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[Anonymous No.23475857]

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[Anonymous No.23475873]

My path through Heinlein continues. I took a brief respite to read Asimov's short story collection Nightfall and Other Stories plus The Science Fiction Hall of Fame Volume 1.
Just Read: Have Space Suit - Will Travel
>Very engaging story, although structurally similar to several other Heinlein juveniles. I liked how the direct conflict with the Wormface race was avoided, for the larger story with the Three Galaxies.
Reading: Revolt in 2100
>Not sure how I put this one off for so long, considering its importance in the Lazarus Long cycle.
Next Up: Glory Road

[Anonymous No.23475909]

Been reading wot and really digging the whole slowly going insane theme with rand. Any other books with main protagonists going through a similar thing?

[Anonymous No.23475980]

>>23475857
has anyone read this series? thoughts on it?

[Anonymous No.23475985]

>>23475980
>book one
There's more to come?!

[Anonymous No.23475990]

>>23475985
yes, the sequel came out fairly recently. seems popular enough, so i wanted /lit/'s opinion

[Anonymous No.23475993]

Eversion was decent. The boat had too many goddamn scientists. But unlike Simmons, the tweest was actually readable and not a comedy shitshow.
Children of Time etc. -- the first book was decent if too damn optimistic. The others were copy+pasted (though not terrible).
Banks and Culture novels -- Surface Detail was great. It had like three or four storylines which all delivered. Trying other Culture books, his mannerisms became too predictable and annoying.
Ilium was goat. The sequel(s) sucked. Same thing with Varley, kinda. The first book was goat and the second was good for a laugh.
Revlelation Space -- the first three (?) novels were amazing. Probably requiring a separate post to explain why they were so good. After the short story collection (of course short stories are always worth it compared to novels; they take more risks and have to appeal to sensible people and not die-hard fans. There's no exception here) the series more-or-less goes to shit, which continues to be shit to the preset day in Inhibitor Phase.
Joe Abercrombie series was competent, but formulaic. It was like a color-by number fantasy series. It doesn't suck but I have to have preferences and decide to dislike something. It's really polished and soul-less.
Watts I really enjoyed, I read them (Blindside, Starfish) each in one all-night sitting. The sci-fi ideas were plausibly-good (e.g. using faces to process data) and the writing is not treating the reader like they're fucking six years old. Literary sci-fi. Now I have to read the sequels I guess ,even though everybody says they're shit.
Quantum Thief -- I took a break because I read these in between naps withdrawing from caffeine and it was actually detrimental to my comprehension to be half-asleep, which is rare because most books are written for idiots. I'll probably have to read the second one again.

[Anonymous No.23476026]

My recent SFF reads:

•Between Two Fires: Dogshit. Shelved.
• Engine Summer: Good stuff, but I worry it's Crowley's best work, and Aegypt will disappoint. He's kind of a twerp in interviews.
•Echoes of the Goddess: Good stuff. Schweitzer rules.

Might read Virconium next, can't tell yet if I'll like it.

[Anonymous No.23476034]

Is there a more pathetic fantasy character than Gawyn Trakand?

[Anonymous No.23476076]

>>23475909

Titus in Gormenghast comes to mind but to be fair the entire place was more like a nuthouse than a castle. MAYBE Elric too. I'm also reading WOT I'm currently on book four, so far enjoying it and what Jordan is doing with Rand's character it really felt like a Tolkien copycat in the first book but I felt like it found it's identity in the second The Dragon Reborn was even more enjoyable.

[Anonymous No.23476086]

>tfw no stinky mirkwood elf gf

[Anonymous No.23476092]

>>23475980

I read another book of Jay Kristoff’s (Nevernight) and it had objectively some of the worst and most useless asides and exposition I’ve ever seen in a fantasy novel. Will probably try Vampire at a later point but I’m not enthusiastic about it.

[Anonymous No.23476102]

>>23476076
Around book 4 is when he really started expanding the world, its a wild ride.

[Anonymous No.23476114]

>>23475980
>>23475990
How pozzed is it?

[Anonymous No.23476116]

>last
>current
>next

[Anonymous No.23476120]

>>23476116
>last
Children of Hurin. Probably the best of the nu-Tolkien edits.
>current
The Brother's War. A shitty MtG novel, not quite as bad as you'd think but pretty bad.
>next
Probably more Tolkien, trying to catch up on the more modern releases.

[Anonymous No.23476129]

>>23476092
from what i have heard, this series is supposed to be better than nevernight. i have the first book of nevernight, haven't gotten around to finishing it but the first couple chapters seemed okay

[Anonymous No.23476135]

>>23475857
First for read the Belgariad AND the Malloreon

[Anonymous No.23476137]

>>23476116
>last
Kaiju: Battlefield Surgeon (obscene amounts of body horror); Hunger of the Kangaroo; Zero Day Exploit (prologue to this 40K Mechanicus trilogy); first arc of Shadow Slave
>current
Priests of Mars, the first in the Forges of Mars 40K trilogy. It's about a space trip to the unknown Halo Stars and beyond so I hope it turns out to be good sci-fi. I'm familiar with the setting but never read any actual novels. Although I'm treating it like (hopeful/tolerable) good licensed sci-fi. How hard do 40k books get? Probably depends on the author.
>next
Probably continue with this 40k trilogy as long as the first book doesn't end up sucking to any extremity. I do have quite the backlog on my ereader though, now.

[Anonymous No.23476138]

I really enjoyed Otherland. How are Tad Williams' other books?

[Anonymous No.23476143]

>>23476138
MST isn't too bad. Nothing amazing, but worth your time if you've nothing much else to read.

[Anonymous No.23476154]

>>23476143
Is there anything you'd recommend instead?

[Anonymous No.23476166]

>Last
Odyssey series (as in, 2001: A Space) by Arthur C. Clarke. First two are pretty good - arguably, the first is better than the movie because it's not sniffing its own farts for ballet's sake, I fucking hate Stanley Kubrick. The second one is good, but not quite as good as the movie, which Clarke himself thought was excellent. 2061 and 3001 lose the plot and get too damned preachy - and coming from a left-wing utopian atheist that gets even more obnoxious than Mormon-lit.
>Current
That mommyposter suggested Heart of Bronze by Matt Stover, and what a fucking mistake this was; there's hardly any motherly instinct in it, and the children are kept entirely "off-screen". Also I think this faggot invented marvel-quips in literature, because it's just reeking with the sort of insincere half-hearted midwit "comedy" that makes the Three Stooges seem highbrow, combined with absolutely incessant sexual perversion and edgelord sadism (oftentimes, combined into the same scene, though usually seesawing between one and the other). He is absolutely obsessed with gay sex, pedophilia, and extravagantly explicit gore, particularly involving gay sex and pedophilia. There's just no way the author is not a homosexual, especially considering his infamously homoerotic Star Wars novels (pic related). The likes of Joss Whedon or JJ Abrams would have loved this retard garbage.
>Next
E.T.A. Hoffmann's "Nussknacker und Mausekönig" - you may know it better as the original 1816 story that forms the foundation for Tchaikovsky's famous Christmastime ballet: The Nutcracker [and the Mouse King]. It's the Penguin Edition that also comes with Alexandre Dumas' rendition of the tale.

[Anonymous No.23476192]

>>23476138
I read Memory, Sorrow, and Thorn about 2-3 years ago. Absolutely hated it. The Dragonbone Chair starts off mega-comfy for the first 100 pages, like Fellowship of the Ring but better, but then totally drops off and never really picks back up again. The only times I was ever entertained was when it shifted to Sithi (elves) company, but those times were few and far between, and some of the chapters, besides being boring, are exhaustively long - as many as 80-100 pages of bible-dense text in mass-market paperback in between scene shifts. And the ending of To Green Angel Tower is so anticlimactic and valueless that, combined with the abject desolation of the world such that the bad guys effectively already rendered the human population irretrievably on the road to extinction, it amounts to nothing more than a 3000 page long shaggy dog story. If you have absolutely nothing better to do, and desperately need to kill a lot of free time, then read it, but I would not recommend it if you were into something actually gripping. I'd sooner suggest you read Kingdoms of Thorn and Bone by Greg Keyes, which might appeal to you, though I personally did not bother keeping them.

[Anonymous No.23476200]

>>23476116
>last
Time and Again by Clifford Simak
My favorite Simak so far and very similar to Stars My Destination, Simak iss quickly becoming one of my favorite scifi authors
>current
Dr. Bloodmoney
Didn't know Dick was a fan of William Somerset Maugham, the character Walt Dangerfield reads 'Of Human Bondage' to humanity from his spaceship orbiting the Earth. both novels have similar themes and characters too
>next
idk maybe
To Open the Sky by Robert Silverberg (don't worry he's a cool jew)
or
Space Merchants
i have a lot of unfinished series too
>>23476138
imo Oterland is his best work but MST is still gfine, if you want to get a taste of how he writes fantasy but you don't want to commit to a 4 book series you could always try The War of Flowers, it's a stand-alone portal fantasy about a depressed man with a bad lot in life going to a fairy tale-like world it's basically William's own version of Thomas Covenant

[Anonymous No.23476203]

>>23476154
I've not read anything else by him. If you mean general recs, we'll I've got loads of those. What sort of fantasy do you like?

[Anonymous No.23476217]

>>23476200
>Otterland
HE,LL YEAH BORTHER

[Anonymous No.23476220]

>>23476192
>Simon and Aditu never got it on during all their time together beyond a simple kiss
Robbed. We were robbed, I tell you.

