GOAT authors

[Anonymous No.10022086]

Which authors are widely considered to be the best of all time? I see a lot of Joyce, Proust, Dostoevsky, Shakespeare, Dante, Homer, who else?

[Anonymous No.10022094]

Homer didn't exist

[Anonymous No.10022124]

>Dostoevsky
Only if you don't know russian literature.
Stop this banal name-dropping. List of middle school set-books.
Where is Bruno Schulz? Where is Faulkner? Where is Kafka? Tournier?

[Anonymous No.10022129]

>>10022086
Goethe, Joyce

[Anonymous No.10022136]

Cervantes, Sterne. Just Google this question OP, its not difficult to find an answer.

[Anonymous No.10022142]

>>10022086
None of the authors you mentioned except maybe Homer are on the same high-level tier Shakespeare is.

[Anonymous No.10022182]

tolstoy

[Anonymous No.10022213]

>>10022142
Dante is, actually

[Anonymous No.10022227]

>>10022142
Deluisional anglos at it again

[Anonymous No.10022260]

Chekhov

Various poets... seeing exactly who with just translations might be difficult, though.

[Anonymous No.10022292]

Tolstoy

[Anonymous No.10022295]

>>10022142
monolingual anglotards should be removed from /lit/

[Anonymous No.10022711]

>>10022124
>"stop this name dropping"
>proceeds to name drop
I do love Kafka though, but I was hesitant to mention him because I have trouble drawing the line between something I like and whether or not it's justified on an artistic level

>>10022136
Whenever I google it I get shit like JK Rowling and YA authors

>>10022142
Actually read the other authors and then tell me what you think

>>10022260
I do love Chekhov's short stories as much as Kafka's, and Chekhov is a big inspiration to me as an overall human being not just a writer, but like I said about Kafka I'm hesitant to claim a work is justified on an artistic level just because I like it

>>10022292
I haven't read him yet but hopefully he lives up to the hype

[Anonymous No.10022724]

Cervantes, Calderon de la Barca, Lope de Vega, Unamuno, Borges, Bolaño.

[Anonymous No.10022944]

Murasaki Shikibu
Cao Xueqin
Wu Cheng'en

[Anonymous No.10022959]

>>10022711
>"stop this name dropping"
>proceeds to name drop

tkat was ironic hehe

[Anonymous No.10022964]

>>10022295
whats your native language? tell us what literary opinion is in your country, seriously I'm interested as I thought Shakespeare was revered everywhere except perhaps France.

[Anonymous No.10022968]

>>10022086
MELVILLE
SHAKESPEARE

I expected these to be fpbp

[Anonymous No.10022979]

>>10022124
I have read your Faulkner. You're pulling my leg.

[Anonymous No.10022981]

Poetry before and after her is as distinct as before and after speare

[Anonymous No.10022982]

>>10022968
In English its the King James scholars, Shakespeare, Milton and Melville.

[Anonymous No.10022983]

>>10022086
Joyce and Proust are the greatest of 20th century writers, not the greatest writers of all time. Dostoevsky is largely acknowledged to be a bad writer, people read him for his ideas rather than his facility with words.

>>10022142
>Dante
>Not on the level of Shakespeare

>>10022968
Nelville is great, but he isn't GOAT compared to the GOATs.

[Anonymous No.10022990]

>>10022982
>No Chaucer

[Anonymous No.10022996]

Honor the Ballsack!

[Anonymous No.10023016]

>>10022981
K who is she though?

[Anonymous No.10023019]

>>10023016
H.D. bud.

[Anonymous No.10023057]

>>10022983
I always thought Dostoevskij wasn't a virtuoso writer, but to say people read him only for his ideas seems a bit of a stretch. In my opinion one of the more fascinating things about him is exactly how powerful his characters and stories can be despite the plain and somewhat clunky prose.

[Anonymous No.10023098]

>>10023057
His characters are strong because of the believable psychology he puts into them and his deep insights into human psychology was included when I said people read him for his ideas.

[Anonymous No.10023108]

>>10022724
Based Lope de Vega

[Anonymous No.10023243]

>>10022086
For the love of the universe, read In Search of Lost Time, the whole set of 7 books. It takes you on a life changing perspective of life.

