062930]

>>10062912
but won't u think of the coalminers bro?! how will they get a job?

[Anonymous No.10062967]

>>10062906
>it's that leftists don't shit up 4chan. They don't bandy about their political beliefs on every board and in every thread
*Except they do? They're pretty bad on here and on /his/.

Plus , whenever people see any kind of conservative viewpoint it's
>Durr BAK 2 /pol/

So any argument that it's /pol/ trying infiltrate anything is in bad faith. Maybe people's political stances are changing en mass?

[Anonymous No.10062980]

>>10062967
Go back to /pol/.

[Anonymous No.10062982]

>>10062912
>U
>B
>I

WE GON BE ROBOTS MUFFUGAH
TRANSHUMANISM IS DA FUTURE
WE JUST SITTIN ON OUR ASSES MAKIN GREEN

Why do bourgie morons talk about things they don't really understand? You realize that if the world industrializes ad infinitum it's just going to lead to a Malthusian catastrophe unless massive eugenics programs are put in place to ensure that the mean IQ of a population stays high, right?

This is also assuming that if we industrialize that suddenly you own the means of production, and not the companies. UBI is the most bourgeois and moronic concept of LARP'ey spoiled white kids ever created.

Stop reading so much science fiction lmao

[Anonymous No.10062984]

>>10062980
The mantra of the moron.

[Anonymous No.10063005]

>>10062984
This

[Anonymous No.10063703]

>>10062615
It's an old wild filter. I've been there longer than here. It was basically to filter out /b/ kids and it was funny to see their post changed to "Hey, I'm from the future, and...."

420chan's lit is great and totally book focused and unpretentious. Just fucking GLACIAL. That's the only reason I came back to this shithole like 5 years ago as a side gig.

[Anonymous No.10064167]

>>10062663
>oswald mosley grandson
You got my attention anon care to give me a link

[Anonymous No.10064194]

>>10058018
This. Whoever is deleting threads needs to slow the fuck down. When quality conversations disappear, so do the users. Shitposting is easy, and mods have created an environment that allows endless amounts of the same shitty thread over and over: DFW/suicide note/rupi/Peterson/"stop ______".

Allowing this noise is fucking stupid and it is killing all good conversations on this board.

[Anonymous No.10064196]

>>10058033
Coming down from the trees was the problem, I think

[Anonymous No.10064360]

>>10062967

Pretty bad my ass. When I see a lefty here on /lit/ he's either responding to /pol/ shittalk or asks genuine questions about books that support his ideology, e.g. Das Kapital.

You made up an ever present leftist boogeyman. You're not in a heroic struggle against the bolsheviks, stormtrooper, they are not here.

[Anonymous No.10064397]

blogpost:
What happened to this board in the last 48 hours? All the threads here are shit. Are we getting more traffic because of something recent?
It's strange how these apparent newfags never seem to learn
>Hey guys I'm far-right and reading Foucault for the first time, what should I expect?
Why even reply to this thread? It's not someone whose read Foucault and providing their opinion from a certain perspective. It's someone who hasn't even read the source material, making a thread with no real sort of impetus to get the discussion going other than bland, dull, histrionic political ressentiment. It's literally the most worthless kind of thread available. Even Evolaposting is leagues better, despite its dull frequency.

The problem isn't necessarily politics. Some of the more unique and interesting political discussion I've seen has been on /lit/. It's crossboarders treating /lit/ like /tv/ 2.0. I'm not usually one to get autistic about muh imageboard culture but most of the shitty threads come from people who obviously don't fucking lurk.
politics is a general subject much too beloved by cretins, too.

Another thing. I haven't popped into the Catholic Lit generals, but seems strange to me that it would be a recurring general, rather than the occasional thread about the topic. Religious literature isn't exactly an alien or niche topic of discussion, and it seems weird that Catholicism is getting singled out - does that mean we can only discuss Graham Greene in one thread? but that also, these threads of a Catholic religious bent will have to shun Dostoyevsky or Milton? Literally just go on the Catholic subreddit.

[Anonymous No.10064456]

>>10064397
These things come in waves for some reason. It's been like this for the whole year; some days it looks like it's gone completely to shit and then a few days later it's basically fine and then it goes back and forth like that.

[Anonymous No.10064534]

>>10062646
Such an ingenious sarcasm.

[Anonymous No.10065021]

Philosophy containment generals when?

[Anonymous No.10065026]

>113 matches for pol.
muh boogeyman.

don't attribute to malice whta you can attribute to stupidity.

[Anonymous No.10065261]

>>10065026
Those are not mutually exclusive.