[Anonymous No.23476227]

>>23476220
I have to admit, it was really fucking funny when she went "hahaha wouldn't it be funny if a beautiful elf princess like me fell in love with the human hero and married him haha as a joke haha" to Simon in front of the human sluts to make them jealous. But 2 and a half pages of good doesn't excuse 2997 and a half of bad.

[Anonymous No.23476259]

>>23475980
Starts strong but completely derails itself towards the end. Also the obligatory gay interacial couple was super out of place by itself, but combined with female Jesus and the le church is AKSHUALLY EVIL meme became egregiously pozzed.

[Anonymous No.23476264]

>>23475980
abhorrent cover

[Anonymous No.23476294]

>>23476200
Have you read A Choice of Gods by Simak?

If so would you recommend it at all?

[Anonymous No.23476318]

>>23476294
NTA but after reading 3 Simak novels (Project Pope, The Fellowship of the Talisman, and Where the Evil Dwells) I think if you're interested in spiritual and pastoral themes you might be interested. They have a tendency to revert to stream-of-consciousness thoughts that tend to go nowhere vis-a-vis the main plot, which is almost invariably an irrelevant macguffin hunt. Arguably Heinlein-esque, but without the brash socio-political treatises or outrageous techno-speculation.

[Anonymous No.23476348]

[Anonymous No.23476349]

>>23476294
Not yet, i'm reading his works from the 50s and 60s first so it will take me a while to get to that one
>>23476318
this is exactly why i like them lol

[Anonymous No.23476356]

>>23476348
are her pubes red? this is important

[Anonymous No.23476373]

>>23476318
Cool, thanks. I'm actually really interested in that type of "stream-of-consciousness" writing. I often find books more interesting as it's also a view into the author himself

[Anonymous No.23476399]

Certified unpozzed.

[Anonymous No.23476451]

>>23476203
Something with intrigue, I suppose.

[Anonymous No.23476467]

Books for this feel?

[Anonymous No.23476480]

>>23476467
Urshurak.

[Anonymous No.23476507]

>>23476467
see >>23476135

[Anonymous No.23476545]

>>23476507
Belgariad, like LOTR, is one of the great filters. If you can't enjoy it, you just don't really like fantasy.

[Anonymous No.23476637]

There aren't many times where I can't finish a book I start, but this is definitely one of them. I just can't stomach this trash anymore, it is nothing but an endless litany of explicit pederasty. This author is such a depraved sick fuck he makes Tanith Lee look like a goddamn puritan. Take this shit off your list Mommyposter, it's revolting.

[Anonymous No.23476697]

>>23476637
>Tanith Lee look like a goddamn puritan
lmao what does it have scat or something? only read his star wars books

[Anonymous No.23476735]

>>23476697
In the first 250 pages there are about 30 sex scenes, of which only 3 exclusively involve adults, and only 1 is heterosexual, and that one is a rape. And I'm using "12 years old" as the standard of adulthood, because this is set around 1200 BC.
And yes, as a matter of fact, there IS a copious amount of coprophilia! As well as a persistent description of bodily mutilation that is no doubt intended to be erotic to the guro fetishist but comes off as offputtingly graphic to anybody who isn't wholly evil.
It's just vile, vile stuff, the shit I've seen posted about Bakker isn't half as bad as this. At least he mostly keeps his gay rape between adults, and doesn't put it and snuff in the same sentence.

[Anonymous No.23476744]

>>23476735
Oh, I should say only one of the 3 "adult" sex scenes are heterosexual. There's plenty of hetero kiddie-fucking, if you're into that sort of thing.

[Anonymous No.23476784]

Welcome to Week 2 of Pride Month! This week, we’re diving deeper into some of the often-overlooked identities within the queer spectrum. In today's discussion, we're shining a spotlight on our favorite bisexual characters in speculative fiction. From epic space operas to magical realms and everything in between, these characters navigate their identities, relationships, and adventures with courage, complexity, and authenticity.

[Anonymous No.23476801]

>>23476784
why do they always use so many words for a sentence that could be half as long and more concise? like i don't mind the gays but they way these redditors talk is so annoying

[Anonymous No.23476810]

>>23476784
>Welcome to Week 2 of Fag Month! This week we'll talk about fags we like in our faggy books!
Could've just written this

[Anonymous No.23476811]

>>23476637
I'd heard Lee was smutty, but I wasn't prepared for the daemon-on-boy love that I got.

[Anonymous No.23476831]

>>23476138
I personally shill MS&T a lot and enjoyed it for all its quirks. I agree with the other anon that the first part of the book is extremely comfy but imo it keeps up its quality very well. Granted it's a slow burn but that to me isn't a weakness. If you like traveling, abysmal odds stacked against the protagonists and Arthurian adventures, I'd say give it chance. To Green Angel Tower is one of my favorite series endings in fantasy and the buildup to the finale was really amazing.

But if you want something bite-sized from Tad, Tailchaser's Song is also very good.

[Anonymous No.23476838]

>>23476138
>>23476200

That being said, I've some good things about Otherland from anons here. Is it worth to take the plunge into those 4 thick tomes?

[Anonymous No.23476877]

>>23476811
You read Death's Master didn't you?
the third book of her Birthgrave trilogy involves the main character from the first book finally meeting with her son, and they realize that everyone in the world sucks and they're the only people who can love each other, so naturally they decide to have sex and get married. Admittedly, that incest is probably the tamest part of the series.

[Anonymous No.23476909]

>>23476831
>Arthurian adventures
the mere mention of the name "Fisher King" does not make it Arthurian, without any of the associated traits of the Wounded King, the tie to the land, the Grail, etc

[Anonymous No.23476938]

>>23475857
Read Thresholder

[Anonymous No.23476971]

>>23476909
I should've said influenced by Arthurian tropes. I'm taking that directly from a Tad quote, btw, since he almost always described this series as a "what would happen to a kingdom after King Arthur died?". I know there's no elements in there that are "directly" Arthurian.

[Anonymous No.23476973]

>>23476971
>"what would happen to a kingdom after King Arthur died?"
what a fucking moron
this is what happens after King Arthur dies

[Anonymous No.23476981]

Arthur isn't dead, just sleeping.

[Anonymous No.23476997]

>>23476981
based and true

[Anonymous No.23477011]

>>23476981
camelot will rise again and this time the kingdom of summer will be eternal...

[Anonymous No.23477096]

>>23476294
A Choice of Gods was my first Simak and it's probably the one that sticks in my head most alongside City. It really dives straight past the how it happened into the what happens after in terms of the scifi shit.

[Anonymous No.23477106]

>Total Cymry Supremacy

[Anonymous No.23477205]

Would the Man with no Name work in a fantasy setting? I kind of want to write a collection of short stories about an anonymous drifter who wanders the Earth and gets mixed up in conflicts that have nothing to do with him. Is it okay to have a main character in a book with no backstory, or is that too boring?

[Anonymous No.23477229]

>>23477205
To start with, the Man With No Name (assuming you're referring explicitly to the Sergio Leone character and not the generic form which preceded him) DOES have a backstory, it's just not particularly deep or detailed.
Secondly, OF COURSE IT WORKS MORON

[Anonymous No.23477236]

>>23477229
>OF COURSE IT WORKS MORON
It seems like modern fantasy books focus on characters and settings with extensive backstories and lore.

[Anonymous No.23477247]

>>23477205
of course, Shane by Jack Schaefer is considered one of the best western novels of all time and you never know who the fuck shane is.

[Anonymous No.23477257]

>>23477247
I'll check it out. I think it would be funny to write some stories where an evil wizard or aristocrat has an elaborate evil plot that he's been working on for decades, only to be killed by a random drifter with no backstory.

[Anonymous No.23477268]

>>23477257
Another idea I had was to make a story where the hero and villain never directly interact with one another, similar to how Conan never actually meets Thoth-amon in the Conan books.

[Anonymous No.23477406]

>>23475857
A need a book like this.
Not necessarily fighting huge colossi. But specifically; a simple story about a hero going through a list of specific tasks in order to fulfil some great purpose (save someone or defeat evil etc...)

[Anonymous No.23477412]

>>23477406
Wizard Knight, maybe?

[Anonymous No.23477414]

>>23477236
read more.

[Anonymous No.23477425]

>>23477412
Thanks, sounds like an Isekai but good.

[Anonymous No.23477435]

>>23477205
Eventually I think I would feel cucked if the author never revealed shit. You just need to trickle info very slowly imo but give him some kind of story

[Anonymous No.23477440]

>>23477406
The first story that came to mind was Rumo & His Miraculous Adventures. It's a pretty multi-faceted story but it eventually turns into the main character going into hell to save someone he loves and he has to do certain things to get to that point.

[Anonymous No.23477473]

>>23477440
Yeah this seems like a fun read.
>no kindle version
FUCK.
although the first book "he 13.5 Lives Of Captain Bluebear" does and also seems fun

[Anonymous No.23477480]

>>23477440
nice art

[Anonymous No.23477557]

>Idiot ball plot
>Only as long as it is because of the constant POV shifting that lets the author hide that nothing is happening
>The only real meat of the story happens at the very end
I keep coming back to how dumb this book was after finishing it the other day

[Anonymous No.23477566]

>>23475857
I am deeply disturbed and perplexed by the fantasy to scifi ratio itt. Aren't fantasyfags a minority?

[Anonymous No.23477582]

>>23477566
someones discussion swings the other way.
why not start a discussion instead being a meta faggot

[Anonymous No.23477583]

>>23477582
>someones
sometimes

[Anonymous No.23477629]

>>23477566
I believe science fiction was more popular decades ago when society was more optimistic and could be dazzled by the possibilities of the future. From the period coinciding with the golden age of sci-fi all the way up through the new wave, popular belief had been that within a few generations technology would progress to where we could have interstellar travel, as well as manned lunar/planetary bases. Nowadays the world seems more fucked than ever, and space travel has been relegated to a vanity project for billionaires (who haven't managed to even return to the moon after over a decade of trying). It's not hard to speculate as to why escapist fiction has been trending back towards the more nostalgic settings of fantasy in light of that.