[Anonymous No.10023264]

>>10023019
Just fucking write Hilda Doolittle you fucking snob twat!

[Anonymous No.10023302]

>>10023243
But I can't read French!

[Anonymous No.10023381]

>>10022086
Herman Melville and Laurence Sterne.

Moby Dick and Tristram Shandy could be the greatest novels ever written in the English language

[Anonymous No.10023408]

>>10022944
>Wu Cheng'en
Specifically the Ghostface Killah

[Anonymous No.10023680]

>>10022086
>>10022983
>greatest authors of all time
>gay loser that lives in his mother's attic
>and a drunken irish pirate with a fart fetish that wrote run-on sentences
really makes you think

[Anonymous No.10023755]

U know its true

[Anonymous No.10023902]

>>10022124
>Bruno Schulz
alright, that is just ridiculous to include in a list of "best ever" in the same breath as kafka and faulkner. sure, schulz is good--a little too ornate and sentimental for my taste, though great at creating surreal happenings--but based on his scant output alone you can't claim he's reached the heights of a GOAT

[Anonymous No.10023924]

nobody has ever compared to cervantes and shakespeare, why do we have to have these threads so frequently

[Anonymous No.10024084]

>>10023680
Who was the gay one that lived in their moms attic?

[Anonymous No.10024266]

>>10022724
uyyyyy dios mio una vela *eats a taco*

[Anonymous No.10024322]

99.9% of novels are trash and a waste of time.
A good story should only take about 10-30 pages to tell.
Poe, Borges and Chekhov are the best writers ever.

[Anonymous No.10024367]

>>10022981
as much as i like HD this is simply not true

[Anonymous No.10024376]

>>10024322
Borges was mong tier for spreading this opinion which I don't think he even believed.

[Anonymous No.10024384]

>>10024084
Proust, of course.

[Anonymous No.10024393]

>>10023755
No fair posting yourself

[Anonymous No.10024398]

>>10024376
He's right and I'm serious as well.

There are the few novels in the canon everyone should read....Don Quixote, Madame Bovary, Crime and Punishment etc, but it truly is an inferior form of storytelling.

The short story cuts out all the unnecessary bullshit, and in a lot of ways it is more challenging to write. Any dumb schmuck can get an idea and stretch it out to 700 pages with boring subplots that add nothing to the story.
But crafting short stories forces you to make sure every sentence is flawless and no space is wasted.

[Anonymous No.10024414]

Definitely:
Shakespeare
Dante
Goethe
Proust
Joyce

Arguably:
Chaucer
Cervantes
Melville
Kafka

Underrated (imo):
William Blake

[Anonymous No.10024417]

>>10024398
One could go a step further and say poetry was superior to all other forms of writing, if we're going with shortest is the bestest.

[Anonymous No.10024424]

>>10024417
I mostly read poetry and short stories, so I partly agree with that statement.

[Anonymous No.10024425]

>>10024398
>crafting short stories forces you to make sure every sentence is flawless and no space is wasted
or you could do that over the course of a novel, which is even more impressive, since you did it for longer

[Anonymous No.10024457]

>>10024425
True, but like I said, there's a reason why roughly the same novels show up on every list of the best novels ever.

It's because out of the millions of novels written in history, only a handful are above average and worth your time to sit through.

So sure, everyone says to read Moby Dick and Ulysses because they are impressive works, but like you yourself even said, a true 10/10 novel is a rare achievement and only comes along once every 25 years or so.

[Anonymous No.10024474]

>>10024398
>Any dumb schmuck can get an idea and stretch it out to 700 pages

lol ok you do it

[Anonymous No.10024487]

>>10024457
so... short stories are the better medium because they're easier to write... and the writers who were good at them are therefore the best writers ever, despite there being authors out there who have written the best novels, which are harder to write... hmmmmmm

[Anonymous No.10025172]

>>10022213
No, Dante is not on Shakespeare's level. He's just another writer of epics, albeit an excellent one.

>>10022295
I'm not monolingual; I am fluent in French and have lesser capabilities in the other Romance languages and Latin. I have actually probably read more French than British novels. However, British poetry and drama is amazing.

