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[Anonymous No.18370210]

Any progress on your novels?

Previous thread:>>18363862

For Prose:
>The Art of Fiction
>Story Genius: How to Use Brain Science to Go Beyond Outlining and Write a Riveting Novel (Before You Waste Three Years Writing 327 Pages That Go Nowhere)
>On Becoming A Novelist
>Writing Fiction: A Guide to Narrative Craft
>How Fiction Works
>The Rhetoric of Fiction
>Steering the Craft
>On Writing, Borges

For Poetry:
>The Poetry Home Repair Manual
>Western Wind: An Introduction to Poetry
>This Craft of Verse, Borges

Related Material:
>What Editors Do
>A Student's Introduction to English Grammar
>Garner's Modern English Usage

Suggested books on storytelling:
>The Weekend Novelist
>Aristotle's Poetics
>Hero With a Thousand Faces
>Romance the Beat

Suggested books on getting your fucking work done you lazy piece of shit:
>Deep Work
>Atomic Habits

Traditional publishing
> Formatting manuscript
https://blog.reedsy.com/manuscript-format/
> Write a query
https://www.janefriedman.com/query-letters/
> Track your query
https://querytracker.net/

Other Resources
>General grammar/syntax/editing help
https://owl.purdue.edu/owl/purdue_owl.html
> When/where/how should I write?
https://jamesclear.com/daily-routines-writers
> What software should I write with?
https://self-publishingschool.com/book-writing-software-best/
> Amazon Publishing to make that KDP monie
https://kdp.amazon.com/en_US/help/topic/G200635650
> Be like Charles Dickens and write serially
https://www.royalroad.com/
> Basic overview of the Screenplay format
https://screenwriting.info/

[Anonymous No.18370243]

>>18370210
Does this general have a discord?

[Anonymous No.18370320]

>>18370243
Does the general have a gay actor Michael Douglas?

[Anonymous No.18370362]

>>18370320
yes, i'm here

[Anonymous No.18370394]

https://youtu.be/nDtC7tN9PBk

https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/37998/wish-mountain

[Anonymous No.18370706]

>>18370394
BOOBS, BREASTS TIDDY, OH MY GOD I LOVE BIG FAT KNOCKERS IN MY COVER ART

[Anonymous No.18370731]

>>18370706
>not being a tit man

[Anonymous No.18370732]

>>18370210
I'm going to ask again but you guys never reply. Any tips on writing short stories? Any books that will help me with structuring short stories etc?

[Anonymous No.18370832]

Working on a sci-fi thing that makes heavy use of AIs.
Right now I'm noticing a problem. We already have the tech to make holograms irl, but because you can't project something three-dimensional otherwise, they're constrained to these cloggy glass cages, which are very impractical as they get in the way, they use up space wherever they're used and for anything complicated like a console or graphs or browsing texts, they have to work themselves around to emulating flat displays.

So realistically wouldn't a futuristic civilization just spare itself the headache and use flat screens for everything?

[Anonymous No.18370859]

>>18370732
Go read a bunch of short stories. Get a notebook where you write your outline as you think of ideas. Put your character bios in there. Spend several days on the background and outline of your story, then when you go to write it you know exactly where you're going with it.

With regard to reading books that help with structuring short stories—these may help, but you may simply be better off attempting to do it rather than reading about it. Reading about it may just trick you into thinking you're doing something about it when you actually aren't. The secret to getting good at doing a thing is to do the thing.

[Anonymous No.18370884]

>>18370210
Making progress on my next book of poetry, meanwhile writing poems about Pride Month:

'Pride month'

Faggots are so insufferable
the certainty is inexorable
that someone, somewhere will decide
they can and will extinguish pride
from power pylon, scaffold, roof
or lofty window, perched aloof,
awaiting the best time to strike
while lining up their sights on dyke
with shaven pate or dyed of hair
as she parades across the square,
or looking down at gross physiques
of pedo bears and tranny freaks,
taking aim at loathsome fags
from high above the rainbow flags
they have no reason to exist
until that puff of pinkish mist
appears to let one know for sure
for faggotry exists one cure.
waiting and watching, on the hunt
June really is the funnest month.

[Anonymous No.18370909]

>>18370884
stop shilling your autism

[Anonymous No.18370923]

>>18370909
I'm a published poet, dicklet.
Not self-published, published, as in I've got a publisher and an editor.
Seethe and cope

[Anonymous No.18370983]

>>18370832
Is your sci-fi intended to realistically predict the future or capture a sci-fi aesthetic? Time travel, for example, might be impossible but it's still "sci-fi" and not fantasy. If it's the latter you're going for, then I see no problem with holograms however you want.

[Anonymous No.18370989]

>>18370923
>Published on 4channel.org
>The /lit/ janny is my editor
He does it for free.

[Anonymous No.18370997]

>>18370923
>editor for poetry
Are you talking about your psychiatrist lmao

[Anonymous No.18370998]

>>18370923
How are you sales going retard?

[Anonymous No.18371000]

>>18370983
Most of it is parody bordering on absurdism, but it should follow the former approach.

[Anonymous No.18371024]

>>18370923
>I've got a publisher and an editor
the voices in your head? take your medicine.

[Anonymous No.18371027]

>>18370832
I wouldn’t worry about it, no one would bat an eye as it’s such a staple. Authors with degrees in the sciences make use of it in their ‘hard sci-fi’ work so why shouldn’t you. It’s an aesthetic choice.

[Anonymous No.18371031]

>>18370909
I liked the poem. You're probably just a humorless Zoomer with scrambled eggs for brains.

[Anonymous No.18371077]

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[Anonymous No.18371116]

>>18370989
>>18370997
>>18371024
Looks like I struck a nerve lol

>>18370998
Fine, but I have a fulltime office job where I get to do things like write poetry and shitpost on 4chan in my spare time, so it's no biggie.
I'm mainly about Goodreads reviews, and all of mine are 4.5+ stars

How's failure going, faggots?

[Anonymous No.18371133]

>>18370923
>gets one thing printed in &amp and suddenly he’s “published”

[Anonymous No.18371142]

Testing.. might still be banned

[Anonymous No.18371146]

>>18371132
Go white knight for faggots and trannies some more. Maybe Megan the fat feminist in your undergraduate psych class will touch your peepee then.

[Anonymous No.18371163]

When we leave town the first thing we pass is a sign that says

WAWA 212

THUNDER BAY 758

That, and abandoned motels. Their parking lots have weeded over, their windows glassless. Stolen or shattered. We pass one, then the next. Birds flee from their eaves. Entire rooms with their ceilings caved in, collapsed under a weight we cannot see. Their furniture looted, hauled in the backs of trucks long gone. Metal and wires and rubble piled high, left to rot on the roadside. Sheet metal peeling from the roofs. Phone booths gutted. Their walls tagged up and graffitied. The destitution is made graver by a pastel blue sky above. That it’s twenty-four degrees out with a little breeze that cuts through and keeps the sunscreen from melting off our faces. We feel alive in a world that looks like it’s been dead forever.

We climb hills, we descend hills as straight as arrows. We can smell the great lake on our way up the hills, only to find more hills when we eventually crest them. But none of that matters. Because we’re in the middle of a miracle. My knees don’t hurt. There’s no pain. For the first time since yesterday's interview I feel capable.

A gas bar appears on the left. Its sign is still intact, and a couple of trucks sit in the unpaved parking lot with their engines running. The guy working the checkout is a large Indigenous man wearing a fitted Yankees cap with the sticker still on the brim. Behind him are boxes of fireworks so old and faded that I can’t read their labels.

I head outside and toss Ben a pack of smokes and a box of candied chocolate.

"Consider the chocolate interest.”

“You’re starting to grow some facial hair there, eh buddy,” Ben says.

“Fuckin’ hate it.”

“Doesn't look bad, man. You got a little patina on you now. You're finally looking like a man.” Ben ashes his smoke on the gravel at our feet. “And these hills are no place for boys.”

“True,” I sigh. “The beard adds at least one hundred watts of energy output. I think I remember that from Mr. Scholl's physics class.”

“Didn't you fail that?”

“Almost.”

“I never said beard, by the way,” Ben says. “It's more like a nose caterpillar and chin ‘stache.”
“Shut up, man.”

“You're not allowed to shave, you know that right?”

“The whole tour?”

“The whole tour. Both of us, let's grow them out.”

“I'm down,” I laugh. “It's going to get so gnarly. There's a reason I've never grown it out longer than a week.”

I feel the sun sear my face.

“We should've just done a spin class instead. Less UV damage, and it's more accessible. Could've been a whole thing. I can see it now: Fifteen spin classes for mental health research.”
“More like fifteen hundred.”

“Fuck,” I laugh. “That would literally give me mental illness.”

“We would become the subjects of mental health research.”

An SUV pulls in from the highway.

[Anonymous No.18371164]

>this thread

[Anonymous No.18371178]

>>18371163
For context, this is a random excerpt from my novel about a cross-country bike ride I did with a friend of mine a couple summers back. It was for mental health, which is a recurring theme in the novel and it comes up in conversation here.

[Anonymous No.18371274]

>>18371116
you gonna tell me more about your larp? you can have this (You)

[Anonymous No.18371344]

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[Anonymous No.18371352]

>>18370732
You want your characters to be quickly definable. Since it's short you don't have time to slowly explore each fasict of their personalities. This usually lead to short story characters being pretty one dimensional and strong in their presences. That's fine though, you're not using them past the next 5k words anyway.

[Anonymous No.18371384]

>>18371274
Feels good to have haters.

[Anonymous No.18371575]

>>18371384
I’m gay

[Gaskun !!LKQ0Koj4uFz No.18371645]

>>18370923
“Seethe and cope” good lord, the Reddit trash is flowing deep today.

[Anonymous No.18371689]

>>18371178
Is this your first draft?

[Anonymous No.18371736]

>>18371116
Kek, good for you. Enjoy the bitter (you)s, Anon.

[Anonymous No.18371746]

>>18371689
Yeah, basically. Why, that bad?