I'd guess that fantasy has been more popular than science fiction for at least 30 years, but I don't know how easy it would be to actually verify that. If you think fantasy is overrepresented on 4chan specifically, I'd say it's because 4chan is more right wing than most of the internet and sci-fi tends to be more progressive where fantasy tends to be more reactionary.

[Anonymous No.23477632]

[Anonymous No.23477689]

Currently reading this and about 30% through. Damn this one is so much better than DHG already. I loved GotM but DHG was a real snoozefest for me, and after all the hype I had seen about it and especially about the Chain of Dogs (which turned out to be an utter disappointment) I was contemplating whether I could be bothered continuing. So far I'm real happy I did, but I'm left wondering if the rest of the series continues more in the style of MoI or more like DHG, thoughts without spoilering anything?

Also holy shit the K'chain Che'malle is probably the most metal thing I've ever read in a book.

[Anonymous No.23477693]

>>23477629
Pessimistic sci fi was definitely the norm once you got past the pulp era. Think of some famous sci fi authors and their works. Hell, even just think about popular subgenres of sci fi. Most people’s prediction for the future loosely resembles some form of cyberpunk dystopia, minus the neon.

[Anonymous No.23477740]

>>23477693
That's certainly true. But I think even the nihilistic works of classic sci-fi still usually require a degree of technological optimism. I'm not saying the sci-fi genre is necessarily dead, just that the future many of those older works described is less imminent seeming now, which maybe makes those settings less appealing. Cyberpunk and other earth-dystopia settings are more tangible now, but even then I can't think of very many massively popular science fiction novels of any subgenre written in the last 20 years, especially when compared to fantasy over the same time.

[Anonymous No.23477759]

Science fiction is only useful as a tool for cautionary tales.

[Anonymous No.23477797]

>>23476137
>McNeil
>good scifi

O am I laffin'

[Anonymous No.23477807]

>>23476116
>last
Forge of the High Mage
>current
The Complete Elfquest volume 1
>next
idk City of Golden Shadow maybe

[Anonymous No.23477881]

>>23476116
>Last
Unholy Consult
>Current
This Horrid Practice: The Myth and Reality of Traditional Maori Cannibalism
>Next
not sure. maybe some a crime story

[Anonymous No.23477959]

Could anyone recommend sci-fi or fantasy novels that portray a sense of wonder and mystery?
Exploration, discovery, etc. are all themes I like. I also like dark fantasy.

[Anonymous No.23478013]

>>23476116
>last
The Invincible
>current/next
I dunno yet… I can’t really decide. Open to recommendations.

[Anonymous No.23478085]

>>23477566
(Unfortunately) Fantasy has been more popular than Sci-Fi for the last few decades. Sci-Fi as a whole has also moved away from the Hard Sci-Fi subgenres to more fantastical elements. There are still people writing Golden Age and New Wave Science Fiction, but they are a minority and many of them heavily politicize their works which alienates potential audiences.

[Anonymous No.23478192]

[Anonymous No.23478208]

>>23477959
cliche answer for this board but Book of The New Sun. It reads like a fever dream, go in blind for the best experience

[Anonymous No.23478239]

>>23478085
Sci-fi isn't popular right now because megacorps are ruining our lives. It burnt everyone out on technology as a concept.

[Anonymous No.23478276]

Which 40k books are the least sloppiest?

[Anonymous No.23478341]

>>23478276
pretty much everybody agrees the first 3 Gaunt's Ghosts books by Dan Abnett are the peak of 40k storytelling

[Anonymous No.23478370]

Most internet discussion spaces are currently dominated by Discord-adjacent subcultures, a lot of crossover with people who obsess over anime and certain videogames (Darksouls etc.). This crowd also leans much more toward fantasy and grimdark themes than to science fiction or allegorical works. It tends to be a lot of brown-skinned folks (Hispanic/first generation south Asians) and people in the 14-19 age range. This in addition to the science fiction crowd aging out of online relevance is why we see such a focus on fantasy over science fiction, and what little science fiction is discussed tends toward the Wolfe/Vance side of the spectrum rather than more traditional golden age/new wave sci fi or its modern continuations.

[Anonymous No.23478381]

>>23478370
There are some exceptions: Watts leans into the grimdark enough to have some modern appeal, China Mieville and Ted Chiang had some brief relevance, a last gasp of traditional, even soft science fiction (although they lean into liberal ideology a bit too heavily at times), Bacigalupi also deserves a mention in this vein. Vandermeer never really appealed to me, but he was on the right track before it went off the rails. All have had an audience within modern online spaces. All modern authors, very little respect for classics beyond Dune today.

[Anonymous No.23478391]

>>23478381
And despite the surface-level aesthetic "weirdness" that is popular, there is very little tolerance for any true literary experimentation. Today's readers seem to enjoy very traditional narrative structures, with well defined characters and heroic character arcs. This drives modern readers away from New Wave sci fi especially.

[Anonymous No.23478395]

>>23476116
>last
Fitz & Fool 1
>current
Fitz & Fool 2
>next
Fitz & Fool 3

[Anonymous No.23478405]

>>23478381
I should mention: China Mieville should be read as a short story writer. His novels are largely awful, although there is a great novel hidden somewhere in City & the City which never quite came to full form.

[Anonymous No.23478441]

>>23478391
>>23478405
As for what you should read: explore short story collections, especially from the golden age authors that came a decade or so after Asimov. Bradbury and Heinlen are far and away the best of the household names, but there are some lesser-known authors worth reading. Stapledon, Pohl, Simak, Sturgeon, Vogt are all somewhere in the middle group, neither quite household names nor unknown, and all have some great works. I'll shill Robert Sheckley here. An interesting footnote in this time period, and precursor to Douglas Adams. I never cared for eastern European writers, but Lem and the Strugoskis have enough fans along people whose opinions I respect that I can't fully dismiss them. Harlan Ellison to me fits very nicely in a crowd with these authors despite not being Eastern European. In the New Wave: Vonnegut, PKD, Le Guinn are all worth reading. Digging deeper, Tiptree, Aldiss and Silverburg (he is very hit or miss, choose carefully what you read of his). Disch and Ballard are awful. Don't bother. Jose Farmer goes too weird for me. Brunner is not great but has fans. Spinrad and Zelazny are okay. I will continue to shill Malzberg and Beyond Apollo, read him. Reaching into the more modern age: Light, Quantum Thief, Stations of the Tide, and of course the aforementioned Bacigalupi, Chiang, and Mieville were all good reads.

[Anonymous No.23478445]

>>23478192
Finished this yesterday. How am I supposed to fill the Fang Yuan shaped hole in my heart now?

[Anonymous No.23478470]

>>23477473
13 1/2 Lives of Cpt. Bluebear is super kino, imo. One of my favorite books I read last year. Highly recommend it. It's technically the "first" in the series but so far each book is sort of its own self contained story

[Anonymous No.23478473]

>>23477480
Yeah, Walter Moers does the illustrations himself

[Anonymous No.23478477]

Nice schizo rant. However. I will keep reading fantasy and slop.

[Anonymous No.23478664]

>>23478445
Have you read any other xanxia?

[Anonymous No.23478708]

>>23478445
>How am I supposed to fill the Fang Yuan shaped hole in my heart now?
https://novtales.com/novel/mysteries-of-immortal-puppet-master
read his latest work

[Anonymous No.23478738]

>>23477257
Sounds kino, get to writing

[Anonymous No.23478739]

>>23478708
Nta. 15 chapters in and it's average, better than IET works but nowhere near the level of RI.

[Anonymous No.23478829]

>>23478239
Does the majority realize how shit AI is despite how religiously they're hyping how good they are for investors, and that every technology is going to be like this? I see some people falling for it, I don't know. There's also some stuff about how the 21st might be the highest we get technologically before becoming perma medieval wood-based, but I don't think most people are aware of that.
https://energyskeptic.com/2020/will-life-after-peak-oil-be-like-the-middle-ages/

[Anonymous No.23478844]

>>23478739
RI was very mediocre for the first 100 chapters or something though, been a long ass time since I read it

[Anonymous No.23478876]

>>23478381
>China Mieville and Ted Chiang had some brief relevance, a last gasp of traditional, even soft science fiction (although they lean into liberal ideology a bit too heavily at times)
Lol, what? Mieville is a Fantasy writer through and through. And he doesn't lean liberal. He is a literal communist.

[Anonymous No.23478884]

Just finished the first Dune book, overall I liked it but I wasn't amazed. How are the other books?

[Anonymous No.23478894]

>>23478884
Idk, I felt pretty much the same way when I first read it. In my experience the best books are the ones that aren't series. Fuck series.

[Anonymous No.23478898]

>>23478884
I had the same reaction when I read it last year. I continued on and the second was great and I'd argue it's required reading to get the full story that was setup in the first book. Third was a step down with only a couple interesting parts but necessary setup for the fourth which was really great at times and a weird slog at other times. I couldn't finish the fifth because of how far up his own ass Frank seemed to have gotten by then.

[Anonymous No.23478899]

>>23478876
Mieville's works have far more in common with, and far greater influence from, science fiction than fantasy, unless all you've read by him is Perdido St Station and Kraken.

[Anonymous No.23478906]

>>23478899
And more to the point: labeling a book published past 2000 "fantasy" is nearly a slur, because 99% of books under that umbrella are essentially unimaginative fanfiction of Tolkein. There are more true-to-genre-intent fantasy books to be found on any science fiction shelf than on a fantasy shelf.

