/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.20899590]

honestly what's with the hate for this man? I've luked here for years and only ever seen hate thrown in his general direction. I just finished maps of meaning and it's a decent introduction to more complex Jungian concepts you can read more up on in Aion and Man and his Symbols. Honestly, what's wrong with introducing Jungian psychology to a broader public hungry for meaning in a world that offers them nothing but ahistorical notions of social justice and trivial bullshit like pronouns?

[Anonymous No.20899605]

This is a board for the discussion of literature.

[Anonymous No.20899607]

>>20899590
>Aion
Jordy said this book changed his life. But the other day I was flicking though it and all I saw were fish and Jesus symbolism

[Anonymous No.20899609]

>>20899605
Maps of Meaning is a book, you flabby ape.

[Anonymous No.20899617]

>>20899590
>Jungian psychology
Found the problem, you're either a fat lesbian witch or manbaby

[Anonymous No.20899627]

Jung was full of mystical bollocks and I guess giving such a basic introductory course makes people think there is some actual ground to the nonsense

[Anonymous No.20899639]

>>20899617
>>20899627
t. bugmen

[Anonymous No.20899643]

>>20899617
>calls others manchildren
>posts basedjaks
I hate this board

[Anonymous No.20899646]

>>20899590
Peterson is a super interesting psychologist. People don't want to actually spend time on exploration of truly interesting ideas and therefore only pay attention to his discussions about everyday (political) problems, wherein he indeed is guilty of grifterism, , take his 12 "rules" for life very literally, and don't bother with the lectures or MoM. For instance, many people literally think that there is a direct causal relationship between having a clean room and the capacity to rightfully influence anything outside of yourself. That is obviously not the actual meaning

[Anonymous No.20899666]

desu I think Peterson is pretty good when he's talking about psychology, given it's his field of expertise and he clearly knows the literature backwards. but he was thrown into this position where he's used (some times more willingly than others) to push some dumb conservative agenda in northamerican politics, and that's where a lot of the nonsense and hate comes from

[Anonymous No.20899704]

>>20899666
checked

[Anonymous No.20899712]

>>20899646
I took the "clean your room" thing as saying "you're a fool if you think you can change the world without changing yourself." And dummies on the left got mad at him for this, but I think that's true, while the irony is that this is also something that Mao Zedong or Zhou Enlai would say during the Cultural Revolution -- that was the whole point of it lol

[Anonymous No.20899727]

>>20899590
Peterson is an abject disgrace to the Jung, the figure he supposedly takes inspiration from. I’m not sure how people even loosely associate the two, other than simply from not having familiarized themselves with Jung’s approach to philosophy. I think perhaps the egregious divide between them is Peterson’s diametrically opposed attitude toward Christianity. I can elaborate on this if anyone wants me to

[Anonymous No.20899731]

juden peterstein

[Anonymous No.20899734]

>mumbo jumbo
>kermit voice
>voice of reason, gets addicted to benzos
>coma in Russia
>carnivore diet

Guy is a joke. Even comedians own him https://twitter.com/zei_squirrel/status/1563152716419186688

[Anonymous No.20899738]

>>20899731
>>20899734
>>/pol/

[Anonymous No.20899739]

>>20899590
>This is a board for the discussion of literature.
this.

>>20899590
When he kills himself then we can discuss the matter of how his internet and news media fame ultimately drove him to madness from what was a fairly commonsensical first base, and whether or not this was the intention on the part of the press.

[Anonymous No.20899741]

These guys exist to drain money from imbeciles

[Anonymous No.20899744]

>>20899734
why would you fall in such an obvious leftist trap? did he not see where the bong faggot was going with that? he fucking crashed and burned, holy cringe.

[Anonymous No.20899752]

>>20899734
holy bait

[Anonymous No.20899756]

>>20899731
jurgn smergn pedrsen, canonized by pope mcdonalds family meal in 2023 for encouraging degenerate males in the former territory of the States United to practice genital hygiene, proponent of gender studies, youtuber and social network blogger

[Anonymous No.20899762]

>>20899590
He's an insufferable prick that had a breakdown he never recovered from.

[Anonymous No.20899768]

>>20899756
i bet your'e fun at partys

[Anonymous No.20899786]

>>20899590
Maps of Meaning is fine; people are (probably) complaining about his public persona after the pronouns stuff. Personally I think he bit off more than he could chew and was co-opted as a mouthpiece for a lot of things he wasn’t particularly good at talking about.

[Anonymous No.20899804]

>>20899762
I watched some of his older stuff before he had his on-film breakdown/s, I can never look at him the same again. I think chris chan, also, had long ago suffered enough and should be left alone without demented internet posters egging him on to mash his chest together and do make-up tutorials.

[Anonymous No.20899805]

>>20899605
fpbp

[Anonymous No.20899817]

>>20899768
I'm a hoot. Actually I was just reading his obituary from the FUUUTURRRE wwohhohohoo

[Anonymous No.20899925]

>>20899590
>Honestly, what's wrong with introducing Jungian psychology to a broader public hungry for meaning in a world that offers them nothing
Cult leaders do it better and are more charismatic than this crying bitch

[Anonymous No.20899927]

>>20899590
He's a good introduction to the alt right pipeline but he is so vehemently opposed to white identity that it doesn't even matter if he's a Jewish plant or not. He pushes the message that we don't need to galvanise and can just push back against globohomo by being Abrahamic individualists who speak the truth in service of love. Which, if you haven't noticed, doesn't seem to be working.

[Anonymous No.20899938]

>>20899712
He makes a good point, but at the same time he was a klonopin addict with a dirty room himself and a cunty daughter. He should take his own advicew

[Anonymous No.20899952]

>>20899734
>https://twitter.com/zei_squirrel/status/1563152716419186688
LMAO

[Anonymous No.20899956]

>>20899927
>Twitter pic
Trannyfaggot

[Anonymous No.20899970]

>>20899927
>Almost dares to make a coherent point about the hypocrisy of black nationalism being perfectly okay whilst white people are being discriminated against more and more every day
>EIN FLEIN REICH WHITE SUPREMACY NATIONAL SOCIALISM NOT OKAY??? THE FAGGOT TRANNIES ARE GOING TO FAR!
God I fucking hate this bitch I hope her Nazi bf relationship is secretly an abusive one.

[Anonymous No.20899999]

>>20899590
He clearly takes a conservative view on many issues, which upsets liberal communities, such as reddit, and 4chan to some extent.

He also became popular among conservative young men, which lead to some communities put him in a pedestal and treat him as an object of worship. This created in turn communities devoted to hate him and mock him, echo-chambers on their own.

Since he quit teaching in university, it seems his position has become more extreme, without the constrains of academia to put some limits to his original ideas. This is not unheard of, it's what has happened to many scientists, like Penrose, Dawkins, DeGray Tyson, and Bill Nye ("scientist") after they get famous, and have people that worship their thought only because it's theirs.

[Anonymous No.20900001]

>>20899734
The gay cake is about making a CUSTOM gay-themed cake while the black cake is about making the same cake for black people as for white people. Jordan missed that distinction.

[Anonymous No.20900013]

He’s clearly a intelligent person and knows his field at a very broad and deep level. His philosophy is weak and some of his medicine is weaker.

Sometimes you get these smart guys to step out of their element but keep talking since they sound very intligent no matter what they say but when he starts talking about non-psych stuff it gets very meh.

Overall he gets a pass because I like his goal but I don’t see him as anything new really. He just wrote a self help book for zoomers and Millenials that didn’t have real parenting for the real world. He’s not a noteworthy intellectual outside of his feild where he seems to be excellent Imo.

Lit doesn’t like him because
1. Leftoids can’t tolerate any affront to their religion
2. He wrote a self help book and waded into some political stuff. He’s borderline off topic

[Anonymous No.20900017]

>>20900001
>CUSTOM gay-themed cake
Nowhere does this gets mentioned

[Anonymous No.20900025]

>>20899590
>introducing Jungian psychology to a broader public
He didn't do that though.
If you google Jungian psychology books, you'll find plenty of material including Jung's essays, Robert A. Johnson, Marie Louise von Franz.
I haven't heard much explanation of Jungian concepts from Jordan though. I don't even know if he's Jungian.
>world that offers them nothing but ahistorical notions of social justice and trivial bullshit like pronouns
Except when it doesn't, and you can just visit a public library, book store, internet and focus on things that have nothing to do with social justice or pronouns. It's about where you put your focus. If you put yourself in a jail of your creation, and then project that creation onto the outside world, well there's the problem.

>>20899646
>rules
Problem with rules is that people that write them can only write them for themselves. There's no reason to think they apply to anyone else. If Peterson had issues with lying, it may make sense for him to make a rule about telling the truth, and intellectualise all around it. What if you have no problem with telling the truth? His rules are just his diary entry, edited and published.

[Anonymous No.20900038]

>>20899609
Are you seriously implying every book couts as liteature?
Then let's discuss the literary merit of car repair manuals.

[Anonymous No.20900052]

>>20900038
Every written letter classifies as literature because word littera means letter in latin.

[Anonymous No.20900057]

>>20900038
If you're going to go down that road then I'm sure you have a very well thought out argument as to why Maps of Meaning is so lacking in quality that it can hardly be called literature.

>>20900000

[Anonymous No.20900070]

>>20900038
Only fiction and poetry are literature. Retards keep spamming non-sense for no reason.

[Anonymous No.20900090]

>>20900017
I know, but that's what the original gay cake legal issue was and I assume that's how Jordan interpreted the question. Not saying he doesn't look stupid in the video.

[Anonymous No.20900117]

>>20899712
Yes I agree with this interpretation, but I also think there are also a couple more; your own weakness, which is the cause of your chaotic way of existence, will certainly corrupt whatever thing you are trying to influence and if you are incapable of taking basic care of yourself your system of values is so messed up that you will become a headless chicken that is incable of discerning desirable from undesirable

[Anonymous No.20900122]

>>20899734
>>voice of reason, gets addicted to benzos
xd

>>20900090
>the original gay cake legal issue
>>20900017
>>20900001

wait.. what? How in fuck did he enter a conversation about this ?? damn jordie

[Anonymous No.20900153]

>>20899590
Selling out and joining shapiros network seems pretty indefensible.
At least hes still good for pissing off lards and trannies

[Anonymous No.20900201]

Jürgen Penissohn

[Anonymous No.20900227]

>>20899590
Because for years we had to hear about how this mediocre intellect was some kind of hard-hitting intellectual because he thought calling some college kids "xir" would resurrect the gulags with a vengeance. Even today you'll still hear retards claim that this numbnuts still had a few good points tho. Pathetic.

