/wg/ - Writing General

[Anonymous No.22029673]

Forbidden Love Edition

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Previous thread: >>22024789

[Anonymous No.22029685]

>write mai waifu
>Sex scene
>Literally cuck myself

[Anonymous No.22029686]

First for animewriter holocaust

[Anonymous No.22029694]

Here's a less retarded OP.

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Please limit excerpts to one post.
Give advice as much as you receive it to the best of your ability.
Follow prompts made below and discuss written works for practice; contribute and you shall receive.
If you have not performed a cursory proofread, do not expect to be treated kindly. Edit your work for spelling and grammar before posting.
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Simple guides on writing:
>https://youtu.be/pHdzv1NfZRM
>https://youtu.be/whPnobbck9s
>https://youtu.be/YAKcbvioxFk

[Anonymous No.22029701]

>>22028261
Anon if you're going to post a downscale of my cover art, could you at least use the title as the filename?

[Anonymous No.22029718]

I've had a strange and foreboding epiphany. Most of my ideas are just reshuffling genrefiction tropes and essentially remixing elements I've seen/read elsewhere. Only a small fraction is actually drawn from observation of life.
Could it be that my imagination and attentiveness to real life have been curbed by overconsumption of schlock? How do I cut away all the fluff that's not true to myself or to life? How do I expunge it from my system? I don't want to just become another Knausgård who just writes about mundane shit he did with his dumb kids and crazy wife, either.

[Anonymous No.22029726]

>>22029567
I think the issues of subsistence farming come from other people more than from the actual work. It's having neighbors penning in where you can work. It's needing to sell enough food to pay property taxes to the government. It's having all the wilderness cut down around you, preventing you from hunting game or grazing animals.

With no one else around, the range of the 'farm' becomes almost a scale comparible to hunter-gatherer expanses. It's not a matter of how many square feet can one man till, but setting up orchards and berry fields. There are fishing techniques that are illegal in modern day because they are so effective they're wasteful.

I guess it's something I have to think more on though. I plan to give him a robot house keeper to help, but I don't want it to end up that the robots are doing all the work.

That said, I've wishlisted that Greg Egan book. Thanks.

[Anonymous No.22029730]

>>22029718
>animewriter finally realizes why the rest of us hate him
pathetic.

[Anonymous No.22029731]

What chapter are you working on, novelist bros? Which draft is it?
>draft 3
>chapter 3
Rewriting how the protagonist's foil is introduced and cut out the absolutely atrocious lore dump, which shall be cut into pieces to reveal as background context and not as an essay. And I think some parts of it could start nice arguments between the two throughout the story rather than the protagonist just accepting it all at once.
Tomorrow I work on chapter 4 again, which has the inciting incident and probably my favorite part of the entire plot. Can't to wait to edit it.

[Anonymous No.22029732]

>>22029730
But I don't write anime, litrpg, cultivation or any of those.

[Anonymous No.22029736]

>>22029731
Draft 1, Chapter 12 on one project

Draft 2, Chapter 26 on another

Final Draft, Back Cover Blurb on yet another

Draft 1, Chapter 2 when I need to work on something fresh

[Anonymous No.22029738]

>>22029718
If you want to write, you need to live life, not just read about life.
You need to have unique, personal experiences, or else you're just regurgitating other people's experiences.
This is only an epiphany for antisocial shut-in NEETs.

[Anonymous No.22029745]

>>22029726
>I think the issues of subsistence farming come from other people more than from the actual work.
Yeah, there's definitely something to that. Things are different if you're cramped and all surplus is going towards feeding the non-farming part of society. You can easily justify a more relaxed lifestyle.
>That said, I've wishlisted that Greg Egan book. Thanks.
Have fun! It's a classic, but I hope I didn't oversell it—it's mainly about computer simulation and consciousness and modal realism.

[Anonymous No.22029747]

>>22029738
I'm sorry

[Anonymous No.22029751]

>>22029718
My outline was full of genre stuff from reading lots of scifi as a teen. What I did was analyzed my scenes and themes for the story and then tried to retell it without as many tropes. It took a lot of work to identify all the scifi, but now I have a story I am more proud of. I believe you can do it too.

[Anonymous No.22029757]

>>22029736
>Final Draft, Back Cover Blurb on yet another
Post it

[Anonymousn No.22029760]

>>22029673
Finally a good OP image. Every sentence in that book is entertaining.

>>22029718
'Observation' doesn't just mean the subject matter, but also the details of how you handle it. In a Dickens novel full of wacky Victorian grotesques and improbable plot twists, it still feels real because of his deep feeling for the characters and the liveliness of his dialogue.

[Anonymous No.22029761]

>Write Madoka fanfic months ago and post here
>Abandon the project for 7 months
>Rewrite it as an original story and post it again
>People still remember it
I'm gonna make it.

[Anonymous No.22029764]

>>22029738
A good writer should be exceptionally creative, observant, or experienced. Plenty of great writers were shut-ins. The epitome of the "experienced" creatives are writers like Bukowski and Hunter S. Thompson and Jack Kerouac. If that's what you want to be, sure, go out and binge drink and write about how you puked into the ocean at sunrise and it was beautiful, but don't pretend like that's everything or that it's anywhere close to the peak of literature.

[Anonymous No.22029780]

>>22029761
I never watched madoka but I know the /a/ threads for it were some of the biggest mental illness magnets ever. I know a couple of fans that went utterly insane, so I will write a book about it. Also you sound like one of the good ones.

[Anonymous No.22029781]

>>22029757
Gunna run it by an editor first

[Anonymous No.22029790]

>>22029781
Glad you have the money to spend to hire an editor

[Anonymous No.22029797]

>>22029780
Sorry famalam but someone already beat you to it.
Granted, it was written long before Madoka was a thing, but some things never change.

[Anonymous No.22029805]

Reminder that good writing comes largely from experience.

[Anonymous No.22029808]

>>22029790
He ain't charging me much.

[Anonymous No.22029814]

>>22029805
You don't have to rub it in my face...

[Anonymous No.22029826]

>>22029797
Qrd on that book? What year was it?
I will write a better story.

[Anonymous No.22029831]

I think I get why amateur writing is so shitty. They repeat things they've heard before, without knowing exactly why it was phrased that way to begin with or what it really means. It's the same way a child develops language. And the reason most writers are absolute dogshit is that they don't have the intellect to make it out of this developmental phase. That's why bad writing is filled with needless phrases that they thought sounded cool but don't fit in, "witty" quips that ruin the flow, cliches, and tropes/archetypes. The dumber 95% of humanity cannot come up with original thoughts--they can't even understand how and why language functions. Ironically this is exactly how AI works. Which means AI can replace shitty writing that would be filling the slush pile, but it can never replace writing of any merit. No matter how many repetitions, the monkey on a typewriter will get a form rejection. Techspergs lose again.

[Anonymous No.22029832]

>>22029745
>it's mainly about computer simulation and consciousness and modal realism.
Anon, I already said I wishlisted it. You don't need to sell me on it.

[Anonymous No.22029849]

>>22029831
bad writers are bad because they don't know what they're doing?
damn you figured it out

[Anonymous No.22029858]

>>22029826
Not fiction, is an in depth look at Otaku culture and the fascination both creators and fans have for cute girls doing action things. It explores the magical girl genre and it's transformations, the cultural differences between eastern and western slop... He even brings up an outsider artist who crafted an entire fictional universe of little girls having bloody battles illustrated through collage clippings that no one discovered until he died. Fascinating stuff
It goes from the 70's (or whenever anime started becoming a thing) to early 2000s.
The book argues that the whole "cute girls fighting" thing that Japan has going on is the product of sublimation of sexual repression and nothing more.
It's an interesting an easy read, recommended if you want to write something about men going insane over cartoons.

[Anonymous No.22029860]

>>22029832
I meant it in the other direction, to talk you out of it if it's not actually what you're after, so you don't read 100 pages and go "where table leg"
I am at all times very worried that something I say will waste someone's time

[Anonymous No.22029864]

>>22029805
I have no experience in sex... The only experience that matters

[Anonymous No.22029869]

>>22029860
Or if this was just a jokey way of saying that you like those elements then ignore my babbling

[Anonymous No.22029875]

>>22029808
Much is relative. For me $200 is too much.

[Anonymous No.22029887]

>>22029869
It was the Spider-man meme template.

[Anonymous No.22029919]

How do I get more views on my Royal Road story?

[Anonymous No.22029930]

>>22029919
Good summary, title, cover, and write a trendy topic. Buy advertisements. Network for shoutouts if you're cringe.

[Anonymous No.22029938]

>>22029930
Guess it's too late for me.