>>10022711
I have read the other authors. I'll let you know what I think then.

>Joyce
Great novelist and psychologist. Revolutionized the novel (sort of - stream-of-consciousness is just a continuation of free and indirect discourse in prose), however, only a select few have chosen to write in his vein. Joyce's influence doesn't extend beyond a few elitists.

>Proust
I think Joyce said it best when he said something along the lines of "the reader finishes Proust's sentences before he does." They say he's more direct in French, but anytime I've opened him up in French, I discern no difference. Vastly overrated author. I would not even rank him with the best French novelists such as Flaubert or Stendhal. Even Maupassant is better than this mama's boy.

>Tolstoyevsky
It baffles me how people meme about Russian literature when there's only one author people actually read, Tolstoyevsky. Most of the Russian authors weren't even available in English until the 1920's because people wanted to understand why the Russian revolution happened; before then, Russian literature and culture was seen as backwards and irrelevant. What Tolstoyevsky said about Shakespeare's popularity being due to the work of German philologists is actually sort of true about the Rooshians; they were a historical curiosity that became popular because of a few edgy scenes that satisfy the edgelords such as that guy who kills the old lady and has dreams about donkeys being beaten.

>Dante
Again, just another writer of epics, although he certainly is a master of it. Obviously the Divine Comedy is far superior to, say, Don Juan by Lord Byron. Dante is the only writer here who comes close to Shakespeare and Homer. Maybe he belongs on the same tier as Homer which is within grasping distance of Shakespeare's tier?

>Homer
Homer is a baffling case because it's hard to imagine literature without him. It's a bit like that quote by Russell (?) about philosophy being a footnote to Homer. Literature would not be crippled too much if Joyce, Proust, and Tolstoyevsky had never existed. On the other hand, a world without Homer and Shakespeare is simply unimaginable. Since I am a modern, obviously Shakespeare is more comprehensible and his genius is far easier to comprehend. But Homer, it's a bit more of an effort.

tl;dr Other authors are great, but you're fooling yourself if you think any others deserve the designation "GOAT" equally with Shakespeare.

[Anonymous No.10025204]

>>10025172
>Russell (?) about philosophy being a footnote to Homer.

Whitehead.

You make reasoned points but most anons here are too myopic and committed to their favorites to accept it. I rate Dante higher than you do but whatever.

[Anonymous No.10025220]

>>10023302
doesn't matter. Ofc in the original it will be slightly more pleasing but french and english syntax ligns up so similarly. You'll love it.

[Anonymous No.10025279]

>>10025204
After I wrote that post, I had thought about it some more and realized I am judging Dante improperly. I reckon Homer is the best representation of the ancient, Dante of the medieval, and Shakespeare of the modern. Those poets mastered everything that came before them and made something new. You can't really say that about other authors.

I have to admit that I am not as familiar with Dante as I am the other authors, but I know how vital he is to the Middle Ages. Not giving him his credit where it is due is like slighting Bach's importance to the Baroque era. And classical music would be nothing without Bach just as the rest of literature would be without Dante.

I simply don't read as much Dante because my Italian is at an elementary level. I can read it properly, but I dislike having to look up every other word. I also remember when I had been studying Italian that Dante's Tuscan was pretty different in places from modern Italian.

Nonetheless we moderns have to
>start with the Anglos

[Anonymous No.10025326]

>>10022227
>>10022295
this

[Anonymous No.10025346]

Posting authors I haven't seen who I think deserve consideration

>Yeats
>Twain
>Hawthorne
>Poe
>Hemingway

[Anonymous No.10025351]

>>10025326
Anyone who thinks Shakespeare isn't the GOAT should be banned from the writing community at large

[Anonymous No.10025366]

>>10025346
Twain is a no brainier, and Poe is the only other one worth consideration there. The rest are nothing special - especially Hawthorne.

[Anonymous No.10025380]

>>10025366
How can you shit on Hemingway so badly? He is widely respected among the literary community. He's able to say so much with so few words. His rhetoric is second to none.

