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[Anonymous No.10004961]

examples of anti-idpol leftists?

[Anonymous No.10004974]

Stalin
Can't give 'em identity if u can't even give 'em food
lol

[Anonymous No.10004987]

>>10004974
kulaks deserved it etc

[Anonymous No.10004998]

>>10004974
Not real communism idiot

[Anonymous No.10005004]

>>10004974
Except stalin wanted everyone to have their national identity you idiot

[Anonymous No.10005010]

>>10004974
>le food meme

[Anonymous No.10005015]

post some brocialists thanks

[Anonymous No.10005035]

>>10004961
I really have no idea what this book is about
>Ideology is, like, really sublime, man
>Namechecking intensifies

[Anonymous No.10005039]

>>10005010
this
who needs the food meme when you have socialism

[Anonymous No.10005065]

>>10004974
>>10004987
>>10004998
>>10005039
Famines are only in le evil socialist countries guise lol fuck libtards xDDD

[Anonymous No.10005076]

Louis Althusser, Walter Benjamin, Adorno, Gramsci, Horkheimer, Marcuse, Habermas, Lukács, Fromm, Arendt... whatever you mean by ''idpol'' is a recent development, and if you read even the likes of Judith Butler you'll find her theory is incompatible with the accelerated gender-bending we see in online subcultures. And if you want someone who actively attacks this kind of thing, Camile Paglia does that pretty ardently, I'm not a huge fan of hers but agree on some points.

Remember that no political philosophy is exempt from traces of identitarianism, nor should it be.

>>10005035
What goes on in that little head of yours, anon?

[Anonymous No.10005086]

>>10005065
capitalism is shitty senpai
that is why you ought to be cool socialist like me

[Anonymous No.10005091]

>>10005076
thanks for the suggestions

[Anonymous No.10005105]

>>10005091
You have so many marxists, really. Including even the French like Badiou, Ranciére...

Marxist feminists like Nina Power write things like: “Zillah Eisenstein uses the term ‘decoy’ to describe the way in which ‘imperialist democracy’ covers over its structural sins with a thin veneer of representational respectability: ‘The manipulation of race and gender as decoys for democracy reveals the corruptibility of identity politics.’ Getting women and ethnic minorities into positions of power is not necessarily going to improve the lives of women and ethnic minorities in general, and certainly hasn’t so far.”

Unless you're Negri or a disciple of his, you understand this intentional division of humankind within the same country for what it is: pitting prole against prole, dividing markets into precise demographics, and most importantly preventing inter-prole dialogue, let alone a revolution.

In the case of black vs white, for instance:
>Only one fear was greater than the fear of black rebellion in the new American colonies. That was the fear that discontented whites would join black slaves to overthrow the existing order.
http://www.historyisaweapon.com/defcon1/zinncolorline.html

But do start over from good ole Karl himself. Funny how the people who are most terrified of him turn out to agree with him the most.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1g6XaOX8RldHRg_JradONkS99oE6uC5dc9EuyOa5rips/edit

[Anonymous No.10005117]

>>10005076
>>10005105
what i mean by idpol is people who think giving everything over to muh minorities will solve anything and reactionaries who think why pipol controlling capitalism will fix it too, neither of those are particularly recent.

i don't give a shit where traps shit or whether feminists are in gaming

[Anonymous No.10005162]

>>10005117
but i should also say retards like Derrida are out of the question ofc

[Anonymous No.10005246]

>>10005117
You want Marx ofc

[Anonymous No.10005248]

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[Anonymous No.10005306]

>>10005246
>>10005248
i've read some Marx but retards constantly say hurr dead white male theory or socialism doesn't work

at this point i'm a radical centrist liberal and i hope whoever takes over lets me live and just subjugates my boipussy

[Anonymous No.10005333]

>>10005306
>retards constantly say hurr dead white male theory or socialism doesn't work
If only you could form your own opinion without submitting to people you know to be retards

>I'm a radical centrist liberal
So are idpolers

>whoever takes over lets me live
Peace was never an option

[Anonymous No.10005357]

>>10005333
>If only you could form your own opinion
I do have one though, I mean it comes out in practice as centrism because neither will reform. There is no war but the 29423948928340242 wars consisting within them.

[Anonymous No.10005401]

>>10005333
also i don't know how you can say white nationalists are centrist liberals lol

[Anonymous No.10005423]

read any marxist. the only identity you should care about is class identity.

[Anonymous No.10005854]

>>10005401
Economic policy lol

[Anonymous No.10005891]

>>10005423
cosmopolitan idiot, your ancestors weep in shame

[Anonymous No.10005981]

>>10005854
except for the fascistic control of economics/luxury markets isn't liberal

[Anonymous No.10006022]

>>10005981
another case of imaginary enemies, never mind

[Anonymous No.10006037]

>>10006022
what did you mean by this?

[Anonymous No.10006040]

>>10004961
'Idpol'/'sjw' is just a right wing snarlword for empathy and basic human decency. Marginalised folks like queers and PoC are tired of having their humanity denied and diminished by society. why is it that hard to understand? If you are against 'idpol' you are simply not a leftist. period.