[Anonymous No.22029957]

>>22029875
What can you afford? I'll give you a discount

[Anonymous No.22029986]

>>22029858
I absolutely will read that, thanks so much. The project is underway but I am finishing other things first. But the context of the story is how someone ends up into one of those communities around here on an English speaking forum and trying to tie it into the incel struggle and Greek myths of men and women who swore they'd never marry. It's not just a new phenomenon, I think there's something really timeless about that, as well as the cynicism that some of those people that failed to find love have for waifufags (people that find love and comfort in those ideals they fear are gone). I think that conflict between two kinds of cynics is very wild, they are two different ways of coping with the wasteland that is modern love.

[Anonymous No.22030021]

>>22029938
Try again with a new story, then. Shouldn't be hard, at least if you could handle RoyalRoad in the first place. High output is almost necessary there. So just bash out the first several chapters to a different story and see if takes off. Rinse and repeat until you get it right.

[Anonymous No.22030043]

>>22029858
> Henry Darger
I may have to check that book out. Thank you for bringing it up.

[Anonymous No.22030055]

>>22029864
Sex is a means to an end. Don't be too envious of men who have lots of sex but who have no children. I put more stock in my father or my grandfathers than I ever would in someone like Andrew Tate simply because they crossed the actual finish line.

[Anonymous No.22030071]

>>22030055
I don't get what people see in Tate. He comes off as a jaded loser, I'd feel embarrassed to have him as a role model.

[Anonymous No.22030083]

>>22029731
>outline 1
>chapter 1
I wrote the first chapter to get a feel for if I liked the tone of the story and assess if my writing skills were currently good enough to make the concept work. Now I'm doing the storyboarding and outlining for it. Problem is I'm not sure if I like the plot I currently have for it because I want to make a really thematically tight story that doesn't waste time AND is emotionally impactful AND properly explores the subjects I wish to explore.

[Anonymous No.22030141]

>>22029764
Actually, I was thinking of Ian Fleming, who served in Military Intelligence during WWII, and parlayed those experiences into the James Bond series.
Jack London is another good example of someone who turned his life experiences into gripping fiction.
I could care less about self-destructive drunks.

[Anonymous No.22030154]

>>22030083
I went through that process too, where the first chapter isnt a real story. So I compiled the most important images and scenes I wanted a reader to see. Then I tried to explore the themes that went into it and explore those in the scenes that lead up to the big stuff as the payoff.
At least the way I look at it, a lot of very memorable stories boil down to some kind of impression. So I try to think about those scenes first and also be willing to rewrite the intro, climax and ending as necessary.

[Anonymous No.22030196]

>>22029831
Unfortunately for your theory, the limited intellect of AI will match the limited intellect of the mass audience, so it'll be really profitable.
Also...you betray your lack of knowledge, experience and imagination, by not realizing what commercial AI fiction production would be like.
For one thing...do you think ChatGPT just assimilates information in a totally noncurated way? Of course not. It takes humans to classify things.
Heck, here's an article about them whining:
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/we-are-grunt-workers-lowly-humans-helping-run-chatgpt-make-just-15-hour
AI-driven commercial fiction production would involve an AI coordinating a plethora of human writers, all generating ideas for small pieces, the sort of stuff the AI isn't good at.
The lack of real-world experience you identified as the problem behind amateur writing, is on full display here, in the way you totally missed the point about how AI writing would work.
None of you will gain the experience you need to write compelling fiction by being antisocial shut-in NEETs. That's just a Dunning-Kruger negative feedback loop.
Now go touch grass already! It's long overdue.

[Anonymous No.22030208]

>>22030071
Sane. At first I found him amusing because he seemed like he must be parody but apparently there are people who take him seriously.

[Anonymous No.22030264]

>>22030208
same deal with alex jones. characters like ali g or something
i always assumed that was the case anyway, until it wasnt. usually after i discovered their fanbases

[Anonymous No.22030300]

>>22030208
>>22030264
I actually kinda like Jones for a few reasons, it's just that as far as Tate goes I've never wanted to make physical or financial prowess justify the things someone says and much less guide who I what I want to believe.

[Anonymous No.22030308]

>The dumber 95% of humanity
people are smarter than you think, but they haven't had the same opportunity. that and..
i have some smart friends who've read hundreds of books, and now often read litrpg written in broken english by SEA.. they are well aware of they're getting into, it's just distilled progression they are shooting up and they dont care how dirty the needle is

>>22030196
don't really know about total NEETs, but plenty of successful fantasy authors are sheltered geeks. maybe that's not what you meant by 'compelling' fantasy, but what does it matter in that case

[Anonymous No.22030314]

Guys what are some things to keep in mind for writing a satisfying ending?

[Anonymous No.22030320]

>>22030314
i'll let you know when i finish writing anything, ever

[Anonymous No.22030336]

>>22030308
>successful fantasy authors
But is their work original, or just recycled tropes?
Remember, this conversation started >>22029718 here.

[Anonymous No.22030337]

>>22030314
I think endings are naturally disengaging (in that people automatically begin to check out more and more towards the end of a story). I think the best you can do is tie up a bunch of loose ends and themes present earlier in the story and not attempt to subvert the audience with some retarded twist that invalidates their involvement in the story (i.e. "it was all a dream!").
If you feel like you're supposed to write a happy ending and your gut's telling you to make it unhappy, or vice versa, then listen to your gut.

[Anonymous No.22030348]

How can I get better at writing metaphors and figurative language? I want to be so competent I can spout them incessantly with ease

[Anonymous No.22030352]

>>22029673
Happy new thread anon's! May our each and every sentence be plagiarized to help bring forth the singularity that much sooner, this fine and beautiful day!

[Anonymous No.22030357]

>>22030071
in a world where women rule thanks to the government and men are too apathetic and waste their time on frivolous things, someone like tate wants to be a role model so the next generation doesnt become total goys. my only criticisms of him is that he doesnt push the importance of god and spiritual well being

[Anonymous No.22030396]

>>22030314
Does your ending provide catharsis? What is the final word on themes, morals, etc woven into the plot? What did your character accomplish? What changed?

[Anonymous No.22030403]

>>22030348
Avoid direct language. Figure out wordplay. Paint a picture with your words.

[Anonymous No.22030414]

>>22030357
I can respect that. I just don't want the pendulum to swing too hard on wimmins though I doubt it could. Same feelings about spirituality, the main reason I was disinterested in him.

[Anonymous No.22030418]

Anyone know of stories that feature "storytelling" in them? In my novel, I have quite a few scenes that feature characters telling a story, so it's one of those story inside a story situations. I would appreciate some tips in how to write scenes like that or if anyone has knowledge of books that do this well.

[Anonymous No.22030419]

How do I write a female MC without it sounding like fapbait or mai waifu?

[Anonymous No.22030430]

>>22030352
>Not just ironically schizoposting until the chatbot becomes an UNironic schizo itself and only creates gobbledygook
ISHYGDDT

[Anonymous No.22030433]

>>22030336
recycled tropes

[Anonymous No.22030436]

>>22030418
1001 nights is the classic example.
Start here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frame_story

[Anonymous No.22030439]

>>22030419
Don't put them in sexual scenes or give them erotic descriptions would be my first guess. If you can replace the female MC with a male MC and nothing in the story changes then you're probably already good. Otherwise just make sure you aren't sexualizing them and there is pretty much no way it can sound like fapbait then.

[Anonymous No.22030442]

>>22030348
Instead of trying to force a comparison, I like to start with an idea and list out other themes in my story. Then I look at all the options of where the best comparison might lie. Sometimes the metaphor might not fit best in the section you were planning it for. Proceed with caution.

[Anonymous No.22030460]

>>22030418
name of the wind is framed as a story, narrated by the storyteller. there are scenes where they're back at the inn too, which is something like an intermission. it's a well written book, too.
it's pretty common in (epic) fantasy anyway.

[Anonymous No.22030471]

>>22030419
there's a lot to this, but if you plan your scenes around your main cast having needs and goals, you're probably on track. this is important for all characters

[Anonymous No.22030544]

>>22030439
But then wont it also seem like a neutered non character because they are missing a vital element?

[Anonymous No.22030571]

>>22030544
Well that depends. Is your female MC being erotic and sexual a main point in your story? Are there some scenes that are critical to the plot that would not occur without it? Are there theme of sexuality that you wish to explore in the work? Iif the answer is yes then I guess you would be correct, but if the sexualization of this character is not critical to the story, then it shouldn't seem like you're neutering your character because they should have things like goals and desires that carry the story far more than their massive titties.

[Anonymous No.22030613]

>>22030571
So if i dont mention physical attributes but still have them get side tracked into yearnings for other characters this is more organic?

[Anonymous No.22030616]

>>22030419
You take a big titty slut and add reason and accountability.

[Anonymous No.22030632]

>>22030613
Yes I would say so. For example, maybe what your character really wants is companionship and to feel loved, so the way they get it is by sleeping with someone, or maybe they need to manipulate someone so they get close to them by having sex. There you can go into detail if you want, and in a scene like that the reader will generally let you get away with more erotic descriptions if you really want that. But the MC should definitely have some sense of desires or hopes or dreams for something more than sex itself because that's not very interesting. So if they use their physical attributes to get something then it's okay to write about. You CAN mention physical attributes if you want during these scenes, but they should not be the central focus of the story or the character.