[Anonymous No.10025400]

>>10025380
I don't think I shit on him *that* badly, just said he was nothing to write home about. I love Hemingway and Poe even more, but GOAT I think not. I'm not even that big a fan of Twain, but i feel, in all honesty, that's he's better than Hemingway.

[Anonymous No.10025457]

>>10025346
I enjoy all of these authors but they're not GOAT; that's Shakespeare.

Besides, GREATEST is singular. Only one author can be the greatest. And he's Shakespeare.

[Anonymous No.10025473]

>>10025457
I agree with you phamalagm >>10025351

[Anonymous No.10025483]

>>10025473
Most other authors are too flawed, whereas it is very difficult to pick them out in Shakespeare. Chances are, if you think you've found a flaw in Shakespeare, you're really just misguided.

[Anonymous No.10025583]

>>10025483
Yeah the only flaw in Shakespeare is that he didn't wrote his plays

[Anonymous No.10025612]

REALLY?

[Anonymous No.10025623]

What about modern day authors? Like...from the past 15 years or so. Have there been any greats?

[Anonymous No.10025646]

>>10025623
Definitely not. I mean, there are some who have achieved a wide amount of fame, writers such as the postmoderns that are so famous on here (Pynchon, Wallace, etc.), but they're not geniuses, just pretentious followers of Joyce.

Either the novel has been explored fully (by the Modernists) or we're on the brink of discovering some radically different territory. Personally I wager we're not going to see anything new. We don't have an active critical culture as there was during the Modernist period.

Postmodernism is just a bunch of guys just on hobby projects in their garages and basements on little DIY projects. With Modernism, there was actually dialogue and influence being shared. Modernism was a golden age.

Anyway, I'm not sure where's the next frontier in literature, in terms of form. That's a million dollar question.

[Anonymous No.10025685]

>>10025483
I think Shakespeare has by far the best claim to GREATEST AUTHOR but it's blind bardolatry to deny his faults. His later stuff is largely perfect, but his early works are ridden with missteps as he practiced his craft.

[Anonymous No.10025688]

>>10025172
>He's just another writer of epics
If you're this shallow it's no wonder you can't see greatness when it pokes you in the eye.

[Anonymous No.10025769]

>>10025685
Hmmm, true. But even the Taming of the Shrew is better than Ulysses.

>>10025688
If you read on, you would see I backpedaled in another post.

Ancient GOAT: Homer
Medieval GOAT: Dante
Modern GOAT: Shakespeare

I was unfair to Dante because I'm just a bit pissed anyone could say 19th century novelists are as good as Shakespeare. He was collateral damage in my railing against people like Tolstoyevsky.

[Anonymous No.10025909]

>>10024398
Silence and blank pages, and letting the reader interpret the work as they please (they will read it as their own subjects anyways) is the best literature

[Anonymous No.10026034]

>>10025346
>Hemingway
>Even top 100.

[Anonymous No.10026180]

Dante, Shakespeare, Cervantes, Goethe, Joyce, Proust, Mann

[Anonymous No.10026183]

>>10022981
You post about this woman everyday anon.
Are you okay?

[Anonymous No.10026357]

Petrescu Camil

[Anonymous No.10026513]

>>10025172
I get being dumb, but I don't get spending so much time and effort to showcase your stupidity.

[Anonymous No.10026719]

>>10026513
Did I step on someone's toes? Are you a butthurt non-Anglo?

[Anonymous No.10026739]

>>10025769
>But even the Taming of the Shrew is better than Ulysses.

Defend this statement. Not a personal attack or anything and I said earlier (>>10025204) I generally agree with your points but I'm gonna need you to elaborate on this, since I obviously disagree.

[Anonymous No.10026959]

Despite Nabokov's opinion, Balzac is generally considered to be one of the best of all time. Lost Illusions is nearly a masterpiece.

[Anonymous No.10026978]

>>10025172
>philosophy footnote to homer
It's Plato you fukin pleb. Cant even get that right for fucks sake

[Anonymous No.10027061]

>>10026183
Not everyday, and I actually got few other people posting now.
Read trilogy anon, it's the best thing modernism has to offer.