[Anonymous No.20900246]

>>20900227
You will never not be a retard. How retarded or not some e-celeb is will not change how braindead you are.

[Anonymous No.20900261]

>>20900227
ywnbaw

[Anonymous No.20900347]

>>20900246
>>20900261
More memetic non-arguments from the manchildren themselves.

[Anonymous No.20900529]

>>20899590
troll

[Anonymous No.20900554]

>>20899727
I'm interested, explain.

[Anonymous No.20900572]

>>20899605
Couldn't have said it better myself.

[Anonymous No.20900579]

>>20900153
Shapiro's network really is the anti-thesis to Jordan's character especially since he identifies as a liberal (of course you won't hear him say that anymore because of the audience he cultivated). He made a mistake to support the cultural conservatives (the censorship right wing) because they mutually hated the social justice movement. In a few years he's going to regret ever joining them once the cultural right starts censoring again (they've already started).

[Anonymous No.20900590]

>>20899590
He's alright. He's an interesting and perceptive guy.

He sometimes talks about things, while being completely unprepared about the subject, and he ends up saying something stupid.
Trannies like to pounce on this opportunity to make fun of him, but it's really no big deal and it doesn't detract from a lot of the good stuff he says.

[Anonymous No.20900615]

>>20900590
>He's an interesting and perceptive guy.
Not really.

[Anonymous No.20900637]

>>20900615
Compared to other popular public intellectuals? Yes, easily.

[Anonymous No.20900645]

>>20899617
I guess it beats doing cocaine and telling people the reason they have suicidal thoughts is because they want to fuck their mother

[Anonymous No.20900651]

>>20899590
People hate him for different reasons. The left hates him because they think he’s a “fascist”. The right because they know that he’s an astroturfed controlled opposition shill.

[Anonymous No.20901024]

>>20900122
The gay cake issue is simple, if I have to bake a gay the Jewish bakery has to make a Nazi cake, simple as

[Anonymous No.20901031]

>>20899590
Peterson is largely recognized as the "smart man" of today and most /lit/ people resent not being that for whatever grumbling reason their insecurities can muster. Peterson is a net positive.

[Anonymous No.20901056]

>>20899999
waste of digits

[Anonymous No.20901069]

His non psych stuff is meh to outright idiotic. What i've seen of his psych stuff has been generic but i'll take anons words for it that some of it is great since I don't know for sure.

As a britfag lefty I don't hate him I just think he merits little attention and find the constant furor around him tiresome and obnoxious.

[Anonymous No.20901299]

>>20901069
>Has barely read anything he's written
>Thinks his standing in society is unwarranted
The state of /lit/ today

[Anonymous No.20901303]

>>20900645
That sounds pretty awesome, bro.

[Anonymous No.20901308]

>>20899734
>waaaah I don't understand him!!!!111!!11!!
>funny voice therefore wrong
>gives great logical advice! (but, uh, doesn't follow it himself)
>he as medical problems!
>he's eccentric!!!
who gives a fuck?

[Anonymous No.20901388]

KEK boys

[Anonymous No.20901558]

>>20899734
>>20899952
The problem, of course, is that giving the true, correct, nuanced answer would be used as a weapon against you anyway. This is not to say that Peterson had thought the issue through properly and completely, because he didn't.

The right answer is that rights and freedoms are nearly always in tension with each other, and there is a threshold where collective action or legal intervention is justifiable as the appropriate solution. So, in this instance, we have freedom of association or non-association and freedom from compulsory service versus right to participate in the market and the right to be served absent customer misconduct.

Basically, the ideal equilibrium (which is really not possible to codify in a strictly interpretable or easily-enforceable way in the letter of the law) is that the provider of a service should not be forced to serve someone UNLESS no reasonable alternatives are available AND the potential customer has not engaged in conduct that a reasonable person would consider disqualifying. (It might be better yet to define the minimum size of a firm to which this applies—if I am a one-man business doing...whatever, it is probably on-balance more of an infringement to legally force me to serve any individual than to allow me to deny them service for any or no reason). To use the cake-baking example for an appropriately-behaved black couple (or white couple, or whatever), it should not be actionable if a bakery, or a few bakeries, refuse them service so long as there are comparable, accessible bakeries that can and will accommodate them. There is however a threshold where, if this kind of exclusion is widespread, you have a systemic problem that is most sensibly addressed with legislation.

Ultimately, Peterson should have rejected the framing of the prompt. What is presented is a choice between infringements upon rights (or if you prefer, two wrongs); which one is less-injurious to individuals, markets, and the fabric of society cannot be judged a priori.

Thanks for reading my blog.

[Anonymous No.20901592]

I liked his Biblical lectures. Is there anything similar to those out there?

[Anonymous No.20901754]

>>20899938
I must have missed the podcast where he claimed to be without flaws. For some reason all the ones I consumed he lumps himself into the lot of miserable people who can do better.

[Anonymous No.20901762]

>>20901558
i don't really see how refusing to bake an AIDS cake is the same as refusing to give a sit to a darkie

[Anonymous No.20901773]

>>20901592
>Is there anything similar to those out there
No. Nobody since the rise of video tape has thought as deeply or as clearly about religion, philosophy, and psychology and still possessed the coherency and charisma to communicate those thoughts to a live audience. You'll have to turn to writings to find a peer.

[Anonymous No.20902039]

>>20899590
lmao

[Anonymous No.20902369]

>>20901024
>The gay cake
Why would you as a gay man not want to bake a gay cake in the first place? How is that comparable?

No, I was just bemused at the outlandishness or surrealism of jordan peterson - a hard-hitting intellectual - weighing on a cake baking discussion and it being taken on his part (and others?) as being some kind of 'big serious thing'.

>simple as
simple as. how many essex posters are on this board?

[Anonymous No.20902377]

>>20901024
and and and and
more-to-the-fucking-point-of-sanity
HOW CAN A 'CAKE' BE GAY?!!?!

[Anonymous No.20902451]

>>20902039
What?

[Anonymous No.20902562]

>>20899590
>a broader public hungry for meaning in a world that offers them nothing but ahistorical notions of social justice and trivial bullshit like pronouns
>>20899609
>is a book
You're the reason everyone here shits on Lobsterguy Peenerson. No one gives a shit about some Youtuber targeting insecure boys with daddy issues, it's you weak boys with daddy issues we hate
No go fuck yourself and die

[Anonymous No.20902657]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxMMb2AT9Ac

[Anonymous No.20902796]

>>20901299
He has his standing because of his views on modern politics etc. He doesn't have his standing because of his psych work and you know it.

[Anonymous No.20902807]

i think most people are just tired of hearing about him

[Anonymous No.20902840]

>>20899590
>a broader public hungry for meaning in a world that offers them nothing but ahistorical notions of social justice and trivial bullshit like pronouns
What is all this 'meaning' Peterson supposedly delivers? Because one always hears thats what he offers, but no one can quite pin it down apart from generic calls to self-discipline and responsibility like any guru of the month.
If those poor souls oh-so-hungry for meaning would actually open a book once in a while they might discover that 'trivial bullshit' is not always so trivial, but lets be honest, they want rather to consooom fun videos and nod along when lobsterman owns the libs

[Anonymous No.20902859]

>>20899666
Hello, father.

[Anonymous No.20902875]

>>20901024
Why would a Nazi go to a Jewish cake shop? Seems like something they would want to avoid... because they're Nazis and all.

[Anonymous No.20902883]

>>20899646
The MoM book is great and I still consider it his most important work. It's unnecessarily verbose, yes - but the insights are actually amazing. I would recommend it to anyone here who's open to changing their mind on Peterson.

[Anonymous No.20902958]

>>20899590
>jungian psychology
it's just astrology for people who is too dumb for Lacan and Freud

>what's wrong with him
literally an alt right political guru who compares tidying your room to overcome shit in life

[Anonymous No.20902971]

>>20902875
They go in and ask for blue icing sugar, is what they do, those dastards.

>>20902562
>No one gives a shit about some Youtuber targeting insecure boys with daddy issues, it's you weak boys with daddy issues we hate
Exactly this. Everything about Peterson was stage managed to produce that exact following, and he's all googly eyed like it's some kind of success.

If I had anything to say and my followers were these sickos I'd have to be on drugs as well.

It sounds like a harsh put down of him,but it's really not. He's a stool pigeon, if he'd only have realized it before going along with it.

hello
> MoM

>>20902859
>Hello, father.
Here I am at
Camp Granada

>>20902883
and then he went and spoiled it all by saying something (to the trad-cells) like "i love you"

>>20902958
>>jungian psychology
>it's just astrology for people who is too dumb for Lacan and Freud
this.

board quality has noticeably improved in the last few moments.

[Anonymous No.20903078]

>>20899590
i think he's pretty great. never read his books, just listen to his lectures sometimes. negative voices on 4chan are usually the loudest.

[Anonymous No.20903096]

>>20903078
>negative voices
whereas positive voices are high pitched, chimpmunk like, punctuated with "Ey" and have a Canadian tone.
brrrrrzinga

[Anonymous No.20903160]

>>20902840
>What is all this 'meaning' Peterson supposedly delivers?
same shit that wokeism delivers: identitarianism (Western society) and moralism (judeo-christian tradition), just with a different clothing.

[Anonymous No.20903174]

>>20900038
>Then let's discuss the literary merit of car repair manuals.
shit example by an emotional child. if that manual exists in 5000 years it would be worshipped like Plato

[Anonymous No.20903191]

>>20903174
>if that manual exists in 5000 years it would be worshipped like Plato
argumetum ad populorum

[Anonymous No.20903200]

>>20903191
doesn't apply

[Anonymous No.20903268]

>>20899590
This dude just spouts basic, obvious life advice that your mother could probably give you but then injects it with his retarded view of modern society and sprinkles it with
>muh postmodern marxism

[Anonymous No.20903393]

>>20901069
So, his textbook Maps of Meaning is not original at all with regards to its content but it is highly creative and valuable respecting its form. He collated a truly titanic amount of very difficult information by pulling it out of some insanely abstruse theory and wrestled it all together into something approximating an instruction manual for analytic comparative meta-mythology; in other words, it's a handbook that teaches you how to speak and read the language of dreams.

