/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.22961324]

>look at his writings
>it’s all occult schizo rambling

[Anonymous No.22961327]

Anon discovers the Renaissance and Early Modern period.

[Anonymous No.22961347]

>space is the sensorium of God
what the living fuck did Newton mean by this?

[Anonymous No.22961354]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyhoaKM3JcY

Isaac was a fellow mystic and not some cringy redditor

[Anonymous No.22961359]

>look at his writings
>it’s all occult schizo rambling

[Anonymous No.22961389]

Isaac’s obsessions with God and getting closer to divine understanding is by definition what you would call ‘mysticism’.

[Anonymous No.22961400]

EVERYTHING about reality is 1,000 times more complex, nuanced, subtle and interesting than we were taught to believe.

"Occult" literally just refers to all modalities of thought which dissent from materialism without ordering a rational theology that can be compatible with materialism. We know the religions have been compromised because they increasingly dispense with magical rituals, spirits, demons, visions and ecstasies. Instead it is modern man driving to work alone in his car with a Jesus loophole in an otherwise purely material existence.

[Anonymous No.22961401]

>>22961347
>>space is the sensorium of God
>what the living fuck did Newton mean by this?

I'm guessing he thinks of G_d as a universal mind or universal observer, and the purpose of space is arrange sensation in a way which is orderly and meaningful, rather than being a slurry of everything which could be felt happening at once.

[Anonymous No.22961403]

>>22961347
He was probably some sort of pantheist or panpsychist

[Anonymous No.22961429]

I wonder why newton never studied philosophy like leibniz or descartes. He is able to do theoretical work but only if it has practical applications which is why he was so into uncovering the nature of matter with alchemy.

[Anonymous No.22961577]

>>22961400
Retards don’t want to get this peak simplicity. Anything you don’t know is everything else out there, and there is *nothing* more occult than the deep black abyss that is space. Alien.

That is literally “magic” in the sense that it is a proxy/placeholder. Mysteries. The occult is quite literally synonymous with the arcane, the esoteric, the “eldritch”, or just mysticism, etc. It’s even in the latter’s name.

If wonder and mystery make magic, then ignorance is the greatest magic of all. At its simplest you had the ancients looking to the stars and considering them gods. Or looking to rocks and trees and rivers thinking they’re alive. The most wizardly/sagely of past natural philosophers were all lacing their limited understanding with the arrogance of the imagination. Many such cases.

So magic (“magic”) is just cutting edge understanding, and the modern wizard is the mad scientist, hanging off the edges. Magic has always lied within the mind’s eye, and it exists the same way cold or dark, or holes, exist. It is closer to an absence. Magic can’t actually exist, to exist. Its non-existence is a requirement when what is magic to one is definitely not magic to another—“that’s not magic, THIS is Magick!”—just like with the gods and religion in-general (“that’s not a god, THIS is a God!”). Tough. Does God consider Himself a god? Does the human consider themselves a god to an anthill? Does the wizard truly view their magic as magic? You have to consider both positions. You had natural philosophers who considered nature magic, and natural philosophers who did not. “If you don’t consider nature to be magical, then you don’t truly appreciate existence do you?”. That or “n-no, it’s a miracle, not magic, therefore you can’t prosecute me, nooo-“. The whole ‘magic vs miracles’ (or ‘magic vs science’) thing is a good litmus test to see how smart/dumb someone is. Magic IS “magic”.

What does the physicist say when they confront something new and/or bewildering? “Hmm. That’s weird. I wonder how that works…”. Sound familiar?

I’m actually of the opinion that magic can’t be used as a hard definition for anything, since anyone can use it to refer to mean anything sufficiently bewildering or horrifying (“I don’t like it and it scares me, I don’t understand it, therefore witchcraft”), and it survives as a soft description for anything sufficiently “magical”, otherwise you isolate “Magic™” from everything else out there that can be described as “magical”. Even math was treated as magic for thousands of years. There is nothing simpler than math.

If any hocus-pocus sorcery or witchcraft actually worked, I’d immediately assume it to be the games/machinations of alien powers. All myth and religion everywhere comes across as this. A game of some sort. Spells and such function too conveniently arbitrarily for them *not* to be entertained by *something*.

[Anonymous No.22961592]

>>22961577
Good post.

[Anonymous No.22961603]

We’ve no evidence that he had any interest in anything that we might think of today as magical or occult.

[Anonymous No.22961616]

>>22961603
He was literally a Christian

[Anonymous No.22961623]

>>22961616
“Inchanters, Magicians, Sorcerers, Necromancers & Witches signified deceivers and cheats who by certain forms of words & ceremonies & other juggling tricks pretended to supernatural powers & arts of prognosticating for magnifying themselves among the people.” — Bodleian Library, New College MSS. 361, II, fol. 133

“To believe that men or women can really divine, charm, inchant, bewitch or converse with spirits is a superstition of the same nature with believing that the idols of the gentiles were not vanities but had spirits really seated in them.” — Bodmer MS, 5A, fol. 8v

Newton categorically rejected the possibility of communicating with spirits, and he even disbelieved in the immortality of human souls. And what’s left of magic if one takes away all of the spirits?