[Anonymous No.10065940]

>>10058995
>the board is fine

[Anonymous No.10067062]

>>10058847
this

[Anonymous No.10068141]

What are some /lit/ essential reading companions?
So far I have:
>Roget's Thesaurus
>Oxford English Dictionary
>A book on trees
>A book on birds

I'm seeking books that will expand my future reading and rereading experiences in this vein.

[Anonymous No.10068397]

>>10057951
Ban people who shitpost brainless threads that at times slide meaningful discussions into the archive.

[Anonymous No.10068404]

>>10058716
Generals are the least of the problems on this board. They tend to go on for a while and they are easy to ignore if you're not interested.

[sin No.10068863]

If you're thinking about moving to 420chan, you should know beforehand that their Books & Literature board is dead.

[Anonymous No.10068939]

I don't understand why Anons must be so contrarian and always operate in seventeen layers of irony: it's not like you have a reputation to protect here.

[Anonymous No.10068955]

>>10068939
*contrarian post*
*post with >not operating in eighteen layers of irony*

[Anonymous No.10070423]

>>10068863

[Anonymous No.10070716]

>>10065021
Too broad to contain on a thread.

[Anonymous No.10071070]

>>10059221
This

[Anonymous No.10071130]

>>10058847
>Be the change you want to see in the board, don't respond to bait threads, read and then create thoughtful threads, and try not to get discouraged. This is 4chan after all, this place will always be shitty

[Anonymous No.10072487]

>>10058018
>even if we were to imagine that every post we make was destined for threads that were immediately deleted should we not love this fate?

t. ubermensch

[Anonymous No.10072497]

>>10058219

>go to 420chan
>first thread = Malazan
>second thread = JK Rowling
>third thread = what is the most red-pilled lit?
>fourth thread = ASOIAF

kill me

[Anonymous No.10072595]

>multiple threads by unironic communists and SJWs shitting on a meme Youtube e-celeb made every single day
It's time you guys stop pretending you're any better than alt righters.
When will the mods start doing their job and moving all culture wars threads to /pol/?

[Anonymous No.10072604]

>>10057951

Give up, anon. Everything is lost. This is not a quality board, it is a place where you pick up meme books.
And literary meme have been shit since the beginning, anyway, because they are not about making a joke, but about showing off the fact that you read books. Literary memes are always like a big, cringy woody allen movie: they are not about making you laugh, but about making a skinny annoying jew less undesirable by showing us how many books he has read.

[Anonymous No.10072903]

>>10072604
If you've given up, why are you still here, Anon?

[Anonymous No.10072907]

write the posts you want to read

[Anonymous No.10072913]

>>10058174
this needs Varg

[Anonymous No.10072918]

>>10057951
>see thread
>know exactly how all meta threads on /lit/ have ever turned out
>ctrl f /pol/
>make this post and close thread

[Anonymous No.10072932]

>>10058896
what a load of bollocks

[Anonymous No.10073007]

so it turns out files don't exist anymore, so that's an improvement

[Anonymous No.10073155]

>>10064196
surviving the temperature rising to leave the ocean was the worst

[Anonymous No.10073178]

>>10064397
On the Catholicism thing:
Greene's part of a generation where there were a lot of converts and he got a lot people who wouldn't otherwise get published to get in print (he was the reader for At Swim Two Birds, for example)
Around him you have Muriel Spark and Evelyn Waugh and before that, a lot of English language greats were Irish. (Wilde is around the same point as Stoker, and the subject seeps in despite how Anglo-acting they both were)

While a Catholic gen could be justified, it's not justified with the current cretins you described running around. Most anons couldn't trace Greene's influence on the first half of the 20th C literature or English Catholicism, and the Catholics wind up correcting minor points of doctrine/faith from US protestant CatholicLARPers who should go elsewhere as you said.

[Anonymous No.10073812]

>>10072918
this is the same for every meta thread on this site, it's infected nearly every board

[Anonymous No.10073821]

>>10057951
Good luck. Any attempt I make on a legitimate thread typically involves heavy maintenance from my end just to keep it alive. Only like a sub-100 number of people who legitimately read or want to write visit this board, it feels like.
You're better off trying to establish contact with someone irl who lives near you who's opinion you trust and can talk lit with.
This board and site are cancer and it's tumor.

[Anonymous No.10074396]

>people whining about the quality of the best board on the site with the best wiki

[Anonymous No.10074407]

>>10068863
At this point it's a choice between living with a zombie chained to the wall in your room, or lying down in an open grave. At least I can leave the grave whenever I want.

[Anonymous No.10074415]

>>10074396
You could just download download an offline version of the wiki and forget that this board exists. A much healthier choice.

[Anonymous No.10074427]

>>10058154
Even better: just straight up ban nazis, lmao. That'll trigger them.

[Anonymous No.10075766]

write your replies on another website under the guise of "essay"