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Anonymous Mon, May 26, 2014 17:57:36 No.4937522 [DELETED]

Why do people like this? I've heard people say he gives a realistic voice to teenagers, but I can't remember a single person I knew in high school or middle school who spoke like ANY of Green's characters.

On top of that, this book is so into itself. There is a scene where the two main characters make out at the Anne Frank museum of all places and are applauded by a crowd.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rzer1bb_ogo

>>	Anonymous Mon, May 26, 2014 18:01:01 No.4937539 stop and think: "isn't there something better I could be doing than whining on 4CHAN about how crappy YOUNG ADULT fiction is?"

>>	Anonymous Mon, May 26, 2014 18:04:07 No.4937554 >>4937539 I'm just killing time until I have to leave for the theater and the thought came to me during a post-shower towel off.

Anonymous Mon, May 26, 2014 23:46:24 No.4938553

It made me cry.

Realistic portrayal of teenagers? Yea fucking right, but I did enjoy the characters and their sense of humor. I do think he captured a sense of "having cancer" very well. As in, the characters seemed to truly live moment to moment, but still spending those moments trying to make future moments better. Who's to say that having cancer around the time of your first period wouldn't make you into some esoteric word loving, cynical, vegetarian? Life was portrayed as valuable, which was a nice change from most novels. Whether they involve "Hunger Games" or "Thought Police"...it's easy to create conflict when your characters assume the world would be a better place without the presence of "The Worthless People".

Anyway...been reading John Green since I was like...16. I'm now familiar with his style and certainly have some nostalgia goggles even when reading his "current" works. So, take what I say with just a dash more salt that usual.

>>	Anonymous Mon, May 26, 2014 23:54:07 No.4938579 >>4938553 I have cancer and I didn't think he captured it well at all

>>	Anonymous Tue, May 27, 2014 00:00:01 No.4938585 One could argue it tries to capture how teenagers feel, not how they talk.

>>	Anonymous Tue, May 27, 2014 00:02:05 No.4938589 >>4937522 /lit/ writes a letter to John Green: http://pastebin.com/TWX2KpEh

>>	Anonymous Tue, May 27, 2014 00:02:57 No.4938593 >>4937522 Well I suppose some people think this way. White teenage girls.

>>	Anonymous Tue, May 27, 2014 00:09:39 No.4938604 >>4937522 this video needs a Simon Cowell type character to reel it back.

>>	Anonymous Tue, May 27, 2014 00:10:59 No.4938606 >>4938579 If you have cancer and you're on 4chan, you're doing life wrong. Also, we don't like cancer around here, /b/ro.

>>	Anonymous Tue, May 27, 2014 00:12:47 No.4938610 Is this book worth my time at all? I'm a sucker for depressing literature and I had people telling me to read this but just watching one clip from the movie made me cringe.

>>	Anonymous Tue, May 27, 2014 00:25:03 No.4938640 >>4937522 >On top of that, this book is so into itself. Dude, this hack specializes in that kind of thing. It's absolutely disgusting.

>>	Anonymous Tue, May 27, 2014 00:26:07 No.4938643 >>4938606 Oh, I'm doing life wrong? I didn't know there was a right way to do it. I'm doing what I want to do. Is that bad?

>>	Anonymous Tue, May 27, 2014 00:26:35 No.4938644 >>4937522 >On top of that, this book is so into itself. There is a scene where the two main characters make out at the Anne Frank museum of all places and are applauded by a crowd. I may have to read "The Fault in Our Stars."

Anonymous Tue, May 27, 2014 00:30:11 No.4938654

I have mixed feelings. Green preaches constantly about how unrealistically perfect portrayals of teens are in fictional media, yet the central characters are basically perfect excluding the petrol station scene (which seems like a rushed addition). Of course, there's also the complaint that it's extremely over-written, which is the case. Although, before my friend died of cancer he started to get real philosophical and speak in quotables (which was just as cringey as the dialogue in this book). I did find a couple of scenes affecting, the eulogy and Facebook scenes particularly.