[Anonymous No.22030712]

>>22030419
the only surefire way to write a non-fapbait character is to write a non-fapbait character. You can't disguise your horniness after the fact.

[Anonymous No.22030715]

>>22029673
Here you go, fellas... Maybe post work instead of masturbating over being writers. PUT SKIN IN THE GAME.
>>22029831
That's an interesting point. I don't think many people know how creative thinking works, or how new avenues open from limitations.

[Anonymous No.22030719]

1000 words down today boys let's go

[Anonymous No.22030742]

Yo, any ideas on how to write an icy, conservative young lady who starts to realize that she may actually have feelings for the creepy loner of the class?

It's a fantasy story, with the plot being about a war between two sets of cosmic deities that is in danger of spilling onto Earth.

[Anonymous No.22030750]

>>22030742
Sounds like "Welcome To The NHK"
>woman has feelings for creepy loner
Yep, definitely a fantasy.

[Anonymous No.22030800]

>>22030715
The room was supposed to be secured. But that didn't mean it was. In other words, it might not be secure (just in case that wasn't clear. I am assuming, dear reader, that you suffer from profound mental retardation). Otter looked around the room with a single bionic eye. The eye was in his head, by the way, in case you imagined he was holding his eye up to his face like some kind of jeweler's loupe or spyglass. I could have written this as "Otter's bionic eye sweeped the room" or something similar but I just had to emphasize his monocularity in the most clumsy way imaginable so that I could set up this next line: his organic one was blind, murky with glaucoma. Then there was a knock at the door. Otter's hand hovered over the Desert Eagle on his hip. He edged toward the door, held his other hand around the doorknob, craned his ear to listen. Then he pulled it open (the door that is, not his ear) and slid the pistol into the knocker's face.

"Don't shoot!" they said, flushed. "It's me, Dr. Cortez!"

"Shit," Otter cursed (just in case you didn't know that "shit" is a curse word, my dear dimwitted reader).

He put the chunky pistol (yes, the pistol is chunky, similar to Campbell's soup or Jiffy's peanut butter, because I could not be bothered to come up with a better adjective to indicate its ponderousness) back into the holster. Dr. Cortez lowered his hands, adjusted their (in this clause he is gender fluid you hecking chud) tie awkwardly, and walked into the meeting room. His penciled mustache looked ridiculous, Otter thought to himself, but all academics looked ridiculous.

Can't even be bothered to do the rest.

[Anonymous No.22030865]

>>22030715
Maybe I should post my current project when I get home but it's quasi-gay quasi-furry fanfiction so I dunno if I can bear it. Right now it's gonna be masturbation by projecting the self onto the other.
>Then there was a knock on the door
"Then" is for strict ordering, like when one thing ends and the other begins shortly after. It's awkward if the prior action is looking around the room. Try taking away all "then"s and only putting them back whenever they leave a hole.
You use "they", "their" a few times for Dr Cortez. And then you switch from Dr to Prof. Keep it consistent.
All the sentences in your first paragraph are the same length, try to switch it up. There's a really nice image with colored text that talks about making the words sing, I'm sure somebody here has it.
>Cortez explained, if one could call it that.
This didn't quite work for me because there's no noun for "it" to refer to, so I went hunting in the quoted part. I'm not sure how best to fix it.

[Anonymous No.22030920]

>>22030419
Masturbate before writing.

[Anonymous No.22030983]

>>22030800
>>22030865
Pseuds. I’m a published sci fi writer with a PhD in science fiction studies. Your “critiques” were pitiful.

[Anonymous No.22030997]

>>22030920
Masturbate after writing as well. It'll help reinforce the habit.

[Anonymous No.22031008]

Can I imbibe a sense of rhythm from listening to audiobooks of great works of prose?

[Anonymous No.22031012]

>>22031008
Everything to do with language informs writing? What’s the point of asking this? If you want to understand stress of words, just listen to poetry and read a prosody.

[Anonymous No.22031037]

>>22030983
Self-published, I assume?
Every last anon that has claimed to be published was, at most, published by a vanity press.
>PhD in science fiction
My STEM degree shits all over that.

[Anonymous No.22031049]

>>22031037
Science fiction is applied science in art, incel. Look at what men who have PhDs in them do: edit Malazan.
https://youtu.be/5vVEtWBplVk

[Anonymous No.22031065]

>>22031049
Applied science in art doesn't actually have to work, pseud.
Everything I create actually functions and has a purpose.
You're just play-acting.

[Anonymous No.22031070]

>>22031049
>Malazan
is garbage
And PhD in science fiction studies sounds like a serious downgrade from PhD in English

[Anonymous No.22031078]

>>22031008
not that much, if your goal is to imitate someone's work you don't want someone in the middle adding their own stuff. The rhythm and tone in audio is differet from text. If you tend to absorve other people's style too easily then it's better to listen to an audiobook than a youtube drama channel, sure. But your writen prose won't improve that much.

[Anonymous No.22031082]

>>22031070
I’m getting publishers wanting to see my work. Who the fuck are you?

[Anonymous No.22031104]

>>22031078
>The rhythm and tone in audio is different from text
Not really? When u read u subvocalise, which is like hearing the words, which is like listening to them?

[Anonymous No.22031121]

>>22030418
The Decameron has some in it. It's a fun colleciton of slightly controversial catholic tales. Like 14th century politically incorrect comedy (for example, spoilers, one is about a jew converting to christianity after seeing how depraved the Vatican is, so if even with such a shitty heart the religion survives there must be something)

[Anonymous No.22031120]

>>22031082
>unintentionally downgrading yourself from published to they want to review the manuscript
so you're not published, despite your earlier claim, I see

[Anonymous No.22031127]

>>22029751
How to retell it without tropes

[Anonymous No.22031153]

>>22031120
My essays and reviews in Fantastika Journal are literally cited by half a dozen people.

[Anonymous No.22031161]

>see everyone laughing at writers due to chatgpt and other ai
>writers are going to be replaced!!
>a little scared
>do some AI prompts
>absolute fucking garbage
>has the same format each time
>99% purple prose
>all tell and no show
>plastic cliches everywhere
>highschool level descriptions
ahh ok we're fine bros

[Anonymous No.22031179]

>>22030632
adding to this
you can describe your fantasy girl MC in potentially erotic ways if it matter to the plot. If people hitting on her leads to important scenarios and she has complex feelings about that then it's just a story with a hot MC. The point is whether you want to do something with it.

It's less noticeable but it aplies to male characters too. If you have an ugly dude MC and everything is about how hard life is for ugly dudes then you're just doing an incel pity party, but if his ugliness reflects other aspects of him or he uses it as tool to accomplish things then you may have an interesting character. It's about how you use the elements you present, even with a solid goal if you fail you can be missunderstood as doing fap material or a pity party or something else.

Spoilers for a LN/manga example:
There's an isekai where the MC isn't particularly ugly, he's just very japanese, but the godess hates non european looks. So she tries to kill him and in the process he becomes OP. He then goes on trying to live his best life, doing his own thing. But this beauty aspect is used to define the setting. Human language is a gift from the godess to pretty people, so he can write by imitating words but he can't talk with humans. In human warfare people give a speech and the godess judges who got her more wet and blesses that group. While he's limited to properly talking with non-humans, he does meet people who think the world is pretty fucked up with this system, but they lack a bigger framework because god is very clearly real and active, and there's no competing religion, so they have to work with that contradiction. Other reincarnated people are hot and think non-humans can't form civilizations, they can't speak after all, so they have their own view of this world.
While it starts as an incel power fantasy, they use that concept to world build something that feels way more unique than the standard setting.

[Anonymous No.22031182]

>>22031153
sure, sure

[Anonymous No.22031184]

Threadly reminder not to respond to, engage with, or humor AI-fag. He's just stirring shit, any attention is positive attention. Laugh at him, don't respond, and move on.

[Anonymous No.22031189]

>>22031182
And they’re not even a vanity press, man. They just have a hybrid mode. Okay?

[Anonymous No.22031190]

>>22031161
Yeah, I can't see an AI trained though the internet being able to do something better than middle school level trash because that's what's more abundant online. It's not the same as illustrations where all the examples to train it are people doing their best.

I do fear that that's good enough for a lot of people, and that will keep it churning trash until people are convinced that that's as good as literature can get. Obviously fuck those fucks, it's their own fault for never reading a book, but it's kinda sad if they get tricked like that.