[Anonymous No.22961641]

>>22961623
So you think the occult only has to do with ghosts? You think magic only has to do with the nebulous? Not artifice?

Sometimes I am blown away by people and their failure to grasp the weight and meaning of words.

[Anonymous No.22961654]

>>22961623
He was quite literally the heretical Christian-type, one of the hallmarks of being an occultist in that time. He delved into Hermetic/Alchemical lore. By default he was an occultist. He hid his views, but sometimes not.

>>>/his/16155631

[Anonymous No.22961667]

>>22961577
That was fun to read. There are definitely some very dark shadows running through this world, which men prefer to deny.

Everything mysterious displaces man's position within the fake reality he lives within. Men, preferring certainty, avoid all shadows, and so come up with explanations of the world that only describe a portion of it in isolation from the rest.

I think Mystery (I use this word in the sense you use magic, I think) is the fudnamental cosmological position of man. We do not get to know very much at all, not nearly enough to account for the shadows.

It irks me to no end how readily men assume a material cosmos, or a bifurcation of Heaven and Earth, or a Cosmos that has two or three realms, or nine, or whatever, as if any of these descriptions could ever come close to capturing the ALL.

Once you realize nobody actually knows what is going on, at all, your mind is free.

[Anonymous No.22961805]

>>22961324
Well yes he was a homosexual narcotics producers funded so the king could justify genocide and economic terror

[Anonymous No.22961850]

>>22961429
He did though. Newton was quite an accomplished philosopher in his own right. He was the real brains behind Samuel Clarke's answers in his polemic with Leibniz and essentially provided him with all the rejoinders which Clarke then redressed in his own fashion. Read Voltaire's Elements of Newton's Philosophy

[Anonymous No.22961882]

>>22961850
NTA, good post, I had no idea Leibniz read Newton as a philosopher, once again I feel misled by my modern """education""" which clearly intended to make Newton a model of rational thought rather than a complex man with a lot to say about a lot.

[Anonymous No.22961951]

>>22961623
Those descriptions don't fit Jesus because...they just don't okay!!!?

[Anonymous No.22962405]

Imagine actually thinking that Christianity hampered the sciences

[Anonymous No.22962748]

>>22961324
Modern scientism is also occult schizo ramblings - only of the shallow materialist tripe sort. The difference is you're actually initiated by society into being able to make sense of it, or at the very least it's normalised enough for you to not ring your instinctive alarm bells.

[Anonymous No.22962799]

>>22961400
Reality is also divinely simplex, but atomist metaphysics obfuscates all the wrong things and reduces other things.
>>22961603
We have mountains of evidence, but it's all buried in filing cabinets of random university faculties who refuse to discuss it publicly. And nobody is interested anyway. He considered his scientific work a mere off-shoot of his true investigation. And, yes he hated "magicians" because he was a puritan, but by our standards he was an occultist hermeticist through and through.
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5eb8zr

[Anonymous No.22962800]

>>22961324
Yes, and now you know what all true intellectuals strive toward.

[Anonymous No.22962825]

>>22962748
It's more like adherents of science consciously reject the domain of the occult and in doing so unconsciously invoke a spirituality called scientism. But without any occult understanding, those engaged in scientism can't understand how this is the case.

[Anonymous No.22962969]

>>22962799
He was a puritan asshole and hated everybody. Even the average Christian. He was a massive contrarian.

[Anonymous No.22963027]

He literally believed in the Philosopher’s Stone.

[Anonymous No.22963887]

>>22962825
That would be his (Neil's) first question? Really?

[Anonymous No.22964091]

>>22961850
Who do you think won the debate, now that the smoke was settled? To me, it's clear that Leibniz was running laps around Clarke, in terms of both clarity of thought and the arguments made. But Clarke said what people wanted to hear, and so he won.

[Anonymous No.22964310]

>>22961882
Leibniz and Newton were rivals in a way.

Have to keep in mind when they were active only like 10 people in the world understood them. So you’re high school teacher wouldn’t have a fucking cloud >>22962405

[Anonymous No.22964317]

>>22964091
Leibniz was sort of proven with Einstein in a way. Newton did his own prooving and now we’re stuck and you’ll have to choose

[Anonymous No.22964319]

>>22964310
>Leibniz and Newton were rivals in a way
Yeah bro I can read Wikipedia too, and learn that Leibnez approched calculus via differentiation and Newton approached it via integration. Neat. Do you have any of your own thoughts? What have you read by Leibnez or Newton?

Stop kidding yourself, idiot.

[Anonymous No.22964334]

>>22961603
Just 44 million words. Nothing major.

[Anonymous No.22964344]

>>22964310
It's sort of sad that such intelligent people can never be friends and are forced to correspond in such a juvenile manner. You get the same sense with michelangelo and da vinci.

