/wsffg/ Western Science Fiction and Fantasy General

[Anonymous No.18186898]

Dying Earth Genre Edition
Previous Thread: >>18175146

Thread rules:
>No anime
>No manga/comic books
>Only books by western and European authors

>Recommended reading charts (Look here before asking for vague recs)
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>Archive
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>A link to the ultimate colossal science fiction and fantasy collection torrent.
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Examples and recommendations of Dying Earth Genre:
>Gene Wolfe, Book of the New Sun
>H.P. Lovecraft, Till A’ the Seas
>H.G. Wells, Time Machine
>Jack Vance, The Dying Earth
>Michael Moorcock, The Dancers at the End of Time
>Michael Shean, A Quest for Simbilis
>Clark Ashton Smith, Zothique
>William Hope Hodgson, The Night Land
>George R.R. Martin, Dying of the Light

[Anonymous No.18186917]

Threadly reminder to read Bakker. Start with The Darkness That Comes Before. The Second Apocalypse series is part of the /wsffg/ canon. Not understanding Bakker memes renders you blind to most of the relevant discussion that goes on here.

Other good recommendations are of course:
>Tolkien
>Wolfe
>Dune
>GRRM
>Lovecraft
>Conan the Cimmerian books
>Black Company
>Wheel of Time (YA)
>Sanderson (if you like YA)
>Dying Earth
>Malazan if you really like DnD
>Abercrombie
>Asimov
>H.G. Wells
>Rothfuss
>Dunsnay
>Stephen King
>Moorcock
>Ursula

Any many other recommendations exist. I might expand this pasta further.

[Anonymous No.18186947]

>>18186898
The Halo lore is a bit cheesy but comfy to read however Karen Traviss is a shit writer. Would recommend this sci-fi series.

[Anonymous No.18186970]

>>18186947
Which Halo book is best to start with. I already have a good grasp of the story from the games, and I read Contact Harvest years ago. What are the good books in the setting?

[Anonymous No.18186991]

"Question: I’d like him to comment on how that relates to the creative aspects of the reader, that he brings to his reading of Borges. I feel sometimes as though…"

"Borges: Well, how is the case of Borges different from the case of any other writer? When you are reading a book, if you don’t find your way inside it, then everything is useless. The problem with The Lord of the Rings is you’re left outside the book, no? That has happened to most of us. In that case, that book is not meant for us…"

"Yates: In Chicago, last night and here before and every place else, people come to Borges eager to find out his opinion on Tolkien."

"Borges: Well I could never…I wish somebody would explain it to me or somehow convey what the book’s good for. Those people say if I like Lewis Carroll, I should like Tolkien. I am very fond of Lewis Carroll, but I am disconcerted by Tolkien."

"Yates: Last night you mentioned the difference between Tolkien and Lewis Carroll. You said Lewis Carroll is authentic fantasy and Tolkien is just going on and on and on."

"Borges: Maybe I’m being unjust to Tolkien but, yes, I think of him as rambling on and on. To compare him with Carroll is blasphemy"

Based Borges killed the Tolkienigger.

https://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php?/topic/44523-borges-on-tolkien/

[Anonymous No.18187014]

>>18186970
They are all pretty comfy to read but i didnt enjoy karen traviss. Halo: fall of reach is the story right before the games start. Basically u start with Eric Nylund. Contact harvest is set earlier lore wise but no spartans. Greg bear and the forerunner saga is also a good place to start since it is set before everything and it explains the forerunners their society and the creation of the halo rings, flood etc... My personal favorite is Troy denning u get to read about spartan 3s and them going schizo crazy.

[Anonymous No.18187232]

Can you find a more kino moment in fantasy?

[Anonymous No.18187292]

>>18187232
me on the left

[Anonymous No.18187294]

>>18187232
Quick rundown?

[Anonymous No.18187296]

>>18187232
What's so good about it? He literally just shines light on monkeymen in a cavern.

[Anonymous No.18187339]

>>18187232
Severian killing the autarch and eating his brain. The alzabo encounter. Typhon

[Anonymous No.18187529]

>>18187294
goes into a mine looking for his mommy gf only to realize he's been tricked into entering the lair of 100s of humans that have devolved into apemen. he's about to get killed by them but his magic religious artifiact starts glowing and all the apemen kneel out of reverence.