[Anonymous No.18371770]

>>18371163
> We climb hills, we descend hills as straight as arrows. We can smell the great lake on our way up the hills, only to find more hills when we eventually crest them.
A lot of this reads really rough. The opening paragraph is particularly jagged. It looks like you’re using the shorter sentence fragments as a stylistic choice but too much and you start interrupting the rhythm of the writing. The dialogue isn’t too bad, they’re buddies on trip trying to enjoy themselves but what they’re talking about doesn’t have any substance. It just feels like fluff, like you’d be able to remove 99% of it and there would be no information missed at all.

[Anonymous No.18371781]

Tiff had to be careful with her rubber gloves, lest she slip off the greasy ladder rungs. Her protective suit was toxic green, several sizes too big, and painfully chafed the skin in her joints. Suits in large and extra large dangled from the ceiling in the municipal utilities magazine, but nothing in women's sizes. Tiff carefully fumbled the tangled rubber from her crotch. The maneuver was dangerous, but it couldn't be helped. She continued her descent after some tugging around. Her equipment consisted of her oversized rubber suit, the multifunctional belt and a waterproof backpack containing, among other things, a GPS device for measuring the tunnel passages.

Rung by rung down into the darkness. With oversized gloves and oversized boots. Soon the pinching began again. Bog smell filled her nose, the stench of stale brown water. She felt as if she had been climbing into the depths for half an eternity. How much farther down could it be? She refrained from unhooking the flashlight from her multifunction belt, shining it towards the bottom. Her hands were getting tired and who knows if there wasn't still a good bit of a drop. Why risk a fall then.

[Anonymous No.18371786]

>>18371770
Yeah, the fragments are stylistic. Alright, I'll consider toning it down and seeing how that works. The manuscript is already at 70k+ words and I'm about halfway through, so I guess I should cut back on the dialogue. But early feedback from other published authors leads me to believe that the "regular guys shooting the shit" aspect of the story is half the appeal. People want to hear Ben and I fucking around, from what it seems. Like want to know our personalities. They don't mind that it's not war and peace we're discussing. I'll note your objection, however. Thank you.

[Anonymous No.18371815]

poop in my jeans
poop in my genes
what does it mean?
fecal obscene

piss on my face
piss on my race
back and forth, back and forth
piss I can trace


Thoughts?

[Anonymous No.18371822]

>>18370210
is it possible to delete a comment?

[Anonymous No.18371829]

>>18371822
respond to the post with “DELET THIS” in all fields

[Anonymous No.18371840]

>>18371645
What could be more reddit than a trip?

[Anonymous No.18371842]

In my dream an Asian man in a suit blew his head off in a moonlit penthouse. Instead of a geyser of blood money came out of his neckhole like confetti. He lay lifeless on the ground, money about him like a dead GTA hooker. I don’t remember the rest.
I remember more. He was fighting another man but turned the gun on himself. Then everything went topsy turvy. I don’t know what any of it meant, if it meant anything at all.
It’s midnight on Christmas eve and my birthday is over. Me and Toby were both born on the 23rd and throw a party together every year. Yesterday we turned 20. A year closer to joining the worms and the weak, though I'm too coked up to be morose and my next line stretches from the notched bezel of my iphone X to the under-screen fingerprint reader.

I’ve never met a Somali who does coke.

Yeah, who are you again? One of Toby’s mates?

I'm Tyrie, nice to meet you

Tyrie is tall like I am so we’re at eye level though I'm rail thin and she’s well-built and she’s a transexual but doesn’t pass at all which isn’t what makes me feel uneasy but

Mia comes out of the bathroom and I stare at her. Making her way past the Christmas tree adorned with rouge baubles the colour of her Vera Wang dress, she descends down the winding stairs, placing one stiletto before the other tentatively, hand on the banister keeping her upright. Her unsteady gait a consequence of snorting enough ketamine to sedate a Rhino. She makes it to the bar and pours another champaign – her third or fourth in the last hour. Mia took my virginity two years ago at the end of summer before I went away to Mcgill.

None of your friends Somali or something? We’re the only Black people in this rich ass party.

This is my party actually, half mine anyway. Certain friend groups should be separate, like Church and State. This wouldn’t be their scene.

You ever robotripped?

Don’t know what that is.

DXM. I nabbed it from Shoppers, I work there.

Which one?

[Anonymous No.18371853]

>>18371842
The one in Oakville, fucking ages away.

I’ll try anything once, but hang on, I need to find toby he has my Xanax.

I get away from the stranger

Toby’s parents are away skiing in Whistler so he has their downtown condo on Bloor Street to himself from now until the New Year. It’s snowing hard and I'm coming down so I take a bump and resolve myself to finding my xans, I mean Toby. Maybe he’s upstairs. I make my way through the crowd, up the stairs and begin to follow the music, Perky’s Calling emanates from one of the bedrooms and he’s probably in there but I pass it and go into his sisters' room instead. Taylor’s away in NYC with her boyfriend so I root around her room, I don’t know why, until my eyes are drawn to her hamper. I lift the mesh top and rummage through the pyjama pants and old socks until I find her bunched panties. I unfurl them and find where her pussy must have been pressed. I put them to my nose but they smell like detergent. I search deeper, discarding socks and faded tees until I find a grey pair with a small pink ribbon on the front stained with yellow discharge. I inhale deep and despite the coke blood rushes to my cock and I'm almost instantly hard. I lap at the underwear and taste her then rub my precum on the stain and hang them off my bulging dick. I waddle across the room, pants around my ankles, panties hanging off my erection, looking for lotion, when the door opens and my racing heart almost bursts.

Mia comes in alone and sees what I'm doing. Without a word she removes her heels. She hikes her dress up and reveals her frilly Victorias Secret underwear the same shade of red as her dress and the bottoms of her heels and the Christmas baubles. She runs her manicured hand over her pussy and shimmies out of her panties, throwing them at the ground before me. She turns the lock behind her then leans against the door and slides down until she’s on the floor. Mia spreads her legs for me and rubs her clit in circles. I pick up her underwear and inhale deep, Taylors’ panties still hang off my cock, which at this point is harder than I think I’ve ever seen it. I close my eyes and draw deep breathes and mutter incoherently.

You still love me? love me, please baby

Mia’s moaning now and starts whimpering Fuck me please but I keep inhaling and rubbing my cock until I finally open my eyes and she’s so beautiful in the pastel Christmas light, the arches of her foot exquisite, her red bra against her pale porcelain skin, the whisps of her blonde hair, it’s all too much and sets me over the edge. I waddle to her and she raises her head and presents her tongue and I finish in her mouth.

[Anonymous No.18371857]

>>18370210
Do all novels need conflict?

[Anonymous No.18371864]

The only alive poets that I know are that nigress who spoke at Biden's inauguration and the Dutch femboy.

[Anonymous No.18371880]

>>18371857
They all need to be interesting. A conflict of interests/goals/etc is an easier way for that.

[Anonymous No.18371908]

>>18371746
>That, and abandoned motels. Their parking lots have weeded over, their windows glassless. Stolen or shattered. We pass one, then the next. Birds flee from their eaves. Entire rooms with their ceilings caved in, collapsed under a weight we cannot see. Their furniture looted, hauled in the backs of trucks long gone. Metal and wires and rubble piled high, left to rot on the roadside. Sheet metal peeling from the roofs. Phone booths gutted. Their walls tagged up and graffitied. The destitution is made graver by a pastel blue sky above. That it’s twenty-four degrees out with a little breeze that cuts through and keeps the sunscreen from melting off our faces. We feel alive in a world that looks like it’s been dead forever.

For a first draft it is alright. This paragraph just reads really jittery. Needs to flow better and maybe look at the descriptions more.

>Their parking lots have weeded over, their windows glassless. Stolen or shattered.
Maybe, 'Their parking lots now over grown with weeds. Windows hallow from either being shattered or stolen.' Using verb senses alone to describe things feels lazy like in weeded.

>collapsed under a weight we cannot see.
Why not 'collapsed under their own weight.' It is a phrase familiar to people.

>A gas bar appears on the left.
What is a gas bar? Like a gas station with a drinking bar?

There are other descriptions that could use work too. But to each his own.

[Anonymous No.18371918]

>>18371786
>People want to hear Ben and I fucking around, from what it seems. Like want to know our personalities.
You fucking self inserting? Seriously?

[Anonymous No.18371948]

>>18371857
Yes.

[Anonymous No.18371957]

>>18371918
It's autofiction. I rode my bicycle with Ben a couple of years ago across the country. This is a retelling of that adventure. I'm calling it a novel because it's dramatized (slightly).

[Anonymous No.18371959]

>visit old forum I used to be post in from 2009
>my fan fiction is still there

[Anonymous No.18371979]

>>18371908
Really? I've always really like the economy of language that retrofitting nouns as verbs (i.e., "weeded") affords. My favorite authors do it really well. It allows for more creativity and inventiveness with the language, and newer ways to describe an image in fewer words. If it doesn't work, then so be it. But I've shopped this draft around quite a bit (not this segment, however), and the verbified nouns are usually something enjoyed.

Gas bar is a gas station. A really small one with one pump sticking out of the ground. Maybe it's a backcountry Canada thing,

I say "collapsed under a weight we cannot see" because maybe there are more immaterial forces that caused the motel to collapse than merely the weight of its own roof.

[Anonymous No.18371989]

>>18371853

Shoutout to Oakville shopper's drug mart. I liked this from what I've read so far, refreshing change from what's typical here. Gonna take another look after my run

[Anonymous No.18372000]

>>18371989
thanks bro

[Anonymous No.18372016]

>>18370732
>Any tips on writing short stories?
Sit down and start writing, but not as much as you would if you were writing a novel.

[Anonymous No.18372053]

>>18371979
Not him but another problem with "weeded" is that it already has a meaning whis is the opposite of what you're using it for.

>weeded
>verb [ I or T ]
>to remove wild plants from a place where they are not wanted:
>I've been weeding (the vegetable garden).

[Anonymous No.18372062]

>>18371959
I'm too scared to look at the cringe that I wrote on fanfiction.net when I was a preteen

[Anonymous No.18372081]

>>18371979
>economy of language that retrofitting nouns as verbs
Yea I mean I'm not saying it can't work. Maybe it is the jittering that makes it feel ill placed in the first paragraph. If the flow is better it could work. I just think yli could paint a better picture than just saying weeded.

>Maybe it's a backcountry Canada thing
Sounds like it. I assumed that's what it was.