[Anonymous No.10027101]

Okay, guys, I'm dropping the bomb. Would you consider Tolkien goat author? I haven't read the books, but I did read some passages of them, and it's a quite nice, comfortable read, suitable to the tone and overall message of the books. Saying he is shit tier just because his work was high fantasy doesn't count. I wanna know about his style of writing and the way he could tell a story.

I mean, in his own genre, he is way above other authors such as Rowling, Martin and many other faggots.

[Anonymous No.10027349]

>>10022979
Oh, fuck off.

[Anonymous No.10027530]

>>10027101
>l I haven't read the books,
stopped reading right here. fuck off.

[Anonymous No.10027644]

>>10026739
Ok, I'll admit I was shitposting when I said the bit about Taming of the Shrew. I also wasn't fair to Dante. I won't fuck up thrice.

>>10026978
No, I was making an analogy to the famous quote, you mong.

[Anonymous No.10027896]

>>10027530
>im autistic - the post

[Anonymous No.10027899]

>>10027896
kys

[Anonymous No.10028373]

>>10027899
kys

[Anonymous No.10030151]

>>10025172
>Dante
>Again, just another writer of epics

Ok, ok, I have seen your rectification but on a side note this really reminds me how we should be humble with our judgements giving how deep our ignorance can be

[Anonymous No.10031100]

>>10022086
ok. ok. wow. just. ok. here are the true rankings, and I would go as far as saying that the rest of fiction as a whole is a waste of time, and you're better off reading poetry or watching TV instead of reading authors who are not in this list

SUPREME MASTER GOD TIER: THE MASTER OF ALL IN THE KINGDOM OF GREAT WRITERS IN HUMAN HISTORY, AT THE TOP OF THE HIGHEST TOWER, MASTURBATING 10-15 TIMES PER DAY, AS THE HAND WITH WHICH HE WRITES ARTISTIC MASTERPIECES IS MORE SEXUALLY APPEALING THAN ANY ADONIS THE GODS CAN CONJURE
>Proust

VICE-SUPREME MASTER GOD TIER: THE ONLY WRITER DESERVING TO BE IN SAME ROOM AS THE SUPREME MASTER GOD
>Joyce

GOD TIER: OCCUPYING THE MARBLE CASTLE WITH THE SUPREME AND VICE SUPREME MASTER GOD
>Tolstoy
>Homer
>Dante
>Dostoevsky
>Shakespeare

ANGELIC DEMON TIER: PATROLLING THE CASTLE WALLS OF THE GOD TIERS AND ABOVE, AND DOING THEIR BIDDING ACROSS THE UNIVERSE, CAPTURING AND PILLAGING ENTIRE PLANETS TO TO INTO PLANET-SIZED "THE MATRIX"-TYPE BODY HARVESTING FARMS, BUT THEY HARVEST HUMAN FARTS INSTEAD OF ELECTRICITY, PACKED IN DIAMOND JARS, FOR THE FART-LOVING PROUST AND JOYCE TO HOLD UP TO THEIR NOSES AND SHIFT THEIR NOSES LEFT AND RIGHT ALONG THE RIM OF THE JAR LIKE SNIFFING A FINE WINE, THEN TAKING A HUMONGOUS INHALE AND ACHIEVING UNFATHOMABLE ORGASM, "AH, A 2017 RUSSIAN LUMBERJACK FART, GOOD YEAR" THEY SAY, NODDING THEIR HEADS AT THE ANGELIC DEMONS WHO DO THEIR BIDDING, THE ANGELIC DEMONS' HEARTS FILLED WITH JOY AT THE HONOR OF SERVING THEIR MASTERS
>Goethe
>Kafka
>Chekhov
>Morrissey
>Nabakov
>Melville
>Chaucer
>Cervantes
>Ambrose motherfucking Bierce!