[Anonymous No.18187606]

what are some trans-inclusive fantasy books?

[Anonymous No.18187612]

>>18187606
raven tower
also fuck your sffg civil war, stupid thread

[Anonymous No.18187614]

this thread is the best thing to happen to /lit/ in a long time. it has, you might say, saved our World from the parasitic invaders that fell upon it bearing plague and corruption.

[Anonymous No.18187639]

>>18187606
Not any good book. Back to Discord you tranny. You will never be a woman.

[Anonymous No.18187641]

>>18187639
Trump lost.

[Anonymous No.18187725]

>>18187232
I really liked the moment when Achamian started teaching Kellhus the Gnosis
Its not a very kino moment but crucial to the story.

[Anonymous No.18187794]

>When I was a fighting man, the kettle-drums they beat,
>The people scattered gold-dust before my horse's feet;
>But now I am a great king, the people hound my track
>With poison in my wine-cup, and daggers at my back.

[Anonymous No.18187795]

There are few fantasy readers here, it's mainly plebs who read Gemmell or Jordan, and pseuds who think Gene Wolfe is great literature. For the real thing, try Vance's last Dying Earth work, Rhialto the Marvellous. It makes no pretensions to being literary, couldn't care less about world-building, and doesn't take itself seriously at all. Sardonic, hilarious, riotously imaginative.

[Anonymous No.18187880]

>>18187795
i like cugel the clever more; his never ending quest to get back at the wizard who exiled him is hilarious, also helps that he seethes constantly.

[Anonymous No.18187889]

>>18187795
>and pseuds who think Gene Wolfe is great literature
brown hands typed this post. GTFO nigger, this general is not for subhumans, go back to the animegeneral

[Anonymous No.18187902]

>>18187880
Not going to fault you there. They're all good, the original Dying Earth probably the weakest but heavy on the famous Dying Earth atmosphere. The two Cugel books are hugely rereadable and great stories. Rhialto has a light touch to it and was written late in Vance's career when his sentence crafting and humour were peak.

[Anonymous No.18187910]

speaking of zothique, there is this anthology based on that setting called the lost continent, also contains a story from wolffe, wonder if anyone on here has read it.

[Anonymous No.18187917]

>>18187795
>It makes no pretensions to being literary, couldn't care less about world-building, and doesn't take itself seriously at all
That's a long winded way of saying that it is trash and worthless.

[Anonymous No.18187924]

>>18187910
ooh sounds interesting, gonna have to see if I can find this online

[Anonymous No.18187927]

>>18187889
Pale patrician hands typed the post I can assure you. Unlike your North American members, mine have appreciatively cradled copies of JK Huysmans' finest.

[Anonymous No.18187941]

>>18187910
I just looked online, and on Amazon, the cheapest copy is $400, can't find any on ebay–apparently it's been out of print for several years and physical copies are very rare. With trembling hands I went to search on libgen to see if someone–anyone!–had uploaded a scanned version of it, and there is! There's an epub on libgen, thank god

[Anonymous No.18187943]

>>18187902
even for a setting as the dying earth, rhialto's stories feel a bit like a fever dream, i remember the one where the coven journey to a planet where they exiled one of their number, so vivid and descriptive, or the one where he travels to the past and ends up in a village of sorts; memorable, great prose but hallucinatory.

[Anonymous No.18187955]

>>18187941
ah cheers, i have downloaded as well, cautiously optimistic

[Anonymous No.18187971]

>>18187943
Exactly! It's one of my favourite books, finally I've found someone who gets it. I don't want to make too big claims for what is ultimately a work of light literature, but it has a unique atmosphere even among Vance's works. "Morrison" is like a dream where for a moment you comprehend the vastness of space and shudder.

[Anonymous No.18187980]

>>18187971
*Morreion

[Anonymous No.18188045]

>>18186898
Finally no anime in OP

[Anonymous No.18188100]

>>18186991
A writer of short fiction and essays doesn't enjoy a writer of epic fantasy, what a surprise.

[Anonymous No.18188103]

>>18187606
Bakker, Erickson, Martin. Basically, any non-British writer.

