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[Anonymous No.19108477]

Is asceticism the biggest cope ever invented?

Coping philosopher: only through self discipline and denial can you achieve true enlightenment

meanwhile chad: shotgunning beers on expensive yachts while fucking your oneitis

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[Anonymous No.19108497]

i'm better looking than this kid and also 6'2. i've fasted 17days so far in september, havent showered in a month, spent 3 years sleeping on the floor, don't have a single friend. you literally cannot be a fully realized person living like that kid.

[Anonymous No.19108511]

Well if the ascetic truly believes it then he won't care what Chad is doing Then they will both die and none of it will matter. Maybe it is a cope but what is lost?

[Anonymous No.19108541]

>>19108477
>Why, yes, I don't in fact know what desire for fleshly pleasure is. How did you know?

[Anonymous No.19108548]

>>19108511
>Then they will both die and none of it will matter.
If the ascetic will die and his life won’t matter regardless, then why not at least try to live a life of indulgence and pleasure, what does he have to lose?

[Anonymous No.19108555]

>>19108548
>what does he have to lose?
his dignity. its a thing some people have, you wouldn't get it.

[Anonymous No.19108563]

>>19108548
>why not at least try to live a life of indulgence and pleasure, what does he have to lose?
Is the desire to transcend base animal desires so foreign to you? Why is self control such an alien concept to people today?

[Anonymous No.19108571]

>>19108548
>what does he have to lose?
Some ascetics already did that earlier in life and found that unsatisfying, some of them do pursue hedonism, adventure or raising a family for long periods of time and later become ascetics when much older, others start earlier in life.

[Anonymous No.19108580]

>>19108555
>his dignity
How does getting drunk and having sex with hot girls make you lose your dignity?

> Is the desire to transcend base animal desires so foreign to you? Why is self control such an alien concept to people today?
It’s not alien to me, it’s just impossible for most people. Anyways we are just animals. Why should we try to deny our animal nature. To be an ascetic is to be anti-human.

[Anonymous No.19108589]

>>19108580
>anti-human
Good. I hate humanity.

[Anonymous No.19108591]

>Is the desire to transcend base animal desires so foreign to you?
It's like transhumanisn, you don't transcend anything, you just mortify yourself/replace yourself (in transhumanism's case) to weaken the "base animal desires" you despise so much, rather than using them to their fullest potential (and using them well, not prodigally, if you are so driven). It's just a tiredness of life

[Anonymous No.19108592]

>>19108477
>chad: shotgunning beers on expensive yachts while fucking your oneitis
Hedonism is like a drug. It feels good but quickly wears off and you constantly need a bigger hit to get the same dose.

[Anonymous No.19108595]

>>19108477
Asceticism can be a cope. It's a cope if you're doing it because you're a lost soul and you need to something to cope with your life. It's not a cope if it's authentic and you really have no worldy desires. The tiktokers you posted probably are happy and I wish them the best but they're low IQ. The women are likely to be whores that you wouldn't want to converse with for a second and the men need the women and drugs to exist without having a crisis. The Chad's I envy are intellectual Chad's. I envy Saul Kripke over this tiktoker.

[Anonymous No.19108609]

Holy fuck you fags are so insecure
>>19107453

[Anonymous No.19108616]

>>19108477
Nietzsche has a beautiful passage about the value of ascetism for the philosopher in genealogy of morals

[Anonymous No.19108623]

>>19108477
Dude looks like the most shallow person ever.

[Anonymous No.19108624]

>>19108580
>How does getting drunk and having sex with hot girls make you lose your dignity?
it doesn't. you only do that shit if you have no dignity in the first place

[Anonymous No.19108629]

>>19108477
That’s a young man’s game. I’m sure some of you are coping and seething but shit like that is fun to do while young.
But you need to realize that some day you will be old. Some day soon. And then doing this shit is not very cool, and in fact incredibly sad and weird.

[Anonymous No.19108646]

>>19108629
>But you need to realize that some day you will be old. Some day soon. And then doing this shit is not very cool, and in fact incredibly sad and weird.
Not for everyone

[Anonymous No.19108647]

>>19108592
>>19108623
>>19108624
Cope

[Anonymous No.19108656]

>>19108646
>Not for everyone
The Epstein jokes are funny for two seconds until you remember he was torturing little kids in dentist chairs.

[Anonymous No.19108660]

The thing incels can't cope with it is that it's possible to be both rich, attractive, and high IQ. It's actually very likely based on the statistics. This guy could easily be going to Harvard and reading Kant and then you would have no response.