[Anonymous No.22964361]

>>22963887
Understandable if you recognize that lefties are dogmatic and religious atheists, like a christian intending to ask god about degenerates at the pearly gates

[Anonymous No.22964367]

>>22961603
Retard, Newton's primary interest was religion and alchemy. Physics was his side job.

This sounds crazy until you look at his actual output and how he viewed the importance of his work in the context of his life.

[Anonymous No.22964383]

>>22964367
You could argue either way. He did alchemy to understand matter's essential form, hence physics. He was sort of frustrated with how easy it was to do math and not physics or experimentation.

[Anonymous No.22964408]

>>22963027
philosopher's stone is just stored and dried pee crystals

[Anonymous No.22964414]

>>22964408
I got philosopher stones all over my pee pee after I railed your mom and she liked it

[Anonymous No.22964706]

>>22962825
At this point I'm certain that he revels in being a smarmy smart-ass.

[Anonymous No.22964746]

>>22962969
So a /lit/ poster?

[Anonymous No.22964917]

>>22961347
>>22961347
Is it that fucking complicated you dumb little fucking computer robot? He encapsulates it perfectly in brevitous manner. I'll say it in robot. God senses through space.

[Anonymous No.22965220]

>>22964917
Yeah it does you fucking mental midget. How can space sense things? What if matter moves into it? Would it violate the speed of light? These are all valid questions!

[Anonymous No.22965305]

>>22965220
I think it's like a 3d being looking at a 2d world

[Anonymous No.22965320]

>>22965305
Extra dimensions could probably reduce problems with the speed of light I guess. Like folding over a paper so that the edges are closer to each other. But comparing empty space with matter-filled space is still an issue.

[Anonymous No.22965331]

>>22965220
An all knowing, all powerfull God, permeates the entire universe. The universe is information. Information is Gods mind. Don't ask for some bullshit psuedo proofs. If Newton could not provide, niether can I. Making it more complex or flowery is just vanity.

[Anonymous No.22965348]

>>22965220
>autism

[Anonymous No.22965352]

>>22965331
There's nothing wrong with asking for clarification or discussing the implications. People since Leibniz have been asking for what Newton meant by calling space the "sensorium" of God. It's a fair question.
>>22965348
Nothing wrong with autist on autist violence. Are you perhaps lost? You're in a Newton thread on 4chan.

[Anonymous No.22965487]

If you believe in God but don’t believe in magic, then I question your sanity, or inward thinking skills.

[Anonymous No.22965505]

>>22965487
magic =|= miracles

[Anonymous No.22965686]

>>22965505
You sound so retarded right now.

[Anonymous No.22965696]

>>22961324
So we all get that he communicated with Demons to come up with the fake math stuff, right?

[Anonymous No.22965727]

>smartest man around that pushed science centuries ahead years was into the gay magic fantasy???
>how could this be???
>REDDIT! DEBUNK THIS

>>22965505
>>22965686
There are differences. Miracles are angel-led and they know what they're doing. Mortal men are usually clueless, so their first choice when it comes to power is to bust the metaphysical door down, and nobody likes that.
I have time for questions today.

[Anonymous No.22965768]

>>22965727
>there are differences
No.

[Anonymous No.22965781]

>>22965768
And that shows that….

[Anonymous No.22965794]

>>22965768
Less than you would think. The Middle Age clerics are correct in their argument.
FYI the only difference between demons and angels is their code of conduct and consequently where their power is derived from. Well that and there's different classifications of angels a la Jewish Kabbalah (among other sources) and they informally segregate a little bit among type and faction.

[Anonymous No.22965804]

Most demons aren't even that evil. If you were an immortal, intelligent entity (odds are you're neither) would you subscribe to the Catholic tier litany and watch over the fuckers, or would you just fuck with humans all day? There are a few that like being a demon and play into the role.
>DIABOLUS, ACCUSER, SLANDERER!

[Anonymous No.22965826]

>>22965781
Not at all. Monks were literally practicing black magic “in the name of God”. Magic and miracles are downright synonymous.

The “wizards” of Egypt Moses faced were just priests of their own respective deities. It was a matter of scale, not class.

[Anonymous No.22965843]

>>22965826
With respect to Christianity, it really comes down to what you think "the call to be like Jesus" means. I prefer to argue with actions instead of words. I would post a fairy picture but I just made this here

[Anonymous No.22965846]

on that there retard juice today

[Anonymous No.22965910]

>>22961577
I appreciate this post, was a good read

[Anonymous No.22966084]

>>22962969
>The reasonable man adapts himself to the world: the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
Contrarians built your world.

[Anonymous No.22966116]

>>22966084
Ye and it sucks so we should kill them

[Anonymous No.22966129]

>>22966116
sounds contrarian

[Anonymous No.22966350]

>>22965846
what's this chart all about?

[Anonymous No.22966360]

>>22966350
Heresy!!!11

[Anonymous No.22966535]

>>22966360
by who? I don't really get the power ranking. why is moses stronger than abraham?

