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Anonymous Mon Sep 18 04:01:42 2017 No.10038464 [Reply] [Original]

What are the hardest science fiction books out there?

Either books that are based in real science, or speculative fiction that puts a lot of thought into the progression and consequences of its technology, however far into the future it is set.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 04:03:31 2017 No.10038470 >>10038464 2001 is said to be pretty hardy when it comes to this. I will follow this topic with great interestelar.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 04:10:27 2017 No.10038488 >>10038470 Interstellar was the one that got a movie made about it, right? I thankfully didn't see the movie.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 04:29:01 2017 No.10038527 >>10038488 No, this is my phone fucking me up. I mean interest* I will follow your topic with interest, because I 2 wanna know the hardest of the hard.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 04:39:57 2017 No.10038547 File: 342 KB, 1280x853, hong_kong.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10038527 Indeed. Bumping this thread with more images of Hong Kong.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 04:49:05 2017 No.10038566 3-body trilogy. I haven't the read the last one myself, but I really enjoyed the first two.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 04:53:52 2017 No.10038574 >>10038566 Just looked it up, looks like a very nice read, chalking that one up on the wishlist. So, one for the list, lets see how many more we can get.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 04:55:19 2017 No.10038576 I've read two books by Stanislaw Łem and they're by far the hardest sci-fi books I've ever read. They are "The master's voice" and "Solaris" and expecially the first are packed with a lot of philosophy and science

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 05:02:07 2017 No.10038581 >>10038576 Apparently he's got his own website. https://english.lem.pl/works

Anonymous Mon Sep 18 05:04:42 2017 No.10038587
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>>10038574
>one for the list
Surely you mean three for the list, anon?

Well 'jokes' aside, I have also heard good things about Blindsight by Peter Watts. I haven't read it myself though, so I'm just passing on the recommendation that I got from some(where/body) else

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 05:06:21 2017 No.10038589 E G A N G A N

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 05:08:07 2017 No.10038593 The Second Apocalypse Heptalogy. The hardest science fiction you will find.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 05:13:20 2017 No.10038602 >>10038593 >is a Canadian fantasy author Wait, what?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 05:15:34 2017 No.10038609 >>10038602 Don't let that fool you, it's actually hard sci-fi a la Lord of Light.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 05:15:40 2017 No.10038610 >>10038464 Try Greg Bear's work, especially Eon

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 05:23:21 2017 No.10038623 File: 276 KB, 1000x1549, 155883.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10038464 >tfw no qt Ann gf to watch the rocks together

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 06:35:56 2017 No.10038770 >>10038488 Interstellar the movie was about as hard as my limp cock right now. To call it a spit in the face of science would be an understatement.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 06:51:29 2017 No.10038819 >>10038770 It was just a typo m8. Calm down

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 06:54:44 2017 No.10038826 >>10038464 Greg Egan's Diaspora is pretty high tier.

Anonymous Mon Sep 18 06:54:49 2017 No.10038828
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>>10038464
probably not the hardest you can find, but the forever war was a pretty nice take on space war

related to OP's question, is there anything decent about a near-feasible-future like the anime Planetes in book form?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 06:57:04 2017 No.10038834 >>10038770 even though i wouldn't watch it again, if you delete the magical library and the family/earth sub-plot the space stuff was decent.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 06:59:45 2017 No.10038843 >>10038464 Book of the New Sun

Anonymous Mon Sep 18 07:06:30 2017 No.10038862

>>10038834
I wonder why everyone thinks this.
Not to be a fedoratipper or anything but I guess for normal people that know "sort of something" about space and not more, nothing really seems to pop up to them as strange. I genuinely don't want to insult you and I don't think you're an idiot, anon.

But there's tons of idiotic things, mostly to do with the black hole and the gravity of its effects. I know they hire physics consultatnts for this kind of things, but it all is just falling apart at the seams in this movie in various ways. It's sort of as if the story was already written and then they tried to fit the physics to the story, instead of the opposite.