[Anonymous No.23478909]

>>23478664
Not to completion, but I've been reading ISSTH and A Record of a Mortal’s Journey to Immortality on the side.

[Anonymous No.23478914]

>>23478899
His politics are disgusting but he's a pretty good writer by modern standards. And at least he has convictions.

[Anonymous No.23478917]

>>23478829
>AI is shit
...
https://voca.ro/19zl2w6IiNzo

[Anonymous No.23478925]

Why don't we have AI-generated audiobooks for every novel yet? The technology has been here for at least a year now. I'm sure there must be some voice actors willing to sell their voice rights, and for smaller releases it would make it far easier to release audiobooks.

[Anonymous No.23479016]

>>23478909
>A Record of a Mortal’s Journey to Immortality
You are in for a disappointment. It started out really well but then went to shit real quick.

[Anonymous No.23479059]

>>23478925
All the people I want to read audiobooks to me are dead. What I would give to have Vincent Price read the entire collection of Lovecraft's weird fiction to me...

[Anonymous No.23479085]

>>23478739
I like it better than RI. I like the plot and how everyone is scheming and the plot is currently limited to a single city. MC is cool as well

[Anonymous No.23479086]

>>23478445
https://wtr-lab.com/en/serie-7251/asking-about-longevity
This was pretty fun

[Anonymous No.23479099]

>>23479059
https://www.audible.co.uk/search?searchNarrator=Tony+Jay

[Anonymous No.23479113]

I want to like fantasy but I just can’t get into it. Whenever I’m in a bookstore and I read a few pages of anything popular, it feels like the work of a teenager. I should like these stories though and they seem interesting to me but I just can’t get into it.

I have tried Wolfe which I liked and Le Guin which I didn’t. I’ve read bits and pieces from Gwynne. I experimented with King but didn’t finish one of his books. I’ve tried reading so many others. Red Rising has appeared on my radar but I don’t know if it’s another case of liking the idea and hating the prose.

I’ve never read Tolkien and I’m open to trying him but I want to use fantasy as a way to kind of turn my brain off after reading hard literature or just stuff I’m more interested. In a way, basically to replace YouTube and doom scrolling.

Does anyone have any recommendations?

[Anonymous No.23479128]

>>23479113
>I want to use fantasy as a way to kind of turn my brain off

[Anonymous No.23479138]

>>23479113
Two quick questions: what's your skin color, and how old are you?

[Anonymous No.23479146]

>>23479113
Why are you scared to read Tolkein? He is respected in a literary sense, but LotR and especially The Hobbit work just fine if all you want is escapism. You will be hard-pressed to find modern fantasy that doesn't read like it's written by a teenager. That's the state of modern literature, and fantasy is especially affected. You could look for older pulp, as it's generally more well written, but at that point why not just go with the classics? The goal of fantasy has largely always been fun/escapism.

[Anonymous No.23479149]

>>23479128
I’ll check it out thank you!

>>23479138
Slightly white. Slightly 28

[Anonymous No.23479154]

>>23479146
I’m not. I just don’t want to focus too much in this scenario which would be a disservice to Tolkien

[Anonymous No.23479159]

>>23479154
I think Tolkein would be glad to know that there are still people reading him purely to get lost in the story without autistically obsessing over world building details or analyzing it to death as fine literature.

[Anonymous No.23479169]

>>23479159
Well now I refuse to read him!

[Anonymous No.23479188]

>>23479149
>slightly white
Does this mean Chinese or mulatto or what?
>28
You might be as yet too young to appreciate fantasy. I didn't really start reading anything besides Star Wars novels til I turned 30 a few years ago when I got hooked on Belgariad and have been consuming everything that seems remotely interesting to me - even if I have discarded the greater portion of it after reading. From rereading old classics to pinching off-kilter independently published novels off Amazon, I've hardly gone three nights in as many years without reading a few pages of print before bed, and sometimes I encounter a novel or series of novels so engrossing that I go through 600 pages in a single day.
Ease yourself into it, just give the standards a try: Lord of the Rings, Chronicles of Prydain, Morte d'Arthur, see what floats your boat and then branch out from there.

[Anonymous No.23479200]

>>23479188
>28
>too young to appreciate Fantasy
Anon, stop huffing glue. Fantasy is still the main genre to mutilate in YA nonsense for a young audience.

[Anonymous No.23479209]

>>23479188
I was just trying to be funny, I’m white I swear.

That could be it honestly or maybe I just don’t have the imagination for fantasy. I’ll definitely give your recommendations a try. Thank you very much

[Anonymous No.23479220]

>>23479200
Combining Joss Whedon and JK Rowling is hardly the same thing as Lois McMaster Bujold or Clifford D. Simak. Nobody cares about the junk on the New Releases From Queer Pro-Palestine BIPOC Authors table in the front lobby of Barnes and Noble, they care about mining for gems.

[Anonymous No.23479225]

Authors like him?

[Anonymous No.23479234]

>>23479225
Yes, but definitely not in the genre.

Herbert is your best bet, but they are not really comparable.

[Anonymous No.23479239]

>>23479209
I ask about race because non-white reaction to fantasy varies. For example, Mexicans and blacks tend to be averse at first, the same way some 10 year old white kid obsessed with Star Wars and Jurassic Park isn't going to care about the LOTR movie but then they start watching anime and after they watch enough Vinland Saga they might well enjoy Poul Anderson. Anime is the gateway drug for brown people into fantasy literature.

As for recommendations:
>The Drawing of the Dark - Tim Powers
>Three Hearts and Three Lions - Poul Anderson
>Fionavar Tapestry - Guy Gavriel Kay
>John Carter of Mars - Edgar Rice Burroughs (technically Sci-Fi, but its treated like raw fantasy)
>The Wizard Knight - Gene Wolfe
>The Elenium and Tamuli - David Eddings (read this if Belgariad/Malloreon seems too immature for you, but honestly if you dislike Belgariad you might be a lost cause)

[Anonymous No.23479257]

>>23479209
Read xanxia my man. Power fantasy is where its at. Forget all these >>23479239 lib shit boomer authors, they are only suitable for low t feminized 'men'.

[Anonymous No.23479277]

>>23477689
>DHG was a real snoozefest for me, and after all the hype I had seen about it and especially about the Chain of Dogs (which turned out to be an utter disappointment)
Well, you're hopeless, then. The Chain of Dogs is one of the only times you see two forces fighting at the top of their capability, and where the outcome is determined primarily by the tactics. Elsewhere the action is undermined at least in part by infighting, stupidity, corruption or greed, and many of the 'major' battles are just one side getting steamrolled due to idiocy.
If you're talking about the skeleton bois, those aren't actually k'chain.
The author has this weird thing where he can't write evil bad guys without explaining their motivations and humanizing them, which makes the last thousand pages a bit problematic because he literally has to keep inventing new villains because we keep running out, and then he has to refrain from trying to justify their actions and making them the good guys by accident, and generally fails.
Though we did eventually get Kadaver Proust and His Anger Management Issues on the Shore which ought to be worth some consideration.

[Anonymous No.23479319]

>>23479239
You said anime is the gateway drug to fantasy for brownies, but you used an example of anime being a gateway drug for a white kid. That kinda invalidates your point of asking about race. If he was nonwhite, then what would you say? Don't be disingenuous about your prejudice.

[Anonymous No.23479373]

>>23479319
>but you used an example of anime being a gateway drug for a white kid
I made mistakes in punctuation, I should have separated that clause of the sentence by hyphens. White kids are either born liking fantasy or they don't really latch onto it until their 20s-30s. If somebody is over 40 and doesn't like fantasy, they almost certainly never will.

[Anonymous No.23479433]

>>23477689
>I loved GotM but DHG was a real snoozefest for me
I've never encountered a person worthy of respect who held this opinion.

[Anonymous No.23479434]

>>23477797
I never said the author was good. I said I HOPED this series was good.

[Anonymous No.23479500]

>>23477205
already a thing. And it's the best book ever made

[Anonymous No.23479517]

>>23475873
I am not gonna read some liberal degenerate

[Anonymous No.23479522]

Finished Elantris. Holy shit this book is bad. Every plot only moves forward due to random "eurekas" as they connect things tangentially related. So much of it is slow dialogue, but when action happen, it's too quick and parts just get glossed over. Feel like I wasted my time reading this shit.

[Anonymous No.23479531]

>>23479517
Libertarian* degenerate
And he's pretty fucking based, bud.

[Anonymous No.23479535]

>>23479531
Yes, his books are based on his degenerate neuronal synapses, and I shan't be reading it.

[Anonymous No.23479565]

i've been obsessed with Realm of the Elderlings recently. i think the Liveship Traders trilogy tops any fantasy trilogy i've ever read. Captain Kennit has to be one of the greatest written antagonists of all time (top 5 for sure)

[Anonymous No.23479661]

>>23479531
I have read - against my will and without prior knowledge that this would be the case - more stories with gay sex in them than I'd ever have hoped to read in a lifetime. Anything more than zero is too many. As a result, if I know beforehand that an author is going to put faggotry in their novels (lesbians count too) I'm simply going to avoid reading them. I'm sick and tired of having gays foisted upon me, I don't even enjoy them as villains, I want nothing to do with sexual degeneracy and perversion at all if I can possibly avoid it.
excepting of course consensual relationships between adult human men and adult female aliens/robots/orcs/elves/dragons/furries/etc.