[Anonymous No.10006053]

[Anonymous No.10006055]

>>10006040
do not marginalize my experience as a queer person by saying i'm not a leftist. you do not not understand my instersectional struggle therefore you have no place to comment on my request.

[Anonymous No.10006065]

>>10006040
>are tired of having their humanity denied and diminished by society.
I'm not; get on your queer snark game, baby boy

[Anonymous No.10006072]

>>10006055
t. straight passing white cisgay.

[Anonymous No.10006075]

[Anonymous No.10006077]

Leftist technocrats/futurists.
You know those "selective science" tards over at RBE/Zeitgeist/Venus Project.
Those who claim everything necessary can be automated/done by machines/AI. Including government/resource management.
These guys hate money and being lumped in together with communists.

There are also "advanced" basic income advocates.

[Anonymous No.10006083]

>>10006072
i'm so low-t that i've been asked by the biggest dudebrocialists for gender pronouns millions of times. fuck off.

[Anonymous No.10006086]

>id pol
>left
nope. those guys are social-democrats at best

[Anonymous No.10006092]

>>10005065
>the government prioritised military and defense needs over those of the rural poor, allocating medical care and food immensely in the favour of the military, labourers in military industries, and civil servants. All of these factors were further compounded by restricted access to grain: domestic sources were constrained by emergency inter-provincial trade barriers, while access to international sources was largely denied by the War Cabinet of Great Britain. The relative impact of each of these contributing factors to the death toll and economic devastation is still a matter of controversy. Different analyses frame the famine against natural, economic, or political causes.
>free market actions
pic one

[Anonymous No.10006096]

>>10006092
>that wasn't real capitalism
>unjustified deaths happened under socialism
pick one

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!Srz2lnO/STC No.10006098]

>>10004961
Leftists.
Most anti-capitalists >>10005248 & >>10006053

>>10005306
>hurr dead white male theory or socialism doesn't work
Those would be liberals, defenders of capitalism, masters of divisiveness.

[Anonymous No.10006144]

>>10006098
i have heard the former phrase from dozens of proclaimed leftists unironically tho

[Anonymous No.10006209]

>>10006098
liberals are right wing now?

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!Srz2lnO/STC No.10006238]

>>10006144
I don't know who you mean, so I have no way of questioning them to see where they are politically, but a hammer and sickle shirt does not make one a full convert. It's likely you're talking about college students who are transitioning from progressive/soc-dem to some form of leftism. The social issues are still clogging their heads obviously.

>>10006209
Left-liberals (social-democrat/progressives) are centrist at best. HRC for one is a right-liberal the same as Mitt Romney, yet she's considered some kind of leftist to the brainwashed.

[Anonymous No.10006263]

>>10006209
read marx

[Anonymous No.10006270]

>>10004961
I know this board hates him but chomsky is just as skeptical of identity politics as zizek

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[Anonymous No.10006296]

>>10006270
he also hates Zizek so this is top 10 anime betrayal material

[Anonymous No.10006297]

>>10005162
just imagine if the left had taken after Deleuze instead of the vulgarised secondhand protestant interpretation of Derrida/Foucault peddled by Californian academic carreerists. we would have full schizophrenic communism by now sm h.

[Anonymous No.10006300]

tfw to smart

[Anonymous No.10006305]

>>10006300
>>10006302
wew lad

[Anonymous No.10006306]

[Anonymous No.10006316]

>>10006297
it would help if they all didn't basically speak in tongues and didn't try to imply they should be taken seriously in hard sciences

[Anonymous No.10006324]

t

[Anonymous No.10006327]

i'm interested in theory about planned economy, and doing research on how we can overcome calculation problem in the modern economy, but have no interest in horrid marxist politics, the masses of gender-non-conforming LGBT non-white students who always protest, and certainly no desire for any sort of violent revolution. layman marxists need to appreciate that any intellectual solution to their problems will come from a bourgeois richboy like me. sadly, leftism is even more edgy and juvenile than most of the right.

[Anonymous No.10006340]

>>10006316
the problem is most 'leftists' are petty bourgeois carrerists and aspiring managers who ultimately don't even want to subvert society and who are far too enamoured of fixed categories to speak in tongues and convulse possessed by schizophrenic entities from the plane of immanence. These people are managers, human resources bureaucrats with no revolutionary vision beyond 'more women in STEM' and more black superheroes. God, Nick Land's evil technocapitalist AI can't come soon enough.

[Anonymous No.10006351]

>>10006297
deleuze was a quack

[Anonymous No.10006451]

>>10006327
that's why i support muh bourgeois richboy overlords with dosh to create an utter technotopia with my dirty LGBT cash

[Anonymous No.10006475]

>>10005065

fyi whataboutism doesn't abolish the crimes of your ideology

[Anonymous No.10006518]

>>10006475
ya no duh

no one actually likes tankies

[Anonymous No.10006625]

>>10006351
this. I only listen to rational science based intellectuals like Auguste Comte and Sam Harris

[Anonymous No.10006712]

>>10006625
BODY WITHOUT ORGANS BRO LET'S CRUSH CAPITALISM BY BEING WEIRD xD