[Anonymous No.22966559]

>>22966535
Yahveh mostly guided Abraham and told him to go forth. While strong in faith there is very little actually known about him. Moses managed no end of miracles during a time that was creeping into widely-recorded history

[Anonymous No.22966632]

>>22961347
Newton was influenced by the Cambridge Platonists, particularly Henry More. Space is understood as an attribute of God. Read From the Closed World to the Infinite Universe by Alexandre Koyré.

[Anonymous No.22966990]

>>22966559
Didn't the early patriarchs live a lot longer than Moses though? Like idk, Moses parted the Red Sea, but does that compare to living for 800+ years?
>>22966632
Did they also understand space as a potency, an emptiness, etc.? It sounds weird to consider something of the material world to be an attribute of God, especially since it clashes so much with some older metaphysicians like Aquinas (I'm thinking about how he infamously argued about the "spatiality" of angels).

I'll look more into Koyré (already read some of his papers), but already I'm intrigued (if not gunning to critique what seems to be a completely alien position).

[Anonymous No.22967064]

>>22966990
Moses did begin his great adventure at 80, or so it was written.
Official Christen lore takes the values at face value. Neighboring Sumeria has some similarly named figures in their Sumerian Kings List (kingship descended from heaven, ten kings, then the flood) but the numbers are even more inflated. David Rohl has very quality research in "The Lost Testament" and he thinks the names might be family names or ruling dynasties. The longest-lived figures are always from before the Flood and the Bible has only vague statements that "the spirit of God was with them" before the Flood. Noah lives long afterwards.
In Atrahasis/Gilgamesh XI, Uta-(Naish)tim (Noah) is the only man from before the Flood. The Flood was intended to wipe out immortal people because of overpopulation. The gods recreate men to be mortal (you're welcome) but let Utnaishtim retain his longevity because he might as well be a god himself, or well Utnaishtim saved the gods because he was the only person making sacrifices while everyone was dying of famine, then plague, then the flood.
In pre-flood Genealogies the Nephilim and Annunaki will creep up. The Book of Enoch is the best corrupted lore you'll find about that and "giants came from the union of angels and women" is your second hint.

[Anonymous No.22967076]

>>22967064
>The Book of Enoch is the best corrupted lore you'll find about that and "giants came from the union of angels and women" is your second hint.
My favorite take on this came from a flat earth documentary (Ewaranon?). I don't believe in it, but damn is that specific video cozy and gives plenty of food for thought.

[Anonymous No.22967117]

>>22966990
Henry More breaks away from the scholastic/Aristotelian conception of space. On the one hand, he rejects the finititude of space that the earlier metaphysicians believed in, and on the other hand he believes space to be absolute, meaning that space is not simply the relation of the position of bodies, as the earlier metaphysicians believed, but space itself has a spiritual reality. He defines space as the absolute and infinite divine extension. That is how he considers it an attribute of God. So space itself is something spiritual, but material bodies are located within this spiritual extension. This is also what Newton means by "the sensorium of God".

Koyré's book is very much about how this evolution in the meaning of space took place. He first looks at how the finitude of space was dispensed with through the "Scienfic Revolution" (ie Copernicus, Kepler, Galileo, Descartes), then he shows how space became absolute and divinized by Henry More, and how this influenced Newton. The Leibniz-Clarke correspondence that anons mentioned is also covered in depth. So I would very much recommend it to anyone interested in the topic.

[Anonymous No.22967153]

>>22967117
A few questions, if you don't mind.
>rejects the finititude of space
So, as in, there is unlimited space and that there will always be space beyond the "horizons" of the universe?
>He defines space as the absolute and infinite divine extension. That is how he considers it an attribute of God. So space itself is something spiritual, but material bodies are located within this spiritual extension. This is also what Newton means by "the sensorium of God".
This sounds strongly Spinozist to me, at least in language. I wouldn't know enough Spinoza to critique it though. One thing that has always bothered me though is this idea of "extension." Extension... of what? Extension always seemed like a weasel word to describe the dimensionality and "limits/boundaries/etc." that material things seem to have.

[Anonymous No.22967301]

>>22967153
>So, as in, there is unlimited space and that there will always be space beyond the "horizons" of the universe?
Yes but this should not be understood as "infinite only with respect to us" but finite in reality, which was the position of Descartes. He understands it to be absolutely unlimited and infinite.

>Extension always seemed like a weasel word to describe the dimensionality and "limits/boundaries/etc." that material things seem to have.
What you described is what More calls "corporeal extension". But More argues extension can be both corporeal and incorporeal. Incorporeal extension is how space "pervades" the whole universe, and thus allows material bodies to exist in it.

[Anonymous No.22967788]

>>22962799
>>22962969
There are multiple credible historians who believe him to have been a closet Catholic. Calling him a Puritan is silly.

[Anonymous No.22967797]

>>22967301
I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around incorporeal extension. What is it exactly?

[Anonymous No.22967802]

>>22967788
Newton loved to call people he hated "Papists" and things he found evil "popery." You sure he was a secret Catholic?