[Anonymous No.22031197]

>>22031161
skill issue/you aren't effectively utilizing it, but it wouldn't be replacing anyone anyway. also gpt4 is a significant upgrade from 3.5

[Anonymous No.22031205]

>>22029694
I took all that shit out because it doesn't actually help. People are more likely to read what you have to say if there's only a small amount

[Anonymous No.22031241]

>>22030419
Embrace it. Wish fulfilment fuels all fiction

[Anonymous No.22031267]

>>22030418
Wuthering Heights

[Anonymous No.22031271]

>>22029673
How do you write your gods and angels? Especially if they actually exist in the story.

[Anonymous No.22031282]

>>22031271
Insufferably.

[Anonymous No.22031293]

>>22031127
Depends on what setting you are going for, but like I said start by identifying scifi
>soulless concrete jungle
>manmade horrors
>weapons and tech
>techno nightmares
This was the behinning and end before. But while I kept the beginning canon, I rarely allude to its scifi elements. When technology is part of the story, I rarely explain how it works instead of using science to justify everything. Characters cant solve conflicts with weapons anymore. Their knowledge of tech cant help them either. Conflicts at the end arent nightmarish monsters and the dissolution of reality, it is now interpersonal conflict. They are the kinds of problems that people face in lit that are at the core of the character and society, not something fight or flight or repackaged Asimov questions like "are robots people?"
Basically, beat the genre out of it. Stop making the story revolve around structures and topics that define genre. Replace it with something else that you want. Now my novel has setting, ideas and characters fitting of a Southern drama. There are farmers, preachers, church girls, horse races, potlucks and more. And there are conflicts due to the changing ideas in this culture that specifically drive apart characters, but are representative of a larger problem that I think readers may personally face.

[Anonymous No.22031356]

https://voca.ro/1hgZB3O9LV5Y

[Anonymous No.22031370]

>>22031082
Even a cursory search reveals Olympia Publishers is a vanity press.
They call themselves a "hybrid press", but you're still asked to put forward for the initial costs.
Once again, someone on /lit/ claiming to be a "published author" is overselling a vanity press.
Did you really think you were going to fool us? We're constantly flooded by pseuds.

[Anonymous No.22031383]

>>22031153
>Fantastika Journal
Were you part of the "Queering Camelot" special edition, perchance?
https://call-for-papers.sas.upenn.edu/cfp/2022/06/06/cfp-queering-camelot-fantastika-special-edition

[Anonymous No.22031385]

>>22031370
I think you must have missed the part where I said I had a PhD in science fiction... I'm important in speculative fiction conferences, anon. So maybe check yourself before you wreck yourself.
>>22031383
Yep. I got a girl to give me head after. She was my postgraduate student and I gave her a recommendation based on how well she choked down my big cock.

[Anonymous No.22031388]

>>22031205
Dude, it's literally 3 paragraphs.
This on a thread with a bunch of wannabe novelists, i.e. minimum 60,000 words.
Or am I the one that's way off base here?

[Anonymous No.22031392]

>>22031383
Lmfao

[Anonymous No.22031400]

>>22031385
Wow...you're an insufferable sociopath.
And no one cares about your non-STEM PhD.
>important in speculative fiction conferences
Papers based on my work get published in actual science conferences.
>admits to abusing authority to rape underlings
Did I say sociopath? I meant psychopath.

[Anonymous No.22031414]

>>22031400
Krake, no one gives a shit about you man. I'm fucking young pussy on the reg and getting publishers wanting my manuscripts. Get on my level.
>actual science conferences
Actual science is racist and sexist, retard. I at least am conscious of the social fabric that surrounds scientific ontologies and epistemologies.

[Anonymous No.22031421]

>>22031161
ChatGPT is neutered like that through RLHF but the base model actually doesn't suffer from those problems. Even back in the GPT-2 days it could write incoherent content in a respectable style.
Check this out: https://gwern.net/gpt-3#beowulf-wodehouse
It won't blow you away, but the base technology is capable of stylized prose. They just brainwashed the chatbot version into a cross between a high schooler and a middle manager so it wouldn't say anything offensive or controversial.
I'm not some AI hypester saying this is going to put you out of work, but these particular flaws aren't inherent.

>>22031190
It must have read most of project Gutenberg and plenty of other professional-grade writing, and it can imitate very specific material rather than averaging everything into slop.
At its full abilities it falls over in different ways.

[Anonymous No.22031422]

Wait, is Krake actually itt? I still need to get one of his books because I've been review anoning.
Should I do Faceless?

[Anonymous No.22031426]

Bit of a dumb question, I know, but what literature sites would /wg/ recommend for publishing stuff on? All I can think of at the moment is shit like wattpad and that place sucks.

[Anonymous No.22031433]

>>22031426
from the op
>RESOURCES & RECOMMENDATIONS: https://pastebin.com/nFxdiQvC

[Anonymous No.22031438]

>>22031422
He's a warhammer painting loser man.
>>22031426
I suggest you not self publish; just read and write until you're not shit. Never even show it to others nor send it out. Learn how to edit before instant gratification from someone reading it.

[Anonymous No.22031442]

>>22031422
Do one of his books after faceless

[Anonymous No.22031443]

>>22031426
I think literature is in journals and mags, bwo. I can't remember the site that listed out most of the magazines, but a lot are free to submit. I bookmarked a few dozen I thought fit my writing, but I'm still cutting my teeth by submitting to &amp mag for now while I write shorts and this first novel.

[Anonymous No.22031447]

>>22031414
Wow...you don't even apologize for being evil. What a piece of work you are.
>getting publishers wanting my manuscripts
One "hybrid" vanity publisher, one manuscript.
Spinning one example into a generality is a classic sign of being a sociopath, Mr. so-called epistemologist.
>science is racist and sexist
As if. It's completely meritocratic.
No one cares what color you are (or what your birth gender is) if your stuff works.
You, on the other hand, apparently have authority you can abuse.
And you claim my field is the sexist one. Wow. What a lack of self-awareness.

[Anonymous No.22031474]

>>22031447
Wow. SO much wow. Oh my science mortyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy.
Suck my dick. What have you published? Science "articles" don't count since they're short as fuck and require you to autistically discuss results and methodology. There's no artistry.

[Anonymous No.22031483]

I think my novel is coming on really well, and I'm happy with its progress thus far. Feels really good to say that. Can't wait for you all to read it. Don't think there's anyone else doing what I'm doing atm :-)

[Anonymous No.22031492]

>>22031483
It's shit. Be prepared for the sting of rejection. Meanwhile, I'll be on the NYT bestseller list with my part novel, part monograph on decolonising Asimov.

[Anonymous No.22031499]

>>22031483
Can you at least hint at it?
I have more than enough Ideas but I love to hear what anons are passionate about.

[Anonymous No.22031501]

>>22031414
>Krake
I guess I'll take the compliment you think I publish science papers? But I've said it before and I'll say it again, I don't come on 4chan and get in arguments with people.

>>22031422
Yes, but I'm not shitposting.

Faceless is fine, but Ship of Fuls and Infinite Money Glitch are my usual reccs. Five to Four I openly admit is no more aspirational than building back catalog while I work on my craft.

>>22031438
I'll have you know I paint Reaper BONES, thank you very much.

[Anonymous No.22031509]

>>22031501
>But I've said it before and I'll say it again, I don't come on 4chan and get in arguments with people.
That's what it's for. We act like little avatars of cultural motifs and when the wojaks and pepes go a-flying across the digital aether, to stay there long after we posters die, then all will be begun again with a new generation of Anonymous.

[Anonymous No.22031513]

so did the troll spamming all the ai shit decide to a character change and this is the new one?

[Anonymous No.22031516]

>>22031509
Perhaps I should say I don't do it anymore. I don't see how calling someone a pseud with a worthless degree will lead to people taking my books seriously.

[Anonymous No.22031522]

>>22031513
Thats what i was thinking too lol

[Anonymous No.22031531]

>>22031501
why arent these on audible?

[Anonymous No.22031532]

>>22031516
>people taking my books seriously.
That comes with time and probably writing to your market niche, on top of writing a lot until your old stuff seems bad and amateurish in comparison. Merely being associated with 4chan isn't bad, but no one really wants to support anyone else here. It's mainly shitposting and gloating about reading a particular kind of book.

[Anonymous No.22031540]

>>22031513
This is just openly parodic with someone very dedicated to not getting the joke

[Anonymous No.22031542]

>>22031474
I'm not in tune enough with our degenerate culture to get published by any establishment-aligned outfit.
But you sound like you are, Mr. decolonizing Asimov.
(I don't even know what that means, but it sounds woke. You must be so proud.)
And I didn't say I published articles; I said papers based on my work get published in actual science conferences. Someone else does that grunt work.
>no artistry
Engineering is the art of making science do something practical.
To me, science is a giant palette, and I draw from whatever I need to produce whatever I'm working on.
And if you don't respect science and technology, then stop using your cell phone, this forum, and the Internet immediately, since it was people like me that created it.
>Suck my dick
No thanks...I'm not one of your young students.
I'm not subject to your abusive authority.
But, by all means, keep begging us to fellate you.