Very impressive work for the age at which he accomplished it.

Regardless of every other silly and idiotic thing he does in the public sphere, acting as if he is stupid is simply foolish.

[Anonymous No.20903402]

>>20903200
wow, you made a great case.

I kind of only jumped in to call fallacy on your reasoning, I have no idea of the context but your reasoning is in error whatever it was about.

[Anonymous No.20903424]

>Arguing over whether a technical manual is literature.
Yes, it is. It's a technical manual, though. Not a written story.

Literature is a predicate of both written story and instruction manual.

I should never have studied philosophy, everyone is basically a monkey to me now.

[Anonymous No.20903435]

>>20899590
>Jungian concepts
aka astrology for brainlet rightoids

[Anonymous No.20903455]

>>20903424
>everyone is basically a monkey to me now
says the monkey, screeching and fumbling with the banana

[Anonymous No.20903486]

>>20903455
Yes, I know that you wrote that in your post. I'm not sure why you highlighted it in green, but I agree that you are a monkey.

[Anonymous No.20903505]

>>20903486
Prithee, primus, we are both monkeys.

[Anonymous No.20903539]

>>20902451
I am not a crook

[Anonymous No.20903565]

>>20899590
I don't necessarily hate him but I don't like how he became just another judeo-christian boomer complaining about politics affecting other judeo christians

[Anonymous No.20903597]

>>20903505
Says the monkey to the man.

[Anonymous No.20903736]

>>20899590
I bought a physical copy of the book instead of reading the free downloadable. good reminder to tackle it

[Anonymous No.20903743]

>>20903736
maps of meaning. was like 90 leafbucks

[Anonymous No.20904170]

>>20901024
Being a nazi is a choice though (as much as we can decide anything about our world view), while being gay or black isn't one

[Anonymous No.20904218]

>>20899762
This.
I enjoyed his insights early in his online career but he got bullied by unhinged lefties and as a result became a little unhinged himself.
His recent "Back Off, Oh Masters of the Universe" video is pretty lulzy.

[Anonymous No.20904529]

>>20899590
Nobody criticizes him for this but the one thing that is seriously dangerous about his theory is that his slave moralist interpretation of power that results in him doing a verbal slight-of-hand with the idea of competence.
Basically, competence is valued in terms of proficiency, which is power. If something is able to facilitate a goal, that is "power", but Peterson chooses to use the term "function" in its place because his idea of power is slave moralistic (meaning instead of understanding power as function he understands it as a goal, meaning in his lexicon power is seen as an end and not a means). So in short Peterson basically replaces the idea of "will to power" with this idea of "will to function".

Here's the problem with that:
If I say that
The value of competence = love (which is what Peterson says, love being the goal in question)
I don't actually change the definition of competence, but I do change the definition of love. Because when we say that the end goal of competence is love, we end up referring to all expressions of competence as expressions of love, and then power becomes love (its own end) in the way that Peterson tries to prevent.

[Anonymous No.20904548]

>>20904529
so to demonstrate that
Master morality:
The value of competence = power
The value of power = love

Slave morality
The value of competence = love
The value of power = power

By calling the value of competence "love" you de facto position power as its own justification, which creates a kind of vacuum similar to an extension chord plugged into itself. Competence provides power, power provides love.

[Anonymous No.20904561]

He's back
https://twitter.com/jordanbpeterson/status/1563324288647671810

[Anonymous No.20904575]

>>20904529
I don't think he makes it very clear what he means by competence. Is it just "ability to do something really well"?

>>20904561
So much so for not having spine. Same thing as him criticising covid restrictions and then hosting an event while the venue requires proof of vaccination upon entry.
He can talk, not much else.

[Anonymous No.20904584]

>>20904575
Competence by definition is the capacity to perform a task measured by proficiency (power).

[Anonymous No.20904588]

>>20904561
I think this makes him look like an absolute fool. He said he would rather die than delete the tweet.

[Anonymous No.20904598]

>>20904584
Okay, is the competence therefore always dependent on current societal values?
Being a competent blacksmith is different from being a competent actor. What Pete Jordanson doesn't make clear is how dependent it is on the context which you happen to find yourself in. Plus he says that the competent ones raise up in the social hierarchy. Well, what's social hierarchy to him? Money, fame, recognition, perks?

[Anonymous No.20904604]

>>20899590
Anyone seen his interview with dawkins? It was the cringiest case of logorrhea ive yet seen from peterson, not that i like dawkins that much but i almost felt bad for him being flooded by petersons free-association rambling.

[Anonymous No.20904613]

>>20904604
No, though I can imagine
I don't like Dawkins either

[Anonymous No.20904621]

He should try not being so angry all the time lately

[Anonymous No.20904642]

>>20904604
>interview with Dick Dorkins
I'd rather cut my dick off and never become a real woman.

[Anonymous No.20904653]

>>20899605
fpfp
>>20899609
Yet this thread is not even remotely about that, cretin.

[Anonymous No.20904837]

>>20904621
But that's just the bloody thing you know...

[Anonymous No.20905150]

>>20904604
>Anyone seen his interview with dawkins?
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 THIS EXISTS?!!?

I had not heard of this xD YES I AM WATCHING THIS .. soon, it sounds hilarious. I hope he fares better than he did against Matt Dillahunty, who is long past his prime anyway and presently insane.

>>20904837
ey, let me ask something, do you think Dostoevsky wasn't a mouthpiece of the West?

cartoon_chipmunk.jpg

[Anonymous No.20905192]

>>20899590
He's controlled opposition, you're either supposed to hate him or you're supposed to love him. And you MUST have a strong opinion one way or the other.

>>20899666
Yeah, here's one of the useful idiots who hates him because LE CONSERVATIVES

[Anonymous No.20905201]

>>20905192
>LE CONSERVATIVES
le conserva'tiff, she sounds, *decides over wine list*, past 'er prime.

[Anonymous No.20905211]

>>20899590
I don't believe in platforming fascism, and ironically I think Peterson would agree. He just doesn't realize where he stands.

[Anonymous No.20905217]

>>20905192
opposition to what, and controlled by whom?

[Anonymous No.20905224]

>>20905217
it's obvious from how he arrived; he's ignornt to it, which makes him stupid, but he was made into a name by the constant attention of the press, attacking him to make him look like a victim and 'enemy' of the establishment - same reason Trump had any followers.

[Anonymous No.20905244]

>>20899590
>Climate change isn't real because climate isn't real - Jordan R. Peterson
The R stands for retard by the way. He's a pretentious grifter and little more. The guy has a fucking psychology degree and sees fit to chime in on an actual subject despite the fact he knows nothing about it. Not that he would have said anything different even if he did know what he was talking about because there's one type of person who says shit like that and they're all getting money from fossil fuel companies to do so. Preachy, self-serious, Kermit the frog sounding nigger.

[Anonymous No.20905251]

>>20899590
lefty trannies hate him because he exposes how retarded he is and rightoids hate him because he is a controlled op fraud posing as your leader who the media and himself has crowned the leader whom defines the overton window of what is and is not acceptable to criticize by right wingers.

>sure we can expose how crazy tanny's and critical theory is
>but oh noooooooo we cant discuss who created and funds it and why!
Jorden peterson's purpose is to keep you chasing your tail

[Anonymous No.20905255]

>>20905251
* lefty trannies hate him because he exposes how retarded they and their ideology are

[Anonymous No.20905265]

>>20905217
He's probably not directly controlled by anyone, but he's pushed by youtube and facebook and so on because he stops people from actually radicalizing and embracing right wings forms of identitarianism. Funnily enough, despite Peterson being shoved non stop on youtube, even when the kind of people running it supposedly hate him, this video criticizing him for being controlled opposition can't be searched. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXYuqrO8LLo

[Anonymous No.20905276]

>>20899590
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSNWkRw53Jo
this is all you need to know about beterson
the video is hilarious so give it a watch

[Anonymous No.20905305]

>>20899646
>don't bother with the lectures
What the fuck do you even mean? That's his best shit.

[Anonymous No.20905342]

>>20905150
>it sounds hilarious
watching it now. Okay, now I sympathize with him again. and richard dawkins is against forcing 'wokeism' as well.

i wanted a comedy :( o well, good so far

[Anonymous No.20905348]

80% of people under 40 are way more "on twitter" than you think they are as a person who mainly uses 4chan. You have a whole self-deprecating worldview about how you're terminally online and secretly a 4chan incel haha lmao, but normies really got fucking devastated by twitter. Every ecosystem of slightly offbeat thought that used to give normies a bit of texture and nuance was absorbed into twitter, and they were all homogenized. They get all of their thoughts and conversation topics from summaries. They have fundamentally similar consciousness, structurally speaking, to an old boomer uncle who does literally nothing but watch that one news channel all day, so that you can predict everything he thinks and says before he even arrives to Thanksgiving dinner.

Peterson was briefly a cause du jour or "thing" for twitter leftists and twitter adjacent streamers and vloggers to pretend to be opinionated about. When their audience comes to 4chan, they repeat what they've been hearing as if everyone has had the same firmware update about it, and they genuinely can't understand when the responses they receive don't fit into the pre-established grooves they've learned.

For example nobody really talked about Peterson on /lit/ even at the peak of his 2016 culture war relevance, so when anti-Peterson people posted incredibly angrily about him they often got confused when the response was "why do you care so much about Jordan Peterson" instead of "FUCK YOU WOKE SJW, HE IS MY KEKISTANI GENERALISSIMO." So Peterson threads would always have this lopsided, slightly surreal rhythm to them, with breadtube tourist shadowboxing fictional Petersonfags, repeating facebook uncle soundbites like "remember when Peterson said THIS" or "remember Peterson's CARPET" as if anyone cares.