[Anonymous No.18188126]

>>18187910
Personally I don't see the appeal of Clark Ashton Smith, he's easily the weakest of the big names who wrote for Weird Tales. The pacing in a lot of the Zothique stories is poor and the climax comes as an afterthought.

[Anonymous No.18188168]

>>18188126
Howard and Lovecraft were both better storytellers, but you read Smith for the prose and the style of his writing. Howard is comparable prose-wise, Lovecraft's prose isn't that great but its serviceable

[Anonymous No.18188383]

>>18188168
Think you can recommend any story of his that might convert me?

[Anonymous No.18188522]

>>18188126
>>18188168
smith is dogshit

[Anonγmous No.18188693]

Holy reddit, imagine being afraid of anime

[Anonymous No.18188730]

>>18188693
Haha, eat shit

[Anonymous No.18188833]

>>18188730
Based

[Anonymous No.18188914]

>>18188730
based

[Anonymous No.18189026]

>>18187795
And ofcourse, Zelazny's Chronicles of Amber.

[Anonymous No.18189029]

Sneed

[Anonγmous No.18189073]

>>18188914
>>18188833
>>18188730
Sneethe, redditor

[Anonymous No.18189187]

Fuck E William Brown

[Anonymous No.18189305]

An anon in the old bread asked about "A Court of Thorns and Roses". I actually just finished it last night because I wanted to read a book focused on "fairy court intrigues" having gotten a taste of it in some of the Dresden books, but the book was a huge letdown. All your guesses and biases about it are probably correct. I'd say it's Twilight with fairies, except that the protagonist is just one iota less reprehensible. AMA

[Anonymous No.18189434]

Fuck the idiot that divided sffg, should have just kept one thread and ignore the anime poster.

[Anonymous No.18189464]

>>18188693
>>18188730
DE_STROYED

[Anonymous No.18189513]

>>18188126
I mostly enjoy Smith's work for the atmosphere he creates and his prose. Plot wise he's kind of hit or miss, because a lot of his stories end with the same "and I had the urge to return" bullshit, it's understandable why some folks don't like him.

[Anonymous No.18189581]

>>18189434
>t.anime shitposter all alone in his thread

[Anonymous No.18189586]

>>18189434
Ignore every OP and then every third message? Nah

On another topic. How is “slinging” technically done in TUC for the Zeum? It’s some sort of hanging but I haven’t been able to figure it out.

[Anonymous No.18189758]

>>18189305
>YA
>Female author
You brought it upon yourself anon. I also find it strange how nobody has beaten Dresden in the urban fantasy department after all this time.

[Anonymous No.18189775]

>>18189758
Urban fantasy is all chicklit vampire romance so there's not any competition in the first place

[Anonymous No.18189823]

Did people really get filtered by the 2nd person perspective? It reads fine to me.

[Anonymous No.18189840]

>>18186898
What are the best resources for a total newbie to use to learn about psychology, particularly psychological conditions, so that they can better write characters that have them? Stuff that doesn’t get too technical.

[Anonymous No.18189848]

>>18189305
Hi, I'm that anon.

Yeah, I'm interested in it because I want to read something dealing with mythological Fair Folk, and the description seemed to fit the bill. (Also returning to genre fiction after a decade-plus hiatus). Some quick research threw up several red flags, but I'm still curious. "Twilight with fairies" is... not exactly what I'm after, though.

[Anonymous No.18189968]

>>18189823
Last time someone tried this on me, it ended up being the worst book I have ever read. In retrospect she was black so I only have myself to blame.

[Anonymous No.18190289]

>>18189840
I’d say read some Russian classics like Dostoyevsky. Reading about people, I find, is better than trying to learn some soft science related the subject.

If you want to read SFF then I would recommend Bakker.

[Anonymous No.18190414]

Thoughts on David Eddings? The Elenium is way better than any of the 13 books that make up the Belgariad yet that one sole better

[Anonymous No.18190449]

>>18189848
Please read Lud-in-the-Mist if you haven't.

[Anonymous No.18190491]

>>18190449
I think I might!

[Anonymous No.18190537]

>>18190414
Been meaning to give Belgariad a try. How does it compare to the wheel of time?