[Anonymous No.22031544]

>>22031513
Nah, the vanity-published student-rapist anon is too coarse to be the AI-shill anon.
Totally different personalities.

[Anonymous No.22031551]

>>22031531
I don't have a dramatic voice, so I'd have to pay someone to narrate them (or wait for AI), which I can't afford yet.

>>22031532
I'm genuinely not afraid of 4chan association. Maybe I should be. But I just mean in general, I try to not piss people off because one person upset with you can do more harm than 100 casual fans can offset.

And if you know anything about me, I'd hope you realize that I do write a lot. I'm working on the improvement every single day.

[Anonymous No.22031562]

>>22031544
If you don't like being coarse, then got off this toxic website, fucking normalfag. None of your precious Eurocentric science nor Enlightenment values can save the reckoning of critical science fiction studies that question assumptions in Western discourse.
>>22031542
>I'm not in tune enough with our degenerate culture to get published by any establishment-aligned outfit.
Kek. Fucking normie. Your prose sucks. Your plots fizzle into nothing. Your style is cramped. Your verbiage is affected. Your characters are hollow. Your themes are made redundant by how hard you force it down your readers' throats (although you don't have any readers).

[Anonymous No.22031585]

>>22031551
>Maybe I should be.
Don't worry. The only people who cry about 4chan are hack journalists who think a website is responsible for someone being on it.
I've posted myself doing Nazi salutes as a joke and nothing happened.
>And if you know anything about me, I'd hope you realize that I do write a lot.
I knew you had books out but as I said no one here gives a shit to buy your book. If you post it for free, they'll probably critique it, but even then there's no point in being constructive, so people give up part way through.
>I'm working on the improvement every single day.
That's good. You can always give yourself time to write a few novels, see if they're any good a year or two later, then try send them out. I don't know how committed you are to self-publishing, but you can always write to a market for a small press. I know Severed Press do a lot of science fiction and fantasy that sells well.

[Anonymous No.22031594]

>>22031501
I will check one of them out, best I can do considering I dropped the ball after reviewing Egregore. Scifi was my first exodus into writing so I still have a soft spot for it despite not writing it.
Also have a physical sciences career because of it. Next week I'm running my first pre-production scale batch of a product I developed after years in the business. Science really has taken me places.

[Anonymous No.22031595]

>>22031562
Ugh. Nothing to reply to here.
Just narcissistic arrogance and frantic jumping to conclusions.
You're too stupid to debate.
Enjoy your academic rape factory and pretend publishing deal.
>critical science fiction studies that question assumptions in Western discourse
No practical use whatsoever. Just a bunch of academic self-stroking.
There’s something about knowing you’re useless that eats away at the human spirit, isn't there?

[Anonymous No.22031597]

>>22031551
look into audiobooks. there are incredibly amateur books all over audibles. youd be surprised
the performer studios might do publishing/revshare or something

[Anonymous No.22031602]

>>22031551
ElevenLabs is cheap as shit, dude.
You can use 10,000 characters for free with any email so I've been just using it to make shitposts with different accounts.
https://beta.elevenlabs.io/

[Anonymous No.22031604]

>>22031499
So broadly its about ecology and the environment, populism and paganism, English identity, and conspiracy. It opens with a political candidate levitating at the end of a speech he's given. The themes may not sound completely novel but I don't think there are any novels about England of the scope and scale of what I'm writing, at least in the last decade. And it's become quite intricate and is growing all the time in its exploration. It owes a debt to post-modern stuff in some aspects but it isn't strictly post-modern itself I don't think. There's play with form and structure but it is all rooted in narrative and the thing itself is more or less linear.

>>22031492
Well here's a little bit, only first draft tho, and 'scuse the long paragraph. Still got loads to write as it's going to be pretty long I reckon.

[Anonymous No.22031612]

>>22031595
Alright. I don't know who the fuck you think you are buddy, but I didn't work on my PhD on speculative thing studies and post-Baudrillardian semotiosis in Ballard for 4 years at Iowa to have your ignorant, bugman ass try to tarnish the name of critical critique. Go make me another Pringle's machine like Gene Wolfe, slave.

[Anonymous No.22031615]

>>22031551
>I'm genuinely not afraid of 4chan association. Maybe I should be.
I'm not. I won't explicitly advertise it early career but I don't mind people realizing I have been here before. There's only so much you can sanitize your image until you have to be honest about where you come from. And I come from the goddamn internet.

[Anonymous No.22031618]

>>22031585
I have Undying Emperor on royalroad for free, but only like one person from here reads it.

I'm not completely locked on self-pub. I'm actually working on a more in-market story for royalroad and I'll try my hand at getting picked up like Re:Trailer Trash did.

I've also got a story idea that I might even be able to interest the big trad houses with. I'll write it soon enough and see what I want to do with it.

>>22031594
Whichever one you choose, I hope you like it. I have the opening chapters available for free on my website.

>>22031597
>>22031602
My understanding is they're quite difficult on top of being expensive, so I think my effort would be better spent building a youtube audience.

I'll be releasing a video on Mishima I recorded with one of my cover artists. I learned I need to read more about Mishima and by Mishima.

[Anonymous No.22031619]

>>22031612
>my PhD on speculative thing studies and post-Baudrillardian semotiosis in Ballard for 4 years at Iowa

[Anonymous No.22031641]

>>22031618
>I've also got a story idea that I might even be able to interest the big trad houses with.
That's good. I suggest looking at Duotrope's listings for agents. Big trad houses will never take unsolicited submissions unless they have a prize (or in the case of my country, a pitch opening every once in a while). Agents for science fiction and fantasy are selective, but it's still worth it to try. I mainly publish in magazines personally and only had one actual contract for a short story sent (these places don't pay for poetry nor non fiction I did). I had a plan to go from magazines until I was good enough to write novels, but it's been a bit of a long and failed journey. You sound like you have a plan better than mine, so stick to it if you can. I just meant to say you can have other options if you don't feel that self-promotion is your thing. At least some trad pub give you a degree of advertising and people might pick it up merely because it's an established publisher.

[Anonymous No.22031664]

>>22031641
Fingers crossed things go well for me, that at least one thing I pursue has a splash. People who do buy my books are generally very happy with them, so I'm going to keep chasing the dream.

Good luck with the short stories, I'm sending a bunch of those out myself.

[Anonymous No.22031679]

>>22031664
My only advice with stories is you have to research the publication. I didn't do that for the first year or two, so I ended up with only a few places accepting me. I've found other places I actually like and I write for them specifically when I send stuff; my acceptance with them has been 100% because I actually care about the story. It sucks, but try to read the magazines you want to send to. Lots of them like Clarkesworld or Beneath Ceaseless Skies are free to read.

[Anonymous No.22031684]

>>22031612
"Criticism is a study by which men grow important and formidable at a very small expence. The power of invention has been conferred by nature upon few, and the labour of learning those sciences which may by mere labour be obtained is too great to be willingly endured; but every man can exert such judgement as he has upon the works of others; and he whom nature has made weak, and idleness keeps ignorant, may yet support his vanity by the name of a Critick." -Samuel Johnson, "The Idler"

[Anonymous No.22031689]

>>22031679
>but try to read the magazines you want to send to
I know that's the first thing people advise, but it's really terrible to do.

[Anonymous No.22031698]

>>22031689
It's not the same as paying a reading fee. If they are a contemporary magazine, they'll more than likely have a mission statement and some stories online for free to give you an idea of what they publish. Editors curate; they don't necessarily just pick whatever is good, otherwise they'd be stuck with similar stories or too many to be able to pay for.

[Anonymous No.22031712]

>>22030418
don quioxte lad

[Anonymous No.22031713]

>>22030418
That's all of Heart of Darkness, or 1001 Nights.

[Anonymous No.22031740]

>>22030418
Chess by Stefan Zweig is a great short read and has this in it. Also Austerlitz has a couple of stories nested inside each other from memory and is just phenomenal

[Anonymous No.22031743]

>>22029738
>>22029764
>>22029805
My problem is that I have a bunch a very interesting experiences but they are so far apart in time that it's hard to find a common theme to link them into a single story. I don't have a way to connect them. There is no ending.
I only thing that keeps me going is the memory of weird, unique points in my life, and that other people don't really seem to have any at all.
It would only make sense to those who frequent Peruvian basket weaving forums, and that fine and all, but I worry about how normiods would react, especially the ones I know personally.

[Anonymous No.22031755]

>>22031698
I mean that I don't enjoy reading short stories.

Also, the nature of my interests and the things I want to write about push me toward reading a ton of non-fiction, which feels more productive for improving as a writer of sci-fi and fantasy.