[Anonymous No.22968298]

>>22967788
>closet catholic
>closet puritan
those were just the two main sides opposing the mainstream anglican church. most likely he was just very independent and had his own more logical beliefs, e.g. unitarianism, which would've got him in trouble with everyone.

[Anonymous No.22968502]

>>22965826
Thaumaturgy (miracle work) is only a branch/type of magic.
>>22967301
>Incorporeal extension is how space "pervades" the whole universe, and thus allows material bodies to exist in it
Does he ever talk about his interpretation of Plato's Receptacle in The Republic? I've always likened these two notions, but I'm not sure if this is entirely sound.

[Anonymous No.22968762]

>>22968502
Moses would be as much a theurge as he is a thaumaturge. Although I'm not sure why you are trying to apply such designations here.

https://ejmmm2007.blogspot.com/2009/01/moses-magician.html

[Anonymous No.22968939]

>>22968762
Thanks for the graph, clears some things up.

>https://ejmmm2007.blogspot.com/2009/01/moses-magician.html
Is that you?

[Anonymous No.22969599]

>>22968939
>Is that you
No. But he did help me.

[Anonymous No.22969891]

>>22965352
Imagine a sensorium like a garden of every kind of perceivable, and in Newton's mind, probably imperceptible sense. All of it is so incredibly distant and vast, that only God, or a god-like entity, could get to experience all of it.
tl;dr: It's a commentary on the vastness of the universe, without it being reddit or gay.

[Anonymous No.22969937]

>>22961324
Many such cases

[Anonymous No.22969942]

>>22969937
Many

[Anonymous No.22970100]

>>22969891
Its still pretty fucking reddit and gay

[Anonymous No.22970983]

>>22970100
no YOUR gay and reddit…

[Anonymous No.22971847]

Is it true that Isaac Newton was a homosexual

[Anonymous No.22972130]

>>22971847
it is a fact that everyone in recorded history was a homosexual

[Anonymous No.22972642]

>>22972130
Just a little bit gayer than today in fact

[Anonymous No.22972695]

>>22971847
Newton was NOT gay. The good doctor confirmed his virginity at death. He knew having a woman around would impede his work and was too pure for hoes.

[Anonymous No.22972989]

>>22972695
>Newton was NOT gay.
Care to prove your theory?

[Anonymous No.22973121]

>>22972989
His note books are filled with sketches of anime girls and boobs

[Anonymous No.22973272]

>>22972695
How do you confirm virginity of a 70 yr old dead man?

[Anonymous No.22973719]

>>22967301
>>22967797
Incorporeal extension sounds like spiritual body, which sounds like a contradiction or a placeholder. The dark matter of philosophy.

[Anonymous No.22973723]

>>22961400
Sir this is an alcoholics forum

[Anonymous No.22974254]

>>22973121
Did he even know of or bother about Japan?

[Anonymous No.22974270]

>>22974254
yeah, he said he wanted to move there after college cause the chicks are more feminine

[Anonymous No.22974448]

>>22973272
The doctor was good. Also he was uncircumsized.

[Anonymous No.22974556]

>>22973719
Philosophy is allowed to have dark matter, unlike physics. There's nothing self-contradictory there.

[Anonymous No.22974559]

>>22974556
why

[Anonymous No.22974570]

>>22974559
Why would philosophy have to stick to strictly physicalist reductivism? Of course, physics doesn't either, but it decided to die on that hill at some point along the line.

[Anonymous No.22974590]

>>22974570
philosophy isn't synonymous for "let's just make shit up that doesn't make any sense for shits and giggles." being rigorous isn't solely for physicalists or whatever.

[Anonymous No.22974607]

>>22974590
neither is dark matter?

[Anonymous No.22974637]

>>22974607
So why isn't physics allowed to have dark matter then?

[Anonymous No.22974662]

>>22961401
TKD

[Anonymous No.22974664]

>>22974637
Dark matter is mostly just plugging holes to keep the foundational theory of physics from falling apart. While it is mathematically rigorous, it's only derived from the asinine first principles of physicalism that don't hold up to pure logical deduction or *physical observation*. The Newtonian worldview isn't very newtonian (Newton the man) at all.
https://youtu.be/vFN3m-YA9XY?si=DxD-ju0LtbkrmijQ

[Anonymous No.22974779]

>>22972989
can you prove your theory that he was?

[Anonymous No.22974789]

>>22961577
Magick is real, but otherwise good post.

[Anonymous No.22974863]

>>22962748
The difference is actually practical advancement in qol

[Anonymous No.22975010]

>>22974664
>Dark matter is mostly just plugging holes to keep the foundational theory of physics from falling apart.
Do you really have the mathematical foundation and empirical knowledge to even make that claim or are you just repeating the meme you heard?

[Anonymous No.22975018]

>>22975010
This is easy to answer in the negative since maybe 10 or so people in the world have.

But this is a discussion board, we can share our thinking and intuition here. One can say dark matter is entirely reasonable as a mysterious missing constant X keeps appearing everywhere in calculations, things being off just by X amount

[Anonymous No.22975056]

>>22961577
Interesting read but make it less figurative: put it into an explicit thesis

[Anonymous No.22975060]

>>22961324
>work of a genius looks like nonsense to a normal man
Sounds legit.