>because maybe there are more immaterial forces
Fair enough.

[Anonymous No.18372111]

>>18371957
Nothing wrong with autofiction, anon. Keep writing and don't let the auto hold you back from making the story more interesting.

[Anonymous No.18372160]

>>18371352
So it would be better to make the characters representations of ideas rather than a fully fleshed character that you'd see in a novel for example?

[Anonymous No.18372185]

>>18371959
>decade later there are still people commenting for a continuation.

[Anonymous No.18372192]

I stopped masurbating for pride month.

[Anonymous No.18372194]

>>18371959
>write a short fan fiction
>years later, think about deleting it
>account deleted due to inactivity
>no way to recover it
>the story will be there forever

[Anonymous No.18372213]

can someone give me some feedback?

[Anonymous No.18372221]

>>18372213
wow your story is great, I love its brevity

[Anonymous No.18372242]

>>18372213
*farts on your book*
It’s really a modern day classic.

[Anonymous No.18372269]

>>18372213
Didn't capitalize, 0/10

[Anonymous No.18372332]

As the whispering of the magician died away, Anne opened her eyes. The tower room in which she had just been standing was gone. And there was no longer any sign of the magician's wrinkled face. Anne had been transported to a strange place - a forest. But not a normal forest. Although Anne could feel the wind blowing, the leaves hung completely motionless from the trees. And what leaves they were: not round or star-shaped, but long and thin, like snakes or wet women's hair, wet red women's hair. Anne felt her heart pounding as the leaf snakes slowly began to turn, as if they were wearily lifting their heads - to look at her.

[Anonymous No.18372334]

>>18372269
stylistic choice

[Anonymous No.18372438]

>>18370732
Your first exercise is finishing one, finishing a good one comes later.

[Anonymous No.18372450]

>>18370210
what do you find is the hardest part of a story?

i've written a bit and know where it will go and end however i struggle with the middle, especially getting between the relative downtime

do you ever have this? the whole piece is effectively a character study of mother and daughter so i dont like the idea of action in *this* part

[Anonymous No.18372474]

>>18372450
>what do you find is the hardest part of a story?
The "boring" parts I would say. The downtime parts that actually matter and drive the story in between the cool 'action' chapters. Chapters with low conflict or don't seemingly matter at first but have the payoff later. Right now I'm at the tail end of a character's arc and she has very little in the way of action-just lots of talking and wrapping threads up. There are only ~6 chapters left before I wrap her up and move on to another character arc, but it seems so overwhelmingly.

[Anonymous No.18372557]

>>18372450
The start. I hate introducing characters.

[Anonymous No.18372640]

>>18370832
Why do your AI need visual representations in the first place? You're not writing a film where you need to rely on visual storytelling. Part of the appeal of AI is that they are intellects without bodies.

[Anonymous No.18372700]

>>18372450
I have difficulties with low action scenes too but even those usually only ever amount to 1k-2k words. It’s during the 2nd and 3rd draft where I really start to stress out because I’m constantly moving shit around/rewriting and then having to reconcile things in later chapters.

[Anonymous No.18372707]

>>18372450
Getting an idea to begin with.

[Anonymous No.18372716]

>>18372640
Brand recognition in most cases. In this case technically that reason isn't there, but it'd be a bit weird with all the other AIs having visual avatars and the one with the highest perms being a disembodied voice.

[Anonymous No.18372735]

INT. APARTMENTS. - EARLY MORNING.

Young guy in his 20's sitting infront of a computer in his underwear. We see his read eyes and eyebags. Empty Pepsi cans thrown around him. Poster of Paramore on his wall is scratched in breast areas of Hayley Williams.

We hear a knock on a door. It's his mom.

MOM: Honey i can hear you clicking those damn buttons. Have you slept?

Annoyed guy without looking at a door screams

GUY: FUCK OFF! IM GOING TO BE PICKED AS A CARRY FOR EVIL GENIUS! I AM A CYBERSPORT GUY YOU REMEMBER?

His mom sighs. We hear her stops slowly fading away.

[Anonymous No.18372755]

>>18372735
Write what's on your mind is that way

[Anonymous No.18372778]

>>18371959
I did some fan fiction for Dead by Daylight where I turned one of the killer characters into a survivor. I feel like I should continue the story but I'm already time starved as it is.
Got some really nice comments on it though so I released pages that I scrapped too as a thank you.

[Anonymous No.18372890]

>>18372450
Probably the planning phase. I have a set a plot points that I'd like to hit and then everything in between is more or less made up on the spot.

[Anonymous No.18373095]

>>18372735
This is the worst thing I've ever read.

[Anonymous No.18373207]

We were stranded in a strange forest, my friend and I. The storm had brought us there. It had caught us cold, I can tell you. It had grabbed our airship, whirled it around, tossed it up and down, and finally hurled it into the forest. There we sat, amidst the wreckage of our airship, my friend Jonas and I, crash-landed in the strange forest. Strange, yes, in fact, strange were only the trees. They looked as if they were made of glass. Actually, of course, they were made of wood, except that the wood of these trees was transparent. You could have seen right through to the other end of the forest, if it hadn't been for the crawlies. Chunky, sausage-like woodworms with full bellies (that looked a bit glassy), plump, fluttering butterflies in glorious colors, and to my horror, even a furry, ogling spider. But oh my! I had gotten caught in her web while falling down. And now she was crawling closer and closer, with her hairy crab legs, thinking I was a tasty morsel, which indeed I was. "Jonas! Jonas, where are you," I wanted to shout, my eyes closed in fear. But by then he was already fighting the spider. His sword spun through the air, defending against the giant poison fangs of the tarantula (only tarantulas could grow as big as humans).

[Anonymous No.18373504]

>>18370832
>screens
What's the point when AR glasses and later AR contact lenses/implants could do the same?
>>18371857
If you want anyone to read it? Yeah.
>>18372450
The ending. Not as much the rough plan when the story will end but the very scene and specially the ending of it, since it has to accomplish so much, and unlike with beginnings, there is no in-medias trick (well, cliffhangers kinda are but that's cheap)

[Anonymous No.18373694]

>>18373207
What the fuck is this

[Anonymous No.18373702]

>>18373207
Ungodly x-box huge paragrah.

[Gaskun !!LKQ0Koj4uFz No.18373803]

>>18371840
Youre only saying that because you’re new.

[Anonymous No.18373884]

>>18373207
Please learn middle school level formatting before posting

[Anonymous No.18373891]

>>18371842
k back from my run. I enjoyed this. I didn't like that you said "Rhino". Felt corny to me. Maybe just a "large animal" would do. It's spelled "champagne" (I think).

If you want to send me more for feedback I'd be down to swap stories. I'm also from TO. Won't be mention my email here cause of bots but it's listed on my homepage (liamhuntwrites [d.o.t] com)

[Anonymous No.18373925]

Chapter 33 released.
https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/40361/erased
Here's something I've been thinking about recently as I've been wrapping this thing up. Characters that exist for a certain period of time, but then they perform their expected task and then they're never seen again. Every book has them. How much closure is even necessary for all those loose ends? Or does that not even matter, and only add to worldbuilding flavor.

[Anonymous No.18373972]

Anyone else use musical notes to help them visualise a scene?
I feel this helps. I have a piano right next to me, and sometimes I stop writing and play a few notes to feel around for what sounds best for the scene. It helps that I kind of match each note with a colour.

[Anonymous No.18374002]

>>18373972
Sounds like you have a mental defect, like those people who when eating an apple hear the color yellow or feel the clarinet

[Anonymous No.18374012]

>>18373925
I don't get why what the guy said was clever or why the other guy was like, you said you wanted to do an interview now, guess I gotta do what you want lmao

> A slow nod. “You look very young, and you seem like you know more than you should, but I don't think you're lying. I can take you for a proper interview, if you want. They'll know for sure if what you're saying is true. Or, you can walk out that door right now, and not waste any of our time. Your choice.”

> “I'll do the interview now. Thank you.” His eyebrows climbing at my quick response, and then letting loose a belly laugh.

> “Now?” The man glancing at the door. “Shit, I guess I walked myself into that one. You better do good or we're both going to be in trouble. C'mon.” Beckoning me to follow.

[Anonymous No.18374038]

>>18374002
???

[Anonymous No.18374080]

>>18373972
>>18374038
you sound autistic as fuck

[Anonymous No.18374081]

>>18374012
insulting the statue is very stupid. but feeding the statue blood is clever. blood is one of that thing's favorite bodily fluids. and the MC requested an interview, so the guy offered assuming it wouldn't be taken because something seems off. and then when his bluff was called he was intrigued enough to do it.

[Anonymous No.18374083]

>>18374038
About 4 percent of the people on Earth experience a mysterious phenomenon called synesthesia: They hear a sound and automatically see a color; or, they read a certain word, and a specific hue enters their mind's eye. The condition has long puzzled scientists, but a small new study may offer some clues.

The study, published today (March 5) in the journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, offers insight into what might be happening in the brains of people with synesthesia.

Previous "studies of brain function using magnetic resonance imaging confirm that synesthesia is a real biological phenomenon," said senior study author Simon Fisher, director of the Max Planck Institute for Psycholinguistics in the Netherlands. For example, when people with synesthesia "hear" color, brain scans show that there's activity in the parts of the brain linked to both sight and sound, he said. Not all people with the condition "hear" sights, however; the condition can also link other senses.

https://www.livescience.com/61930-synesthesia-hear-colors-genes.html

[Anonymous No.18374084]

>>18374080
How?

[Anonymous No.18374091]

>>18374083
Oh wow, this is super interesting. I'll look into this.

[Anonymous No.18374115]

>>18374091
did you have no idea that normal people don't associate musical notes with colors? Sometimes I wonder if schizo or bipolar people know that they're schizo or bipolar, or do they think that they're normal and it's everyone else who is mentally defective

[Anonymous No.18374131]

>>18374115
>did you have no idea that normal people don't associate musical notes with colors?
No, I knew that already. I just didn't know there was a name for it. The reason I asked my original question is because I wanted to see if anyone else here was like me or approached writing with a similar mindset as me.
>schizo or bipolar
I'm not mentally ill dude. I'm not sure if this is a projection or what.

