Psychoanalysis / Psychology charts

[Anonymous No.20605130]

Hey /lit/, so I mainly read philosophy, along with classics, mythology, maybe some self-help book here and there even if I know they're mostly memes. Recently I got a strong desire to dive into psychoanalysis (starting from Freud, then Jung), but I wanted to see if there's any more in-depth charts that showcase the reading order. I've checked the sticky but I didn't find anything strictly focused on Psychoanalysis / Psychology.

I'd appreciate it if you could help me with some charts or sources in case you have any and maybe some other anons have this curiosity as well. Thanks.

[Anonymous No.20605283]

>>20605130
I haven't got any charts, but depends on what you are looking for in reading psych

Probably the most important thing to remember is that psychoanalysis is essentially a different field from psychology. Contemporary psychology still borrows some ideas from psychoanalysis, but it tries to maintain a scientific approach so a lot of psychoanalysis gets rejected due to not being testable/falsifiable etc.

So I'm going to cop out a bit and say it depends on what you want. If you want to read the main ideas of psychoanalysis you can just read like Freud>Jung>Lacan'. There are heaps of other analysts but a lot of the major ideas stem from these three and how each of them conceptualise the unconscious. Then you could branch out from those depending on which aspects caught your fancy, i.e. you might read Zizek or Guattari after Lacan.

[Anonymous No.20605312]

>>20605130
>>20605283
Psychology is a lot more diverse than analysis so it is hard to know how to suggest where to start with it, and a lot of psychology can honestly be pretty boring/underwhelming to read.

In general, you could read the big figures of each discipline; Skinner for Behaviourism, Piaget for Developmental psych, etc., but they have had so much theory built on top of them by now its probably worth reading contemporary sources which have tested their theories, kept the relevant ones and discarded the others. It is important to keep in mind that psychology aims to build knowledge like a science rather than view phenomena through a certain paradigm like analysis. For better or for worse.

If you aren't studying psychology and just want some more general books to read check the following and see if any of the descriptions strike your fancy:
The neuroscience of psychotherapy: Healing the social brain (Louis Cozolino)
The man who mistook his wife for a hat (Oliver Sacks)
Anthropologist on mars (Oliver Sacks)
The expectation effect (David Robson)
Full catastrophe living (Jon Kabat-Zinn)
101 stories healing stories: Using metaphors in therapy (George Burns)

[Anonymous No.20605359]

>>20605283

Hey,

Thanks for replying. The three I had in mind for psychoanalysis were as you said Freud>Jung>Lacan, but I felt that the list is too short and I thought that maybe there might be some other key figures that I'm missing out on, which is why I made this thread.

Maybe I wasn't very specific in what I want: as you pointed out, I'm pretty interested in the unconscious, dreaming and learning to identify the root causes of anxiety, depression, nervousness, etc in order to deal with the root causes myself. I kind of want to apply them on myself as well as become generally more knowledgeable about the domain since I feel that it helps a lot to recognize patters in other people's behaviour in order to understand them better.

So in that regard, I might want to branch out on behaviourism, but still related to negative mental patterns and positive ones which can reinforce a genuine change in one's life. I see you mentioned Skinner here >>20605312, I will give it a look. I've also asked some psychology friend I have but didn't talk to since a lot of time to see what curriculum they have to get some bibliography.

The bottom line though is that I'm pretty fascinated with the unconscious mental processes we might have and less with the cold, scientific approach (I've read in this sense Daniel Kahneman's "Thinking fast and slow" which is this kinda of psychology with a lot of statistics and social experiments. I don't mean to say it was useless, but it was definitely dry or underwhelming as you say it).

Thanks for taking your time to reply, I'll check them out and try to start with Freud/Jung/Lacan's work then branch out depending on what else piques my interest.

[Anonymous No.20605421]

>>20605359
That is all good, I am sorry I couldn't provide much more but it sounds like you are on the right track and it is good you have an idea of what you want.

I would say that personally I found Jung the most life-affirming out of the three whereas Lacan can send you into an existential spin but can also be incredibly empowering. The point of difference between the two being that Jung feels we should search for our true self, whereas Lacan believes any conception of a true self is an illusion.

Based on your comment about behaviourism and thought patterns, and wanting to achieve positive change, it could be worthwhile reading up on certain forms of therapy. For example, Cognitive Behavioural Therapy focuses on using behavioural concepts to restructure the way you think, whereas something like Acceptance and Commitment Therapy helps with learning to live with difficult thoughts by disconnecting the emotions from the thoughts and recognising that the thoughts are just thoughts.
Again, it is difficult to recommend books for these because you mostly encounter them in textbooks and journal articles etc., but you can probably find some tools and techniques in a few different places on the internet. Think of the tools/techniques as ways of enacting the cognitive change so to speak, but really you decide what it changes to which you can draw upon from anything you have learned.

Best of luck and enjoy your reading

[Anonymous No.20605424]

Anything else like picrel?

[Anonymous No.20605431]

>>20605421
>>20605359
If you want a very general overview of therapies etc, an easy to read introductory textbook is: An Introduction to Counselling and Psychotherapy by Andrew Reeves
I can imagine you could probably find a free pdf somewhere at least. Its not really a how-to guide for therapies, but gives a general overview of the most prominent forms and how they might work.

[Anonymous No.20605436]

>>20605130
>Man & His Symbols
https://files.catbox.moe/t4xu8n.pdf

>Symbols of Transformation
https://files.catbox.moe/nhr2jg.pdf

>Aion
https://files.catbox.moe/7e3vv5.pdf

I wouldn't bother with Frued, since he's kind of a charlatan.

[Anonymous No.20605444]

>>20605421

Thanks again. I've started going to therapy (to be honest the breaking point was that I fucked up with a woman I really liked and with which I had a strong connection - due to my insecurities, anxiousness, seeking reassurance, etc), but I had just 2 meetings so far. I feel that I could speed up the process if I would read some stuff by myself in order to understand myself better, yet I also feel like this could maybe sabotage my therapeutic relationship since I learn the "tricks" (I'm already a pretty perceptive person, getting more familiar with the therapeutic practices might just enhance my ability to detect what my therapist is doing and play around it automatically as a defense mechanism - this is why it might be a risk). I also seek to attach less to women I really like, to stop being impulsive in this sense, anyway.

There's work to do and I hope I'll make a lot of progress soon. Have a nice day :D

>>20605424

Not sure what to recommend exactly as a book, but you might try to search on Freud/Jung interpretation of dreams? I know Jung noted down his dreams and sought to interpret them, not sure if Lacan did any of this. Freud has a book called "Interpretation of Dreams", yet he was at a starting point in this... field... if you could call it that so I wouldn't expect very accurate information, thought it might help knowing the fundamentals.

[Anonymous No.20605461]

>>20605431

I'll note it down, thanks.

>>20605436

Will give these a look too, thanks. I know Freud isn't that accurate, but he founded psychoanalysis so I wouldn't judge him too much since his work just set the direction on which others started to build upon. I cannot imagine how difficult it must be to start a new field (or branch) from scratch.

To be honest what piqued my interest initially was Freud's work, I never had much interest in psychology / psychoanalysis, but then I've read some introductory work to Freud and found out that a lot was pretty approachable and interesting.