[Anonymous No.20905376]

>>20905348
>80% of people under 40 are way more "on twitter" than you think they are as a person who mainly uses 4chan.
pod people in platos cave, starving to death, that's all those people are;with a small revolving door for very young people to mistake it as being legitimate representation of 'real people', which is impossible when you become aware of the banning/censorship on all of those platforms. Then those platforms are just a revolving door for extremists who are radicalized against (whatever) by being abused through censorship.

We need actual public forums that obey the actual law, not made up policies, and which have judges and juries and the ability to defend yourself before being banned or deleted. Flawed and a mess, but 4chan is the only place where this most resembles a 'true representation' of the actual people.

>>20905342
>>20905150
good point raised within the first few minutes of the whole censorship process being inherently counter productive, again, see: >>20905224
>he was made into a name by the constant attention of the press, attacking him to make him look like a victim and 'enemy' of the establishment - same reason Trump had any followers.

[Anonymous No.20905387]

>>20899666
Okay i'll tell you we we don't like him. When you spoke, at his age, as a master of influence, as an "intellectual", you are supposed to have read everything. And by everything, obviously i don't mean everything, but at the very least all classics. That include having read thoroughly Marx, not only Das Kapital volume 1 (for all i know he only read communist manifest), but most of his work. Then only then, can you talk in front of a public about him. Same for Hegel.
I mean, the balls of someone to talk in public about someone he hasn't read.
If you haven't read something in particular, say that you do not have read him. Do not pretend to know what it is about when in reality you have no idea.

[Anonymous No.20905399]

>>20902859
Except Lucifer is adversary to YHWH.

[Anonymous No.20905402]

>4chan is the only place where this most resembles a 'true representation' of the actual people.
e.g.
Tradcaths, I hate you; your the only is a joke and your character is pure vice masked in a cloak of steaming hypocrisy and 'you know it', but I love fighting with you and would never want you to be banned or silenced.

Or: if I had an argument or case that I could prove, why in FUK would I want to remove anybody who I could argue the case with..?

censorship is deeply flawed, deeply deeply deeply. and perhaps this has been figured out and is being used for this end, or perhaps it's just stupidity on the part of the social media owner.

[Anonymous No.20905406]

>>20905348
>80% of people under 40 are way more "on twitter" than you think they are as a person who mainly uses 4chan.
pod people in platos cave, starving to death, that's all those people are;with a small revolving door for very young people to mistake it as being legitimate representation of 'real people', which is impossible when you become aware of the banning/censorship on all of those platforms. Then those platforms are just a revolving door for extremists who are radicalized against (whatever) by being abused through censorship.

We need actual public forums that obey the actual law, not made up policies, and which have judges and juries and the ability to defend yourself before being banned or deleted. Flawed and a mess, but 4chan is the only place where this most resembles a 'true representation' of the actual people.

>>20905342 (You)
>>20905150 (You)
good point raised within the first few minutes of the whole censorship process being inherently counter productive, again, see: >>20905224 (You)
>he was made into a name by the constant attention of the press, attacking him to make him look like a victim and 'enemy' of the establishment - same reason Trump had any followers.

>4chan is the only place where this most resembles a 'true representation' of the actual people.
e.g.
Tradcaths, I hate you; your religion is a joke and your character is pure vice masked in a cloak of steaming hypocrisy and 'you know it', but I love fighting with you and would never want you to be banned or silenced.

Or: if I had an argument or case that I could prove, why in FUK would I want to remove anybody who I could argue the case with..?

censorship is deeply flawed, deeply deeply deeply. and perhaps this has been figured out and is being used for this end, or perhaps it's just stupidity on the part of the social media owner.

[Anonymous No.20905423]

these feels. I feel like that football match during christmas of WW1.

[Anonymous No.20905434]

>>20905399
>Except Lucifer is adversary to YHWH.
You're wrong, barbarian. He's Gods prime enforcer of Gods Laws on Earth.

[Anonymous No.20905436]

>>20905276
Can you summarize it in a sentence? It it a serious analysis or more like 'let's cherry pick Peterson's worst moments'?

[Anonymous No.20905451]

>>20899590
Lefties hate him for being the face of the online/"alt"-right, rightwingers hate him for being controlled opposition.

[Anonymous No.20905460]

>>20899605
First post based post

[OP No.20905475]

I can't believe you idiots all took this weak bait.142 replies on JORDAN PETERSON THREAD. IN 2022. This board is a fucking farce.

[Anonymous No.20905488]

>>20905276
Love me Some More News. That guy is hilarious. He's like John Oliver if he were funny.

[Anonymous No.20905519]

>>20905488
I forgot how funny Cracked used to be

[Anonymous No.20905713]

>>20905436
Snarky internet comedian is a mix of filtered/disingenuous while acting condescendingly towards his better. Peevish midwit intellects live vicariously through his "edu"tainment, (e.g. we're not triggered, we're indignant!) and pat themselves on the back without realizing they're the reason we can't have nice things (and thereby the actual joke).

[Anonymous No.20905795]

>>20905276
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4e-nBSBRvU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4e-nBSBRvU
Yeah, these two are more credible than:
>clinical psychologist who spent decades personally helping hundreds of people severely afflicted by mental illness
>academic who published dozens of widely cited papers ranging in subjects varying from practical counseling, historical/philosophical roots of psychology, research paradigms in neurology...
>research scientist working on the operationalization of personality constructs as well as the neurobiological basis of addiction
>university professor who mentored dozens of grad students into academic, research, and counseling careers
>assisted in the development of software that increases the likelihood of at-risk students reaching graduation as a side project
>accidentally became internationally famous and ended up publishing 2 best selling books (so far) as well as organizing lectures in various countries throughout the world
inb4
>he's a drug addict tho!
>his office was messy once!
>er...you don't have a dad!
>er...wash your dick!
>his daughter is a slut!
>he likes the Jews!
>he's controlled opposition!
Still triggering trannies who don't like the truth, libtards who propaganize, racists he won't associate with, and pseuds who can't tell the difference between a media personality and real life.
>/thread

[Anonymous No.20905806]

>>20905276
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4e-nBSBRvU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzvOxyqWhJI
Yeah, these two tryhard ecelebs are more credible than:
>clinical psychologist who spent decades personally helping hundreds of people severely afflicted by mental illness
>academic who published dozens of widely cited papers ranging in subjects varying from practical counseling, historical/philosophical roots of psychology, research paradigms in neurology...
>research scientist working on the operationalization of personality constructs as well as the neurobiological basis of addiction
>university professor who mentored dozens of grad students into academic, research, and counseling careers
>assisted in the development of software that increases the likelihood of at-risk students reaching graduation as a side project
>accidentally became internationally famous and ended up publishing 2 best selling books (so far) as well as organizing lectures in various countries throughout the world
inb4
>he's a drug addict tho!
>his office was messy once!
>er...you don't have a dad!
>er...wash your dick!
>his daughter is a slut!
>he likes the Jews!
>he's controlled opposition!
Still triggering trannies who don't like the truth, libtards who propaganize, racists he won't associate with, and pseuds who can't tell the difference between a media personality and real life.
>/thread

[Anonymous No.20905918]

[Anonymous No.20906126]

>>20904170
>being black isn't a choice
but unfortunately being a nigger is
>being gay isn't a choice
you have a fetish, control yourself

[Anonymous No.20906162]

>>20905713
That's would I would have expected from the video. It seems to have really taken off though.

[Anonymous No.20906192]

>>20899590
He's a straight up wacko weirdo who talks about things he knows nothing about.

[Anonymous No.20906333]

>>20906162
He cut his teeth making clickbait for Cracked. Those guys encouraged him to copy the Daily Show/John Oliver (i.e. reddit) format and when he amassed enough viewship from their base he left and branched the show to his own channel. He's a Bernie bro who loves AOC and the squad (he spergs about the DNC establishment sometimes but nothing triggers him as much as a hint of conservatism)--midwits think that makes him edgy.

[Anonymous No.20906389]

>>20905276
I have a hard time understanding how you retards can convince yourselves you're not cancer.

[Anonymous No.20906394]

>* retard voice *
>DOYH!! CLEAN YO ROOM!!!
>AM VERI SMART

[Anonymous No.20906423]

>>20906389
We're the cool kids.

[Anonymous No.20906510]

lit·er·a·ture
[ˈlidərəCHər, ˈlidərəˌCHo͝or]
NOUN
written works, especially those considered of superior or lasting artistic merit

Under this definition, even shit about philosophy doesn't count as literature. Nietzsche is NOT literature.

[Anonymous No.20906689]

>>20906389
pls, petardson rode to fame on the back of fatherless /pol/ redditors, YOU are le cancer

[Anonymous No.20906780]

>>20906689
Peterson was already successful in multiple careers well before he took a few mins to call out trannies/leftoids/libtards sperging outside the building in which he had just given a lecture. He's a better media figure than snarky faggots like yourself deserve.

[Anonymous No.20906786]

>>20906780
Yeah he was a Harvard professor before he went to Toronto and was regularly on television, he wasn't new to the public eye. Trannies just gave him an entire second career by blasting music in his ears when he said he didn't like being bullied into some new cultural fad centered around faggot teenagers and their flavor of the month identity crises
>RESPECT MY EPHEMERAL WISHES THAT EVEN I WON'T RESPECT SOON OR I'LL HAVE THE STATE ENFORCE YOUR RESPECT

[Anonymous No.20906794]

>>20906780
Never said he wasn't successful you dumb cuck

[Anonymous No.20906855]

>>20906786
>second career
More like 5th (>>20905806).
>>20906794
I never said you did, retard. I pointed out your post was disingenuous (but I now know you're actually just too stupid to come up with anything other than the same shallow take we've all heard 10000 times).

[Anonymous No.20906976]

>>20899590
Guy can't write for shit. If his basic self-help ideas slathered in unnecessary mythologizing do something for you, fine. But as fpbp stated >>20899605 this board isn't for that.

[Anonymous No.20907060]

>>20899590
He's a hack that got destroyed by a sweaty homeless man in debate.

[Anonymous No.20907749]

>>20907060
Source?