[Anonymous No.19108663]

>>19108629
Naturally, the best things in life will decrease in comeliness and value when performed by a decrepit, deathly man. Let's not reform our moralities around anticipating or giving that time unnatural graces. Then, even the youthful and healthy will have to give up their qualities to accord with the unhealthy and pain-escapists.

[Anonymous No.19108675]

>>19108660
Hemingway apparently only cared about fucking and killing

[Anonymous No.19108677]

>>19108646
Epstein wasnt just ripping shots on a yacht. He was an intelligence asset running a blackmail ring compromising elites. Way cooler than this tik tok star who will soon be a just fat alcoholic

[Anonymous No.19108690]

>>19108663
>the best things in life will decrease in comeliness and value when performed by a decrepit, deathly man
Wrong. This shit gets lame before you hit 30. Compare this dude to insecure tryhard faggots like Dan Blitzaryan.

[Anonymous No.19108697]

>>19108660
Yeah, but those kinds of people end up joining fraternities, and eating menstrual wafers, getting sodomized, and losing their soul just to rule over the more humble proles.

[Anonymous No.19108700]

>>19108647
not an argument

[Anonymous No.19108709]

>>19108477
you've posted this before. have you NOTHING better to do, incel?

[Anonymous No.19108732]

>>19108690
I guess it wasn't clear what "this shit" meant, but it's my fault because I didn't read OP (I don't give my time to homosexuals).

Yeah, it's unbecoming to a thirty year old man in our decent conception of him, but it also depends on the man. Nothing wrong with banging your wife/love of your life on a yacht while supping on some brewskis. The only issue is alcoholism, adultery, and greed, unless prodigality is your goal. Doesn't mean you should subjugate all of your discipline to serve the church, either.

[Anonymous No.19108763]

>>19108477
The ascetic is a kind of hedonist looking for the best possible life. When you increase your pleasures, the small things in life become less pleasurable and you become more prone to depression, i.e. the highs become higher and the lows become lower/more frequent. For the ascetic the small things in life are very pleasure and the lows become less frequent. They both amount to nothing.

[Anonymous No.19108773]

>>19108709
It's a slide thread.

[Anonymous No.19108783]

>>19108763
Indeed, it's simply a mortification and abstinence designed to increase sensitivity to pleasure by contrast. And of course, they must flee to the desert to properly be ascetics. Too much beauty in nature, too much temptation!

[Anonymous No.19108880]

sour grapes + acceptance = ascetic

[Anonymous No.19108914]

>ascetics

This is a bullshit Christian or Stoic cope and extremist and sad view to life. Just follow the examples of Ancient Greek(Plato and Socrates) and find the Middle Way.

Death to Christians and Stoics. You will never be more dignified and glorious than Ancient Greeks .

[Anonymous No.19109053]

>>19108477
I sincerely don't want any of this. I never did. I justed wanted a wife and to live in a decent community.
There is nothing appealing about this. Does that make me ascetic? I don't think so. I'm just not a hedonist. Is it really either/or?

[Anonymous No.19109105]

>>19108592
This. Is the frat bro happier than the ascetic who has truly mastered himself? Probably not. It doesn't matter that his life literally couldn't get better. Sensual pleasures wear off fast. Psychological fulfillments wear off fast. Human beings are constantly pursuing something greater, and losing their grasp on the satisfaction they once had. It's inevitable. Ascetics have realized this, and have learned to be content (or else be equanimous) with the bare minimum. The Buddha had all the delights of the world at his fingertips and realized none of it mattered.

[Anonymous No.19109123]

>>19108548
What does he have to gain? FUcking girls and getting drunk is good because ... it just is ok

[Anonymous No.19109131]

>>19109123
why do incels think sex will solve all their problems? you still have to worry about your health, finances, loved ones, etc. life still goes on after puttingyour cock in the nice warm hole. what is wrong with them? why are they so dumb?

[Anonymous No.19109144]

>>19108548
Perusing pleasure is what everyone does. Even the trad larper who pretends to be superior compared to normies gets some sense of pleasure from his ideology. You won’t gain anything through abstaining from pleasure, same way you won’t get anything by abusing your body to experience more pleasure. Just do whatever you want to do and most importantly be HONEST about what you want, you don’t need approval about the “righteous path” from a bunch of lost people on 4chan

[Anonymous No.19109177]

>>19108477
Read Ecclesiastes. Also, Glass Animals is good taste in party music.

[Anonymous No.19109469]

>>19108477
Everything is a cope you disgusting fucking brainlet and there's nothing wrong with it, suffering exists and every single living thing is trying to avoid it, kys.

[Anonymous No.19109509]

>>19109144
Dude just come out and stop spamming the board with garbage