[Anonymous No.18374145]

How do you guys write terrible stuff to your characters? I'm trying to write crime and make my writing a little darker, but it grips my guts some to kill, rape or maim those main characters that I've come to love. Side characters are okay, but I can't get over doing this stuff to MCs and I think I need to.

[Anonymous No.18374154]

>>18374145
Are you raping your characters?

[Anonymous No.18374164]

>>18374154
Yes. It *is* important to the story. So I did some "research", reading other novels in which it happens, and frankly I have difficulty reading it let alone writing it. But I feel it is important for me to improve as a writer. Not just raping, but also permanently maiming and even killing.

[Anonymous No.18374166]

>>18374131
A lot of people listen to music to get into the mood of writing, but it's just music to them. I think it'd be hard or impossible for normal brained people to "color" musical notes the way you do

[Anonymous No.18374169]

>>18374145
>How do you guys write terrible stuff to your characters?
My characters deserve it.

[Anonymous No.18374170]

>>18374164
as long as it's sexy raping, maiming, and killing, it's ok

[Anonymous No.18374189]

>>18374145
By knowing terrible things will happen to the characters before I even start and making them assholes to compensate

[Anonymous No.18374206]

>>18374145
The bad events exist to make the tender moments between the characters all the more worthwhile

[Anonymous No.18374225]

>>18371781
>skin in her joints
nigga what

[Anonymous No.18374235]

Setting: comfy post-apocalyptic, think the Banished video game but with some ruins and solar panels and a car here or there. Nothing really violent, but a return to old ways kind of book.

Anyone read other books or seen other media like it? Been into researching 'trade' skills, jury rigging, farming etc and making a fictional how-to book of various stories in a not-so-bad end of the world.

[Anonymous No.18374388]

>>18374169
>My characters deserve it
>>18374189
>making them assholes to compensate
That's a cop-out, and not being fair

>>18374206
I know that's what we tell ourselves, but I can't. I dunno why. I can't finish an Epilogue and look back and feel it's worth it. What kind of payoff could possibly be worth such terrible things happening?

[Anonymous No.18374397]

>>18374145
>How do you guys write terrible stuff to your characters?
As their creative father, It's how I show my love.

[Anonymous No.18374402]

>>18374388
>That's a cop-out, and not being fair
????

Having your characters' mistakes or hamartia come back to ruin them is the by-the-books way of meaningfully fucking them over.

[Anonymous No.18374504]

>>18374145
best writer i ever met told me writing is all about killing your children. this applies to words (don't be afraid to delete what doesn't sound right and try again) and characters, ideas, etc.
kill you children anon.

[Anonymous No.18374514]

>>18374504
killing your children sounds like a terrible way to put it. it's more like you want your children to grow up right and that won't happen if you shelter them from hardship.

[Anonymous No.18374528]

>>18374514
nope. gotta kill 'em. good luck.

[Anonymous No.18374661]

>Writers block for a month
>Finally get idea for next section
>Seems completely obvious

[Anonymous No.18374682]

We really need to take the Retard Road link out of the OP and replace it with more tips for querying agents and using Submittable.

[Anonymous No.18374684]

How did you guys start writing?

I used to write fan fiction in high school which got me started with writing fiction.

[Anonymous No.18374695]

>>18374684
I was told I was good at it so I decided to do it more.

[Anonymous No.18374715]

>>18374684
I used to write sketches and makes youtube videos in high school, then did improv through college (kind like writing, all the best things I learned I learned from improv)
yes, I am pretty old :(

[Anonymous No.18374750]

>>18374684
>>18374695
This, I got a bunch of empty encouragement for how imaginative I was, floundered for years without actually understanding what the fuck made writing even good, then found 4chan and started to improve while writing monstergirl porn

[Anonymous No.18374751]

>>18374684
In 2007-2009 I was in some Naruto forum rps with some friends. Later in 2012-2014 I was in some Facepunch country roleplays for a while and did some short stories for my country here and there when I still played and for some time after I left. In 2016 I wrote the beginning draft to my story but I was depressed and didn't know where I wanted to go with it, so I quietly shelved it and spent the next couple years lost in worldbuilding hell. In mid-late 2019 I tried again, going in a different direction and started publishing the second draft the next year. I ended up having to scrap the draft yet again and started publishing a newer draft version instead. 280k words later and it's been doing good so far

[Anonymous No.18374779]

>>18374684
giantess interactives on writing.com when i was like 13

[Anonymous No.18374877]

Got a rather weird review from canada, but he still gave me 4 stars, so, I'll take it. Had to hire on two more voice actors for the youtube audio readings which is cool. Book 2 is on its 8th chapter while my Second series's first book is nearing completion.

[Anonymous No.18374909]

Ever since I made the switch from a membrane keyboard to a mechanical keyboard, my productivity increased drastically. Typing with a "clack-clack-clack" just makes things more receptive and fun, love it
>>18374877
>Had to hire on two more voice actors for the youtube audio readings which is cool.
What was this process like?

[Anonymous No.18374918]

>>18374909
I set up an audition on Behindthevoice actors and picked the competent ones that also sounded good. Pretty easy process. I pay them as much as i can as well, which keeps morale high. The hardest part is getting all the voice files and then editing them all together, balancing the levels, etc.

[Anonymous No.18375154]

>>18374684
I started writing fanffics. That were largely original so I remade them into originals after.

[Anonymous No.18375392]

Does anyone here have family members that are heavily invested in their work?
I'm about to write a part where the protagonist shares a trait with me (staying up to ungodly hours of the night) and I get all bashful because I know they're gonna laugh at me for it

[Anonymous No.18375406]

>>18375392
My mom has a masters in tech com. She’s the best editor I’ve ever met and she’s free. But I cringe every time I send her anything.

[Anonymous No.18375408]

>>18375392
I had a co-worker pry into what I write since revealing I'm writing a novel. I warned her the first chapter is extremely dark but I haven't seen her in 2 weeks though, so I have no idea what she thought of it so far. But a family member? Out of the question.

[Anonymous No.18375476]

>>18374682
> royalty rate for self-publishing: 30% to 70%, depending on platform, price, and format of book
> royalty rate for Patreon: 80% to 90% depending on processing fees

meanwhile
> royalty rate for traditional books: 5% to 10%, depending on how much some 24 year old who only got the job because her aunt works at a publishing house likes you

[Anonymous No.18375484]

>>18375392
I guess my mom is because she always wanted to be a writer but never bothered despite having all the time in the world, so she's living vicariously through me.

[Anonymous No.18375495]

>>18375484
She could easily publish drivel to Wattpad or even R*ddit. Or does she not consider that """real""" writing?

[Anonymous No.18375505]

>>18375495
It's the actual "sitting down and writing" part that she's never going to bother with. She'd be really glad to have a book finished and published, but she's not actually interested in the process itself.

[Anonymous No.18375532]

>>18375505
Sometimes I wish I had friends who would have a writing club with me. We'd sit in a treehouse or cafe or some shit, and talk together while writing a novel together. It'd make the lonely process of writing more enjoyable and social

[Anonymous No.18375535]

>>18375532
It used to be like that for me in middle-school
So many people gave up on their dreams in the 15 years since then

[Anonymous No.18375553]

>>18375532
Sometimes I wish I had friends that hung out on the regular with a drive to do anything. All my friends moved away after school and the pandemic hasn't helped. I want my life to be like Friends, not like Cheers, but right now it feels more like Frasier than anything else.

[Anonymous No.18375556]

>>18374684
In 5th grade I started making comics but quickly realized I was shit at drawing. Next I'd start putting together really rough screenplays and short stories. I stopped doing any sort of creative writing until college where my professor pulled my to the side and told me I should pursue writing. I was an EE major and decided to switch to English. He helped me out a lot and didn't even try to molest me. I actually placed in Writers of the Future a while back but haven't been able to get anything published since then.

[Anonymous No.18375591]

Despite RC Waldun writing the most cringe material, don't know if it's because of his poor English or poor writing skills, he and 3 other people have formed their own writing group. They sit in a restaurant and write novels together. ngl I'm jelly

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzAqf00sFII

[Anonymous No.18375598]

>>18375591
>60 page skeleton
>Skeleton for bones
>boner
>Pure Passion on paper
>Paper white skin
These guys are fucking for 6 hours straight and bragging about it.

[Anonymous No.18375651]

>>18375556
> He helped me out a lot and didn't even try to molest me
sounds like a top tier teacher, unironically. I know a guy who had a great professional mentor. Hired him straight out of college, put him on his team, dream job for a new graduate. But then all of a sudden, he quit the company and completely changed careers. I never asked him what happened, but that guy is gay and I'm 95% sure his boss was gay too. I hope he wasn't raped or anything, just wanted a lateral job move

[Anonymous No.18375724]

>>18375532
Jesus, don't write if you want to be "social"

[Anonymous No.18376067]

>>18375476
meanwhile
>advances for traditional books can go into six figures even for beginners, editing and cover are free and you don't have to spend 90% of your time shilling for your book

[Anonymous No.18376234]

Rain clouds rolled in front of the sun, throwing menacing shadows on the little town. In the marketplace, the merchants began to take down their stalls, for it looked like a bad thunderstorm was brewing. A long sausage vendor with a moustache called out in surprise, "Look, by the bell tower," but through the commotion hardly anyone had heard him. Only two fish sellers, mother and daughter, turned their thick necks to look.

The bell tower stood right next to the market, casting its broad shadow over the square when the weather was sunny. At the top, on the very peak of the roof, sat a golden weathercock - but not one made of metal, as on church roofs, but a real, live weathercock with golden feathers. It had just landed when the sausage vendor called out. " Lord, if this isn't a bad omen," said Mother Fish Vendor, packing up her fish stall twice as fast as before. "What's wrong, Mom," asked the daughter with wide, anxious eyes. "When the weathercock comes, no stone is left unturned," said the mother, throwing a dripping sack of fish over her shoulder. "Come now, before it hails tombstones."

The sausage seller had listened to the mother's words and turned as pale as the belly of a flounder. He looked at his sausage stand, at the sausages jumbled on the wooden table, and then he held up his hands, looking at them and turning them back and forth as if assessing what was more important to him: the stand or his hands and what was attached to them.