[Anonymous No.20907755]

>>20907749
https://youtu.be/lsWndfzuOc4

[Anonymous No.20907964]

>>20907060
>>20907749
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIQp4KMwqwk

[Anonymous No.20907969]

>>20907060
Aristotle dunks on both of these retards so hard

[Anonymous No.20908017]

Nick Mullen totally annihilated this midwit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVXiXn8Oec8

[Anonymous No.20908248]

>>20905806
>noooo look at all his qualifications, how dare you criticize him on ANYTHING???
authoritarian personality in action

[Anonymous No.20909027]

>>20904598
Competence is literally how powerfully you perform a task
Nietzsche's will to power is "will to not fuck up"

[Anonymous No.20909346]

>>20908248
>noooo, let me parrot the same bullshit and equate people with nazis--can you not see I'm a critical thinker?!
Retard with no personality in action.

[Anonymous No.20909416]

>>20909027
Sure, why is he so fixated on the idea of competence then?

[Anonymous No.20909433]

>>20907060
He would have had an easier time if he would have argued for socialism and threw off his middling basic bitch normiecon cultural views for something far more extreme

[Anonymous No.20909446]

Peterson is the Last Messiah of Liberalism. Liberalism is dying so it had to conjure up a prophet that makes a religion out of it in a last ditch attempt to save it. That's all really all he represents; every word he says, every "deep thought" about Christianity or any other mythology he invokes only has one single purpose, to make current young Westerners into Reaganites/Thatcherites.

[Anonymous No.20909470]

>>20906976
Rec better self help pls.

[Anonymous No.20909530]

>>20899938
If a liar says lying is bad, does that make the statement hold any less weight? If so, why?

[Anonymous No.20909539]

>>20909530
Because he has no business saying it if he's a liar. He's just blabbering. Words should match actions, else you end up in the clown world we are in.

[Anonymous No.20909540]

>>20899590
Most of the hate I've seen is pathetic and comes from pathetic people, so it can be safely ignored.
He likes to go into interviews to state his opinion about literally everything, which sometimes makes him look silly. I don't think that outweighs most of what he says, which is legit. But faggots love to cherry pick quotes out of context and use the most uncheritable interpretation possible. Because he's, you know, a "right winger" so it's a religious war for them. (He's actually a pretty basic lib.)


At the end of the day, I think he deserves credit for calling out some of the woke insanity, because most academics don't dare to do it.
His psychological insights are also mostly legit, as much as psychology is legit anyway.
12 Rules for Life was mediocre at best, so I have no desire to read his books.
Some of his speeches/lectures/interviews are pretty cool. He's an articulate and passionate speaker. Sometimes I wish he was better read in philosophy, which would make him even more interesting, but oh well.

[Anonymous No.20909542]

>>20900052
Does that mean I get to discuss literary and philosophical merits of Yuru Yuri on /lit/? Nice.

[Anonymous No.20909545]

>>20909542
If you find a counterparty for that, you can discuss anything you want that is related to anything that is written. Pretty simple.

[Anonymous No.20909623]

>>20909539
You did not answer my question.

[Anonymous No.20909633]

>>20909623
I did. Read again.

[Anonymous No.20909661]

>>20909530
Yes, because lying is apparently useful or pleasant for him and the statement is at least incomplete. Maybe lying is mostly bad but sometimes unavoidable etc. And if petersons advice doesnt work for the man himself, maybe theres something wrong with the advice

[Anonymous No.20909683]

>>20909661
I promise you if you try heroin, it will be pleasant for you. I will still take your word for it if you say that taking heroin is bad. In fact, I will value your word more than the word of someone who hasn't done heroin before.

[Anonymous No.20909700]

>>20909683
You won't take his word on it. If you didn't know what heroin was that'd be a different thing. You already know heroin is bad and now you're saying you'd take his word on it.
Damn, the energy levels are really low on this one.

[Anonymous No.20909713]

I've never read anything he wrote on psychology, perhaps it even had some merit, but by now his brain is completely rotten.
He recently wrote some retarded take on the war in Ukraine, which went something like
>uh so the west has gone all woke, which is a form of marxiism and the russians had a bad experience with marxism and that's why invading ukraine is their way of trying to save the world
He's a walking reminder to take a break from culture war bullshit once in a while and focus on more important things.

[Anonymous No.20909718]

>>20909713
Kek
I think it's more of a reminder that talking about global things is just play with words. We can only focus on ourselves and the environment we physically live in.

[Anonymous No.20909724]

>>20909700
You don't already know that lying is bad? Do you need a saint to tell you that lying is bad in order to come to the conclusion that lying is bad?

[Anonymous No.20909732]

>>20909724
Me?
Apparently, Pete doesn't know it. After all he made it a rule for himself to not lie.

[Anonymous No.20909766]

>>20909683
You're not following the logic. If a liar preaches non lying but cant stop it himself, the message is not quite good enough, its just cheap moralism. If war-on-drugs people harp about how heroin is bad yet thousands still take heroin, the strategy is not working. If peterson goves life advice he cant follow, maybe there are hidden problems with it that make it too hard to follow

[Anonymous No.20909776]

>>20909766
Different anon
This is why advice can only be personal. It can only apply to you at a particular time and in a particular situation. Thinking advice can be given universally is an error that Peterson makes and that essentially puts him into situations such as those. He wrote the rules for himself, not for anybody else.

[Anonymous No.20909823]

>>20909766
You're clearly missing the point, so I'll help you out. Supposing "lying is bad" is a true statement, does it become untrue if uttered by a liar? Do unambiguous words change meaning depending on the person that utters them?

[Anonymous No.20909865]

>>20909823
Anon... I.. statements aren't separable from persons uttering them. Just like taking flower as separate from the environment it's in. The flower is dead when it's not in a particular environment, and the environment doesn't have that flower.

[Anonymous No.20909892]

People on this board have filthy penises and they don't like being reminded of it.

[Anonymous No.20909919]

>>20899590
He's sick. Psychiatrists are modern day priests. If you follow him it means you're also sick.

[Anonymous No.20909942]

>>20909823
Except you originally asked whether it carries less weight, not whether its untrue, and it was supposed to be an analogy for petersons advice, ie a practical real-world concern and not some trivial logic exercise. And yes, words (a) are almost never unambiguous outside of those abstract exercises (b) certainly change their meaning/implication depending on the person. You yourself alluded to that in your heroin example

[Anonymous No.20909984]

this moron literally got bodied by fucking MATT DILLAHUNTY. MATT FUCKING DILLAHUNTY

[Anonymous No.20910020]

>>20902958
>it's just astrology for people who is too dumb for Lacan and Freud

Jungposters BTFO

[Anonymous No.20910257]

>>20899627
That "mystical bollocks" sounds way more convincing than the alternative shit theory of Freud

[Anonymous No.20910292]

>>20909446
/thread

[Anonymous No.20910442]

>>20904548
>>20904529

I get it Anon, you mean he preaches pursuit of competence for its own sake? Although I don't know whether I would call it Slave morality since it views competence and power as innately evil.

Rather it's short-sighted Master morality focused on the present, pure ego without a goal.

[Anonymous No.20910615]

>retarded junkie, had to go to rehab because he isn't a man in control of himself (Very bad alcoholic and I quit booze and smoking on the same day, zero slips in around eight years- stfu about it being tough, I know as exceedingly few do)
>horrible father, daughter is a irreparable nightmare
>abject cowardice in refusing to debate anyone pro-White while preaching for Whites to never ever join up based on their shared heritage, race, needs and interests, etc. while the rest of the world is doing so and fortifying for the coming difficulties
Another piece of shit masquerading as a human being.

[Anonymous No.20911315]

>>20905434
For all i know YHWH didn't want man to eat the fruit of knowledge.
It was lucifer who tempted him.
Jews were YHWH worshippers, and were ennemies of canaanites, who were more like luciferians.
Lucifer values are more like "do what you want". YHWH values are the 10 commandment.
It's not the same god.
Anyone who mix up YHWH with lucifer, or moloch, is a half-wit, who doesn't have some very basic knowledge of esoterics.

[Anonymous No.20911327]

>>20909446
He clearly is reactionary, from a social angle. Same old discourse about why the youth shouldn't class struggle, and accept the status quo.

[Anonymous No.20911340]

>>20909713
Culture war is always a diversion tactics to get attention away from class struggle.

[Anonymous No.20911398]

>>20910615
>retarded junkie
Experienced severe side effects from a doctor prescribed medication.
>horrible father, daughter is a irreparable nightmare
She just married a chad and Jordan officiated their wedding.
>abject cowardice in refusing to debate anyone pro-White
Smart enough not to associate with racists (even though libtards and leftoids go to great lengths to associate him with them anyway).

Kek, you're a loser. Maybe you should actually read his self-help shit and turn your pathetic life around.

[Anonymous No.20911591]

>>20899590
Lazy faggots hate him because he tells them the truth

[Anonymous No.20911654]

>>20899956
seethe harder nigger

[Anonymous No.20911968]

>>20899590
The short of it is his daughter wants to fuck and kill and make as much money off the name as possible.

[Anonymous No.20912049]

>>20911591
He is a lazy faggot

[Anonymous No.20912059]

>>20911968
don't discount his daughter. she comes from intelligent, moral stock with strong roots in christianity. i have no idea why people like painting her as some evil loose cannon manipulator, but the framing really doesn't fit.

[Anonymous No.20912192]

>>20899938
As the son of a raging alcoholic with a masters degree in psychology, I can tell you that people have the hardest time of taking advice from themselves more than anyone else.

[Anonymous No.20912207]

>>20912059
Christard

[Anonymous No.20912250]

I dont really have a problem with his life advice, but will the peterson shills actually defend the meat "diet"? Its insane and probably contributed to him being so cringingly on edge these last few months

[Anonymous No.20912260]

>>20899590
>3 days old thread
Aaah, I see the seethe for Peterson is as fresh as ever.

[Anonymous No.20912296]

>>20899590
I don't hate him BECAUSE I am not sure if he's Irish. I hate the Irish.

[Anonymous No.20912371]

>>20911398
>Smart enough not to associate with racists
Who is Stefan Molyneux, Tara McCarthy, Gavin Mcinnes?

Also the only reason Peterson lost to that Aussie comedian is because if he stated his true position he would have been effectively a segergationist. He would have black ppl live in highly oppressive society with mass discrimination cause muh freedom.