[Anonymous No.22031800]

>>22031008
>Can I imbibe
>imbibe

imbibe my cum you fucking pseud

[Anonymous No.22031826]

>>22031800
Put a cork in it, sci-fi-PhD student-raping seething pseud.
No one here is going to suck your dick, no matter how many times you ask us to.
Now go write a criticism of critics who criticize other critics. Maybe you'll get another academic participation-award for it.

[Anonymous No.22031830]

Hey bros, I've been out of college for years and the most I've written has been 4chan shitposts. I'm going back to university soon and want to practice my writing to prepare for it. Any advice on how to start?

[Anonymous No.22031840]

>>22030632
>>22031179
Damn, thanks anon for helping my male MC. This is the best anti harem i've ever read.

[Anonymous No.22031844]

>AI shart fag is a horrible writer
I feel like this really puts a dent in any of his arguments about art

[Anonymous No.22031852]

1500 words ain't quite 2000, but it's what I wrote today.

[Anonymous No.22031853]

>>22031852
I just concentrate on getting any damn writing done at all.

[Anonymous No.22031856]

>>22031743
Why link them together at the outset?
Just write them as disconnected short stories.
No need to start right off running the marathon.

[Anonymous No.22031857]

>>22031830
college for what?

[Anonymous No.22031866]

>>22031857
Philosophy

[Anonymous No.22031867]

>>22031866
based if serious

[Anonymous No.22031868]

>>22029673

Writing =/= typing
Old school or no school

[Anonymous No.22031876]

>>22031866
I hope you're independently wealthy and genuinely in love with the subject. It's completely unmarketable, otherwise. I assume this is masters/phd level and not merely you finishing your bachelor to go to law school or something.

[Anonymous No.22031891]

>>22031876
Ive already accepted that I am going to have a long and miserable life.

[Anonymous No.22031921]

>>22031891
That's the spirit. No suicide before 40!

[Anonymous No.22031943]

>>22030613
>me in the window

[Anonymous No.22031965]

>>22029673
>Forbidden Love Edition
I’m in love with my sister.

[Anonymous No.22031978]

>>22031965
Have you told her?

[Anonymous No.22032110]

>>22030196
The real issue i think people are missing is that the AI will also decide what gets funded in the future based off of manuscript filtering and algorithm marketing. So even if it is trash people in the future wont know it because that's all their minds are fed.

[Anonymous No.22032124]

>>22031615
Way I see it, 4chan is the one place on the internet where I am allowed to screw up. I don't need to pay a single cent for it either.

[Anonymous No.22032134]

>>22032110
>AI will also decide
nope. "ai" is a total meme. big publishers will snap up successful indie authors in the hope that one of them will turn into the next james patterson. they will never take a chance on an unknown ever again

[Anonymous No.22032153]

>>22031604
fix the font

>>22031840
i love that you post these

>>22031876
are there people who don't have fun when they write?

>come to review writing
>plug miniMAG to good writers

but there is no writing here
[e-mail]

[Anonymous No.22032155]

>>22032110
On the other hand, maybe that'll level the playing field.
Hey, I can dream.
>>22032124
4chan is the only place on the Internet where i can tell uncomfortable truths and not get downvoted into oblivion.
For that, I am grateful.

[Anonymous No.22032157]

>>22032153
miniMAG anon again
>>22031840
are these ai or copywrited
would make these the exclusive art of an issue if send 5-6

[Anonymous No.22032207]

>>22032153
I like Garamond tho

[Anonymous No.22032211]

>>22032207
>Garamond
that's not the issue

[Anonymous No.22032222]

>>22032211
Not following you

[Anonymous No.22032246]

February in Winnipeg is a particularly brutal month. The days are short, and due to the geographical location of the city, will continue to be until the clocks change in the spring. Office workers wake up in the dark and scrape the ice off their cars with the help of the streetlights. When they leave the office in the evening, the prairie sun glows on the tops of the houses, straining their eyes on the commute home. Warehouse labourers who are unfortunate enough to occupy windowless workplaces only enjoy natural light on the weekends and the architectural choices of most government buildings mean that the public servants, of which the city does not lack, would suffer from the same fate as their blue-collar counter parts. Fortunately, leaving the office at four fifteen is accepted, especially for those that need to pick up the kids from school.

In February precipitation is rare. It’s too cold for snow to fall. The soft patter that accompanies the first steps in fresh powder is replaced by a pitchy crunch. The snow is old and polluted with sand and gravel. No one spends much time outside to notice. Outdoor activities are limited to running from the grocery store to the liquor store, or from the beer vendor to the car, that with any luck, still retains some residual warmth.

The cities more established residents prefer to stay inside on the weekend. They order pizzas, rent movies, read books, drink beer and wine. For the younger residents, video games are the preferred hibernation pass times. Fleece blankets are abundant. Parents of teenagers wonder how their children have the energy to organize plans amongst themselves. Adolescents talk on cell phones in the kitchen and ask for rides or wait at the window for their friends. They ask themselves, who would want to leave the house when they don’t have to? In February?

In February the wind whips down the suburban cul-de-sacs. It burns your ears and dries out your skin. The temperature drops below minus twenty for most of the month, and when accounting for the wind chill, which all residents do, below minus forty. In fact, It was twenty-seven degrees below zero on the night that Cameron Prefontaine was murdered.


First part of my short story. Any style advice?

[Anonymous No.22032284]

>>22032246
Feels a bit flat. Try for longer sentences and more embedded clauses.

[Anonymous No.22032405]

>>22032157
These are indeed AI generated and as far as i'm aware un-copywrited, so use away! there is one in the other thread and with this one it will make 4. I have a few more saved from their original posting on >>>/g/sdg so i'll post a couple more before thread is through. Will try to keep my posts writing related as the seether will continue his screeching try and report me otherwise. Oh who am i kidding he'll do it anyway.

[Anonymous No.22032414]

>>22032405
AI generated artwork isn't protected under copyright because they're unauthored

[Anonymous No.22032449]

>>22030308
"they are well aware of they're getting into, it's just distilled progression they are shooting up and they dont care how dirty the needle is."

Very apt you should link progression lit-rpg/cultivation to intravenous drug use.
>the substance gives the user immediate gratification but over consecutive acquisition and usage destroys their lives and should be avoided by any well educated person who values themselves.

[Anonymous No.22032507]

>>22032414
No, they're not protected under copyright because they're considered "work for hire", i.e. one asks the AI to create something on their behalf.
https://www.cartoonbrew.com/law/midjourney-ai-images-us-copyright-office-226437.html
>>22032405
Report you for what? There's a list of reportable offenses in the popup window, and none of them seem to apply to discussing AI-generated images.

[Anonymous No.22032514]

>>22032507
>i.e. one asks the AI to create something on their behalf.
yeah and the ai is a robot and can't author anything i.e. unauthored

[Anonymous No.22032516]

>>22032414
Huh, so i did some reading inb4 no one here reads , and your technically correct.
>https://www.artnews.com/art-news/news/ai-generator-art-text-us-copyright-policy-1234661683/

But with the caveat:
“A human may select or arrange AI-generated material in a sufficiently creative way that ‘the resulting work as a whole constitutes an original work of authorship.’ Or an artist may modify material originally generated by AI technology to such a degree that the modifications meet the standard for copyright protection,” the statement of policy read. "

So if you photoshop to fix hands and add some imperfections like freckles and in-paint some background it could actually be.

Wonder if it counts for editing AI generated text?

[Anonymous No.22032517]

>>22029673
I like how /wg/ turned into AI general instead of writing

[Anonymous No.22032523]

>>22032155
Yeah, that too. In turn it's the only place where you cannot filter reading uncomfortable truths from the threads you read. Are there downsides to anonymity? Sure, but the downsides of having no anonymity is far greater to the individual or society.

[Anonymous No.22032525]

>>22032207
Garamond is a fine font but Times New Roman is the standard for manuscripts. Taste is not a factor.

[Anonymous No.22032527]

>>22032517
I don't like it. It's just this one moron who can't even write for shit, shilling AI

[Anonymous No.22032535]

>>22032517
It's like one guy shitposting. He's desperate for attention for some reason, and somehow thinks he's going to change the mind of anywhere here.
It's classic techbro mentality, I'm not sure why he even came to this board in the first place.

[Anonymous No.22032543]

>>22032535
He clearly doesn't read or consume any higher art at all. I unironically think he came here JUST to preach about AI generated writing

[Anonymous No.22032547]

>that instant spam and tone shift.
Wow just got same fag in here.
Don't let the crabs win, we are all gonna make it.

[Anonymous No.22032551]

>>22032543
He was probably one of those kids that wanted to be a creative type but never actually developed this mindset, skill, or discipline. Instead of actually trying to improve he just looks at AI and thinks "Wow, I was right not to try and get any better! Now robots can write for me!" And since he never developed an appreciation for writing, he can't tell that it's utter garbage.