[Anonymous No.18190561]

>>18190491
Different anon here, try Little, Big as well. Some people here seem to dislike it, but it's one of my favourites.

[Anonymous No.18190772]

>>18190537
I haven't read the wheel of time, but I read the first book of the belgariad the other night. Here's what happens:
>traveling through generic countryside
>gambits to avoid being tracked (that fail 100% of the time)
>vague references to the big prophecy (don't read the prologue, because knowing what was being alluded to was frustrating as fuck)
Also the female characters are pretty rough. The aunt is consistently a bitch to the mc, there's a woman who's a snarky bitch to her pretty cool guy husband incessantly, the aunt is also a bitch to a queen who has an interest in magic. There's even a loli bitch at the beginning. In future books they're probably redeemed but for a seasoned misogynist such as myself I'm not willing to find out.

[Anonymous No.18190935]

>>18190414
>>18190537
I've read the Belgariad 3x, Eye of the World once. The Belgariad turns its genericness into a virtue, you know what's going to happen because it's telegraphed loudly, so much prophecy, and it's like Star Trek in that every race has one character trait, but it ends up being comfy because of all this and the characters' relationships and the banter. It's sort of YA but it's old '80s style with the characters happy to kill enemies and make jokes about it.
Eye of the World is a huge LotR rip off but ig that goes away in book 2. The prose sucks in comparison to the Belgariad and the Belgariad is merely ok.

[Anonymous No.18191062]

>>18187606
Bakker.

[Anonymous No.18191077]

>>18187641
Good. And you will never be a woman.

[Anonymous No.18191081]

>>18191062
Anything written by modern w*stoids.

[Anonymous No.18191084]

>>18187889
>he thinks Gene Wolfe is great literature

[Anonymous No.18191099]

series for this feel.

[Anonymous No.18191146]

what are some good first contact with aliens stories I might not have heard of?

i quite liked Gateway, The Gods Themselves, and The Left Hand Of Darkness and would like more

[Anonymous No.18191224]

>>18187971
have you read the lyonesse trilogy as well, anon? to me many aspects of lyonesse feel as his dying earth works; particularly the travel through tentravelles can pass of as another adventure of either rhialto or cugel. I think maduoc might pass of as the closest to his dying earth, the search for the grail in troll infested forests with wefkin and sandestin contractors paid handsomely in victuals do evoke that memory.

[Anonymous No.18191262]

>>18190935
Sounds good enough to stick on my list. I can use it to detox after finishing Bakker I guess.

[Anonymous No.18191278]

>>18187924
https://b-ok.cc/book/4507102/035e0a

[Anonymous No.18191298]

>seperate thread just for Bakker posting

[Anonymous No.18191359]

>>18191146
Blindsight, Childhoods End, The Gods Themselves,

[Anonymous No.18191386]

>>18191298
A good range of novels are talked about in this threads.

[Anonymous No.18191476]

>>18191298
>shit up thread with off topic anime OP pictures
>use off topic anime pictures with every post
>discuss machine translated trash Chinese web """""novels"""" that read like AI generated nonsense text
>literally yell at people who think tranny ideology is retarded, because ofc the anime obsessed narcissist NEET is also a tranny
>people make a new thread to escape all the sewage
>seethe and dilate

[Anonymous No.18191497]

Let's collect memeable phrases from Bakker's work.
I'll begin:
>Whore after all.
>Truth shines!
>The slog of slogs, boys!
>The study is so deep, Father.
>The madness lifts!

[Anonymous No.18191672]

>>18191099
book of the new sun

[Anonymous No.18191691]

>>18191497
>What do you see?
>We are a race of lovers.
>I... remember...
>I stand where my brother stood!
>Scrutiny. Calculation.
>Death came swirling down.
>Don’t trust Hi—
and of course the obvious
>Does it trouble you?

[Anonymous No.18192058]

>>18186898
>>18188045
are we really permanently changing the general just so we don't have to look at anime art

[Anonymous No.18192070]

Do Bakker books have batles and shit detaling the fantasy crusades I feel like that's a lot cooler than strange fantasy messiah ramblings.