[Anonymous No.20912506]

>>20911398

[Anonymous No.20912612]

>>20899590
grifter
pseud
arrogant
smug
midwit

[Anonymous No.20912616]

>>20899938
>>20899712
he reminds me of marcus aurelius for that reason
marcus aurelius was also a mediocre philosopher/psychologist who talked a lot about "cleaning your room", but then became a literal cuck for his wife and had to take drugs to cope with his life as a fucking emperor

juden peepeestein is almost exactly the same, just much poorer and less successful

[Anonymous No.20912618]

>>20899738
begone kike rat

[Anonymous No.20912620]

>>20899804
>I watched some of his older stuff before he had his on-film breakdown/s, I can never look at him the same again. I think chris chan, also, had long ago suffered enough and should be left alone without demented internet posters egging him on to mash his chest together and do make-up tutorials.
most people are sick and if you become a public person you have to treat people like cattle, like a psychopath would, or else you are at their mercy, friend

[Anonymous No.20912622]

>>20899999
good point, but a waste of digits
you will be punished by kek for this transgression

[Anonymous No.20912629]

>>20903191
>>20903200
>>20903402
>fallacy nigger still rambles about fallacies in fucking 2022
you just got out of your time capsule, faggot?

[Anonymous No.20912656]

>>20902451
This retard has been posting this (>>20902039) random Gravity's Rainbow excerpt and pretending it's something Peterson wrote for almost a year. Pic-related doesn't even go back all the way; he needs to get a life.

[Anonymous No.20913043]

>>20912656
lol

[Anonymous No.20913359]

>>20900227
>because he thought calling some college kids "xir" would resurrect the gulags with a vengeance
All the hyperbole in the world doesn't change the fact that he was dead right on that issue of compulsory tranny pronouns.

[Anonymous No.20913378]

>>20899590
The left hates him for obvious reasons. The new right hates him because he promotes individualism over group identity. He's ultimately correct in principle, but it's very hard in practice not to band into a group when groups which hate you are attacking you from all sides.

[Anonymous No.20913382]

>>20902369
>weighing on a cake baking discussion
The issue is whether private businesses can refuse custom orders that conflict with their personal beliefs. Are you a disingenuous tranny or something?

[Anonymous No.20913428]

>>20904170
Having homosexual desires is not a choice, but 'being gay' absolutely is. And requesting a gay themed cake is also a choice.

Anyway, JP fucked up by responding too quickly without knowing the details. Many such cases.

[Anonymous No.20913580]

>>20911315
>Lucifer values are more like "do what you want".
Then why does Lucifer run Gods prison and enforce his Laws? It's like saying that if you go against the Japanese Government then you're ally of Korea, and they'll send you to Korea where the Koreans will punish you for going against the Japanese Government.

lol japanese and korean.. i didn't want to be boring and say Hitler

>>20912620
That's just egoistic celebrityism, having been mistaken for being the proper conduct when you speak to or have anything to do with other people.

>>20912629
Yep. Laws of Physics and Logic don't give a fuck about your opinions. If a thing is predicated upon an error in reasoning it won't work... that is, your car manual being taken as a holy book after the passing of 5,000 yrs, and whatever you were using that as an analogy for, since the analogy was an argumentum ad populorum; an appeal to majority opinion and not the truth of the matter.

> time capsule,
i'm going back soon, i just came here to snatch some prime post-covid american boypussy for my torture chamber in the yr 30k.

>>20913382
>Are you a disingenuous tranny or something?
lol based on the last reply? hahahaha

>The issue is whether private businesses can refuse custom orders that conflict with their personal beliefs.
that you even take this seriously is bizarre, it's a cake bake matter being touted as supremely important as a matter of discussion vs. everything else in the world.

The answer is probably not. You can't tell wheelchair users, blacks or irish to piss off if you're a public vendor, for instance, your beliefs weigh in at nothing by comparison to your civic responsibilities as a public vendor.


>>20899590
because of this kind of shit. Kids calling people trannies for laughing at the comedy in their surrealistic vaudevillian political ravings.

[Anonymous No.20913585]

>civic responsibilities as a public vendor.
i mean: municipal duties, proprietorship codes, etc.

[Anonymous No.20913597]

>>20913580
>That's just egoistic celebrityism, having been mistaken for being the proper conduct when you speak to or have anything to do with other people.
This is peak naivety and wanting-to-get-torn-into-pieces-by-the-angry-mob-of-morons-ism. Try having "the proper conduct" when dealing with the 1-5% of a population who are mentally ill (schizo, psycho, etc.) and who can hate you for no good reason. Which is why how people get assassinated, stalked, etc. And that's assuming you somehow please the remaining 95-99%. You're naive. You wouldn't survive a day if you were a public person. This is why they hire teams of people that take care of PR, security. etc.

[Anonymous No.20913608]

>>20913359
>Prime Minister enacting dictatorial powers under false pretenses (setting a dangerous precident)
>MSM not criticizing it
>FBI being used as a political weapon
>MSM not criticizing it (again)
>big tech monopolies supressing communication by shadowbanning dialogue via algorithms
>MSM...you get the idea
>mandated speech laws
>censorship laws and apparati (e.g. C-11, Disinformation Governance Board, etc)
>puberty blockers, hormone therapy, and even surgeries being given to kids
He's been right about pretty much everything so far. That's why libtards hate him.

[Anonymous No.20913625]

he's an asshole, grifter and snake-oil salesman.
He's also a po faced cunt. Would it hurt him to crack a smile just once. He looks gormless

[Anonymous No.20913628]

>>20899590
I don't like him because he shills Israel

[Anonymous No.20913632]

>>20909470
Unironically the Critique of Pure Reason.

[Anonymous No.20913782]

>>20899590
hahahahahaHAHAHAHA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2g-_A_zYsE

[Anonymous No.20913785]

>>20913580
>that you even take this seriously is bizarre, it's a cake bake matter being touted as supremely important as a matter of discussion vs. everything else in the world.
In an era of increasingly tense heterogeneity of culture, mass media, and censorship, this is a deeply ramifying issue.
>>20913585
>i mean: municipal duties, proprietorship codes, etc
That's exactly the issue at hand. There are no codes stating "you have to make gay cakes for gay customers", but Peterson's whole rise to public spotlight came from actual legislation where civic duties and freedom of speech are becoming grossly muddled in a manner not altogether removed from the gay cake scenario. You are missing the forest for the trees.

[Anonymous No.20913788]

He's the epitome of the flaws of clasical utilitarianism. He's all in on individual taking matters in their own hands. This advice works well for majority of people. This also basically means that current system is ok with all the flaws.

[Anonymous No.20913797]

>>20913597
>You wouldn't survive a day if you were a public person.
lol who would want any of that? Celebrityism would be absolutely awful, but you could probably avoid 95% of it by not having a twitter profile.

>This is why they hire teams of people that take care of PR, security. etc.
>assassinated
No, that's because those few people are guilty of great crimes and have terrible fear of the consequences catching up with them.

The answer is to not do bad things to anybody in the first place to not 'make' those enemies, as a bodyguard with a gun isn't going to stop an assassination in all reality and employing PR to whitewash your crimes just makes people think you're part of an even larger conspiracy, and go after you all the more. Deservedly so, tho, in my opinion.

[Anonymous No.20913820]

>>20899590
I think in the psychology field Peterson cant really be hated , his knowledge in that domain is vast and he ha been in it for decades.
and he also gives pretty fair and good advice to young men to follow.
Why he gets hate is because he is contradictarian and has some awful takes such as saying "You cant trust the data because too much ideology is envolved" referring to climate change , or saying that there is no such thing as climate because "climate and everything are the same words".

[Anonymous No.20913830]

>>20910615
>has no sympathy for another's struggle after overcoming his own
>capitalizes white
Maybe you shouldn't have quit drinking

[Anonymous No.20913844]

>>20913785
>this is a deeply ramifying issue.
No it's an obviously contrived vaudeville; it's a hilarious sounding non-issue related to nothing serious, which is just a distraction from all the other real issues. If a possible conclusion of the great cake saga even remotely involved a winding back of the abuse of 'hate' legislation we'd never have heard of it in the first place.

> Peterson's whole rise to public spotlight
Like Trumps was 1000% contrived and promulgated by the 'leftist' press. They'd have to be completely stupid to have done this thing by accident once, and then done it again and again.

to this specific issue though,
>civic duties

They reframe a municipal matter fo vendors as if it were a moralistic or philosophical debate; it's the same error as when they pretend that black people or women are actively repressed in the modern day,when the laws were remedied to address those legitimate grievances decades ago. Under the laws today (likely wherever we both are speaking english) it's already unlawful to discriminate against a person under those kinds of categories, and it has been probably since the middle 90's.

We can count the number of times since then that this issue has even come up, as clearly everybody was fine with it and didn't even notice it all this time - that's how 'huge' the matter was since it was introduced lol

[Anonymous No.20913847]

>>20913820
>I think in the psychology field Peterson cant really be hated
Why not? He is focused on Big Five. The simplest criticism of such models is that the results of such tests are based on declarations about ones own behaviour. If ones imagine of their behaviour is distorted enough, it also distorts the results of the test. By an extension, predictable ability of the tests is limited. Though, it's pretty common sense to say that organised and conscientious people tend to do better at work and disagreeable people tend to make for better negotiators.
Aside from his focus on Big Five it's pretty difficult to point out what his thoughts on human psyche are. He's all over the place, mostly with some existential and psychoanalytic elements thrown here and there.

>he also gives pretty fair and good advice to young men to follow
No, this is an error. Advice can only be personalised. You cannot give advice to young people because it'd either be so vague that it's hard to follow or it'd be so specific that it's inapplicable to part of the group. Young people as a group aren't homogenous, so there's that also.
>"You cant trust the data because too much ideology is envolved"
Yeah, though he tends to use "data" a lot in his supposed research. It's ironic.

[Anonymous No.20913888]

>>20905305
He's saying people don't bother with them, not that they shouldn't. Which is true: most know him from 12 rules and media appearances rather than his academic work. I personally found the 2017 MoM lectures very comfy.