HONORABLE DRAGON WORK CREATURE TIER: THESE WRITERS' SOULS HAVE POSSESSED THE BODIES OF DRAGONS WITH LIME GREEN FUR AND FLORESCENT TIGER STRIPES WHO BREATHE GAMMA RAY BURSTS AND CIRCLE THE SUPREME MASTER GOD'S KINGDOM BY THE MILLIONS, AND OPERATE AS A HIVE MIND, AND HAVE BEEN GENETICALLY MODIFIED WITH TARDIGRADE DNA TO SURVIVE IN SPACE AND EVEN BLACK HOLES, TO HONOR WORKS THAT I ENJOYED PERSONALLY BUT THAT MAY NOT BE AS JUSTIFIED ON AN ARTISTIC LEVEL BY CONSENSUS
>Hesse
>Pynchon
>Hemingway
>Foster Wallace
>Woolf
>Flaubert
>George Eliot
>Balzac
>Borges

[Anonymous No.10031160]

>>10031100
double doubles confirms

[Anonymous No.10031231]

>>10025457
lol, greatest can be plural as well

[Anonymous No.10031251]

>>10025457
You FUCKING nerd..

[Anonymous No.10031256]

>>10031100
Ok, I forgive the Proust shitposter who's been clogging the boards. This was amusing.

[Anonymous No.10031266]

>>10031251
You wanna go, bitch? Fight me.

[Anonymous No.10031299]

Pessoa is the best modernist author, better than Joyce.

[Anonymous No.10031312]

>>10023098
In order to communicate the deep psychological ideas, the prose must at least be, in those cases, powerful and with an economy of language

Dejavue writing this post

[Anonymous No.10031313]

>>10031299
I always laugh when some Brazilian or Portuguese schmuck namedrops someone like Pessoa or that other guy Saramago. What is it like being on the fringe of Western culture?

[Anonymous No.10032895]

[Anonymous No.10032912]

Montaigne.

[Anonymous No.10033071]

>>10031100
/board

[Anonymous No.10033104]

>>10032895
King is questionable, but Stine does not belong there.

[Anonymous No.10033355]

>>10022086
I can tell you which ones are fundamentally canon authors in two languages ( the ones I know )

Romanian: Mihai Eminescu
English: William Shakespeare
NOT: Christopher Marlowe
NOT: Geoffrey Chaucer

No point to bother to share my opinion about other languages - if I can't read the original what's the point?
I was seriously contemplating to learn ancient Greek tho.

[Anonymous No.10033475]

Savitri Devi.

[Anonymous No.10034613]

>>10025279

great shit, you're admitting you're talking out of your ass. you're admitting you're talking about authors you haven't even read. this is the state of /lit/ in the year of 2017

[Anonymous No.10034935]

>>10031100
>Ambrose motherfucking Bierce

hell yeah

[Anonymous No.10035110]

>>10022086
It's nice to see Proust held to the same regard that I hold him. Aside from his philosophically brilliant and stylistically delightful epic, I identify with prose as a person and an artist. You see, according to letters from Proust to his loved ones, he was a chronic masturbator.

Not like your average adolescent, we're talking 10-15 times a day, well into his late 30s. It's no wonder he didn't start seriously writing ISOLT/Swann's Way until the late age of 38, because his wrist must've been devoid of cartilage by afe 35 requiring strenous recovery, like how some 30-year-old NBA players have the knees of an 80-year-old after a modest career. I too have this problem, it's a curse. But it's comforting in knowing that there is an upper echelon of chronic masturbators who are brilliant artists and philosophers and minds throughout human history. It comforts me knowing that when I die there might be a glowing castle in the clouds where all the great chronic masturbators throughout history occupy, and Proust, from the highest tower, upon seeing my one normal arm and muscular arm with a chaffed lumberjack palm, blows smoky stardust from his divine pipe and shouts "Lower the bridge, he's one of us!", and I am greeted with Target 5 for $5 hand creams as I take my rightful place in eternity

[Anonymous No.10035227]

Nietzsche is the ultimate prose stylist and everyone who disagrees has literal autism

[Anonymous No.10035232]

>>10035110
based Proust poster

[Anonymous No.10035254]

>>10031100
This is most acurate that all those autistic "/lit/'s fav books xD"

[Anonymous No.10035257]

>>10035254
more*

[Anonymous No.10035625]

>>10031100
I'm ok with this although I haven't read proust, but the rest of the list makes up for it. also would trade dosto with cervantes and goethe

[Anonymous No.10035690]

>>10035110

[Anonymous No.10035744]

>>10035110

Thy will be done

[Anonymous No.10035853]

>>10022142

Shut the fuck up, Bloom.