>>	Anonymous Tue, May 27, 2014 00:30:56 No.4938655 >>4937522 >cancer >disability >quiet teens >Anne Frank museum Green discovered Mawkish 2 Da Maxx=instant success He sure knows how to milk the udder of sentimentality

Anonymous Tue, May 27, 2014 00:31:27 No.4938656
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>>4938606
>implying people with cancer immediately recieve 500,000 dollars to use at whim after their first chemo treatment
>implying people with cancer feel up to moving around and playing basketball and going on life-altering hikes through Europe
>implying you know what cancer is like
>implying you aren't a mentally inept forever alone, helpless in all social settings and life

just do it already, you think about it enough

>>	Anonymous Tue, May 27, 2014 00:49:00 No.4938692 >>4938606 Do you think people start sky-diving the moment they get diagnosed?

>>	Anonymous Tue, May 27, 2014 00:51:29 No.4938700 >>4938610 It's just yet ANOTHER one of those stories that scream at you "ENJOY YOUR LIFE ALREADY, GODDAMNIT! LOOK AT THIS SAD GUY WHO'S GOING TO DIE!". The same story you've seen/read/heard a thousand times before.

>>	Anonymous Tue, May 27, 2014 00:53:18 No.4938707 >>4938656 You're right. This is obviously the place to be if you have cancer. I'm such a dummy for thinking it would be a waste of precious little time. Doi!

>>	Anonymous Tue, May 27, 2014 00:57:39 No.4938722 >>4938707 You realise he could be confined to a hospital bed for treatment? People aren't able to visit you every hour of the day and if you're over 18 it's likely their won't be much entertainment for you, you need to pass the time.

Anonymous Tue, May 27, 2014 00:59:05 No.4938726

>>4938707
I can hardly get out of my bed without throwing up. Please, tell me how to live my life to make you feel better while I'm dealing with all the toxins in my body right now bro.

I like coming here. It's fun. Shitposting and the inside jokes make me forget about it sometimes

>>	Anonymous Tue, May 27, 2014 01:03:12 No.4938731 >>4938726 That's right, just run from the cancer. Escapism is where it's at. You don't even need cancer to know that. Just ask Jamal.

>>	Anonymous Tue, May 27, 2014 01:05:03 No.4938735 >>4938731 Would you rather me just sit and mope all day?

>>	& !iPPJNUVL2g Tue, May 27, 2014 01:20:48 No.4938756 >>4938731 Shut the fuck up already

>>	Anonymous Tue, May 27, 2014 01:22:43 No.4938759 >>4938731 Are you okay, buddy?

>>	Anonymous Tue, May 27, 2014 01:24:42 No.4938764 >>4938735 Man, get yourself a moto-wheelchair, and go around with your medi-weed. You'll make tons of friends and then you can get head from the gay ones. (because you're gay)

Anonymous Tue, May 27, 2014 01:29:14 No.4938770

>>4938610
It's a truly awful piece of work. The characters are pretentious shits who Green arms with desperate literary references to simulate wit, the characters are two-dimensional cut-outs that the author uses as a sounding board to bemoan his personal peeves, and honestly the worst part is that it's just dull. Who knew talking about imminent death could be so boring, by the end of it I was praying for one of the cancer-riddled Fitzgerald-wannabee's to go on a shooting rampage, just for some development.

It's Twilight for pseudo-intellectuals, save your time and avoid it.

>>	Anonymous Tue, May 27, 2014 05:36:31 No.4939191 >>4938606 HURR WORLD IS UR OYSTER BRAH You're one of those "When i'm sad, I stop being sad and start being awesome" fuckers, aren't you?