[Anonymous No.22975309]

>>22975018
>One can say dark matter is entirely reasonable as a mysterious missing constant X keeps appearing everywhere in calculations, things being off just by X amount
if it were just that then it wouldn't be such a problem

[Anonymous No.22976711]

>>22974789
>Magick is real
Only in the headspace

[Anonymous No.22977369]

>>22975060
Believing in God is surely nonsense though.

[Anonymous No.22977461]

>>22961324
>ISAACVS NEWTONVS
anglos are so cringe

[Anonymous No.22977467]

>>22975010
>you can only discuss the sacred mysteries if you have been ordained into the priesthood
fuck off nigga

[Anonymous No.22977534]

>>22977369
you’ve been btfo the entire thread and still ritualistically spout this. i’m sorry, but theism is too high iq for you

[Anonymous No.22977543]

Half of Newton's writings are important science and the other half are Aleister Crowley-tier schizo shit. He's an odd figure and there's a huge disconnect between how he gets remembered and what he actually was.

>>22967064
>flesh fang
into the trash it goes

[Anonymous No.22977717]

>>22961324
>learn how to speak english
>consider all verbal and written language to be schizo rambling
I am le based redditor guise

[Anonymous No.22978090]

>>22977534
Theism and atheism are both surely retarded though.

[Anonymous No.22978099]

>>22961359
OMG SO TRUE SISTER

[Anonymous No.22978100]

>>22977369
Only to fools.

[Anonymous No.22978757]

>>22961577
> If any hocus-pocus sorcery or witchcraft actually worked, I’d immediately assume it to be the games/machinations of alien powers. All myth and religion everywhere comes across as this. A game of some sort. Spells and such function too conveniently arbitrarily for them *not* to be entertained by *something*.

This fits with real world conceptions of magic, which was either the domain of man’s own intellect or ingenuity—that of natural “magics”/sciences; the stuff of artifice and metallurgy, natural alchemy/chemistry, astrology/astronomy, math and geometry, etc—or something else’s; an act of petitioning outside intelligences; that of high ritual and ceremonial magic(k)s; theurgic/goetic arts and practices, necromancy and demonology, spiritual alchemy/henosis, shamanism/mediumship, etc.

The influences of the inhuman contrasting with the human. It’s one or the other.

One could even argue that the latter is a clear and blatant violation of the “prime directive” if we’re going by Star Trek logic. The equivalent of an alien handing a lesser lifeform incomprehensible physics-advantages, shaped in strange ways. Of course, it's all natural or artificial at the end of the day, as even the inhuman would have their own internal logic to them. It’s merely a dangerous, wondrous gap.

Magic is more bad, or dangerous, than good, or safe. It isn’t honest as a rule.

[Anonymous No.22978971]

>>22978757
This is horrifying when you realize that ignorance (the imagination) outnumbers the truth (empiricism) a million fold.
A sufficiently advanced alien playing at ignorance could pretend to be whatever they damn well wanted to be.

[Anonymous No.22978988]

>>22978971
>A sufficiently advanced alien playing at ignorance could pretend to be whatever they damn well wanted to be.

Damn, aliens be using the astral plane to shitpost anonymously and spam the noosphere with forced memes.

[Anonymous No.22979010]

>>22978757
>>22978971
>>22978988
>ALIENS!!!11
Good lord, you people

[Anonymous No.22979103]

>>22979010
Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not. I find the latter exceedingly more absurd. I also find the notion that we haven’t been observed for thousands of years absurd too. Either they’ve been watching us for a while, or they’ve just shown up now. The latter is, again, the more absurd. It’s one or the other.

[Anonymous No.22980027]

>>22965727
>>22965794
>>22965804
>>22967064
>>22977467
>anime images
You need to kill yourself.

[Anonymous No.22980081]

>>22979103
It's not that absurd. Even our seemingly perfect planet still needed 4 billion years of relative stability to spit out a single viable species that probably will destroy itself before ever sending a crappy probe to another star system.
These aliens would need much more ridiculous miracles that may be unlikely to occur inside the current age of the galaxy, let alone the lifespan of a planet.

[Anonymous No.22980113]

>>22961805
Go on

[Anonymous No.22980340]

>>22961324
>listen to Kurt Cobain demo tapes
>its all skit based jokes humor thats really bad, invovling a high pitched fred voice and beans
Fucking Daniel Johnston rip off ass motherfucker

[Anonymous No.22980345]

>>22961359
but he's not a scientist

[Anonymous No.22980760]

>>22965220
Space is the perfect intercellular fluid for all sorts of "matter" to travel freely. Also our current understanding of space could be almost trivial to what actually going on in higher dimensions

[Anonymous No.22980798]

>>22968298
unitarianism is patently retarded, nothing logical about it

[Anonymous No.22980898]

You guys are dumb. I refuse to listen to you.