[Anonymous No.20913920]

>>20913844
>If a possible conclusion of the great cake saga even remotely involved a winding back of the abuse of 'hate' legislation we'd never have heard of it in the first place.
On that much we agree, because the cake saga getting so much media attention was a sign of the insinuated "correct" answer that is being pushed for until we're where we are, with children getting taken away by CPS because their parents won't affirm their trans identities.
>They reframe a municipal matter fo vendors as if it were a moralistic or philosophical debate
That the media framing was stupid does not mean the issue itself is unworthy of critical attention. It is BECAUSE most people are so susceptible to propaganda that things like that actually should be treated as serious topics for discussion. Peterson was dead right about the pronouns thing, and he addressed that particular topic appropriately; on the other hand, you see the cake thing as immaterial nonsense because you're framing it from a "public vendor" perspective while dismissing the "privately owned business" perspective. These are not trivial to reconcile in a civic philosophy, and the fact that we're even having this discussion pretty thoroughly contradicts your dismissive attitude. Especially when your answer to the question (of whether private businesses can refuse custom orders based on personal beliefs) is "probably not": can't even give a hard "no" without a qualifying "probably".

He was a little bitch on the cake thing, though, since he doesn't have the chad autism to stick to hard principles of civic rights in the face of being seen as raysis.

[Anonymous No.20914030]

>>20909416
because for whatever reason he categorized the will to power as psychopathic and then categorized efforts towards competence as properly ethical.

This means he cannot tolerate the reality of his own will to power and created an entire psychological doctrine to cope with it.

[Anonymous No.20914041]

>>20910442
>Rather it's short-sighted Master morality focused on the present, pure ego without a goal.
Master morality is when you are motivated towards a goal rather than away from an obstacle. There literally is no clearer way to describe it.
Slave morality does not view competence as evil, it views competence as the antidote to oppression (which it calls power). This means that Peterson's doctrine literally instructs people to value power for its own sake in an effort to defeat power itself.

[Anonymous No.20914051]

>>20913797
You have to be trolling/shitposting.
At some point you don't make enemies, people become your enemy by default. Even "ideally good" people like Mahatma Gandhi have had enemies. Everyone has. And you don't even have to do or say the wrong thing. Some people just hate you for no reason (schizos, psychos, etc.).

You seem to have some errors in your brain.
>a bodyguard with a gun isn't going to stop an assassination
alright, but you can reduce the chances of dying, correct? many assassination attempts have been prevented in history (google it)

[Anonymous No.20914054]

>>20914041
His categorization of Masculine/Feminine = Order/Chaos is also wrong
Femininity is unity and masculinity is multiplicity
All phenomena depends on the relationship between unity and multiplicity
In order to have a span of time, like any unit, you need two points and a connection between them. All "points" can just be subdivided, which means that all singulars contain multiplicity.
Masculinity is the principle that divides,
Femininity is the principle that connects
Peterson's categorization of unity as chaos renders his doctrine completely antisocial

[Anonymous No.20914088]

>>20914054
So in short
>He categorizes competence as that which provides love
>Because competence actually provides power, his definition of love is "power"
>Because his doctrine is radically individualistic it is hypothetically impossible for anyone who follows it to bind their motivational power with that of others (shared identity, what we call an "interpersonal bond")
>By categorizing "femininity" as "chaos" he classifies "unity" as "chaos"
>Because masculinity is the principle of multiplicity (negation), masculinity is actually chaos (the line or shadow drawn between two things that makes them distinct)
>Consequentially his categories of order and chaos are backwards
>Consequentially power is female (the thing that connects)
>Consequentially his philosophy is homosexual and totalitarian (being attracted to competence instead of power)

[Anonymous No.20914102]

>>20914088
And if power being female sounds off, think of it this way
When you have an electrical outlet, the female end provides the power and the male end receives it

[Anonymous No.20914104]

>>20913920
>cake saga getting so much media attention was a sign of
or, more simple explanation, it was a non-issue that was easy to say "i agree" about, so it served as a simple virtue-signalling point or cause-celebre. Serving the same position for the opposing side to rail against and make themselves look like idiots, as (unwittingly or not) embodied by Peterson.

>with children getting taken away by CPS because their parents won't affirm their trans identities.
Also this; providing yet another excuse to censor and go after people for disagreeing with [insert latest bullshit here]. But if the issue is as simple as this one, i.e. has been in law for over 30 yrs and is not unreasonable, then it's an obvious trap - to be encouraged to go and protest in order to have an excuse to use you as an example of a dissident, to prove that 'cliche dissidents' (widespread neo nazism, etc.) exist.

>you see the cake thing as immaterial nonsense because you're framing it from a "public vendor" perspective while dismissing the "privately owned business" perspective.
Well, then you're partly being led into this trap through ideological framing of the thing, instead of the fare more clear-cut municipal and legal bedrock where the thing is actually dealt with.

>Especially when your answer to the question (of whether private businesses can refuse custom orders based on personal beliefs) is "probably not": can't even give a hard "no" without a qualifying "probably".
I said 'probably' because I'm not up on the tiny details of American States and Canadian laws in this area; and I really said 'probably' because I don't know whether it was put into code in the middle 90's or whether it had existed on the books since the end of segregation or the decriminalizing of homosexuality - whenever that was in America.

My point, regardless, was that the issue itself hasn't existed for at least a quarter of a century; that the laws are already in favor of the position being advocated, in the same manner as discrimination over race or gender, that's why it's obviously a non-issue at the root of the complaint, and that, I would say, is why it's a nice and safe thing to signal about (as they're championing for a thing which is already established under the law) and probably this argument can be raised at any point in order to make the anti-cake lobby look like complete morons who don't know the law.

i.e. it is contrived from start to finish; a vaudeville or pantomime show.

[Anonymous No.20914131]

>>20914041
I don't follow peterson much but your description suddenly makes it clear why he made a video telling muslims to make peace deals with Israel. The master morality response is what anti-Israel countries are doing, aka exerting their power to destroy an invader. Peterson literally tells muslims to make peace deals with people that took their homes because it's the more "peaceful" solution

[Anonymous No.20914182]

>>20914102
dumb dumb dumb

[Anonymous No.20914219]

>>20914104
The gay cake saga happened in the UK and was finally settled in favor for the BAKERS, not the gays, which was at least moderately controversial. Do you feel it should have been in favor of the gays?

[Anonymous No.20914354]

>>20913830
>>has no sympathy for another's struggle after overcoming his own
When a person needs be shipped off to rehab as opposed to pulling their shit together, it's a scathing indictment. Addicts famously like to say they're powerless to their addiction but the truth is they're all-powerful and have chosen to give their power away and divorce themselves from the responsibility for that. Addiction isn't the disease, it's a symptom of the disease of weakness of character. JP proves time and again that he isn't capable of standing up to life's giants, or its windmills.
>>capitalizes white
Tell us all your pronouns.
>Maybe you shouldn't have quit drinking
You have no dick.

[Anonymous No.20914471]

>>20913797
>No, that's because those few people are guilty of great crimes and have terrible fear of the consequences catching up with them.
>The answer is to not do bad things to anybody in the first place to not 'make' those enemies,
by "great crimes" and "not do bad things" you mean saying something people disagree with. well, you just said something i disagreed with, therefore you deserve to be tortured to death, according to your own logic. but there's no point in killing retards like you, because you're already braindead, anyway.

[Anonymous No.20914545]

>>20905451
Personally, I strongly dislike him because he hasn't bothered to read the philosophers he claims to despise.

On his website, Jordan Peterson blames Foucault and Marx for creating the systems of thought that inspired his vacuous buzzword "postmodern neo-Marxism". I've seen posters on /pol/ use the Frankfurt School as a boogeyman too when citing Peterson, though I don't know if he's ever actually mentioned them. Peterson has not read Foucault, Marx, Adorno, Benjamin, Horkheimer, or anyone else that he complains about as the ideological beginning of SJWs (he admitted that the only Marx he read was directly before the Zizek debate, and it was the Communist Manifesto, which is just a cry to arms not a detailed political treatise, so it's not very useful for learning what Marx really believed). He thinks Foucault's structuralism is equivalent to Marx's dialectical materialism, which is laughable if you've even done some basic research (like googling) as to what the terms mean. It seems like he gets all his information of the thinkers he derides secondhand from Steven Hicks.

Peterson is a hack speaking outside his discipline who uses the veneer of academic authority and "expertise" to comment on areas he has put minimal effort into studying. That's why Zizek was so visibly baffled a few times during that debate, he was taken aback by the fact that this guy was just name-dropping without having done any fucking research. I don't particularly car before Zizek either but I respect that the man has at least done his homework.

Peterson's just some pseudo-celebrity Sophist who gets away with spewing gibberish because the vast majority of people don't actually engage with his writing or speeches. They just like the idea of the man and they defend that.

[Anonymous No.20914549]

>>20908017
The impression gave me a hearty chuckle

[Anonymous No.20914618]

>>20899590
This man makes me want to fall for the Jung meme. Which book of his should I start on?

[Anonymous No.20914797]

>>20905806
>>20905387
Both of these are germane; Peterson is very knowledgeable about a narrow range of things he's been immersed in continuously, but he isn't the sort of wise or brilliant thinker that should be fighting any broad cultural battles, nor drawing attention to himself like he's some sort of defiant rebel. I mean he IS a rebel by canadian standards but that's merely a statement about how gay and pathetic canada is right now.

>>20909542
I look forward to some Yuru Yuri threads in /lit/'s future.

>>20912059
She has like 8 prescriptions including herpes medication. She's a busted ho.

>>20912250
Have you tried it? I did it ages ago because I was having some dysbiosis issues that I hoped it would help with (it did!) and it made me feel much healthier in general. Only stopped because it's hard not to eat carbs when out with the boys.