[Anonymous No.18192079]

>>18192058
it was never anime, it was vtubers, and i say good riddance

[Anonymous No.18192084]

>>18191497
>>18191691
>One might sooner wash shit from shit than cleanse a soul so wicked!

[Anonymous No.18192242]

>>18192070
yes

[Anonymous No.18192250]

>>18192084
not memorable

>>18191691
triamis bread one

[Anonymous No.18192257]

>>18192070
They have very large battle setpieces, yes.

[Anonymous No.18192265]

Nothing has happened in The Darkness That Comes Before. It's not even that philosophical. Fantasy tards truly can't be saved.

[Anonymous No.18192277]

Is there any good sword and sorcery/heroic fantasy still being written on the vein of the old school writers of the mid 1900s?

[Anonymous No.18192294]

>>18192277
me unironically lol

check out some S&S magazines; Goodman Games has Tales from the Magician's Skull, they have some pretty good S&S stories

[Anonymous No.18192330]

>>18192277
Thunes vision by schyuler hernstorm

[Anonymous No.18192347]

>>18192277
I don't know about contemporary stuff, but David Gemmell was writing plenty in the 80's 90's. You should check out Legend by him.

[Anonymous No.18192559]

STOP!

What is the purpose of this general? If anything, you should have jettisoned fantasy fags and split the community that way; The 90% ftm can have their fantasy and based 10% patricians can have sci-fi

[Anonymous No.18192584]

>>18191476
>doesnt even deny being bakker spamming subhuman

[Anonymous No.18192611]

>>18192559
>seething about ftm
>posts moetranny shit
something doesnt check out.

[Anonymous No.18192647]

>>18192559
Did the eastern sci-fi general die already? how about u fuck off back to /a/ u mentally ill freak.

[Anonymous No.18192653]

>>18187232
When warbringer and quim argue theology for seven days while quim slowly dehydrates to death

[Anonymous No.18192770]

>>18191497
>How long have you served Golgotterath?
>Not everyone can be saved.

[Anonymous No.18192772]

>>18192070
First trilogy is literally about a crusade

>>18192265
Filtered. First book sets things up for the whole series.

[Anonymous No.18192837]

>>18186917
peepeepoopoo

[Anonymous No.18192865]

>>18187795
And a wicked sense of humor, right?

[Anonymous No.18192968]

>>18191497
>>18191691
do you guys ever get sick of how he writes? he constantly repeats similar phrases and the characters exposition for pages on end. its almost as bad as erikson

[Anonymous No.18193006]

>>18192968
No. And it is not constantly. Also it is not the same thing when the characters themselves say something many times.

“Truth shines” is a common greeting/hail/praise among Zaudunyani

[Anonymous No.18193025]

>>18187795
The only thing I remember about Rhialto the Marvelous is it has a scene in which two guys jerk off without coming across as fetishy or homosexual

[Anonymous No.18193215]

>>18192277
I picked up this recently, like all short story collections your mileage will vary but I enjoyed Glen Cook's, James Enge's and Erikson's the most. Gene Wolfe gave another iteration of his giantess fetish but it was well written as always.
Enge's Morlock the Maker series has a lot of good entries though it's more in the vein of Moorcock and Leiber than Burroughs.

[Anonymous No.18193302]

>>18193025
I don't remember that part...

[Anonymous No.18193325]

>>18192968
I think his phrases are good, they don't feel repetitive but rather anchored in characters and culture. They feel like proper sayings and the like as opposed to some generic "By the maker!" shit. I think where he is at his weakest is when he writes run on sentences that read like black metal lyrics, but even then I appreciate the effort.

I don't get the comparison with Erikson whose prose is very workman like where it seems a craft not an art. It gets the job done and that's it.

[Anonymous No.18193704]

>Just picked up [pic related]

Good versions, or did I fuck myself?

[Anonymous No.18193723]

I can't stop reading Dune
I know i'm past the peak now that i have finished God Emperor but it doesn't matter anymore
I hope i can reason myself after Chapterhouse so i don't start reading Brian's books

[Anonymous No.18193726]

>>18193704
Why would you fuck yourself? The content is the same.
The covers are kinda shit though.

[Anonymous No.18193732]

>>18193726
Sometimes, I'll buy books recommended, only to find out they are printed on tissue paper and bound together with hobo spit.