[Anonymous No.22981549]

>>22980898
And yet there are a couple of good posts in among the retards and schizo-babble
Makes you miss old /lit/ even more

[Anonymous No.22981554]

>>22961577
>There is nothing simpler than math.
getting a faux degree in social sciences is much much easier

[Anonymous No.22981559]

>>22981554
>>22978757
>>22975056
>>22974789
>>22974789

holy samefag cringe

[Anonymous No.22981606]

>I don't want to study for a degree or trade and find a job like my mom tells me to
>I want to masturbate to traps online and shitpost about meme magic and semen retention
>See the Big Man that redditors worship was also shitposting about meme magic and probably semen retention
>therefore I am like the Big Man and the dumb wagies like my mom are not like the Big Man that redditors like her worship
>I am based for my semen retention practices and my mom is cringe for bullying me into attenting a community college full of niggers
The most sane /x/ poster.

[Anonymous No.22981803]

>>22981559
I’m literally only one of those, you schizophrenic.

[Anonymous No.22982290]

>>22981554
Psychology will never, EVER be a true/hard science. Maybe to higher dimensional beings it would be, lmao.

[Anonymous No.22982896]

>>22981606
Sigh. You’re probably right.

[Anonymous No.22982994]

>>22981606
Do you have an argument or just an effeminate attempt at social shaming? Were you BTFO earlier in the thread and just had to get a parting shot?

[Anonymous No.22983010]

>>22961324
It’s almost as if the foundation of our reality understanding is occult schizophrenia and not muh science

[Anonymous No.22983013]

>>22983010
LARP

[Anonymous No.22983043]

>>22983013
I know it hurts to find out that your knowledge is based on fairy tales but welcome to life.

[Anonymous No.22983065]

>>22961403
Worst, unitarian.

[Anonymous No.22983107]

>>22983043
*tips fedora*

[Anonymous No.22983141]

>>22962825
This niggerman should be made the first pope, of fedora tippers.

[Anonymous No.22983503]

>>22980027
gb2rddt

[Anonymous No.22983959]

>>22983503
No, I was here first.

[Anonymous No.22983986]

>>22964361
Except that is a charicature of Christianity you just invented, while leftards are admittedly united by their opposition to Christianity and whites.

[Anonymous No.22984016]

>>22980345
Psychology is a science derived from psychiatry and vice versa

[Anonymous No.22984035]

>>22961400
Schizos are closer to God!

>>22961577
>If any hocus-pocus sorcery or witchcraft actually worked, I’d immediately assume it to be the games/machinations of alien powers.
Go ghost hunting and watch what happens.

[Anonymous No.22984329]

>>22961951
>>22961623

you are unironically fucking retarded. not believing in soothsaying and witchcraft was an orthodox christian stance since augsutine. bede himself said anyone who thinks they can speak to spirits has a christian faith worth nothing. the guy was a christian, you can die seething about it

[Anonymous No.22984637]

>>22978757
Yakub?

[Anonymous No.22984718]

We have no proof that Isaac Newton ever masturbated. None.

[Anonymous No.22985548]

>>22983107
How is he wrong? We’re just narrowing everything down to an assessable level.

[Anonymous No.22985558]

>In today's thread: /x/ but it's retro.

[Anonymous No.22985576]

>>22981554
Simple =/= easy.

[Anonymous No.22986157]

>>22985558
Is it really /x/ though?
Is logical thinking magical thinking?
I guess to a simpleton, it would be

[Anonymous No.22986161]

>>22985558
>Umm my professor told me only SCIENCE is real and mysticism is for chuds

[Anonymous No.22986185]

>>22985558
Believing in aliens is /x/ and it isn’t even crazy to believe in them.

[Anonymous No.22986753]

>>22986161
Isn’t mysticism literally just an attempt at understanding anything that can’t be understood the traditional scientific way? It is personal?

[Anonymous No.22986779]

>>22985558
Why do you keep making samefag drive-by posts?

[Anonymous No.22987260]

Newton was a mad lad

[Anonymous No.22987286]

there's just something so very right about the scrawny Anglo guy physiognomy.

[Anonymous No.22987294]

>>22987286
Physiognomy check: failed

[Anonymous No.22987317]

>>22961654
Hey I posted in that thread

[Anonymous No.22987389]

really fucking sucks that this thread has been kept afloat by 100+ replies and none of them have anything of substance to offer. not about Newton the man, not about the things he wrote, not about the issues he dealt with within his terms and time period, or even a general apprehension of the issues in general. just nothing but dogshit.

the fuck is your fucking problem people? do you really have to blueball me like this? why can't you go pollute some other thread and leave this one to die a dignified death?

[Anonymous No.22987406]

>>22987286
>"The way things are in nature, there's a natural law what guides it, and it binds everyone, see? And if you use your noggin, that's reason, that law tells all of us, if we bother to listen, that since we're all on the same level, and no one's better than another, no one should go around causing harm to someone else in their life, health, freedom, or what they own."