[Anonymous No.23479662]

>>23475857
The moon is a harsh mistress is the perfect sci fi novel even though I disagree with it's politics. It packs likable developed characters, hard sci fi, action setpieces, and political introspection in one package. I don't get the hype of Stranger in a Strange Land except it predicting the sexual revolution and the hippies. It feels like an erotic novel at times. Starship Troopers is good but suffers from being 80% philosophy monologues and very little action.

[Anonymous No.23479697]

>>23479662
I wouldn't call Starship Troopers one of my favorite Heinleins, but it really has the essential features of the proto-Military Sci-Fi. Military Science Fiction is not the same as Action Science Fiction; I think if it was full of action and less emphasis on boot camp/officer academy, it would not have had the influence it did.

[Anonymous No.23479700]

Action scenes are dead weight in 99% of novels, and are a bore to read unless you're 12 years hold.

[Anonymous No.23479726]

Dialogue scenes are dead weight in 99% of novels, and are a bore to read unless you're 86 years old.

[Anonymous No.23479729]

>>23479700
>>23479726
Both are true, actually.

[Anonymous No.23479738]

>>23476137
Does Kaiju: Battlefield Surgeon get any better? I ended up dropping it after it was like "woooah dude, the monster has DEAD BABIES as mini-enemies!!! Like, worms, but they nest in DEAD BABIES!! Isn't that graphic and fucked up??" Like shit's just so edgy for no reason

>>23478276 Eisenhorn is pretty great, I really liked the Black Legion stuff by Aaron Dembski-Bowden, his horus heresy books are awesome too. If you're interested in Necrons at all, The Infinite and the Divine is fantastic.

>>23479277
yeah idk man I understand what erikson is going for with trying to give his villains understandable motivations and like it all ties into the series' themes of compassion, but at the same time I miss when he wasn't afraid to just make a villain a child molesting warlock. Also re: your first spoiler, they def are the k'chain, they're introduced in chapter like 4 of MoI

[Anonymous No.23479774]

I just started reading The Dragon Reborn after taking a long break from the series. Why the fuck does Min love Rand so much? They literally met once, the second time after the DBZ battle with Ishamael doesn't count because she was already in love with him.
Am I missing something or is it literally just "I saw myself being in love when I looked at you so now I love you" like I think it is? I know that's how her ability works but it feels cheap.

[Anonymous No.23479785]

>>23479738
>Does Kaiju: Battlefield Surgeon get any better?
In terms of body horror? No. I'd say it reaches a 'peak' and that is probably the Assimilation scene; nothing is ever censored but that 15-40% is the worst.
It makes Dungeon Crawler Carl seem tame.

[Anonymous No.23479823]

>>23479785
Oh I just mean quality wise. Like, I don't mind reading weird fucked up stuff, I buy shitty self-pub horror all the time, I just found the first ~quarter of K:BC to be really shitty and edgy without actually being engaging

[Anonymous No.23479832]

>>23479738
>they def are the k'chain, they're introduced in chapter like 4 of MoI
Skeletons are not k'chain, they're literally just the skeletons of k'chain. The only one left alive is the one hugging Gruntle's buddy. The actual k'chain have a major part near the end of the series and it basically kinda sucks. In characteristic Malazan Book of the Misunderstood but Charming Once You Get to Know Them fashion, we have to distinguish between the killer lizards with with their own advanced culture, and the killer lizards who are really dumb, like, for real.
Gruntle's friend's Mommy K'chain doesn't count because she can't function without her hive. It's like chopping off somebody's arm and hooking it up to electrodes and getting it to hulk smash shit.

[Anonymous No.23479852]

>>23479823
Oh. Well, there's a full plot that ends up getting more and more fleshed out as you go along. If you read DCC (I only bring it up again because they're written by the same dude), think of it like one long floor. Even if you don't read the full book, at least read the last chapter and the epilogue. Especially the epilogue. There's a lot of reviews that do complain about how senselessly absurd and dark the first part is.

[Anonymous No.23479871]

>>23479774
Basically she can see bits of peoples souls and she saw his and liked what she saw.

[Anonymous No.23479896]

>rage is blindness
*blacks out in rage*

[Anonymous No.23479897]

>>23479852
Aight fair enough, I’ll check it out again at some point then. I only ask because I’ve heard great things about DCC but want to check out some other Dinniman before I start a series

>>23479832
Honestly fair enough, I’m only like halfway through TTH right now, I know there’s more K’Chain stuff later on but yeah I’m not 100% sure where it goes apart from elaborating on the war between the Chemalle and Nahruk

[Anonymous No.23479950]

>>23479896
more like BLACKED out in rage

[Anonymous No.23479957]

>I am Cnaiür urs Skiötha, breaker-of-horses-and-men, the most violent of all men
*blacks out in rage*
"Wtf, why is there shit on my dick?"

[Anonymous No.23479960]

Rand is the only really interesting part of WoT. But you barely get any scenes with him. At least 75% of each WoT book is Aes Sedai shit which is a chore to read. 10% are boring ass Perrin plots alongside his awful romance with a bitch. Mat is fun but then he gets tossed into Aes Sedai plots and is wasted and bullied by them. Do not read WoT

[Anonymous No.23479961]

>>23479871
It's definitely a lot more than a simple logical calculation, she's actually in love and you can't just choose to be like that.
idk, just feels strange to me, like the author is forcefully trying to give Rand another wife and is looking for an excuse. I get Rand and Egwene since they grew up together and were quite close, but I'm just supposed to believe Min loves him after seeing him once?
And as soon as I thought I might see some character development in that direction, Moiraine just sends her the fuck away. Nice.

[Anonymous No.23479964]

>>23479960
Chinese fiction has completely eclipsed WOT

[Anonymous No.23479968]

>>23479774
My take when I read it was, that it was literally fate/prophecy
never bothered me

[Anonymous No.23479969]

>>23479957
well, he did say he is the buck breaker of men

[Anonymous No.23479985]

>>23479896
so is it a good series?

[Anonymous No.23479995]

>>23479968
I don't know why it bothers me so much, I should definitely just leave it at fate willed it that way and move on.
Maybe it's the fact that she acts so emotional about it that even Moiraine of all people has to act as her emotional support, despite Rand not actually doing anything to deserve it. Makes me think like I'm missing something.

[Anonymous No.23480012]

Finished Roadside Picnic a while ago and it was really great. Any good similar stuff out there? I've already read Metro 2033 and have the sequels in my backlog. Doesn't have to be Russian stuff, just anything in the stalker genre.

[Anonymous No.23480020]

>>23480012

[Anonymous No.23480022]

>>23479661
Hey, heads up Anon. I know you don't want to read this but before I realized I was Bi, I hated any and all mention of gay men even existing. I just thought I was super Christian but I was heavily suppressing a side of myself I hated. I don't think truly Hetero people would care that much.
Just something to consider.

[Anonymous No.23480043]

>>23479661
>I just thought I was resisting the devil but instead I just gave in!

[Anonymous No.23480055]

>>23479961
It ties into the political landscape at the end of the series. Each of Rands wives aligns with a particular political bloc.
>Egwene
Lmao

[Anonymous No.23480089]

>>23480022
im gay and i fucking hate reading about gays

[Anonymous No.23480127]

>>23479985
Oh, yes. I highly recommend it
I've had a lot of time to read book 1 through 5 this last month

Setting is cool. Characters are cool. People feel really vivid.
The writing is cool, the author got some neat turns of phrases. Even if I do want to make fun of their repetition. (100% exacerbated by me marathoning the series)

Main character spends a lot of words introspecting and reflecting on events, some readers don't like it. I think it's all good, part of what makes the series interesting.
Explaining alien psychology, why they don't think like humans, based on their language, stuff like that.

[source No.23480140]

>>23475857
I just love this cover bros. too bad the first edition seems to go for thousands.

[Anonymous No.23480165]

>>23476116

I do audiobooks and physical books at the same time so:

Audio:

Right now I'm listening to Drew Karpyshyn's Chaos Born trilogy and since I'm on book 2 my last read was Children of Fire, my current read is The Scorched Earth (which I'm around 85% done with), and then I'll be finishing it off with Chaos Unleashed afterwards.

It's not as good as his work on Star Wars and you can see the influence of it, but I feel like even new semi-competent epic fantasy is rare for me these days so it's an okay read overall. It's got some issues with here and there and I think that some of the characters are too underbaked despite the amount of time spent on them particularly in book 1. Book 2 suffers from middle book syndrome big time, but at least the plot is coherent if a bit messy because 70% of the cast is retarded. Weirdly each subsequent novel seems to be shorter than the last when usually it's the opposite in most series.

Physical:

Last read: The Lords of the North by Bernard Cornwell

Current Read: The Sword Song by Bernard Cornwell

Next Read: I haven't decided but I might switch back to Myron Bolitar and read Live Wire by Harlen Coben.

I've rather enjoyed The Last Kingdom so far and I wasn't sure I was going to for a while after bouncing off the audiobooks of his Arthur series years back. The Lords of the North was great and I've got like 20 pages left of my current book which was strong but perhaps the weakest novel so far despite it having lots of strong parts,

[Anonymous No.23480172]

>>23476116
>last
A Princess of Mars
>current
12月のベロニカ
>next
Aquanaut Chronicle

[Anonymous No.23480182]

>>23480127
I thought book 1 sucked after the intro or so, but I constantly hear good things about it. Is there a big improvement in book 2 or did you just like the whole thing about as much?