[Anonymous No.18193740]

>>18193723
Why would you keep going after God Emperor? It's a good stopping point, everything afterwards is far in the future and doesn't have an ending so you'll feel bad. And the Brian books aren't canon, don't believe their lies. They actually contradict it.

[Anonymous No.18193748]

>>18187232
>THE CLAW OF....
>THECLA

Why must you do this to us, Gene?

[Anonymous No.18193764]

>>18189073
You've been brainwashed by jap propaganda you retard.

[Anonymous No.18193788]

>>18193740
I like the whole Scattering thing. And God Emperor was already far as fuck in the future.
I know it ends on a cliffhanger, but it's a price i'm willing to pay.

[Anonymous No.18193899]

GUYS, THERE'S A HARDBACK EDITION OF THE ELRIC SAGA, well a portion of it at least, IN THE WORKS AND IS COMING OUT AT 21st OF NOVEMBER! IT ALSO COMES WITH GORGEOUS ILUSTRATIONS! And if anyone deserves a sick hardcover, it's the crimson eyed albino prince.

[Anonymous No.18194073]

>>18193899
Poggers

[Anonymous No.18194082]

>>18194073
There's 3 volumes coming out starting on 30th of November, a month apart each. They're all around 25 euros, if that, and I'm definitely ordering.

[Anonymous No.18194084]

>>18194073

[Anonymous No.18194282]

>>18194082
Where from?

[Anonymous No.18194296]

>>18194282
BookDepository has it listed, the publisher and all the details are on it so check there. I would have linked it, but for some reason 4chan considers it to be spam so I can't.

[Anonymous No.18194317]

>>18193899
fuckin nice. about time we got a reprint

[Anonγmous No.18194332]

>>18193764
More like you've been brainwashed by retards on /pol/

[Anonymous No.18194338]

>>18194296
Nice, I pre-ordered. Now to forget about it so I can surprise myself.

[Anonymous No.18194364]

>>18192559
weebs bring down the IQ and literacy of the entire thread by several standard deviations. Why? 90% of you kids are OKAY with reading machine translated versions of self-published YA webnovels written by high school dropouts. That's crap made by crap going through a another crap filter. No other medium has standards this low. Even the kids reading harry potter back in the day tried to abstain from reading web spoilers because no matter how shitty the writing in HP was it still had an iota of literary quality over a machine translation.

Xianxia is garbage as well. If you're actually going down that route might as well go with the classics and reading Jin Yong.

[Anonymous No.18194376]

>>18194332
>you are brainwashed if you don’t count vtubers, hololive, manga and anime as SFF literature
You retards don’t even read books. So you might as well go to >>>/a/ or >>>/vt/

[Anonymous No.18194382]

>>18188693
>>18189073
reddit loves anime you underageb&, go take your YA trash back to /a/

[Anonymous No.18194384]

>>18194338
>pre-ordered
I'm tempted, but will likely do that come Autumn at the earliest.

>>18194364
You're also a retard for blasting anime and manga for the 90% that is shit, meanwhile ignoring stuff like Monster, 20th Century Boys, Vagabond, Berserk, Blade of the Immortal, Shigurui and the like that are pretty damn good reads and quality stuff in general, that your average (d)weeb doesn't really care about, Berserk being the exception. You can't tell me that titles like LOGH, ABe trilogy, Terra e (the show), Satoshi Kon's work, etc. aren't mature titles and ones very much worth experiencing.

[Anonymous No.18194400]

I tried reading ready player one but some of the words are a bit too big for me and the pacing was so slow I got bored but I did like the fact that it had anime-like qualities.

Does anyone have anything similar but the MC has cheat powers?

[Anonymous No.18194402]

>>18194364
Replying to bait is just as bad as posting it. Maybe worse.

[Anonymous No.18194439]

>>18194384


1. I've read 90% of the series you listed and all of those, while nice, are entry level. At least pick something like Shūzō Oshimi.
2. I've read the best manga, literature, film and tv have to offer. The average weeb has not. They only consume weeb culture.
3. The weebs aren't even talking about those series, they're talking about escapist garbage. So stop cherry picking.
4. Even Satoshi Kon or Naoki Urasawa still have a very low barrier to entry compared to books of any literary quality. The very fact that there are pretty pictures every step of the way admits juveniles like you.