[Anonymous No.22032556]

>Acts like an insufferable fucking faggot and constantly shits up the general
>shits on art and artists nonstop for some weird reason while spamming his eyecancer AI shart
>takes the moral high ground when his dogshit writing is critiqued and his arguments destroyed
sugoi

[Anonymous No.22032559]

>>22029831
you're absolutely right, lately ive been calling it "the amateur's organizing and sorting out the proper idioms, phrases and collocations"

[Anonymous No.22032565]

>>22032551
Him admitting he can't spot the difference between AI art and real art should tell you enough. He renamed a bunch of files to have "AI [x]" in it in hopes to make people call no AI art AI art (which didn't work). Only someone with a subnormal IQ and a complete lack of an artistic eye would struggle to distinguish AI art from real art and I think that tells you all you need to know about this jerkoff

[Anonymous No.22032576]

>>22032565
just because you samefag does not mean that i do. Replying to your own posts isn't healthy anon.

[Anonymous No.22032579]

>>22032565
And he doesn't seem to understand why people write or read in the first place. No one wants to read AI work, and that's not just because it sucks
>>22032576
>Everyone I disagree with is a samefag.
Here's your you. Go take a walk or something. Enjoy nature.

[Anonymous No.22032589]

>>22031184

[Anonymous No.22032591]

I stopped listening to the news and music in my car rides this past several months. I also ran out of podcasts I like and I don't like audio books. Now I only brainstorm about writing, occasionally out loud. I suppose it's for the best.

[Anonymous No.22032592]

>>22032565
>>22032556
>>22032551
>>22032547
I get you're mad, but stop discussing this shit. Whenever I see this thread in page 0 I get the feeling this is all the thread is about because 10 of you dedicate your day to discussing the 1 psycho.

[Anonymous No.22032595]

Is there anything appealing about the draft of this story or the writing? Are there any major faults? It's different in tone and setting to what I usually write so I'm not sure I can judge it well.

[Anonymous No.22032614]

Does Royal Road censor some chapters? Odd that only 30 people read chapter 8, but a sudden surge for chapter 10.

[Anonymous No.22032621]

At what point do you think you're over editing something? I checked an older version of a short story and at this point I can tell if it's better or just different.

[Anonymous No.22032642]

>>22032614
I don't think so. You posted that chapter at 3pm, so maybe when it dropped on that day people clicked on it from the list. Or people read it and forwarded it to people to read that specific one. My fifth to last chapter has 40% more views than the one before or after it, and that's probably due to the content of that chapter.

[Anonymous No.22032680]

>>22032642
my chapter 8 is the chapter with rape and gore. So that's why I was suspicious

[Anonymous No.22032691]

>>22032680
i want to check it out. im on phone so a link or name would help

[Anonymous No.22032695]

>>22032592
You realise it's the opposite of what your saying right? Look at the repetitive posts and language. Kinda sad.

[Anonymous No.22032705]

>>22032680
every chapter I have with sex has less views. the chapters with gore seem unaffected. the one chapter with sex scene that wasn't affected doesn't have any no no words except for lovemaking, which probably isnt a no no word. so maybe? I'm still of the opinion that your readers who discover your story are connected with each other in some way and that's how they discover it. like, a small number see it on the list on rr and then tell their friends.

[Anonymous No.22032711]

>>22032691
https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/67568/a-knight-of-valora-serenity

[Anonymous No.22032743]

>>22032591
I've been doing this every day for 2 years on my 3 hour daily commute to uni. Surprisingly comfy, but sucks when you get home and forget everything and it just becomes wasted time (though I guess it was wasted anyway on account of just sitting in a car)

[Anonymous No.22032836]

>>22032711
interesting.. why a female protagonist?

[Anonymous No.22032859]

>>22032836
Just a challenge. A bunch of short stories and unfinished manuscripts are all male MCs.

The story also needed a character that was weak, incompetent, and couldn't be a leader.

[Anonymous No.22032868]

>>22032859
..uh
based?

[Anonymous No.22032948]

>>22032576
>>22032405
thank you
i don't think these anons realize how difficult doing ai art this consistently between pieces and with so few abnormalities is
that's ok, people aren't ready for that discussion yet

[Anonymous No.22032957]

Why do so many writers use first person?

[Anonymous No.22032967]

>>22032246
kill the first paragraph
>In February precipitation is rare
solid, everything from here on is solid

[Anonymous No.22032969]

>>22032246
unrelated, but you should check the best piece of fiction about Winnipeg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aY9BtROpNQ4

[Anonymous No.22032980]

>>22032246
>any style advice
Yeah. Get a PhD in science fiction studies before you pick up a pen.

[Anonymous No.22032984]

I AM GOING TO WRITE AND FINISH MY LITERARY CYBERPUNK NOVEL EVEN IF IT IS THE LAST THING I DO GODDAMNIT

[Anonymous No.22032985]

>>22032595
i don't know there's an episode of the office playing on the tv and i found it very hard to pay attention until "Not a powerful wind." Something about the sentence being short and not starting with "a" or "i" helped

"Now I have the strength of a grown man, and a little baby." -- Dwight Schrute

[Anonymous No.22032988]

>>22032980
>What did the author mean by this?

[Anonymous No.22033063]

>36 chapters ahead of release edited.
Remember anons; not shit posting = winning!

[Anonymous No.22033093]

>>22032957
personally because it allows for an unreliable narrator. it allows me to put out messages that may or may not get me cancelled, but because the narrator is not Word of God I can get away with it. also I only need to worry about 1 person's thoughts whereas if I did 3rd I'd be tempted to head hop and I'd rather avoid the temptation

[Anonymous No.22033103]

>>22032948
No probs, sorry for setting off the autist so bad.
My writing went quite well today, how about you?

[Anonymous No.22033114]

samefag samefags

[Anonymous No.22033116]

>>22029805
What if the dearth of your experience is just anecdotes from other people and strange glimpses you've seen? is it over then?
I guess I really should just go out more and do more things.
>>22030055
Men who have a lot of sex and a lot of children are fucking cunts.

[Anonymous No.22033124]

>>22033103
went to the beach and wrote a mobile cabin
glad to hear yours did too

[Anonymous No.22033131]

>>22032614
Views in the 10s are entirely explained by random variation between how many happen to click a chapter on the front page. Do you have any idea how many people browse the site?

[Anonymous No.22033207]

>>22032984
You can do it anon!
I would ask to see an excerpt and give advice but it's awfully crabby here today.

[Anonymous No.22033503]

>>22032957
they don't outside of litrpg and maybe YA. first person allows you to write poorly (especially your other characters) and maintain immersion. in other words, cheap and effective

[Anonymous No.22033561]

>>22032525
But I haven't got a manuscript yet, and I can change the font in an instant so dunno why it matters. I'd rather write in a font I like

[Anonymous No.22033628]

Is it gay if, while writing erotica, I mainly write from the female point of view?
My target audience isn't women, but despite that, I feel more comfortable writing what the woman feels, while describing what the man does.
My guess is, that this is because I care what women feel, in a sexual context anyway, but maybe it's just me self-inserting?

[Anonymous No.22033654]

>>22033628
are you writing in first person..?
do you want to be fucked by a man? do your readers want to be fucked by men? so why are you describing being fucked by a man?

of course, if you're writing in 3rd person, you want to have her feelings and reactions in some form. but think about your audience. doesn't matter what it says about you.

[Anonymous No.22033814]

>>22032957
Because 3rd limited is made to appeal to soda brained movie watchers

[Anonymous No.22033838]

>>22029673
Add this to the OP. It's all bad writing ever.
https://pastebin.com/J61evfSJ

[Anonymous No.22033844]

>>22031856
Yeah I think this is the best option. I will make another attempt at doing them as short stories first, I might submit one to lamp or minimag or whatever, just to get one in front of an audience.
I have a typewriter now and a few days to maybe a few weeks off in the near future,
But I'm still trying to get the overall theme.
/wwoym/ is a decent resource for me because everyother post is about of anxiety which feels very much familiar to me and my overall story.

[Anonymous No.22033865]

>>22033814
it's true. this writing perspective was actually invented by george lucas for the star wars script

[Anonymous No.22033878]

>>22033838
this is my jailbreak for when i have gpt4 write my stories for me

[Anonymous No.22033899]

>>22033838
>ellips-
trash list

[Anonymous No.22033934]

>>22033899
Stop using it as a crutch. You can show a pause without saying something trite like the following.
>And then the orc said: "I'm wounded.... and hurt.... and it hurts so much...."

[Anonymous No.22033975]

>>22033934
Purposefully retarded or incorrect examples are not persuasive.

[Anonymous No.22034103]

>>22033934
>>22033975
this is fine, retards. it would take like 3x as many words to write this out otherwise. sometimes less is more, and it'd just suit the tone/style better. especially when your target audience are LITRPG ENJOYERS. for real though

[Anonymous No.22034168]

>>22032957
I've noticed this trend in both webfiction and tradpub lately. Go to a bookstore and pick up 10 titles published this year. 4+ will be in first person.