[Anonymous No.23480188]

Actually good sff:
>The Hobbit
>The Time Machine
>The Broken Sword
>The Stars My Destination
>Conan
>Dune
>Neuromancer
>Swords and Deviltry
>Wizard of Earthsea
>Shadow of the Torturer
>Titus Groan
>Blind Voices
>Fevre Dream
>Berserk
>Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind
>Illuminatus!
>The End of Eternity
>His Majesty's Dragon
>Bridge of Birds
>Soon I Will Be Invincible
>Spaceman Blues
>Neverwhere
>Lord of Light
>The Forever War
>The Pastel City
>Cloud Atlas
>Black Leopard Red Wolf
>The Swords Trilogy
>Assassins Apprentice
>A Song of Ice and Fire
>The Darkness That Comes Before
>Lovecraft
>Borges
>Jack Vance
>John Crowley

[Anonymous No.23480219]

>>23480188
>Neuromancer
Do you think the whole series is worth reading?

[Anonymous No.23480227]

>>23480182
Book 2 changes up the setting a lot, they are now in space, lot of time has passed, and their are dealing with more SciFi elements, it's pretty different. Definitively more space warfare and horror
(start getting into the scienceFICTION at the end, with MC being 'chosen one'. This remains a key plot for the rest of the series)
Book 3 changes it up again, to the imperial court and military. My favorite is the political/intrigue parts.

[Anonymous No.23480280]

>>23480219
I read Idoru and it sucked so I never really read anymore Gibson. Always been curious about the Neuromancer sequels.

[Anonymous No.23480341]

>>23479957
Many such cases

[Anonymous No.23480503]

>>23480188
>Dune
stopped reading there lol

[Anonymous No.23480583]

What's the appeal of this series exactly? I tried reading the first book and found it mind numbingly boring.

[Anonymous No.23480588]

>>23480583
It's a journey

[Anonymous No.23480591]

>>23480089
That's because you're dumb

[Anonymous No.23480631]

>>23480583
The west hadn't discovered xianxia yet

[Anonymous No.23480632]

>>23480591
Wow, gays are so heckin' cute and wholesome and romantic and exactly the same as hetero couples!

>Flushes the shit and intestinal lining out of his colon to prepare for sex.
>Uses synthetic lubricant to forcefully slip a penis into his dry shit-pipe.
>Wears adult diapers because his abused sphincter doesn't stay fully closed anymore.

[Anonymous No.23480635]

>>23479188
"To be fair, you have to have to be pretty advanced in years to appreciate the works of fantasy."

[Anonymous No.23480688]

>>23480632
for me it's the bug parties and piss orgies

[Anonymous No.23480702]

>>23480583
The 1st one is the worst one, a lotr copy with a rushed ending. Gets a lot better with the 2nd book

[Anonymous No.23480747]

>>23480012
>just anything in the stalker genre.
I was in St. Petersburg at the height of STALKER popularity, and a bookstore there had an entire wall of modern novels based on the game series. No idea about their English language availability, but they're there. But for more like Roadside Picnic... well, the more serious Strugatsky novels apply. Same writers, same style.

[Anonymous No.23480876]

>>23480012
>>23480747
99% of them are bottom of the barrel slop, and there's almost four hundreds of them. Tumanovsky and Kulikov stories are alright-ish, I guess, just don't expect much.
And as far as I can tell none of them were ever translated to English, so you're out of luck anyway.

[Anonymous No.23480968]

>>23478276
that three books about Cage from Gav Thrope

[Anonymous No.23481049]

>>23479277
>The Chain of Dogs is one of the only times you see two forces fighting at the top of their capability
I don't really give a shit about extended battle scenes with a bunch of different groups I don't know or care about, and the whole Chain of Dogs storyline was basically that. Why should I give a shit about page after page talking about x clan attacking from y flank and y clan being at z ridge. I can enjoy a nice tightly written skirmish or duel which we got some in GotM.

I really liked the Mappo/Icarium plot and wished the book was more focused on that. Felisin's and Kalam's plots were alright too, but the Chain of Dogs which was pretty much half the book dragged it down a lot for me. I don't even get why people jerk off Coltaine in this book, we don't see much of him and he doesn't get any development, just a couple scenes of people talking to him where he could just be any random cardboard-cutout commander. The end of the storyline with Coltaine dying and them getting -gasp- betrayed by the -gasp- shady dude just felt like a whimper after all the time the book spent on it.

Also at the end when the group meets with Shadowthrone had him feeling like a saturday morning cartoon villain which also made it fall flat for me.

[Anonymous No.23481091]

>racism BAD!
>white peepol BAD!
Why did I get pranked into reading 500 pages of this? It started out pretty ok with a cool idea for the magic and for the first 1-200 pages or so it lulled me into thinking (or maybe it was just wishful thinking on my part) that it was going to be a mystery novel in a magical academic setting, and I thought I could stomach some preaching woven into that. But no, it dropped all of the stuff that made it start out good and just went full woke-twitter for the rest of it. Not recommended and I won't be reading any of her other books (luckily this was my first one).

[Anonymous No.23481093]

>>23476116
>last
The Tainted Cup
The Silverblood Promise
>current
The Will of the Many (~12%)
>next
not sure

I liked The Tainted Cup because of the plant magic/engineering, but the lady detective boss of the MC is a terrible character. I'm assuming book 2 will explore the Leviathans more.

Silverblood was ok. The sequel could be good if there's more focus on magic and the ancient civ, less on the basic bitch corruption/power/waaaahhh rich people themes, and if the debut author matures in his writing skill at all. It doesn't waste your time thankfully, almost no downtime between events.

The Will of the Many is interesting so far now that I have gotten used to a present tense pov again. Haven't read one of those since Red Rising.

[Anonymous No.23481104]

>>23475857
Are all of Gene Wolf's Sun books good, or do they vary in quality (Long Sun and Short Sun)?

[Anonymous No.23481111]

>>23481104
Gene Wolfe has no bad books. Long Sun has a distinct stylistic difference to the Severian books though, a much more traditional 3rd person narrative.

[Anonymous No.23481130]

>>23481049
>a bunch of different groups I don't know or care about
the Mazalan Empire is literally just that: a bunch of different groups that nobody cares about.
You were supposed to connect with Coltaine early because he demonstrated competence in getting his forces out of the city. The author didnt do a particularly good job communicating the scope of the Whirlwind and its aftereffects, especially because it happened at the same time that Onearms Host was getting destroyed, but it was basically like a plague.
Its not really about the character himself but more about what the military action represented. There are very few glorious battles in the series; most of the fights are basically due to fuckups or breakdowns of communication resulting in people getting killed for no real benefit. The retreat with the civilians was the close to an unambiguously positive outcome.
Which is why it spawned an in-universe cult of idiots who worship Coltaine.
If you didn't like it you're hopeless. I gotta blow some compressed air under my ' key.

[Anonymous No.23481207]

What would be the best work for beginners to start reading xianxia?

[Anonymous No.23481225]

>>23475857
Is Second Foundation worth reading if I really liked the first book, but got completely filtered by Foundation and Empire?

[Anonymous No.23481242]

>>23481091
Western-born asians have a major inferiority complex and many of them wind up racist against whites. It's especially pathetic when they refer to themselves as POCs and champion social justice, because brown people don't fuck with them at all. I assume it's because they tend to not question authority, so when they are presented with the claim in school that white men are the cause of all the world's problems they blindly accept it. The ones born in their own countries tend to be somewhat xenophobic but not resentfully hateful in the same way.

The Poppy War is racist af too though, only against Japs (which is understandable coming from a chinaman woman).

[Anonymous No.23481322]

>>23476838
I think so. I read it in high school and still remember it fondly.

[Anonymous No.23481337]

>>23480583
the first one is literally just a retelling of LotR, even Jordan admitted it. Apparently it gets significantly better later on.
I'm on the third book right now and I'm enjoying it, especially how Rand has those schizo episodes due to the saidin corruption. I need more books like that.

[Anonymous No.23481371]

>>23480632
Gm sir

[Anonymous No.23481446]

Is there anywhere I can get a good synopsis on book of the new sun? I want to read urth but it's been a while since I read new sun, but not long enough to actually reread it.

[Anonymous No.23481507]

>the city of dreaming books
>Rumo and his miraculous adventures
sorry to shill but every book i read by Walter Moers leaves me happier, this man is a genius of world building and fun adventures

[Anonymous No.23481611]

>>23481337
>Rand has those schizo episodes due to the saidin corruption
You're in for a ride anon.

[Anonymous No.23481655]

>>23481225
Eh. That's all I can really say about it. I can hardly even remember what it's about except that the friendly old couple of farmers you meet are secretly the Second Foundation's First Speaker

[Anonymous No.23481658]

is this shit any good? anybody here read it?

[Anonymous No.23481669]

>>23480632
You've given this a great deal of thought it seems

[Anonymous No.23481671]

>>23481091
But the author dates, fucks, and loves white people. She also hates Asian guys.

[Anonymous No.23481684]

>>23481658
No
Yes
Was pretty awful actually

[Anonymous No.23481702]

>>23480188
This exact image got me to read Second Apocalypse, I just finished White-Luck Warrior and I have to ask, why the hell are the Emwama depicted that way? Is the onions dogjak a comment on their unerring loyalty after generations? I vaguely recall they wouldn't revolt when given chorae

[Anonymous No.23481710]

Just finished reading the Eternal Sacred King.

It's a pretty good traditional xanxia. Possibly on par with even Martial World. This novel is better in some ways than Martial World abd worse in other ways. All in all it's definitely on of top tier xanxias out there.

[Anonymous No.23481717]

>>23481446
My guy I'm going to be honest with you, I'm about halfway through Urth and it's a slog. I loved the trilogy and I'm probably just being filtered but the whole thing feels like a fever dream and not much at all like it's predecessors. I'm imagining it wraps up nicely but I think you should only bother if you're a really serious fan of Wolfe

[Anonymous No.23481735]

Have any of you anons read this? Goodreads don't seem to like it but that just makes me want to read it more.