[Anonymous No.18194454]

>>18194384
>I criticize light novels/webnovels/litrpgs
>you post manga/anime

Are you fucking illiterate? And there's literally a board for manga/anime you dunce.

[Anonymous No.18194460]

>>18194439
It's funny you're calling others immature juveniles, when it's quite clear you're one big phony and are totally posturing. But have at it, I care not for your navel-gazing narcissism and the supposed pomp your posts exhibit, it's clear you're a joke and a joke you will remain.

[Anonγmous No.18194508]

The nigger that split this thread doesn't even read.

[Anonymous No.18194563]

>>18194508
Nice b8 but don’t they say he is a Bakkeposter so he must read Bakker?

[Anonymous No.18194658]

>>18187614
I fucking hate generals but I must admit I've enjoyed the recommendations from these two threads, I hope that they stick around and become more than just a rejection of the avatar faggotry and spamming that's taken over /sffg/. Let's get back to the good old days when we produced charts, guides and other content.

[Anonymous No.18194864]

>>18191099
the night land

[Anonymous No.18194895]

Thoughts on Ray Bradbury and his books? Specifically The Martian Chronicles and Something Wicked This Way Comes?

[Anonymous No.18194905]

How do you guys make it through a book? It's like literally manga without images, so boring.

pic related it's what I look like when I try reading non-manga

[Anonymous No.18194924]

no one respond to the autistic tranny troll. do not feed it (you)s and it will shrivel up and 41%

[Anonymous No.18194927]

>>18194905
We don't read.

[Anonymous No.18194933]

>>18193215
I've never read Stephen Erikson's story in this one, really liked it

still hesitant about picking up Malazan though

[Anonymous No.18194942]

>>18194905
Why do you need pictures? They're usually worse than what you could imagine.
If you're a new reader you just need to take it easy the first few days, 30min a day then ask yourself if you want to keep going, then the next day maybe go even longer, and finally you can read all day. You're basically teaching your brain that reading is part of your life now.
Also don't start with a huge book from a huge series, start small and you'll feel some accomplishment when you're done.

[Anonymous No.18194945]

>>18194942
don't respond to bait faggot

[Anonymous No.18194954]

>>18194945
Don't tell me what to do seething retard.

[Anonymous No.18194968]

>>18194942
idk part of it is just that western stuff doesn't have enough plot and worldbuilding compared to manga. And the characters aren't really moe or any of the tropes I'm familiar with like yandere or kuudere.

[Anonymous No.18194969]

>>18194954
You just wasted all that time because you responded to a known troll who posts attention whoring shit and lies, and at best engages in bad faith shitposting when people respond sincerely.

You're being exploited by a scummy person who lives for (you)s.

[Anonymous No.18194987]

>>18194969
>on an anime site
>hates anime

Go back to reddt normie

[Anonymous No.18195014]

>>18194987
We don't hate anime, we hate you.

[Anonymous No.18195019]

>>18194439
>I've read the best manga, literature, film and tv have to offer.
What's your favorite Aleksei German's film, fellow patrician?

[Anonymous No.18195033]

>>18195014
>We don't hate anime

>>>/a/
>>>reddit.com/r/anime
>>>/gaia/
>>>/narutofan/
>>>/SAOgeneral/

[Anonymous No.18195056]

>>18194987
uh oh

[Anonymous No.18195129]

>>18189848
Having slept on it, my problem is that there was ZERO creation of a "faerie-like" atmosphere. The story was basically set in a country club where the people had weird names. I was looking for something with some kind of 'dark whimsy' that reflects some part of the human subconscious, but got none of it. Hell even some of the SNES JRPGs capture this better than this book
>>18189758
>You brought it upon yourself anon.
You are 100% correct.

[Anonymous No.18195150]

>>18194895
Pretty good.

[Anonymous No.18195183]

So wait, weebs were so annoying /sffg/, an already niche general, had to split into /wsffg/ to keep them at bay, even though they can still come here and plague the thread with their bullshit?