>>	Anonymous Tue, May 27, 2014 05:40:30 No.4939197 >>4938610 Read Oblomov, I still have depression

Anonymous Tue, May 27, 2014 10:35:39 No.4939654
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>>4938589
>Philosophicopsychological transubstantiationalists, counterpropogandizing historicocabalistical floccipaucinihilipilifications anthropomorphologically, undenominationalized theologicometaphysical antidisestablishmentarianisms honorificabilitubinitadibus.

>>	Anonymous Tue, May 27, 2014 10:42:39 No.4939674 >>4937539 As opposed to being on 4chan defending some crappy book?

>>	Anonymous Tue, May 27, 2014 10:46:15 No.4939679 Hey remember Rent

>>	Anonymous Tue, May 27, 2014 10:46:39 No.4939682 >>4938606 >"son, you have cancer" >"oh great, now I am instantly cool" >proceeds to do a kickflip on a skateboard, visit Paris and find true love

>>	Anonymous Tue, May 27, 2014 10:48:53 No.4939687 CRIPPLES WITH CANCER ARE YOU FEELING FOR THEM YET

Anonymous Tue, May 27, 2014 11:00:00 No.4939713

I think it's fine that teenage girls like it, even though I can't stand it I can get the appeal. There's a lot of better young adult fiction that just has good stories and characters and is fun to read imo. Not everything you read has to have artistic value.

>>	Anonymous Tue, May 27, 2014 11:07:07 No.4939733 >>4939713 And not everything that isn't artistic has to be shit Fuck that argument it doesn't justify anything

>>	Anonymous Tue, May 27, 2014 11:32:36 No.4939802 >>4939713 >implying adults aren't gushing over it as well >implying that's not a problem

>>	Anonymous Tue, May 27, 2014 11:49:19 No.4939842 The book is an amalgamation of horrendous clichés and bad writing. The plot was designed to jerk the tears of the stupid and lazy. Bad. Book.

>>	Anonymous Tue, May 27, 2014 11:57:13 No.4939857 >>4938553 It's not a realistic portrayal of teenagers; it's a realistic portrayal of what teenagers think they are, subtract the cancer.

>>	Anonymous Tue, May 27, 2014 16:39:53 No.4940703 More More!!! >tfw being John Green

>>	Anonymous Tue, May 27, 2014 16:43:26 No.4940711 File: 15 KB, 318x159, images (2).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4937522 Just read Nisio Asano. Punpun,of all things.

>>	Anonymous Tue, May 27, 2014 21:05:44 No.4941483 >>4937539 >stop talking about literature on a literature board

>>	Anonymous Tue, May 27, 2014 23:31:01 No.4941798 Just gonna throw in one fun little thing - if you think about it, the title tells you the ending.

>>	Anonymous Wed, May 28, 2014 05:02:06 No.4942450 File: 71 KB, 407x597, ss (2014-05-28 at 07.01.34).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Lol, for those of you who enjoyed this book

>>	Anonymous Wed, May 28, 2014 05:09:58 No.4942465 >>4937522 I actually found myself smiling because it was written so beautifully, it's not as depressing as it seems, at least for me :-) read it!!

>>	Anonymous Wed, May 28, 2014 05:12:20 No.4942472 >>4937522 God dammit so pretentious wtf >That cry >>4938553 >It made me cry. Stop

Anonymous Wed, May 28, 2014 07:43:43 No.4942745

>>4938707
This idea that you should "make the most of your time" when you have cancer, or any disease for that matter, is retarded.
>it would be a waste of precious little time
Even if you live to 70, you don't think that's still precious little time? You're still going to die, and you're still wasting your time sitting on 4chan.

>>	Anonymous Wed, May 28, 2014 16:49:15 No.4944214 File: 1.77 MB, 1546x1348, 1387223318987.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4937522 It appeals to people like this.

>>	Anonymous Wed, May 28, 2014 17:13:00 No.4944291 >>4937522 John Green is a pretentious asshat. Alaska a shit. Abundance of Katherines was okay.