[Anonymous No.18376261]

>>18376067
You do realize that advances aren't free money, right? You won't get the first $x from your earned royalties, x being the amount of your advance.

[Anonymous No.18376271]

>>18375591
They look like writers and they write like writers – which isn't a good thing for a writer.

[Anonymous No.18376277]

>>18376234
The man is a SAUSAGE vendor and the woman is a FISH vendor. That's so subtle and humorous

[Anonymous No.18376297]

>>18376067
> he thinks that publishers actually do advertising and promotion for their writers
laughing_girls.jpg

[Anonymous No.18376464]

>>18376261
Just because you're not getting the whole sum right away doesn't mean it's not free money, at worst your sales won't cover it, and you won't see more … but even small advances are more than people self-publishing will generally see.

Cover and editorials are stupidly expensive too for self-publishing if you have any quality standards.
>>18376297
Depending on the advance, they will. Aside of that, the legitimacy and theirs plus your agents connections makes it much easier for you.

Anon who just signed a deal at Penguin is a bit more interesting to write about than anon who spams RR.

[Anonymous No.18376691]

>>18374684
I’ve been telling stories all my life. Used to make up shit for my kid brothers when they were small, made them the heroes of the stories. Then i started playing tabletop rpg’s. Started writing backgrounds for characters etc, then i started sketching short story ideas in high school. I guess it wasn’t an active choice but rather a natural way of making something out of ideas.

[Anonymous No.18376835]

>>18374684
it's just a natural thing to me i've always done it
if i experience something intensely or observe something interesting i naturally must write about it, make a story

[Anonymous No.18376981]

>>18376464
You're thinking of promotions that they do for the big authors like James Patterson or Stephen King. Any first time author will get
> arcs sent out to Netgalley
> press release sent out to newspapers
> the end, that's it

It's up to you to set up your own author readings at your Barnes and Noble, good luck getting an interview with local radio and TV

[Anonymous No.18377023]

>he doesn't keep an increasingly expanding list of words tied to their phonetic use to increase the fluency and assonance of his prose

[Anonymous No.18377055]

>>18371575
Gay actor Michael Douglas?!

[Anonymous No.18377056]

>>18374684
Nanowrimo

[Anonymous No.18377112]

>>18377023
This is beyond autistic. I hope you realized 99% of readers don't give a shit about this, let alone realize what you're doing.

[Anonymous No.18377166]

>>18377112
The idea is that the reader subconsciously picks up on the quality and care of word choice. It makes the prose a lot better.

[Anonymous No.18377434]

Reminder if this fat untalented fuck can get his published, so can you. I believe in you, anons.

[Anonymous No.18377438]

>>18374684
It seem like the best avenue to pore my imaginated world into.

[Anonymous No.18377479]

>>18377112
you might be retarded nigga. phonetics are THE thing that makes words flow word to word
unless your deaf, then you probably process words different and depend more on meter for musicality than phonetics but I'm assuming your only disability is mental

[Anonymous No.18377516]

>>18377479
I depend more on character and plot.

[Anonymous No.18377539]

>>18377516
based and anime pilled

[Anonymous No.18377566]

>>18377516
Unironically this. If you're focusing more on phonetics, something that shouldn't be actively tried to do in the first place, you're fucking retarded

[Anonymous No.18377602]

>>18377479
Boy you dumb as fuck.

[Anonymous No.18377632]

>>18377479
You're the kind of guy who writes the book with perfect flow but dogshit characters and plot.

[Anonymous No.18377637]

>>18377602
>stop studying basic linguistic theory
>no one is gonna even notice if you do or don't have the slightest grasp on how language is interpreted
>readers don't care about the experience of reading lmao
yeah, turn that On Writing page you little sissy slut, I bet you love your characters don't you, you slutty thing. why don't you turn around and show me your act based structure, mmm yeah baby yeah give me some more hollow self help tier advice

[Anonymous No.18377645]

>>18377637
Wow, look at this upset NGMI autist.

[Anonymous No.18377661]

>>18377637
Instead of studying the flow of words which will get you nowhere. If you're really that worried about it practice writing poetry. It will help you far more than autstically making a list of words that go together

[Anonymous No.18377662]

>>18377645
crab
the moment anyone puts in the slightest effort you have a melt down and fall back on your entry level advices
phonetics are literally 101 linguistics, I learned it when I was basically a child
don't be so insecure about someone putting in more effort than you. you could make up the difference of productive study if you just wrote like a true animefag and put in 10x the hours

[Anonymous No.18377672]

>>18377661
>write poetry
i'm not the spread sheet autist, I just respect proper study
poetry is a great path for practicing phonetics, though if your new to it you'll have to spend a month or two on meter first

[Anonymous No.18377732]

>>18377662
I have no idea why you think this is what people should focus on but feel free to carry on.

[Anonymous No.18377758]

>>18377662
Are you trying to show something with this image?

[Anonymous No.18377767]

>>18377732
>I have no idea why you think this is what people should focus on
I hate writers, all of them (including me) have crippling personality and social disorders. pretty fucked up considering it's an interest which assumes communication
it's not the number one thing people should focus on but it's good to have a well rounded and practiced skill set, especially if you have the time
>>18377758
ah sorry, I missed a couple letters
pyw crab

[Anonymous No.18377777]

>>18377637
please admit that you just wanted to display your fetishes in this post top kek

[Anonymous No.18377790]

>>18377777
Checked.

[Anonymous No.18377797]

>>18377767
Okay but can you maybe calm down and try to use some of that communication to explain what the hell is going on in your head here?
Like I have absolutely no idea what you're trying to do with>>18377023
English is not my native language and I don't write my prose in English so this is very confusing to me.

[Anonymous No.18377798]

>>18377777
I never truly got over that teenage tier humor that finds homoerotic sexual aggression funny
nice get

[Anonymous No.18377820]

>>18377797
>I'm an ESL
if you're not an esl this is an expert way to diffuse autistic melt downs
I'm not anon >>18377672 I just respect what he's trying to do, assuming it's not at the expense of actually writing/reading
phonetics is the study of sounds. understanding how sounds flow from one to another helps you craft sentences that feel good when read

[Anonymous No.18377828]

>>18377820
holy fuck im a clumsy
correction, im not anon, the one with the spreadsheet >>18377023

[Anonymous No.18377832]

>>18377637
>How to tell if writers have any readers at all in one easy step.

[Anonymous No.18377837]

>>18377820
So stuff like alliteration?

[Anonymous No.18377841]

>>18377662
>>18377637
>>18377023
So what books have you published?

[Anonymous No.18377851]

>>18377777
Only sex he is ever going to get is his books getting fucked by sales and bland story.

[Anonymous No.18377861]

>>18377832
insecure and churlish
>n-ngmi
pyw
there's no reason to seethe this hard just because someone is practicing and your not
>>18377837
yes, great example. I'm an english only pleb so I don't know how it is in your language, but the sounds of words are very important in english

[Anonymous No.18377866]

>>18377861
>practicing

So you haven't written anything or had it published. Gotcha.

[Anonymous No.18377879]

>>18377861
>Very important

Come on now. Have you heard the average person talk?

[Anonymous No.18377887]

>>18377866
???
bro what are you talking about
post your work already
you talk all this shit but you have nothing to show
I know i'm not a perfect writer, but I 100% know that I know more than you. prove you aren't just an insecure little dweeb and post something

[Anonymous No.18377893]

>>18377879
>deliberately stunting your knowledge base so that you can more accurately write realistic dialogue
based

[Anonymous No.18377904]

>>18377887
Bro you are sad as fuck.

[Anonymous No.18377905]

>>18377861
>Finnish is a phonetic language: each written letter is always represented by the same sound and each sound is written with the same letter
I guess there's not much for me to gain from this unless I decide to start writing in English, which is unlikely.

[Anonymous No.18377909]

>>18377777
In gay quints getter, michel Douglas.

[Anonymous No.18377916]

Why learn how words flow of word? I just listen to gangster rap.

[Anonymous No.18377917]

>>18377861
>and your not
Put your house in order.

[Anonymous No.18377926]

>>18377904
>won't post anything
So you haven't written anything
I know I shouldn't fall for insecure retards and their crab babble. there's always a few in thread but I hate to think that they might influence new writers

[Anonymous No.18377931]

>>18377926
Holy fuck. Just fucking ignore him. How fucking hard can that be. Fucking hell. Why do you have to take the fucking bait so easily like some fucking retard? Jesus Christ.

[Anonymous No.18377939]

>>18377926
What's with the crab meme?

[Anonymous No.18377944]

>>18377662
It's not that bad but it's really only dialogue and pretty average at best. If this is supposed to be an example of what an emphasis on phonetics will get you, it's not convincing.

[Anonymous No.18377949]

>>18377926
I don't know about him, but I've written a book and gotten it published, as well as writing two other books on YouTube, and I think you're annoying as fuck. Guardbeardia if you want proof.

[Anonymous No.18377953]

Mom. Dad. Stop fighting.

[Anonymous No.18377964]

>>18377931
yeah yeah I know. don't act like you've never bitten shit bait before
it's one thing to fall for obvious bait and controversial takes like
>if you don't do [x pseud behavior] you're anime and you shouldn't even write
but it's another when it's
>writing is all about [entry level retard opinion]
because I can easily imagine newfags getting caught up in the mind set and continuing the downward spiral

[Anonymous No.18377983]

>>18377964
Jesus Christ. Stop derailing the thread with your sperg out and stop taking the bait. How fucking hard can that be for you.

[Anonymous No.18377985]

>>18377983
>>18377964
Sad, really.

[Anonymous No.18377990]

>>18377944
nah, I haven't actually done a piece on phonetics. studied it in college awhile ago, so I know enough to respect it
I just picked something random out of my folder. I'm confident anything I've written is competent at worst and will shut down the average crab
personally I hated practicing phonetics. a lot of it is rote study since you need to be able to recognize it intuitively. I respect what spreadsheet anon is doing but I wouldn't want to do it myself

[Anonymous No.18377997]

>>18377662
is this your writing?

[Anonymous No.18378002]

I’ve been trying to write short stories but I started working on something more like a web novel/light novel story and I’m enjoying that a lot more. I wonder if I should forget about short stories and just write this stuff.