[Anonymous No.10036513]

>>10022086

S E B A L D

G A S S

K E A T S

R I M B A U D

B E C K E T T

R U S K I N

S T E I N

L O W R Y

H A R T C R A N E

[Anonymous No.10036541]

[Anonymous No.10036543]

I would say Tao Lin is the best modern author.

[Anonymous No.10037532]

the absolute state of anglo delusion itt lmfao

[Anonymous No.10037817]

No single man can ever compare to generations of tradition.

[Anonymous No.10037823]

>>10035110
I want this to get bigger and bigger everytime it gets posted

[Anonymous No.10037829]

>>10022124
>Bruno Schulz
Who?

>Tournier
You're not serious.

[Anonymous No.10037964]

>>10022964
>I thought Shakespeare was revered everywhere except perhaps France

Shakespare is very highly rated in France since the 70s, and by that I mean the 1770s, m8

[Anonymous No.10037973]

>>10023302
English translations of Proust are satisfactory, don't worry.

[Anonymous No.10038082]

>>10025172
>>Proust
>I think Joyce said it best when he said something along the lines of "the reader finishes Proust's sentences before he does." They say he's more direct in French, but anytime I've opened him up in French, I discern no difference. Vastly overrated author. I would not even rank him with the best French novelists such as Flaubert or Stendhal. Even Maupassant is better than this mama's boy.

oh man, this so hard, although i'd replace stendhal with balzac or huysmans.

idea that proust was one of the best writers of the 20th century will not outlive the 21st.

[Anonymous No.10038119]

>>10025646
>whos toni morrison

[Anonymous No.10038471]

>>10038119
A: least deserving Nobel laureate

and that's with dylan included mind you

[Anonymous No.10038638]

>>10036513
R I M B A U D
B E C K E T T
ftfy

[Anonymous No.10038648]

>>10035110

>and Proust, from the highest tower, upon seeing my one normal arm and muscular arm with a chaffed lumberjack palm, blows smoky stardust from his divine pipe and shouts "Lower the bridge, he's one of us!"

lmao. this is great.

[Anonymous No.10038728]

>>10038119
That sheboon? Haha. Oh, haha. Mmmm...

No.

[Anonymous No.10038755]

Louis-Ferdinand Céline !

[Anonymous No.10038759]

>>10038755
I love the way the French do that thing with the exclamation point !! And also why the same with the question marks ? It has a certain ... « je ne sais quoi » ... non?

[Anonymous No.10038830]

This thread.
>No poets besides Dante, Homer and Shakespeare (Wow! You guys are so knowledgeable!)
>No Boccaccio
>No Dickens
>Only authors mentioned are anglocore memes
>Fucking DFW
>Dante is another writer of epics
>Russian authors not being immediately appreciated by anglos (L M A O) somehow makes them less worthy.
Neck yourselves.

[Anonymous No.10038837]

>>10038830
I would also add
>No Ibsen
>No Greek tragedians

[Anonymous No.10038855]

>>10022086
Sorry, Dostoyevsky was a hack. Nabokov BTFO Dostoyevsky a while ago. He was also a religious nut, a prophet, and he used his works to proselytize his religious message. You can wobble up to me and tell me hurr durr tips fedora stupid atheist, you will never understand, but the fact alone is one of the reasons why I will never take Dostoyevsky seriously.

[Anonymous No.10039410]

Whats with the Proust hate? Are you guys really that retarded?

[Anonymous No.10039427]

>>10038830

>No Boccaccio

And I'm fucking glad

[Anonymous No.10039517]

>>10038855
Great works of literature and arts in general have always been religious to a cerain degree, dumbass. Being religious is not why Dosteoievsky is praised. If thats why you can't appreciate his works, then yes, you are a fedora stupid atheist.
And Nabokov is a great but his opinions aren't always good

[Anonymous No.10039596]

>>10039427
p l e b
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[Anonymous No.10039742]

>>10023381
Excellent taste my man

[Anonymous No.10039748]

>>10039410
↓
>>10022227

[Anonymous No.10039750]

>>10038082
>Proust below Maupassant
>Huysmans on Balzac's level

You're so wrong it almost becomes a kind of talent

>>10038759
Also with : and ; because it's more legible !