[Anonymous No.22987407]

>>22987389
No one cares about some meme character created by the Royal Society

[Anonymous No.22987413]

>>22987389
>>22984035
Take your fake-ass demiurge worshipping post and ram it up your pseud-crab sandhole!

[Anonymous No.22987801]

>>22987389
>and none of them have anything of substance to offer
Well that's just not true.

[Anonymous No.22988148]

>>22980027
Where do you think you are LOL

[Anonymous No.22988955]

>>22961324
you got filtered hard bro lmao

[Anonymous No.22989325]

>>22988955
How is acknowledging a based man’s high quality madness getting filtered?

[Anonymous No.22989623]

>>22987801
It's entirely true.

[Anonymous No.22989966]

>>22989623
I am seeing numerous helpful, and intelligent, posts up above, anon. You just don’t read, or absorb or assimilate information properly.

[Anonymous No.22989978]

>>22989966
In the last 80-100 posts? Absolutely not. They're all retarded and have nothing to do with Newton, early modern philosophy, or the issues they raised. Just
>this is gay
>Newton is gay
>Newton is reddit
>actually Newton was magical and magic is based
>ALIENS!!!
and other troglodyte thoughts. If you think any of these posts were insightful then you have legitimate brain damage.

[Anonymous No.22989982]

>>22964091
The smoke is never settled in the realm of philosophy.

[Anonymous No.22990025]

>>22974590
>philosophy isn't synonymous for "let's just make shit up that doesn't make any sense for shits and giggles."
a lot of it actually is

[Anonymous No.22990030]

>>22984016
>Psychology is a science
"No."

[Anonymous No.22990035]

>>22985558
Nobody's trying to summon a succubus here.

[Anonymous No.22990036]

>>22990025
Just like most of physics is explained by concepts like “dark matter” and other made up nonsense lmao

[Anonymous No.22990054]

>>22990036
The great undertaking of my life is trying to understand humans. I've come to the conclusion that having their beliefs reaffirmed is far more important to the overwhelming majority of people than finding the truth. People would rather feel right than be right.

[Anonymous No.22990665]

an odd thread to be sure

[Anonymous No.22991388]

>>22990665
>665
phew

[Anonymous No.22991557]

At the end of the day nobody knows what the fuck is going on and just tries feebly to grasp at what they surely can’t understand. It makes sense that people who want to “know” very badly end up going into “forbidden” zones of occult, magic, and all this other shit. It’s almost like there’s no other route. Newton was obsessed with hidden meaning in the Bible, he thought it was code from god that we had to decipher. He loved to save dates and numbers he thought had special meaning. Honestly sounds like a comfy hobby for the time, the Church would have not been happy about this.

[Anonymous No.22991568]

>>22991388
Nice

[Anonymous No.22991996]

Is there any past great who wasn't also a wacko?

[Anonymous No.22992997]

>>22962405
Thank Family Gay

[Anonymous No.22993102]

>>22992997
Disgusting meme.

[Anonymous No.22994139]

Imagine being Neil deGrasse Tyson, meeting his idol (yes, Isaac Newton), and quickly realizing how much of a prick he is/was. Probably racist too.

[Anonymous No.22994762]

>>22994139
He would be astonished that the negro can be so well informed.

[Anonymous No.22995172]

>>22994762
Would Newton have ever encountered a black man before this point?

[Anonymous No.22995262]

>>22995172
I'm sure the Royal Society kept a few on hand for experimental subjects.

[Anonymous No.22996371]

>>22990035
speak for yourself

[Anonymous No.22996860]

>>22992997
Seth MacFarlane has been an absolute disaster on the human species.

[Anonymous No.22997021]

>>22961400
Quantum mechanics seem so absurd and unintuitive that I'd consider it occult, even though it's demonstrable

[Anonymous No.22997098]

>>22997021
Cutting edge, "mad" science, science is always "demonstrably occult".

[Anonymous No.22998182]

a lot of mentally unwell people here i can tell

[Anonymous No.22998796]

>>22978757
Did that image actually happen

[Anonymous No.22998802]

>>22997021
Its not demonstrable but ok

[Anonymous No.22998806]

>>22961347
No hot without cold
No light without dark
God only exists because of what he is not (space)

[Anonymous No.22998829]

>>22998802
It's not demonstrably "I don't know..." ???

[Anonymous No.22999314]

Would Newton snort crack cocaine if offered?

[Anonymous No.23000489]

>>22999314
He stuck a rod into his eyeball what do you think

[Anonymous No.23001657]

>>22987389
What an idiotic post
You should be ashamed

[Anonymous No.23002137]

>>22962825
I am in awe of this man's refusal to not be a prick.

[Anonymous No.23003511]

>>23001657
kys retard. you can't shame me for saying the truth. nothing after the first 80-100 posts had anything of substance to say, and if you think differently, then you were clearly dropped on your head as a baby, raised eating lead paint chips, and looked up to the Paul brothers as model intellectuals. seriously, the fuck are you talking about? you should be ashamed for even trying to shame me for telling the truth.