>>	Anonymous Wed, May 28, 2014 17:23:54 No.4944316 >>4944214 >I think that would be for the best btfo

>>	Anonymous Wed, May 28, 2014 17:27:47 No.4944323 >>4939682 Man, I wish I had cancer

>>	Anonymous Wed, May 28, 2014 17:30:06 No.4944330 >>4938770 >go on a shooting rampage Are there any decent novels the events of which center around a school shooting? (YA fiction or not.)

Anonymous Wed, May 28, 2014 17:36:11 No.4944349
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>>4937522
>On top of that, this book is so into itself. There is a scene where the two main characters make out at the Anne Frank museum of all places and are applauded by a crowd.
WUT

>>	Anonymous Wed, May 28, 2014 17:40:37 No.4944365 File: 2.98 MB, 303x221, bathtime.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >mfw being a 'paper person' is the same as being a phony >mfw John Green basically ripped off Catcher in the Rye and people constantly applaud him for it

>>	Anonymous Wed, May 28, 2014 17:43:47 No.4944373 >>4944330 We need to talk about Kevin?

>>	Anonymous Wed, May 28, 2014 17:44:04 No.4944374 While we're on the subject of YA Lit, what do you guys think of Frank Portman's King Dork?

>>	Anonymous Wed, May 28, 2014 17:44:04 No.4944375 >>4944214 Yuck.

Anonymous Wed, May 28, 2014 17:48:10 No.4944391

I never have read it, but I have read the basis for the book
>girl with cancer likes guy who is crippled
Also the girl with cancer doesn't die at the end of the book
So basically it's supposed a love story to make you cry yet it avoids killing the main character because the author doesn't want the book to be too sad
I see why it would appeal to girls, but other than that?

>>	Anonymous Wed, May 28, 2014 17:54:40 No.4944408 >>4944391 >girl with cancer likes cute sensitive intelligent jock with a heart of gold fix'd

>>	Anonymous Wed, May 28, 2014 18:00:28 No.4944423 >>4944373 Yes!

>>	Anonymous Wed, May 28, 2014 18:05:42 No.4944435 >>4944391 >I never have read it, but I have read the basis for the book Then you opinion is meaningless and you shouldn't have posted

>>	Anonymous Wed, May 28, 2014 18:06:29 No.4944436 >>4937522 >Why do people like this? Marketing. Welcome to the publishing industry, jackass.

>>	Anonymous Wed, May 28, 2014 18:26:09 No.4944481 >>4938726 stay strong bro

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 29, 2014 00:07:18 No.4945813 >>4944330 Give a Boy a Gun was okay, actually.

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 29, 2014 11:15:06 No.4947409 >>4937522 Because it's generic love story YA genre.

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 29, 2014 12:02:29 No.4947614 he's doing an AMA on reddit right now http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/26s7bj/iam_john_green_bestselling_author_of_the_fault_in/

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 29, 2014 12:11:07 No.4947650 >>4947614 God, that interface is awful. How are you supposed to find a specific post when you need to click "more replies" all the time? For every page? How are you even supposed to track his responses?

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 29, 2014 12:14:59 No.4947672 >>4947614 >introducing yourself as a "bestselling" author >using thesoundandthefury as your screen (?) name Fuck this guy

>>	twinshiggy Thu, May 29, 2014 12:21:43 No.4947703 Why the fuck did j00t do an AMA? I mean, that is literally the last straw.

Anonymous Thu, May 29, 2014 12:25:22 No.4947718
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>>4947672
>It's from Macbeth originally. Macbeth says life is... "a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing." Then Faulkner repurposed it for the title of his great novel "The Sound and the Fury." Then I rerepurposed it for a reddit username.

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 29, 2014 12:26:11 No.4947722 >>4937522 I read this as the fart in our stars.