[Anonymous No.10039751]

>>10039748
Makes sense

[Anonymous No.10039752]

>>10023902
>>10037829
Pseuds

[Anonymous No.10039771]

>>10039596
I like Boccaccio a lot, but what's your rationale to put him on the level of Dante, Shakespeare or Dostoevsky?

[Anonymous No.10039807]

Test

[Anonymous No.10039827]

What is the best English release/translation of James Joyce's Ulysses and Finnegan's Wake?

I think my bookshop has Penguin Classic one.

[Anonymous No.10039848]

>>10039827
The one James Joyce wrote

[Anonymous No.10039862]

>>10022136
I honestly look forward to understanding all the jokes from TS it's going to take me twenty years to get.

[Anonymous No.10039875]

>>10033104
Neither does Lovecraft, really. He does the same "it's 2spooky4u to understand" bullshit in pretty much every story. He has a few great stories, but I wouldn't call him a "master." The only "master of terror" in that image is Poe, whom Lovecraft aped extensively.

[Anonymous No.10039926]

>>10039771
Are you serious? Decameron is one of the most influential and appreciated works of literature of all time. He invented the concept of storytelling for the sake of storytelling. He breaked with the tradition of medieval didactism and moralism. He's one of the first authors to use polyphony in literature. He's also one of the first authors to focus on the human experience per se. His work was one of the main influences on humanism and renaissance. His Decameron is the very definition of a classic: a book that has been read (everytime in a different light, because the ways in which one could interpret his masterwork are endless) and appreciated in every age by every critic. Not to mention he was the main influence on Chaucer. I don't put him in the same level as Dante or Shakespeare but he's miles ahead of Dostoevskij.

[Anonymous No.10039952]

>>10039926
nigga the Greeks have been doing that for 1000 years

[Anonymous No.10039967]

>>10039952
Greeks breaked away with the traditional didactism and moralism of the middle ages?
The more you know.

[Anonymous No.10039971]

>>10039967
>storytelling
>polyphony
>other meaningless buzzwords

[Anonymous No.10039977]

>>10039971
Wut? How are those "meaningless buzzwords"? Am i being le trolled?

[Anonymous No.10040190]

>>10031100
If only every post on /lit/ were as inspired as this.

[Anonymous No.10040659]

>>10039926
The first =/= the best and deepest.

[Anonymous No.10041253]

>>10040659
did you even read the posJEUS FUCJKASFI this board is fucking retarded
fuck off

[Anonymous No.10041333]

>>10038471
>A: least deserving Nobel laureate
Sez who? /pol/? Neck yourself

[Anonymous No.10041544]

>>10041333
No Morrison is just bad has absolutely nothing to do with pol memes. you neck yourself

[Anonymous No.10041556]

>>10022142
> Shakespeare
> best ever

High school English teacher pseud detected.

[Anonymous No.10042082]

>>10022996
This. Plebs haven't even seen the Rodin statue

[Anonymous No.10042312]

>>10023755
It is

[Anonymous No.10042398]

>>10041253
>Q: why is Boccaccio the greatest?
>A: he's the first to have done this and that
>Q: but being the first doesn't mean he's the greatest, surely?
>A: fuck you

Nice arguments.

[Anonymous No.10042647]

>>10042398
Nice reading comprehension retard.

[Anonymous No.10043606]

Is there any Proust I can read that is not 4000 pages?

[Anonymous No.10043641]

Is there anyway to read Proust without commuting to 4000 fucking pages?

[Anonymous No.10043715]

Is Don Quixote depressing? I've been wanting to read it, but I'm an optimist, and the idea of a man chasing his dreams, but actually being a complete jackass idiot, is sort of depressing to me.

[Anonymous No.10044148]

>>10042647
No you're the retard hahahah XD

>>10043606
>>10043641
Start with the first book (a few hundred pages) and see how far it goes for you.

[Anonymous No.10044436]

>>10031100
>no Faulkner
What the fuck are you even doing, nigger?