[Anonymous No.18378004]

>>18377904
Alright, here you go. It's an excerpt from the opening chapter of my new novel:

A long time ago, a sorcerer lived in the old forest. The villagers from the surrounding area called him Saledin, although that wasn't his real name. Nobody knew his real name - except for himself. Namelessness is one of the disadvantages of the sorcerer's trade. Why this is so, not even the great scientist Ovenarius knows.

Most of the time, the villagers had little to do with their wondrous neighbor. Every now and then he would turn up unexpectedly at the inn, have a cup of tea and ask about the latest developments. He was a welcome guest and his odd way of talking led to numerous new expressions. Only the innkeeper was not happy about the sorcerer's visit. This was due to his questions about the latest developments. The "latest developments" was a code word, which meant as much as: Which side has the upper hand right now, the bears or the falcons (where bears and falcons again stood for something else, namely the kingdoms of Helvaburg, which were the bears, and Falkenheim, which were the falcons).

Helvaburg and Falkenheim had been plotting against each other for as long as Pilaf, the village elder, could remember. Whenever the subject came up and Pilaf sat by, he stroked his gray beard and slowly shook his aged head. He had always known, he said, that there would be war between the falcons and the bears. And so it had come to pass, and Pilaf behaved like a soothsayer for a few days, until he realized that a war between two great countries, which would cost many thousands of lives, was not the right moment for grandfatherly amusement. The innkeeper, however, had a special reason why he did not like to talk about the "latest developments."

His two sons

[Anonymous No.18378025]

>>18377964
What exactly is the downward spiral here?

[Anonymous No.18378028]

>>18378004
Anon, this is... this isn't great. You're throwing around big talk as if you were constructing the best narratives known to man, but this section here and what I guess what was yours posted above is as dry as fucking wonder bread. You, of all people here, have no right to be as loud as you are, and its frankly sad to look upon.

[Anonymous No.18378033]

>>18377983
>anti-discussion droning
bro it's literally a 'discussion' on whether linguistics it's relevant to writers or not
sure, I should have realized the other anon was a bad faith actor but fuck off, constant
>google it
>stop derailing
is just as bad. I'm clearly a good faith actor trying to talk about writing, get off my dick
>>18377997
yes. it's not an example of phonetics though so don't take it as such. I just posted it because 90% of
>why are you even trying, just do what stephen king said
type posts are by people who don't write and are just trying to bring other people down

[Anonymous No.18378040]

>>18378033
>bro it's literally a 'discussion' on whether linguistics it's relevant to writers or not
It's a fucking sperg out not a fucking discussion. And you fucking know it.

[Anonymous No.18378044]

>>18378033
>bro it's literally a 'discussion'
It’s fucking not. Stop derailing the thread with your autistic fit.

[Anonymous No.18378047]

>>18378004
>Pilaf
This is literally a Dragon Ball fanfic, isn't it?

[Anonymous No.18378051]

>>18378025
bitter crabs tell newfags bad advice, which causes newfags to write poorly, which makes them become bitter because their preconceptions are holding them back, which makes them want to hold other people back
maybe I'm just an optimistic fruit for wanting to have a positive loop where people try to set each other on a good path and help build good habits and mentalities

[Anonymous No.18378055]

>>18378033
How is telling someone to do what Stephen King said bringing anyone down? King is inarguably a successful writer.
That being said I never read his book on writing.

[Anonymous No.18378063]

>>18378051
>bitter crabs
Have you considered you're just a schizophrenic? The idea that there's a nebulous group of people with malicious intent is a classic paranoid delusion.

[Anonymous No.18378074]

>>18377939
It's a long running joke in beginner threads on /ic/ and /fit/ where if you put crabs in a bucket when one tries to escape the other crabs will pull that crab back into the bucket. The will never help each other get out because of their inherently selfish nature. The concept applies to these containment threads because 95% of posters are new or inexperienced writers who use the same writing advice tropes repeatedly and never help each other improve and "escape the bucket". By repeatedly insulting and ripping each other apart the community never grows and only a minority of people who don't get involved end up making it out of the bucket.

It's along the same lines as /ic/'s PYW(post your work) so that the person who asks PYW has personal content they are able to critique from the other poster who is presumably being all sorts of high and mighty, when in reality they are a terrible artist and can't draw/write themselves out of a paper bag. It's easiest to see on /fit/ where the individuals body is the end result of their work and only those who have attractive physiques and perform the heaviest lifts are respected because no one on 4chan ever respects the fact that actual performative skill and conceptual knowledge of said performative skills are two separate things. Posters only wish to follow the advice of someone who has proven themselves to be successful and every showing of sincerity or real, actual work is used as ammunition to insult and berate other posters, perpetuating the crab/PYW mentality. It all goes back to the medium is the message. This is the attitude that becomes pervasive in an anonymous website for anime tiddies.

[Anonymous No.18378080]

>>18378051
>>18378033
>>18378004
Bro if this is what you're offering, no amount of fancy word structure is going to help you. Your story is bland, and Gordon Ramsey would throw it in a trashcan.

[Anonymous No.18378088]

>>18378063
Your post is funny and ironic because you are both performing the exact act the anon is complaining of while attempting to dissuade others that the act even exists. This is a very high quality shitpost and it's almost offensive how nonchalantly it performs it's function.

[Anonymous No.18378093]

This thread has been derailed completely and utterly. Hope you fags are proud of that.

[Anonymous No.18378105]

>>18378088
I see, I see. These... these "crabs", are they in the room with you right now?

[Anonymous No.18378114]

>>18370210
>Any progress on your novels?
Yes, I'm done now. I was never going to become the next Faulkner, the next Nabokov or the next Joyce, but I hid behind the language barrier to avoid criticism for months, maintaining an illusion that was fun to live in while it lasted. I had thought my country's education system to be topmost in the world, but this turned out to be utter bollocks. A child of 18, a person ten years my junior, has a greater vocabulary than I, who had to look up the word “topiary”, and no one likes the expression theory of art anymore, I am likened to a long lost dinosaur.
This will be my final post on /lit/. I've been humiliated and exposed as a fraud. My writing is pretentious, infantile, banal drivel. My observations are dull, my language grade school level. My tenses are mixed up; I use colloquialisms, ellipses and onomatopoeia. I mix tired and trite idioms together to obfuscate their unoriginality with a veneer of irony; I have continued to recite ornate Jewish chimpanzee parables with diminishing returns. The parable seemed very clearly to me to be asking me whether or not the now-grown-adult can choose. I say yes, of course, but that's not my issue.
I was never cut out for writing. I began writing my "book" on January 6th. Since then I've produced 95 thousand words for it. These words are a tide of garbage without value, without insight, without form. The themes of time, space, infinity, memory and pointless duelling are not present in my work. It was never real writing, it was anime and weebshit!
Story arcs, character arcs, narrative arcs, these are all outdated terms. You say what you hear, and only the anime fandom uses the term “arc” anymore. I am a toad! Look how many words I wrote, because apparently literature is bodybuilding and just aimlessly typing will somehow improve my writing. My appetites grew as I wrote, I set a goal of a 100 thousand words when I began, only for the cancerous growth to demand a 137 thousand words soon enough to be completed, and still I don't even know what genre it is that I'm writing. Is it autofiction? A comedy? A picaresque? Am I merely shitposting edgelord-triggering diarrhea in neo-emo gothic revivalist gestalt?
Regardless, I have failed. I have put down my pen. Never again will my fingers click-clack across the keyboard. No more outlines, no more characters. Goodbye

[Anonymous No.18378117]

>>18378105
Is your writing bad because you don't understand metaphor?

[Anonymous No.18378120]

>>18378080
c'mon, I know it's an anonymous throat singing forum so it's hard to tell who's who but you should be able to follow the sequence of conversation better than this
>>18378093
I'm gonna derail your tight little boy pussy if you keep bitching instead of contributing. be the change you want to see
atleast discussing 'crab culture' is meta discussion around thread culture, which could be. maybe if you posted anything other than anti discussion droning people could reply to it instead of the shit flinging crabs
>>>18378105
IM NOT GOING BACK INTO THE BUCKET YOU CANT HOLD ME ANYMORE STOP I CANT STAND TO HEAR IT IM NOT NOT NOT NO NO NGMI NGMI NGMI

[Anonymous No.18378121]

>>18378105

[Anonymous No.18378132]

>>18378114
>Regardless, I have failed. I have put down my pen. Never again will my fingers click-clack across the keyboard. No more outlines, no more characters. Goodbye
I'm sorry to hear that anon.

[Anonymous No.18378134]

>>18378120
Stop defending yourself. You derailed the thread. Nothing more and nothing less. There’s no discussion, just an endless shitpost. All because you kept on taking the obvious bait like a retard.

[Anonymous No.18378152]

>>18378134
So then what do you want to talk about, my guy?

[Anonymous No.18378156]

>>18378152
>He keeps on doing it
There's no saving /wg/

[Anonymous No.18378166]

We had a hell of a ride /wg/. But I can’t keep on staying here if the threads are constantly being derailed. I’ll go to some writer’s forum.

[Anonymous No.18378176]

>>18378166
This is because of my negligence. If only I had posted my pasta more often, all of this unpleasantness could've been warded off.

[Anonymous No.18378187]

>>18378152
the antidiscussion drone has an auto reply script to endlessly perpetuate (you)s
usually I like to reply to newfags and try to help them out. usually this is met with
>you just don't get it
and
>you're just a pseud trying to stifle my art
so maybe how all writers are schizophrenic and have deep rooted personality problems and coping with the fact that I'll never get to enjoy writing discussion from the comfort of my own home because of it

[Anonymous No.18378188]

>>18378166
>>18378156
>>18378176
This is my fault because I haven't written burgerpunk in months. I failed you /wg/. I'm sorry.

[Anonymous No.18378197]

>>18378114
>finnish anon posts
>pasta returns
don't forget, you're here forever

[Anonymous No.18378202]

>>18378197
I know. I tried to quit but it didn't stick.