[Anonymous No.23481739]

>>23481671
Many such cases

[Anonymous No.23481745]

>>23481669
it's just common sense knowing degeneracy

[Anonymous No.23481748]

The time for mercy is past. Bring me their heads.

[Anonymous No.23481799]

>>23481735
My general rule of thumb for goodreads is that if the book has a score between 3 and 4 it's probably good and if the score is under 3 or above 4 then it's probably terrible

[Anonymous No.23481901]

>>23480127
I've heard the series is filled with SJW shite. Is that true?

[Anonymous No.23481906]

>>23481091
>R.F. Kuang
>Known SJW author
Your fault for not doing your due diligence.

[Anonymous No.23481982]

>>23481710
>A is better than B
Care to explain why?

[Anonymous No.23482004]

>>23477557
Huh, I remember liking this second trilogy a lot

[Anonymous No.23482018]

>>23476116
>last
The Wandering Inn
>current
Mistborn Era 2. (Currently reading through Secret history before book 4)
It's been pretty fun. I like magic system/worldbuilding, which is the main reason anyone would read anything Sanderson, but some of the characters are also pretty interesting (Steris my beloved)
>next
Continue reading TWI, and start either The Broken Empire Trilogy (heard it's comically edgy) or Lord of Mysteries (It's a chink webnovel, but heard it's neat)

[Anonymous No.23482028]

>>23481748
SCOTT LYNCH YOU BASTARD, STOP TWEETING ABOUT TRUMP AND SEXUALLY HARASSING YOUR ASSISTANTS AND GIVE US MORE BOOKS

[Anonymous No.23482035]

>>23482028

[Anonymous No.23482085]

>>23481799
Check out the rating deficit between Thomas Covenant I and II & III. That's entirely, 100% because he fucked the underage grill.
After a while I can predict precisely how much the rating is impacted due to deficits of moral character. It's a real bitch skill; like going to the mall and predicting how much the shoes cost.
Also, paid reviews on the sequels.
>A real masterpiece of storytelling, [author's name] has created a momentous saga in [book's name]
>the sequel in question kinda sucks
suck my dick
I do really appreciate the website when I find some opiniated asshole and stalk his profile. I've got some meaningful recs that way:
https://www.goodreads.com/review/list/2822065-mark-pantoja?shelf=real-good-but-not-great-science-fic
But ultimately RYM is the only review site worth shit... when I read some autistic German write three paragraphs about some metal album that was 10 years in the making, it makes me feel like I'm getting brainwashed by a real human bean and not some social media major.

[Anonymous No.23482103]

>>23482018
>Steris my beloved
dude what the FUCK
I hate when they try to portray a quirky/nerdy character with the trope:
>there are 43 kinds of sushi on the menu
>I planned exactly 311 contingencies for evading my taxes
That's just lazy writing. I've spent my entire childhood around over-achieving smart/quirky/nerdy people and I have the 'burgers myself, and nobody, including me, has ever counted the numbers of things and then communicated it. It's literally just a lazy trope perpetuated by normies because they can't be bothered to think of any plausible examples of cognitive inflexibility or abnormal socialization.
100% triggered
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[Anonymous No.23482217]

>>23479960
I agree for the most part. I think Mat's story is very good as a break from Rand's shenanigans. Perrin had potential but then Faile came along. At most the girls should've been relegated to occasional updates.

In a perfect world, Jordan would've focused solely on the 3 ta'veren and just gave the necessary updates for the rest of the cast.

[Anonymous No.23482343]

Question to the Bakkerfags: in "The Judging Eye", when the gang travels through notMoria and runs away from the notBalrog, Mimara looks at a chorae with the Eye and sees it as a true "tear of God", after which she exorcises the shade. If sorcery is not a sin (as it was edited into the Tusk by the Consult) and chorae are the work of aporetic sorcery (man-, or rather Nonman-made), why does Mimara see what she sees and how is she able to banish the spirit? That whole bit was written as some kind of revelation and "power unlocked" moment, but it doesn't come up in any shape or form again (as far as I read, which is roughly till half of TUC)

[Anonymous No.23482357]

>>23482028
the last one was actually really bad so I don't even care about him anymore

[Anonymous No.23482505]

>>23482357
the second wasnt particularly good either

[Anonymous No.23482626]

Read Tenebroum

[Anonymous No.23482759]

>>23476116
>Last
Hyperion Cantos
>Current
Dangerous Visions OG
>Next
The Memory Police

[Anonymous No.23482779]

>>23476116
>last
Chaos and Order by Stephen R. Donaldson
>current
This Day All Gods Die by Stephen R. Donaldson
>next
Not sure yet might start Judas Unchained or pick Malazan back up with Midnight Tides. Depends on how long it takes me to beat SMT VV when it comes out soon

[Anonymous No.23482787]

>>23482505
>>23482357
IMO the second one was the worst one.
The Lies of Locke Lamorra is among the best fantasy books I've ever read.
Red Seas under Red Skies seems like the author just picked a naval manual and really wanted to show us some nautical stff while giving us a story that's a filler arc within a filler arc. I absolutely despise it
Republic of Thieves is still significantly worse than the first, but as a romancefag I'll admit I was hooked by the romance shenanigans, so i can't hate the book that much. However the ending is narratively repuslive

[Anonymous No.23482805]

>>23482085
> spoiler
I don't blame them. Even I got filtered by that part, to the point of dropping the books when it wasn't addressed for like 50 pages after it happened.

I do plan on picking the book back up eventually, but yikes the aftermath of that was really unsettling

[Anonymous No.23482811]

>>23482103
Cope and seethe, Steris is my wife and she is perfect

[Anonymous No.23482823]

>newfag likes a literally autistic character and can't defend her
big surprise

[Anonymous No.23482903]

our science queen is reading scifi, how is her taste?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxpKI99eNEQ

[Anonymous No.23482965]

>>23479565
I love the main saga that involves Fitz but I generally skip the non essential books, liveship traders included. May do a re-read later. Such a shame her only other book series includes some dude who becomes fat to own the patriarchy.

[Anonymous No.23483008]

>>23482805
I don't see the problem with it. He wakes up on a physics-defying outcropping without his hideous and improbable deformity, assumes he's dreaming and then proceeds to fuck everything that moves.
If you don't do this when you're lucid dreaming, it's a missed opportunity.
Nor is the aftermath particularly unrealistic. He just gets on with the saving the world shtick. It's not like they're exactly in the mood to hear his apology five seconds after the fuckup. People need time to process that stuff and he couldn't undo it anyway.
Plus he makes a bad impression which follows him around for all the sequels so it's not like anybody forgot about it or his actions don't have consequences. They just don't chop off his head because they're not that bloodthirsty.

[Anonymous No.23483023]

What are the best Arthurian pastiches? That is, stories about Arthurian legendry that aren't recitations of pre-existing medieval tales?
For example, there's Sword at Sunset by Rosemary Sutcliffe, which tries to make the story as "historically accurate" as possible. There's The Fionavar Tapestry by Guy Gavriel Kay, an epic fantasy which sort of "conscripts" the literary King Arthur as a sort of meta-being. And then there's The Last Legion by Valerio Massimo Manfredi, who uses the last Roman Emperor Romulus Augustulus as the presumptive identity of Uther Pendragon, who escapes Odoacer and flees to Britain.

[Anonymous No.23483050]

>>23476034
The prologue for Winter's Heart fully convinced me the entire Trakand family was a mistake. Elayne is insufferable, Gawyn is a faggot, and the other one is so irrelevant post Fires of Heaven that I don't even remember his fucking name.

[Anonymous No.23483066]

Anyway, that's not the point. The point is that people give it a worse rating because they feel affronted being forced to ride along with a rapist as the narrator.
I don't like that attitude. First of all, it's against the Bible. You can't just ostracize somebody because they sinned. If it's too difficult to love somebody and it makes you cry, then that's the whole entire reason to try harder. I wasn't raised as a Christian, but it annoys me when people who were raised on Judeo-Christian morality take their intrinsic moral high ground shit for granted but they don't actually pay attention to anything it says in the source material.
Second, you have people like pic related, or DFW, who literally killed themselves. Not even as a character -- they committed suicide IRL. ALso Grendel, also Camus and existentialism as a whole. You can say they all made the worst writing ever, and some people may even believe it, but literature is not a vehicle for modeling socially-acceptable behavior. It's always been something more, which gives us a way to empathize with people, and to think about their ideas, no matter how fucked up they are and largely independently of whether or not they could afford to put their shitty screenplays on the big screen, etc. etc.
If it's just too difficult to relate to somebody through narrative fiction... wow, you're a low-quality human. You should try volunteering at a soup kitchen, where you'll see some (real) shit.
There's also the whole 'Murrikan thing about sex taboos but that's another topic entirely.

[Anonymous No.23483067]

>>23481507
Walter Moers shill here. I fully agree and will keep shilling. Haven't read City of Dreaming Books, tho. But Captain Bluebear and Rumo are super kino reads, imo.

[Anonymous No.23483073]

>>23480632
Sir, this is a Wendy's.

[Anonymous No.23483075]

>>23480688
le do I even wanna know...?

[Anonymous No.23483086]

>>23481337
Wait until you get to Lord of Chaos.