I wish I could have enjoyed the movie - and I really, really liked the first parts that were on Earth. But for me, the rest was a disaster, and I'm not even talking about the love magic alien tesseract.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 07:07:33 2017 No.10038864 >>10038862 *and the effects of its gravity i am dumb

Anonymous Mon Sep 18 07:11:31 2017 No.10038876

>>10038862
>But there's tons of idiotic things, mostly to do with the black hole and the gravity of its effects. I know they hire physics consultatnts for this kind of things, but it all is just falling apart at the seams in this movie in various ways. It's sort of as if the story was already written and then they tried to fit the physics to the story, instead of the opposite.
can you be specific? i don't remember anything too crazy, except maybe:
- the radiation from the accretion disk not frying every planet on its reach
- the wormhole

not sure if you mean that the calculation for the time dilation and the tide stuff wouldn't work out in reality, but the concepts themselves exist in reality even if they would work in a different scale in the real world

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 07:20:43 2017 No.10038894 >>10038623 Awesome design.

Anonymous Mon Sep 18 07:24:10 2017 No.10038901

>>10038876
I too don't remember much anymore and I don't really want to talk about the movie, but I remember being really disappointed. I'll try to tell you what I can think of off the top of my head.

I remember there was some kind of a signal being sent back from the planets in an interval. I remember having a problem with that and time dilation. Not sure what specifically though. Maybe it was beeping all the time with the same frequency or something.

Also >a blackhole through a wormhole next to Saturn and everything is totally fine and dandy in our solar system. I mean, fine, it's a wormhole and you can take some storytelling liberties but they didn't even bother to address this.

Whatever was going on the water planet was totally stupid and preventable if the characters weren't stupid. When I'm writing these, I'm realising that it's not actually just science, it's science coupled with stupid writing.

The main character getting even close to the horizon. There'd be a ridiculous amount of sanic fast garbage/gas floating around.

etc., etc.
You get the idea, I think. I made a really butthurt comment on Reddit about this a long time ago, it was pretty long, but I deleted my account, so it's gone. Shame I can't remember more right now. Maybe that's for the best.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 07:41:31 2017 No.10038951 >>10038901 >omg the movie was so inaccurate it's an insult to science >how? >nothing specific lol great post turbo autist

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 07:43:08 2017 No.10038960 >>10038951 Sure, anon.

Anonymous Mon Sep 18 07:49:50 2017 No.10038973

>>10038951
Not that guy, but there was also the speech by Ann Hathaway's character about how the only thing that travels faster than the speed of light is LOVE. And the characters back on earth, the guys daughter, her story was cliched and annoying. Like when she figures out how to save errybody, and she throws her papers in the air and kisses her boyfriend. Perhaps that is how she would have acted...but it seemed fake and overdone to me.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 07:50:53 2017 No.10038976 >>10038951 Posts from other physics autist are one google search away. https://www.quora.com/What-are-some-of-the-flaws-scientific-errors-and-plot-holes-scientific-or-otherwise-in-the-Interstellar-movie

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 09:10:09 2017 No.10039180 >>10038566 Was going to say this, also Linda Nagata wrote a trilogy beginning with the bohr maker that is dense and scientific, and also follows humanity over the eons til they are nearly unrecognizable.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 09:39:17 2017 No.10039270 >>10039180 >also follows humanity over the eons til they are nearly unrecognizable Oh, is that what happens in the 3rd book of 3-body too? Sounds exciting. Guess I better get to it soon

Anonymous Mon Sep 18 09:42:22 2017 No.10039284

>>10038464
I'm reading Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep. I think it's quite hard to follow. Harder than A Scanner Darkly. But maybe it's because I was reading sloppily/lazily. I will have to start from the beginning again and read better because I don't understand shit.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 09:45:31 2017 No.10039294 Infinite Jest an Rainbow's Gravity have sci-fi elements, and they're hard as fuck

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 11:18:14 2017 No.10039603 >>10038464 >hard science fiction books Okssimoroon

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