[Anonymous No.18378226]

>>18378187
Discords are all pozzed hugboxes. Reddit are just a bunch of leeches writhing over each other for the smallest scrap of attention. Real writing groups are queen bee hives, where a bunch of nerds join to try and get laid and no one know how to critique
There is no where to find writing discussion. /wg/ is your only hope and you have to wade through the constant shitposts to find it
If you're as much of a regular as you seem to be, you should know that certain behaviors denote a character which has to be ignored

[Anonymous No.18378248]

>>18377949
I was going to ask why would you share what is a pretty embarrassing youtube channel but I recognize your book and know you're autistic
Good for you anon, keep doing what your doing. But you probably shouldn't be bullying anyone. We've read your work. We know how the quality is

[Anonymous No.18378267]

>>18378226
Did you watch Bo Burnham's new special? Creativity and true artistic beauty come from locking yourself in a room for over a year without outside contact, apparently.

[Anonymous No.18378280]

>>18378267
>artistic enlightenment requires going through a mental break
The Muses were just schizophrenic whispers

[Anonymous No.18378298]

>>18378280
No Kidding. I haven't been writing recently because I've been trying to pay my bills and I keep telling myself I'll write once I'm in an okay place. But I don't think I'll ever get to an okay place, and even if I did get to an okay place, I doubt what I would make would be any good in comparison to what I write when under the stressors of life. My brain just keeps tricking me. It's like it has a list of activities that are too "important" like reading, writing, gaming, movies, etc. that aren't making money, so I don't do them, but then my time gets filled with refreshing /lit/ or watching youtube because my brain doesn't see those activities as big or important, but they end up taking up more time than if I had gone out of my way to just do those other things.

Sorry for the blog post.

[Anonymous No.18378302]

>>18378248
Heres you're (You), Mr.Fisher.

[Anonymous No.18378313]

>>18378298
as penance post some of your writing
the only time this thread is worth anything is when people share. otherwise the various representatives of the untermensch crawl out of hiding to throw shit

[Anonymous No.18378341]

>>18378051
If you wanted a positive feedback loop then why did you start all of this by writing a snide comment about using phonetics?

[Anonymous No.18378342]

>>18378313
Okay. I'm burgerpunk anon but this is a project I've worked on and off for a while. Talked about in the threads a long while back about a book where the whole thing is one night at a bar. This was one of the first sections.

[Anonymous No.18378354]

>>18378114
I aint reading all of that. I'm glad for you or sorry for your loss

[Anonymous No.18378365]

>>18378341
it started with a snide comment putting someone who's trying to learn phonetics down
I acted cunty about it because the guy was being a dick to someone with good intentions and then he started spewing the classic
>muh sales and characters
bullshit to try and deflect. so yeah, I got baited when I should have just said
>your wrong phonetics are fine

[Anonymous No.18378379]

Personally, I don't focus much on how words fit together. If they sound right they sound right. I'm more worried about keeping my plot together and interesting

[Anonymous No.18378396]

>>18378342
I like your prose. I don't like most of your dialogue. you don't reek of being an absolute beginner like most posters
I don't understand most of your highlights. just passages and style you don't like and want to rework?
>where the whole thing is one night at a bar
I intend to write something similar. g

[Anonymous No.18378404]

I'm trying to write a religious character. What are some tips to keep in mind for portraying them? For example, my general understanding is that converts tend to be more zealous.

[Anonymous No.18378408]

>>18378404
Google it.

[Gaskun !!LKQ0Koj4uFz No.18378412]

>>18374684
It all came out of dreams back in 2004. The imagery was so intense that when I woke up I had to start writing down the fantastic over the top narratives I’d imagined.

[Anonymous No.18378416]

ESL passing through. Keep posting what you have written, friends. It's always good to see people's work.

--

We don't need to argue at length about the existence of ghosts. They are undoubtedly real (like the human soul). I know well that I will meet resistance with this statement, but spare me today with your mathematical parables. Life does not fit on a squared sheet of paper. Let's not argue. It would only cost us valuable time. Instead let us address the actual facts of the matter.

Last Thursday, late in the evening, my cell phone rang. I didn't feel like answering it, but overcame myself - why I did so, I cannot explain. I suppose it must have been my upbringing, or the fear of a missed death notice, or some unseen force influencing my every move.

So I answered the phone. On the other end spoke an acquaintance of mine, barely a year older than me, short, an artist, but not very talented (i.e. lazy). She wished me a belated happy birthday. I thanked her, embarrassed, in my shy way, and tried to witfully answer her questions regarding the last few months of my life. I suspect that she wanted to end the phone conversation as much as I did, which became more and more awkward the closer we came to the subject of art, and was therefore a little surprised when she invited me to a face-to-face meeting for the two of us. I agreed.

That same evening I suffered from nightmares for the first time after a long period of rest. I have forgotten the exact content of the dreams, though I can faintly remember the feeling of cracking teeth. For the longest time I saw the dreams about my teeth as a reaction of my subconscious to the conscious worries I had about the crooked nature of my lower anterior molars.

As a teenager, I had refused to wear braces.I felt sufficiently low as a fat, pimply, asthmatic, goggle-wearing bookworm. Braces, I thought at the time, would have undermined my social standing once and for all. It's strange to look back on one's life and be confronted with the foolish decisions that fill most of our living hours. It raises the question of whether we are smarter now than we were then, or whether twenty years from now (if we are still alive then) we will look back on the present with as much shame and embarrassment, with a sinking feeling in our stomachs, as we do now with regard to the past.

[Anonymous No.18378423]

>>18378404
it'll come off as shallow if you don't engage with religion yourself
which is probably fine, write as far as your aspirations and intentions tell you to
>>18378408
i'm gonna have a fucking meltdown you god damn fucking drone

[Anonymous No.18378426]

I'm thinking about writing a happy version of My Twisted World, in which the Elliot protag successfully gets a white gf but also comes to appreciate his Asian heritage. I wonder if I would be heralded as a hero among r/hapas and r/aznidentity, they worship white women

[Anonymous No.18378437]

>>18378423
Have your meltdown, just don’t use /wg/ for it. You derailed the thread more than enough already with inconsequential bullshit.

[Anonymous No.18378441]

>>18378396
I had an English professor friend look over it. Yellow was stuff he thought I should rework and green was stuff he liked. There wasn't much green.

It's kinda funny. All this started as a script. So in the beginning I only had dialogues between characters that I thought was interesting and witty, but when I decided to turn it into a book I basically just bolted prose on it and I felt as if there was this big clash between a very straightforward and almost legal recitation of facts type prose mixed with a very colloquial and casual dialogue. I unno. I kinda hate it all now. I just finished reading white noise and it was so disappointing. It felt like it lacked a certain spiteful energy about it that would have made it's radical critique of modernity interesting, and I really don't want what I write to feel that contrived but without a pay off of some kind. So much of what I could write about it would basically just be an ideological manifesto disguised as bar talk. And, for a good chunk of what I've written, I already have done that.

[Anonymous No.18378444]

>>18378437
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
YOU'RE ALL GONNA GET DERAILED
burgerpunk anon, don't come to /wg/ next week

[Anonymous No.18378450]

>>18378437
He does this on every thread. He'll say something retarded, people call him out on it, and when asked to provide evidence of his stupid argument or samples of his writing, he calls everyone crabs and tells them to shut up

[Anonymous No.18378464]

>>18378444
nice trips.

[Anonymous No.18378493]

>>18378450
what are you talking about
im a dumb retard who falls for bait all the time because I take people in too much esteem
but the only time I call people crabs are when they try to make claims like
>don't even try to learn phonetics, there's no point
don't tell me you're one of the fragile beginners who got assblasted when I tried to help him? call me a retard for always getting pulled into emotional meltdowns with people but I do try to help. it's probably why I get roped up into dumb shit all the time. I assume everyone has a good mentality and are speaking honestly, when in actuality they're probably not
>>18377662
feel free to shit all over my writing if you'd like. unlike most of you fucks I'll actually shell up my stuff when I make claims
it is true that I can't post an example of phonetics as helpful to your writing. guess you're free to interpret the claim that the study of language helps in the appliance of language as you like

[Anonymous No.18378504]

You guys might be able to help.
I remember a book going around written by a /lit/ anon that was very bizarre. I had a goodreads page with a lowish rating and the anon would argue with people over their reviews.
IIRC the title had the word "Firefly" in it and at least the first part of the book was about a (Chicago?) suburb after am unexplained phenomenon disabled all electronics for months during the summer. Any idea what it is?

[Anonymous No.18378554]

>>18378504
It's Glowbug by Luke Feistamel. The reviews are fine but he used to argue with people about it in threads here when he published it. The prose was bizarre from what I remember.

[Anonymous No.18378564]

>>18378493
> I can't post an example of phonetics as helpful to your writing
Yeah, like clockwork. Retarded argument with nothing to back it up. It sucks having a resident shit stirrer

[Anonymous No.18378596]

>>18378493
If you fall for the inflammatory shit posting again I'm gonna lose my mind
I recognize you anon and I appreciate that you contribute to the few effort posts. But stop falling for name calling, jesus christ
It's the most obvious and pointless form of (you) farming. They're not trying to engage in discussion, whether they know what they're talking about or not doesn't matter. Newfags are gonna conclude what they're gonna conclude. It's better that you set a precedent for the thread by not joining the cat and mouse game as dipshits bait you into defending yourself and your claims

[Anonymous No.18378698]

>>18378396
Also, just going to shill my burgerpunk writing too. I feel like most recently I kinda figured out the surreal Americana aspects that were lacking in the beginning. The obvious cyberpunk satire seems kinda cringe now, but I wouldn't have found a more sincere dystopian voice if I hadn't tried stuff out.

https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/36209/burgerpunk-pizza-time

[Anonymous No.18378718]

>>18378596
yeah sorry. been a bit on edge lately. the thread's comfy when people are actually discussing and helping each other, like a village raising a baby together, everyone giving their perspectives and skillsets to round out someone's writing
feels bad to have that spoiled by bad faith actors but I guess I'm enabling them
I'll just lurk and wait for someone to post some of their work

[Anonymous No.18378735]

>>18378105
kek

[Anonymous No.18378792]

Where do you guys share your web novels?

[Anonymous No.18378797]

>>18378792
Royalroad, Scribblehub, and I'm going to take the leap of faith into Spacebattles later today.