[Anonymous No.23483090]

>>23483008
The problem, at least from my point of view, is how from what I'd read at least he doesn't acknowledge what happens at all. No remorse, no second guessing, not even self rationalization over what happened, just no recognition at all. He just completely glosses over the fact he raped a 16 year old, even when the text shows other people reacting to it.
I'd get not wanting to make amends immediately after what happened, but as far as I'd read he didn't even recognize there was anything to make amends over.
it is good to know there are long term consequences to what happened, but for the guy himself to harbor no reaction completely drained the good will I'd built for the character (which is a shame, as I found the asshole but self pitying leper angle really understandable, interesting and engaging)

[Anonymous No.23483094]

>>23479113
Tolkien is pretty top tier when it comes to escapism, imo. You can try some other lighter reads, too, like The Hobbit.

[Anonymous No.23483107]

>>23483023
I really enjoyed A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court. It's about a "modern" man that gets transported to the time of King Arthur and it's pretty funny how he survives and makes ends meet while also having a lot of interaction with characters like the king, Morgan and Merlin. However, if what you're looking is for fantastical, this book is a much more realistic look at how the times of King Arthur could've looked like in real life.

[Anonymous No.23483108]

>>23480583

The value of the books are that they’re pretty good demonstration of the butterfly effect and how small decisions impact the fate of everything…but I don’t necessarily think they were worth it. That being said it’s fun going into Malazan and pretending it’s a sequel series to WOT. I will not elaborate.

[Anonymous No.23483118]

>>23475857

Just finished Urth of the New Sun. Do I continue with the rest of the Solar Cycle or is it like Dune where people often stop at God Emperor?

[Anonymous No.23483123]

>>23483090
It was quite realistic, actually. You try to project your own emotional responses onto him, but he has a blunted affect and doesn't feel things the way you think that he should. In the beginning it literally shows how he's driven by anger and by a desire to get back at, and get revenge on, the people who wronged him (townspeople, cops etc.). That's what motivates him, and it's literally the purpose of anger -- to allow survival in extremely stressful situations.
Only at the very end of his hero's journey (avoiding spoilers here) does he choose life for its own sake, out of love rather than as a reflex knee-jerk reaction to pain. When he does the thing where he checks himself for injuries, it's out of a reflexive desire to live, but it shows that it's mechanical and unsustainable.
The author's dad was a physician (IRL). If you read existentialist lit., it has the same theme where the characters tend to do things without feeling. The Stranger comes to mind.

[Anonymous No.23483125]

Any science fiction with mechs?

[Anonymous No.23483216]

>>23483107
I've read Connecticut Yankee. Like all of Twain's works, it was eminently snide and sarcastic; it was a longwinded screed against "the dark ages" and sniffing his own liberal enlightenment farts as he praises industrialism, capitalism, and the abandonment of silly superstitions. At least, unlike Ayn Rand, Mark Twain had the decency to keep his political rants far under 1000 pages.

[Anonymous No.23483218]

>>23483067
I have to agree, I read some of his books when I was younger, I went back and they're all still really enjoyable to read. His world is a lot of fun to read about.

[Anonymous No.23483224]

>>23482343
sorcery IS a sin tho?

[Anonymous No.23483264]

>>23483125
BattleTech?

[Anonymous No.23483303]

>>23483216
>he praises industrialism, capitalism, and the abandonment of silly superstitions
Good shit. I'm so sick of the faux anti-industrialists on this board that exist solely because they decided to read Industrial Society and its Future off of a /lit/ recommendation and now they think they've got it all figured out. I guess Tolkien is wrapped up in there, as well. Those superstitions were silly, too. Don't pretend like they weren't. Lol, motherfucker wants to live in a world where tumblr-tier village astrology bullshit is accepted as plain fact. If there's anything the Catholic church did right, it's punishing superstition as an offense against the first commandment. Anyway, Twain was not nearly as one dimensional as you make him out to be.

[Anonymous No.23483306]

>>23483216
> Like all of Twain's works, it was eminently snide and sarcastic
Also, here's where anyone with a brain could tell that you're full of shit.

[Anonymous No.23483353]

>>23483306
>>23483303
these posters thing Picard is a better captain than Kirk

[Anonymous No.23483356]

>>23483303
>corn bread is bread
new worlders are a riot

[Anonymous No.23483372]

>>23483356
>grind cereal grain into a flour and combine with water to create a dough that rises in an oven
>not bread
The double irony is that the English used the word "corn" to refer to old-world grains before maize entered the consideration.

[Anonymous No.23483375]

>>23483372
bread should taste good was my point

[Anonymous No.23483380]

>>23483375
>he's only ever had northern "corn bread"

[Anonymous No.23483390]

>>23483380
and you've never eaten people bread poor NAian

[Anonymous No.23483396]

>>23483390
Glad to say we don't eat people in the states.

[Anonymous No.23483401]

Feels good to have never eaten "people bread"

[Anonymous No.23483405]

>>23483396
you chose to misread my post because you had no rebuttal

[Anonymous No.23483441]

>>23483123
Maybe we just have different appraisals of the text. I was able to understand the character and even empathize with him before that, and found almost everything justified and/or justifiable. And while I don't think the subject matter is inherently unwriteable, the fact that the text didn't justify or address it properly imo makes it even more jarring compared to the protagonist's previous actions.

I do plan on continuing to read the series, and maybe hindsight will justify the way things were done in the book, but that won't change my gut reaction to the event and how the book treated it (or rather didn't), and how jarring it was from how it was able to construct a reasonably well motivated character to that point.

[Anonymous No.23483464]

>>23480583
>What's the appeal of this series exactly?
Milf pussy

[Anonymous No.23483546]

>>23483464
That's not Tylin.

[Anonymous No.23483569]

>>23483546
the best thing about WOT is that there are a lot of milfs

[Anonymous No.23483644]

>>23481735
It's Glen Cook writing a Black Company prequel years after the time has passed, where he's selfaware and writing for a crowd of unwashed weeaboos, so he introduces kimono-wearing waifus with cute nekos who call people "bakas"(I'm not even kidding. Japanese as a language exists in the Black Company-verse)
3/5 its ok

[Anonymous No.23483657]

>>23483216
>it was a longwinded screed against "the dark ages"
How did you get THAT out of the book? Did you miss the part where everything gets insanely fucked up in the end because of the Yankee's industrial meddling? If anything, it was a longwinded screed on how stupid humans can be across time.

[Anonymous No.23483660]

anything remotely similar in tone

[Anonymous No.23483693]

FUCK I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT TO READ SOMEONE PLEASE GIVE ME A REC I'M PHYSICALLY INCAPABLE OF DECIDING ANYTHING ON MY OWN

[Anonymous No.23483714]

>>23483693

[Anonymous No.23483723]

>>23483660
>Dino Fantasy
Lord Dunsany
William Morris
Hope Mirlees
Thomas Burnett Swan maybe, he adds classical eroticsim in most of his works tho
>Not so Dino fantasy
Patricia McKillip
The Swords trilogy and it's sequel The Prince with the Silver Hand/Chronicles of Corum trilogy by Michael Moorcock
Indigo and Mirage by Louise Cooper
Seven Citadels by Geraldine Harris, super underrated series i m o
Sean Russell, especially "Moontide and Magic Rise" and "Swan's War"
The Book of Isle by Nancy Springer, same lady who wrote enola holmes, she wrote this back when she was still an author for adults

[Anonymous No.23483731]

>>23483693
Just read some Tie-in genreslop KINO like Battletech

[Anonymous No.23483770]

>>23483660
like what this guy said? >>23477406
or something else

[Anonymous No.23483833]

>>23483125
Red Rising

[Anonymous No.23483852]

>>23483714
>Gabriel the Tard
lmaooooooooo

[Anonymous No.23483864]

>>23483852
fun fact: he actually studied bushido in japan for a couple years before writing that book

[Anonymous No.23483891]

>>23481091
>I won't be reading any of her other books
>her
your own fault

[Anonymous No.23483959]

>>23483891
ok chuddie

[Anonymous No.23484000]

>>23483959
>xhe's a cuck

[Anonymous No.23484013]

started god emperor of dune earlier this week and so far it seems really goofy compared to the first three books

[Anonymous No.23484038]

>>23484013
I TURNED MYSELF INTO A WORM, DUNCAN-CLONE
I'M WORM-LETO

[Anonymous No.23484041]

>>23484013
a toddler killing a landwhale gay old man who levitates isn't goofy at all

[Anonymous No.23484049]

>>23484041
leto damning the romans is sillier than that

[Anonymous No.23484070]

>>23484049
sillier is having a best friend called Dan Ohio
also when paul told duncan he was worse than hitler lmao

[Anonymous No.23484144]

Any fantasy recs with a lot of mythological beasts/races? Something written for adults, not YA

[Anonymous No.23484591]

>>23482018
>Continue reading TWI
How far did you get

[Anonymous No.23484723]

>>23483224
Wasn't that a false flag by the Consult to keep the number of sorcerers in the world under control? And if it is a sin, chorae are the work sorcery, how can they be holy?

[Anonymous No.23484746]

>>23482343
>If sorcery is not a sin (as it was edited into the Tusk by the Consult)

Idk if its ever confirmed that Inrithism is the true way out of damnation, we see the survivor escape eternal hell and he was not exposed to the inrithi religion.

[Anonymous No.23484848]

>>23484746
>we see the survivor escape eternal hell
Damn, we do, when is that? I put the series on hiatus midway through TUC, needed a break

[Anonymous No.23484960]

>>23484723
>Wasn't that a false flag by the Consult to keep the number of sorcerers in the world under control?
What did Bakker mean by this?

[Anonymous No.23485066]

>>23484848
yep that happens in the great ordeal

[Anonymous No.23485182]

>>23485177
>>23485177
New

[Anonymous No.23485199]

>>23484591
10.11

[Anonymous No.23485372]

>>23485066
Really, when? I only recall him anheroing, I don't think anything happens after