>>	Anonymouse !7tLDpBrPEk Thu, May 29, 2014 12:28:48 No.4947735 >>4939679 Lel

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 29, 2014 12:30:49 No.4947747 >>4947718 He's not wrong, is he? Because that's not exactly weird, just fucking pretentious

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 29, 2014 12:32:55 No.4947757 >>4947747 Exactly. No, of course he's not wrong, it's just sad he needed to explain what should have been taught in high school.

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 29, 2014 12:34:17 No.4947763 >>4947757 Remember, most of his fans are American high schoolers. How good an English education do you think they've gotten?

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 29, 2014 12:35:31 No.4947769 >>4947757 I read Macbeth in hs and I didn't remember that line

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 29, 2014 12:39:03 No.4947784 >>4947769 How can you possibly forget "Tomorrow and Tomorrow and Tomorrow"? It's one of Shakespeare's most famous soliloquys. Christ, I hated Shakespeare in high school, but these are the things you need to learn.

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 29, 2014 12:39:46 No.4947790 >>4947784 I'm not a very smart man.

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 29, 2014 12:40:05 No.4947791 >>4947784 *soliloquies

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 29, 2014 12:52:30 No.4947838 I bought this as a birthday present for a teen friend and the cashier omnisciently asked me "It's for a girl, right?" I don't even know what the book is about, besides cancer.

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 29, 2014 12:55:10 No.4947855 File: 93 KB, 730x388, Walder-Frey.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4947838 >Omnisciently asked

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 29, 2014 12:57:32 No.4947863 >>4947855 She couldn't fathom what the answer to that question was, in an almighty way.

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 29, 2014 13:04:06 No.4947893 >>4947863 ...But that's literally the opposite of omniscience, you dolt. Omniscience means you know everything. If you don't know something, you're not omniscient.

>>	twinshiggy Thu, May 29, 2014 13:35:39 No.4947982 >>4947893 That she had the intiution made her seem divine.

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 29, 2014 13:38:37 No.4947991 >>4938726 I feel bad about anons who are going to die I'm sorry bro

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 29, 2014 14:00:07 No.4948043 >>4947982 How to troll /lit/ Volume 1.

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 29, 2014 17:00:18 No.4948595 >>4948043 Vol. 2: "Literally"

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 29, 2014 17:09:18 No.4948623 >>4938726 Are you a big guy?

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 29, 2014 17:11:17 No.4948627 >>4944214 She's on my dad's facebook, what the fuck! WHO ARE YOU!

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 29, 2014 17:13:07 No.4948634 >>4944330 My Twisted World.

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 29, 2014 17:15:27 No.4948643 >>4937522 >realistic voice to teenager HA. Teenagers are unrealistic by nature, they act like complete movies every waking hour of their life.

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 29, 2014 17:16:40 No.4948648 File: 110 KB, 1223x266, Screen Shot 2014-05-29 at 23.15.53.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4945813 >go to look it up >pic related /lit/, did you do this?

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 29, 2014 17:20:57 No.4948665 >>4948648 haha benis

Anonymous Thu, May 29, 2014 17:29:34 No.4948695

>>4944365
That ending to the car-egging chapter was essentially a rip of the elevator conversation from Catcher in the Rye. It's literally disgusting that decent literary styles and messages were employed to manipulate the story within some shitty YA book about pseudo-depressed, pseudo-intellectual teenagers with a slightly above average vocabulary.

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 29, 2014 18:56:09 No.4948946 >>4948627 How about a screencap?

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 29, 2014 18:58:53 No.4948963 >>4948946 I do not have to provide evidence to my made up stories, please fuck off.

>>	twinshiggy Thu, May 29, 2014 19:09:00 No.4948994 >>4947784 I never learnt that. I read Merchant of Venice and Hamlet in school.

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 29, 2014 21:21:35 No.4949442 >>4937554 >theater Fucking disgusting. I refuse to read anymore of this thread.

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 29, 2014 22:10:14 No.4949551 File: 7 KB, 100x100, rinhead.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4939687 TFIOS is Katawa Shoujo for teen girls.

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