[Anonymous No.18378800]

>>18378792
>>18370210
>>Be like Charles Dickens and write serially
>https://www.royalroad.com/

[Anonymous No.18378812]

How does everyone here start their first paragraph or even sentence in their stories? For me, the first few hundred words are always the hardest part of the story, for it's quite challenging to establish a hook that sinks the readers in.
I've dabbled with short sentences that leave the reader wanting more as a starter and also, long emotionally charged sentences as a starter to get the reader into my character's head. Regardless, I'm never satisfied with my start. Which is why I come to you guys -- my peers -- for help, what in your eyes, makes a good intro for a story?

[Anonymous No.18378819]

>>18378812
>How does everyone here start their first paragraph
By writing. Like you should be doing instead of posting here making excuses.

[Anonymous No.18378820]

>>18378792
This general likes Royal Road but I also use Wattpad and Tapas, which are more mainstream

[Anonymous No.18378824]

>>18378819
rude

You can cheat a bit and start writing the middle. Once you get into the flow, you can work backwards to the beginning

[Anonymous No.18378826]

>>18378819
I know that anon. I do write. I'm simply not satisfied with my intros when compared to the published work of other authors within my craft.

[Anonymous No.18378847]

>>18378812
just write. it's 90% intuitive. you're primarily setting expectations
the easiest way to write a good intro is to know what you're writing. the easiest way to know what you're writing is to have written it
there's no harm in phoning in the intro, finishing a draft, and reworking the intro once you have a more thorough understanding of your story

[Anonymous No.18378855]

>>18378812
I just imagine my buddy Rich sitting in front of me, waiting to hear an entertaining story. I write down the first thing that pops into my head and write just the way I would have said it to him in conversation.

[Anonymous No.18378858]

>>18378855
>present tense, recounting
based perspective. stories are meant to be shared among friends

[Anonymous No.18378874]

>>18378812
>doesn't post an example
hard to identify what you're doing wrong

[Anonymous No.18378893]

>>18378858
ok, Rich, George, and Dale

[Anonymous No.18378904]

How do I know if I’m writing?

[Anonymous No.18378910]

>>18378904
Google it.

[Anonymous No.18378914]

>>18378904
If you're not doing anything else.

[Anonymous No.18378922]

>>18378904
if you make /wg/ seethe

[Anonymous No.18378927]

>>18378910
I dont get it.

[Anonymous No.18378966]

>>18378416
>"we don't need to argue about the existence of ghosts"
>argues about it anyways
>"but let's not argue"
As your first paragraph is currently structured, everything between the first sentence and the last two comes off as a pointless tangent.

>embarrassed, in my shy way,
"in my shy way" is redundant

> tried to witfully answer
While I don't hate on adverbs in general, this one is godawful.

>That same evening I suffered from nightmares for the first time after a long period of rest.
Unclear language. Could be read to mean "After my rest, I suffered nightmares for the first time in my life." You want to say something more like "I suffered nightmares for the first time in [months/years/weeks/other length of time]

In general, I'd say you need better word economy.

[Anonymous No.18378977]

Guys how do you get better at storytelling? I think I got the writing part down and I improved at that quite a bit, but my storytelling skills are still pretty shaky. Any advice?

[Anonymous No.18379016]

>>18378977
I mean, the easy advice is to go look up all the formulas, like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oP3c1h8v2ZQ

But really, the artistic merit of the work is about your goal with the reader. When someone reads your work, what do you want them to think or feel? Do you want them to feel whole and warm and fuzzy or do you want to cuck them with the worst tragedy that doesn't even happen yet? Do you want them to feel like their time was wasted as a meta narrative about entertainment and time perception? Do you want the reader to think the hero is super cool and he accomplishes his goals because in modernity we don't finish anything?

[Anonymous No.18379076]

Jesus Christ I'm 1000 words in writing a book about gay highschoolers because of a joke I made with a friend.
I hate myself and I hate the garbage that I'm writing but I still wanna finish it

[Anonymous No.18379083]

>>18378977
by writing and reading
post something if you want tangible feedback
>>18378966
this is pushing a modern voice, most of these examples are fine since it's a deliberate style
witfully is utter garbage though. the sentence about nightmares does need a restructure, but anon is suggesting something very dry and modern, not sure if it'd fit
>>18378416
read some Poe. I see what you're going for, especially with that first paragraph but you're missing the mark
I doubt you're gonna make much friends aping this late victorian style. it's hard to pull off without looking like a total pseud
I appreciate the brusque pace but it feels mildly at ends with the prose, not to say you should do away with it, it's part of why I recc Poe, but it's hard to to get a feel for if this dissonance is well used or not with something so short

[Anonymous No.18379101]

>>18379083
>post something if you want tangible feedback
Give me a second. I'll write something real quick.
>>18379016
Thanks for the advice dude.

[Anonymous No.18379130]

>>18379076
> Yeah haha I'm writing all this gay erotica for a joke, I-I-I don't actually like it, baka!
Even a short book is 30,000 words. Why would you want to write so much about homos for free ...... unless you're in the closet?

[Anonymous No.18379148]

>>18378966
>>18378416
on further consideration, it's probably "embarassed" which should be done away with, not "in my shy way".
>>18379083
I'm aware he's going for a deliberate style, but unless I'm mistaken about what style it is, I don't think any of the examples succeed at it.

[Anonymous No.18379283]

Guys, do you guys let your characters write themselves, or do you prioritize the story first?

[Anonymous No.18379287]

>>18379283
Jesus christ, what is it with retards asking these retarded questions.

[Anonymous No.18379292]

Don't worry, everyone, I'll save the next thread. I'll post excerpts from the new chapter of Blackula

[Anonymous No.18379295]

>>18379287
it seems to be an effort to piss you off in particular, google-chan
>>18379283
this one is pretty shit though

[Anonymous No.18379300]

>>18379292
>Derailing the new thread that will enrage the racist.
Boy, I can't wait to see the new thread be reduce to shit instantly.

[Anonymous No.18379333]

>>18379300
I am a racist, but I'm also ok with both detailed and on topic threads

[Anonymous No.18379349]

>>18379333
Yeah, sure. Until we have like a hundred posts of two autist sperg in four and ruining for the rest.

[Anonymous No.18379351]

>>18379130
I've kissed a guy before it wasn't nice

[Anonymous No.18379353]

>>18379333
*derailed

[Anonymous No.18379355]

>>18379351
we don't care. Go on write's on your mind for this shit.

[Anonymous No.18379356]

>>18379283
Why don't you take your stupid, not worth considering question and ask it on r/webfiction or the Royalroad forums like all the other retards?

[Anonymous No.18379392]

>>18378080
that's some third actor falseflagging the guy arguing with the chart guy

[Anonymous No.18379451]

>>18379355
maybe if I kissed you it'd be different.

[Anonymous No.18379454]

>>18379355
pls no homophobe

[Anonymous No.18379457]

>>18379451
>>18379454
Fuck off and go to writes on your mind for this faggot shit.
>>18374904

[Anonymous No.18379461]

>>18379457
Stop derailing

[Anonymous No.18379463]

>>18378977
>storytelling skills are still pretty shaky.
this can mean literally fucking anything.

[Anonymous No.18379464]

New thread
>>18379462

[Anonymous No.18379469]

>>18379463
It’s why it’s best to just ignore those type of questions. They provide nothing but let people shitpost.

[Anonymous No.18379470]

>>18379076
1k words is hardly a short story. You can just stop now and you won't have wasted any real time on it. Bring it past 20k words and then you'll have an excuse to use the sunk cost fallacy.

[Anonymous No.18379477]

>>18379469
>"anon what do you do when you write?"
>blood pressure rises
>pupils dilate
>hyperventilate
bro if you don't have anything to say related to writing just close the thread

[Anonymous No.18379484]

>>18379463
every question should come with an excerpt which demonstrates why they're asking that question

[Anonymous No.18379488]

>>18379477
>>"anon what do you do when you write?"
Literally, a shit question not worth asking.

[Anonymous No.18379504]

>>18379488
it's the premise on which almost all writing discussion presides, excluding industry talk
what the hell else is on topic other than vapid blogging

[Anonymous No.18379508]

>>18379504
>blogging
Not that anon, but don't get me started on the blogging. That shit is so off-topic.

[Anonymous No.18379518]

>>18371853

Too close to ellis

[Anonymous No.18379519]

>>18379484
>every question
People should do the bare minimum and actually search for the answer themselves before asking here. Some of the questions can literally be search up in five seconds on some search engines.

[Anonymous No.18379576]

>>18379484
But if I write how do I know I’m not copying myself? Is character development just a reflection of my own personal self actualization?

[Anonymous No.18379582]

>>18379504
>it's the premise on which almost all writing discussion presides
wrong. Ask specific questions and post excerpts. Otherwise your wasting our time and yours.
end of.

[Anonymous No.18379645]

>>18379582
unless it's grammar the question is probably subjective and ultimately boils down to
>what would you do if you were writing this
the issue isn't that most writing questions and discussion boils down to personal opinions on writing, but that most questioners are inarticulate and don't provide context
>Ask specific questions and post excerpts
I agree. there's a resident anon who will shit on any discussion, policing it like an overly tight assed church boy
4ch works through promotion rather censoring. you can't give downvotes. finger waggling and copy pasting google references only promotes bad discussion because it gives it more visibility
I do like starting the new thread with teaching newfags basic etiquette though

[Anonymous No.18379676]

>>18379470
I wanna write more but I have a lot of school work and I'm the type of person that cant multitask. I think Ill start again in september or something

[Anonymous No.18379704]

>>18379076
if the story doesn't end with them burning in hell after contracting the gay plague aids then you maybe should consider not writing it. my two cents

[Anonymous No.18379734]

>>18379704
it ends with two killing each other, one fucking a fatchick realising hes not gay and the narrator killing himself because of how awful my story is.

[Anonymous No.18379947]

I've decided on a master gameplan, I'm gonna go on royal road, make a shitty litrpg about having a slow life and the once my fanbase is cultivated, I'll release my actual hard work novel.

This surely can't fail.

[Anonymous No.18380008]

>>18379645
>>what would you do if you were writing this
this question can't be answered unless it's specific and comes with excerpts. next.

[Anonymous No.18380078]

>>18380008
why is /wg/ like this
>has low reading comp
>misconstrues a statement
>gets upset
I almost word for word said what you said
jesus christ