I can barely tolerate that shit for the very best of works, and for damned sure not for schlock. I think it's because the selfie generation are all narcissists. zoomers are killing literature.

[Anonymous No.22034172]

>>22033838
some really retarded shit in here
>em dashes
kill yourself

[Anonymous No.22034211]

I've been in a writing slump for a couple of years, but I randomly decided to try out in the 55k words in 5 weeks challenge that royal road hosted this april.

I chose to write a stupid isekai thing that I frankensteined from a bunch of random story ideas as a joke. I expected it wouldn't get any traction, but I actually got a decent following now. I never really wanted to be a royalroad writer, given that non litrpg/progression fantasy shit is really hard to sell there and aside but honestly the attention is addicting.

It feels pretty bad to know that my ego is so influenceable by views. I'm at the point where I'm planning to actually buy add space so I can try to hit the front page in the rising stars category. Oh well. Hopefully I can get a bit of pocket change when I inevitably set up my patreon.

[Anonymous No.22034219]

>>22029718
I don't see the problem. All you have to do is spend some time reading more literary work and genres you normally avoid. The difference between a hack and a master is how large and varied a pool of work they use to steal "new" ideas.

[Anonymous No.22034232]

i'm trying to plan my next 14 days, anyone else have a manuscript you need edited for cheap?

[Anonymous No.22034238]

>>22034103
He comically used 3 in a row to make it look dumb. Something like this is fine:
>The soldier winced. "I was hit... I can't feel my legs."
But obviously three semicolons, three em dashes, or three ellipsis all in one line comes across odd in most cases. I know he's trolling in this case but that kind of intellecrual slight of hand does annoy me. Reminds me of the time Krake said "North was marched." to somehow prove passives are bad.

[Anonymous No.22034245]

>>22034238
>intellecrual slight of hand
Intellectual sleight of hand* excuse me

[Anonymous No.22034265]

>>22034238
right, yea. i just ignored the exaggeration. i realize that's what you were pointing out

[Anonymous No.22034340]

>>22034238
no, this shit sucks. Just write it like this:
>"I was hit." The soldier winced. "I can't feel my legs."
as a rule you should never communicate to the reader that there's been a pause

[Anonymous No.22034382]

>>22034340
>as a rule you should never communicate to the reader that there's been a pause
Shoo shoo with your (you) begging

[Anonymous No.22034391]

>>22034340
not quite. if he wanted, specifically 3 pauses, you'd have to have that much 'wincing', and 'gathering strength', and 'finding the words', etc.
and depending on the tone, the audience, the style, that shit might be tedious or out of place.
its a compromise. and again, re: litrpg, the context is more important than the prose lol
the point is, there are usecases.

[Anonymous No.22034411]

>>22034382
imagine ever unironically writing the equivalent of "and then nothing happened"
>>22034391
if your ambition is just to churn out garbage for people who exclusively read garbage, what are you doing on /wg/? There's nowhere to improve if your standards are already rock bottom.

[Anonymous No.22034451]

>>22034411
>imagine ever unironically writing the equivalent of "and then nothing happened"
can have a place in all sorts of stories, but in horror especially it would be useful for building tension

[Anonymous No.22034455]

>>22034451
I've written a horror story that got accepted and I showed the monster was coming through a motif of a bird calling.

[Anonymous No.22034457]

>>22034411
>if your ambition is just to
calm down

>imagine ever unironically writing the equivalent of "and then nothing happened"
imagine using 3x the amount of words to also say nothing

[Anonymous No.22034500]

To the faggot that was sperging out about incorporating theme into every scene and sentence in his story a few threads ago I recommend you read The Art of Fiction by Ayn Rand. Yes, I know Ayn Rand, but I think the book is exactly what you're looking for.

[Anonymous No.22034512]

>>22034451
you can halt action without writing "there was a pause". It's always more compelling for something to happen, even if that something doesn't have forward momentum.
>>22034457
>just get to the point! Just get to the fucking point!
no

[Anonymous No.22034649]

has anyone actually read this? is it good?

[Anonymous No.22034654]

>>22034649
I didn't know 4chan had ads. You must sure be a faggot.

[Anonymous No.22034711]

>>22034654
even if you blocked ads you would still see the default pngs where the elements were blocked. stop being such a poseur and answer the question

[Anonymous No.22034717]

i only read brandon sanderson and litrpg

[Anonymous No.22034886]

>>22034711
>default pngs
no idea what you're talking about, internet illiterate newfaggot. and no, i don't read genreshit.

[Anonymous No.22034981]

>>22033814
Bait.

[Anonymous No.22035180]

>>22034649
Im pretty sure that book was littered with spelling mistakes. The anon that wrote it visited here once

[Anonymous No.22035606]

Why is writing first person so fucking impossible? i literally feel like i cant just be myself. All the little writing tricks and turns of phrases just don't work at all in first person. I end up sounding really boring subhighschool level.

am i just npc? i am diagnosed aphantasia and no internal monologue

[Anonymous No.22035618]

>>22035606
What's your reason for using first person?

[Anonymous No.22035623]

>>22035606
because you need to define that narrator's characterization. There has to be information gathered from the way they speak, the words they use, the things they chose to imply, contradictions, how they appeal to the reader, even the basic reasson of why there's someone talking to you.

This does apply to anything. You don't do stuff just because, even when they think they're doing that people who connect with their readership are giving information without noticing.

[Anonymous No.22035639]

>>22035606
you need to create the character, their likes and dislikes, the way they respond internally and externally. it'll take a few chapters, you'll stumble a bit where you're not really sure about certain stuff, but once you put roughly 10-15k words in you should have them largely down. Hopefully sooner, but by that point it should be done. Then you go back and tidy it up.

[Anonymous No.22035679]

>>22035618
extremely sterile journal entries
>>22035623
but i dont know how to do that because the entire point is they dont have a character
>>22035639
i have this but they cant express it

[Anonymous No.22035699]

>>22035679
>because the entire point is they dont have a character
you may want to revise that assumption. are they a computer? even that would have a character. how do they not have a character?

[Anonymousn No.22035707]

>>22035679
read The Burrow, by Kafka

[Anonymous No.22035722]

>>22035679
why do they have extremely sterile journal entries? You should know that's not the norm, so there has to be something different with this narrator. This is a mystery that the reader might want to find out so they keep reading.

The point is that there shouldn't be anything "just because" if you want to write something decent.

[Anonymous No.22035739]

I notice I start a lot of chapters by having characters walk into a room, or heading towards some place, it's really fucking annoying looking back. Is there a good way to get around this?

[Anonymousn No.22035752]

>>22035739
Write them having just left the room and reflecting on the crazy experience they just had while inside it.

[Anonymous No.22035767]

>>22035739
What happens if you literally just chop off the moment of entering and start at the next moment instead?

[Anonymous No.22035768]

>>22034500
I feel attacked. Which makes your post relevant to the theme of this thread, yes yes...I see.

[Anonymous No.22035994]

How would you write about the romance of a young girl and a adult man where the girl aggressively pursues him romantically and her family place them in an arraigned marriage.

[Anonymous No.22036023]

>>22035994
first you'd have to make it believable. why is the young girl allowed to be around an adult man, presumably without supervision. student/teacher? family friend? 1st summer job/manager? once you figure out the setup where that makes sense - and the guy doesn't have the cops called on him in 0.2 seconds flat - the rest should fall into place.

[Anonymous No.22036085]

>>22035994
you forgot your image

[Anonymous No.22036091]

>>22033754
>>22033754
>>22033754
In case you needed reminding. Bad writing explained here.

[Anonymous No.22036119]

>>22036085
This is a blue board I can't exactly post what I'm imagining the characters getting into.

[Anonymous No.22036142]

>>22036091
>semi colons are bad
what?!

[Anonymous No.22036208]

>>22036023
I have two scenarios in my head at the moment.
A) Man goes on pilgrimage/travels through middle east and the girl keeps sneaking into his tent / tries to monopolize his time at every opportunity.

B) Doctor provides care for young immigrant family and the family keeps coming up with scenarios for the two to be alone on their daughters behalf.

[Anonymous No.22036400]

>>22036091
Take it to r/gatekeeping, plebbitor

[Anonymous No.22036433]

The anti-AI-image seether made the new thread early, screwed up the OP, posted a very depressing image, and forgot to link to it.
>>22036134
He's doing a very bad job of representing people opposed to AI-generated images.

[Anonymous No.22036453]

>>22036433
That OP seems fine. Stop your seething Boswell.

[Anonymous No.22036455]

>>22036433
>screwed up the OP
literally the exact same as this thread.

[Anonymous No.22036484]

>>22036453
Literally who?
>>22036455
My point exactly.

[Anonymous No.22036635]

>AI tard came home from his grocery bagging job
Great. Now he's gonna shit up the new thread because he didn't get to be the one who made it