[Anonymous No.20914814]

>>20904604
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbGoUwmqIEQ

I watched 10 minutes. What was Peterson thinking? I mean he knows Dawkins was a horsemen of the new atheists and someone he personally criticized in his debates with sam harris. He said Dawkins' ideas were shallow and unsophistated and his meme theory is inferior to archetypes. They have nothing in common besides a tenuous shared disgust with PC language. Does he think he can play Tolkien to Dawkin's CS Lewis here and they can bond over cancel culture the way he does with other IDW people?
There's a fundamental difference between the way he and Dawkins thinks. For all his edgy rebellious flavor of atheism Dawkins is a legit scientist, meanwhile Peterson is a pseud who keeps venturing outside of his field of psychology to make these flimsy analogies based on whatever sparknotes summary he read on molecular biology/AI/computational neuroscience/evpsych. He's worse than Michio Kaku. At least as a theoretical physicist Kaku has enough grounding in high level mathematics to talk in concrete terms when he needs to. Peterson doesn't even have that. He'll take respectable concepts grounded in science and extrapolate them to infinity to justify Christian Universalism. In the video he takes a simple concept like female mate selection, and then somehow concludes there's a Chomsy-esque neurological structure in female brains that encodes the image of the ideal Man, aka Jesus. And this was all written in the bible as Man is created in the image of God. And the more you act like Jesus the more sexually fit you are. Really? That's his big idea? Trying to establish some biological reality to those "what will jesus do" bracelets? Is Elon Musk a prophet? Or maybe Genghis Khan must be really close to being a God Emperor. I mean he must know biologists are put off by any talk about directionality or end goal in evolution yet he still invited Dawkins to hear him prattle on about this.
Peterson's the kind of guy to tell you to "read more" and only to make 10 hours worth of lectures on pic related.

[Anonymous No.20914818]

>>20899590
He's a straight white male academic. He's basically the Devil incarnate for tons of people regardless of what political sports team they root for.

[Anonymous No.20914868]

>>20914545
Is it me or has peterson's usage of postmodernism completely diverged from its original meaning and has become synonymous with dyed hair feminism? I mean isn't the concept of the west as a history of patriarchy itself a grand narrative? Doesn't Peterson himself literally use postmodernism to dismantle his opponent in that wage gap debate that made him famous? He says something about how complex multivariate analysis shows the wage gap isn't all that much. That sounds suspiciously similar to a postmodernism breakdown

[Anonymous No.20914959]

>>20914868
>Is it me or has peterson's usage of postmodernism completely diverged from its original meaning and has become synonymous with dyed hair feminism?

Exactly, this is why he's such a hack. He has no real understanding of what postmodernism means, it's just a word he picked out of a hat so he could slap an academic-sounding term on a movement he doesn't like. It's transparently stupid, and if you asked him to define postmodernism, I doubt he could. Peterson knows fuck-all about Marxism too.

[Anonymous No.20915003]

>>20914471
>by "great crimes" and "not do bad things" you mean saying something people disagree with.
i'm talking about war crimes and financial crimes, dumb-dumb.

you prove my point of how these nonsenses serve as a constant news-cycle of distractions from reality.

>you're already braindead, anyway.
yup.

I'd advise you to just stop watching and reading the 'news (lit. nous)' for a few years, you'll gain back your sense of persepective about these pet topics really quickly.


>>20914219
If wasn't an American thing? Huh. I don't really remember anything about it at all, for obvious reasons (see above). No, I guess I'm happy for the bakers for being given permission by the state not to have to bake a giant penis for some activist, but either way I could care less.

Did you know the US lost a major war while this was happening?

[Anonymous No.20915004]

>>20914797
>She has like 8 prescriptions including herpes medication.
what's wrong with taking medication? obviously with her father being a psychologist, she puts a stronger focus on her health which would necessitate taking medication when a problem arises.
that's part of being responsible

[Anonymous No.20915142]

>>20914182
femininity is unity and power is the thing that connects
the absence of connection is the absence of power

[Anonymous No.20915151]

>>20900579
Umm sweetie right has no power therefore they don’t have left wing privilege

[Anonymous No.20915158]

>>20899590
Truth be told, Peterson is more intelligent and more articulate than 99% of the people who use this board, let alone the site in general. They dunk on him and call his well-explained ideas basic and "mid" to feel intellectually-superior, when in reality Peterson would destroy any of you neckbeards in a debate.

Maps of Meaning was good, I'd recommend watching his Biblical series on YouTube while studying the Bible for a better understanding of its themes and narratives. They're very long, but the series is an excellent companion to the Summa Theologia. https://youtu.be/f-wWBGo6a2w

[Anonymous No.20915161]

>CTRL+F "pubic hair"
>CTRL+F "grandma"
>0 results
/lit/ never reads

[Anonymous No.20915174]

>>20915158
That's funny, it seems like you ignored a quarter of this thread where posters go in-depth as to why Peterson is a peacocking psuedo-intellectual

>>20915161
What the fuck man

[Anonymous No.20915201]

>>20914131
This is a large problem not only with Peterson but with the way people practice/preach Christianity in general
You're supposed to 1. love God and 2. love thy neighbour as thyself
every other Christian law is then valued relative to that
this means if you kill someone to defend your family (meaning you acted out of love, thus you obeyed the first two laws) you are perfectly fine
that which is done out of love takes place beyond good and evil is literally written in the bible
if a person were to spare a home invader, allowing them to effortlessly murder the wife and kids when the home owner was perfectly capable of defense (say they were both unarmed and the home owner was way stronger)
the coward home owner would be breaking the first two laws by betraying their instinct towards love out of fear when they knew they would be forgiven anyway

[Anonymous No.20915214]

>>20914797
>I mean he IS a rebel by canadian standards
International media organizations and publically funded media in various countries think enough of his edge that they've been trying to assassintate his character for the better part of a decade now.

[Anonymous No.20915230]

>>20915174
yeah because they're all whiny faggots

[Anonymous No.20915231]

>>20915201
that means if you treat any law as more important than 1. love God 2. love thy neighbor
you immediately lose all moral credibility
peace that betrays love betrays God

[Anonymous No.20915274]

>>20915161
Jesus Christ. Though reading this out of context probably makes it seem weirder. I'm guessing his talking point here is dementia or declining mental states in general?

[Anonymous No.20915275]

>>20915274
its a dream report

[Anonymous No.20915297]

>>20915161
damn that's kinda hot. he should start writing erotica. he might earn some respect on this board.

[Anonymous No.20915406]

>>20915274
See >>20903393

There's a special place in hell for people who discuss books they haven't read and people they don't understand on the internet.

[Anonymous No.20915593]

>>20915161

[Anonymous No.20915642]

>>20915174
>it seems like you ignored a quarter of this thread where posters go in-depth
A quarter is extremely generous (as is the idea of "in-depth"). It's always the same tired bullshit about (a short stint of) severe withdrawl from a prescribed medication being a character defining drug addiction and being filtered by what he says to the point of accusing him of wanting to exterminate the mentally retarded (literally the just of this 3hr sperg video posed by this retard >>20905276). Aside from that you have a bunch of pseuds thinking they're proving their intellect buy dunking on low-hanging self-help shit without taking into account it's for a general audience. Oh, and don't forget the best part: the reacts people have to Peterson underscore that racists and libtards are just as bad as one another and are literally in the same boat.

[Anonymous No.20915898]

>>20915158
>when in reality Peterson would destroy any of you neckbeards in a debate.
he might 'destroy' me in a debate because hes well-practised and paid millions for debating, ie is a modern-day gladiator for the entertainment of midwits. In a written argument where coherence and not rhetorical facility is key he wouldnt have a chance, as he wouldnt against any 'postmodern neomarxist'

[Anonymous No.20916387]

>>20909542
Nice

[Anonymous No.20916652]

>>20915201
>this means if you kill someone to defend your family (meaning you acted out of love, thus you obeyed the first two laws) you are perfectly fine
The legalism of the Pharisees.

>>20915898
>hes well-practised and paid millions for debating, ie is a modern-day gladiator for the entertainment of midwits
lol not even this, he fucking used the most obvious turnabout on Matt Dillahunty which made him (peterson i mean) look like a sleazeball (if we suppose it was purposeful, i disagree that it was), he was immediately called on it, and apologised, so he wasn't thinking when he was speaking.

>>20915898
>In a written argument where coherence and not rhetorical facility is key he wouldnt have a chance, as he wouldnt against any 'postmodern neomarxist'
This, probably. If you notice though, a lot of people he's talking to (and people talking about him here) are more often saying that they 'sympathize' with what he experienced for talking about his original position and agreed with his original position; against coercive speech, censorship, press manipulation, 'fake-leftist' hate mobs, etc. This is not related to any of his philosophical or ideological arguments.

I'd say him vs. one of those fake-leftists would be an equal flounder on both parties, since they'd be both talking nonsense hysterics and inferences ("OH SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THIS"), whereas in a clear straight discussion about any of the topics he's raised his reasoning is pretty paper-thin. Appeals to emotional feel-good 'ethos' (i.e. traditionalism) (see: pathos and ethos vs. logos) being the easiest to spot.

I think we all agree he was abused in his first press interview (and subsequent yellow journalism), but because we acknowledge this doesn't mean we need to agree with anything he actually said or not, moreso we might be inclined in error - based entirely upon his victim status - to go from sympathizing wit him to sympathizing with everything else he's said or is said to have said.

That's a consequence of the poor practice of the Press (or 'proxy intelligentsia' lol rofl to call them that); where the opposite is achieved by their relentless 24/7 smear campaigns, e.g. Donald Trump got elected because of it.


>>20914471
no response to this? >>20915003
>>>by "great crimes" and "not do bad things" you mean saying something people disagree with.
>i'm talking about war crimes and financial crimes, dumb-dumb.
:) just a little "oh i see what you mean" would be gentlemanly.

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>>20916652
>The legalism of the Pharisees.
Hardly

[Anonymous No.20917101]

There was a man who loved clean dick
And tales of dreams of grandma pussy
The mind of a gamer, twisted and sick
Wow, he's literally me

[Anonymous No.20917455]

>bad interpretation of Jung
>bad interpretation of Eliade
>dude god is dead lmao but lets seek warmth and comfort is his rotten corpse
>basic bitch airport selfhelp tips
>benzo'd out of his mind

[Anonymous No.20917606]

>>20917455
>but lets seek warmth and comfort is his rotten corpse

[Anonymous No.20917608]

>>20899590
>MAKE YOUR BED
>WASH YOUR BALLS
>>20899605
fpbp

[Anonymous No.20917625]

>>20899590
He's a mentally ill drug addict who makes angry young men complacent with the state of the critically fucked world by telling them to clean their rooms.

[Anonymous No.20917691]

>>20899744
>Everyone who slanders the prophet must be a leftist!
go back to >>>/pol/