[Anonymous No.18195310]

>>18194658
I’m planning on keeping these quality threads and I’m happy to take more recommendations to the pastas.

[Anonymous No.18195318]

>>18195310
* keeping on doing

Sry drunk and phone posting

[Anonymous No.18195392]

Anyone have recommendedations for human - non-human diplomacy. Stuff like David Brin's uplift series and the "boring" parts of scalzi's Old Man's War always interests me so I'm looking to find more.

[Anonymous No.18195401]

>>18195392
Babylon 5

[Anonγmous No.18195599]

>>18194563
All he does is repost quotes

[Anonymous No.18195720]

Is it gay to buy vintage mass market paperbacks?

[Anonγmous No.18195785]

>why yes, I do only exclusively post in /wsffg/, however could you tell?

[Anonymous No.18195835]

>>18195720
no, its based. A lot of the old masters don't have modern reprints so getting the vintage ones is always nice

[Anonymous No.18196052]

>why yes i am mentally ill and like to post avatar anime in every thread and link chinkshit.

[Anonγmous No.18196095]

>>18196052
Your issues are so much more deep seated than people talking about books you don't like on an anime image board.

[Anonymous No.18196125]

>Your issues are so much more deep seated than people talking about books you don't like on an anime image board.

[Anonymous No.18196219]

>Truth shines!

[Anonymous No.18196274]

>>18186991
Based

>>18188100
Tolkien was shit, Borges was deep. Cope

[Anonymous No.18196303]

>>18194895
Reddit

>>18194905
I don't. No good fantasy has come out in the last 20 years. Except Kingkiller Chronicles

>>18195785
Easy there redditranny

[Anonymous No.18196374]

>>18196303
>Except Kingkiller Chronicles
someone post it

[Anonymous No.18196395]

[Anonymous No.18196628]

>>18196395
>>18196395
This just makes it even better. He managed to write a masterpiece with a cuckold protagonist. It shows his true quality as a writer
Fags like Tolkien have to make their characters buff swordsmen or magical elves. Meanwhile Pat makes his MC a duck and still dabs on most fantasy

[Anonγmous No.18196648]

>>18196125
Back to /v/

[Anonγmous No.18196689]

Everytime I read a more-recent /sffg/ novel with a female protagonist, I feel like I'm just helping the author jerk off to his OC waifu
Female authors not included ofc

[Anonγmous No.18196728]

>Bakkerfag when he realizes that he's closer to cutting off his cock than any of the anime posters on /sffg/

[Anonymous No.18196730]

>>18196395
>>18196374
d-do you think she had sex with them? they never went to third base right?

[Anonymous No.18196768]

>>18194968
>>18194905
western stuff is only plot and worldbuilding. Manga is what lacks in those areas. There are hardly any descriptions about the world in manga, only the most general outline to move the plot. And the plot in a manga are usually just reasons for the next fight sequence, or some harem flag triggering shit. Theres very rarely depth of characters and you dont usually get a peak into what they are thinking, you can only make general assumptions by their actions. Once you start reading books youll understand how shallow manga characters really are and how lacking of detail the world they live in is for the reader.
If you want some manga style action climax scenes i would recommend way of kings. Sanderson writes very manga esque scenes where you have the "epic" or "gar" moment shine out.

[Anonymous No.18196921]

>>18191146
the mote in god's eye

[Anonymous No.18196942]

>>18196395
Every fucking time kek

[Anonymous No.18196964]

>>18186898
any good books on worldbuilding?

[Anonymous No.18196989]

Mark S. Geston's "Out of the Mouth of the Dragon" was pretty good.

[Anonymous No.18197067]

>>18196964
Bakker’s worldbuilding is very good

[Anonymous No.18197197]

>>18196628
>Meanwhile Pat makes his MC a duck and still dabs on most fantasy

[Anonymous No.18197205]

>>18197197
The only thing Fat dabs is his greasy fuckin face after slurping the bull's load.

[Anonymous No.18197335]

>>18195129
>Having slept on it, my problem is that there was ZERO creation of a "faerie-like" atmosphere. The story was basically set in a country club where the people had weird names. I was looking for something with some kind of 'dark whimsy' that reflects some part of the human subconscious, but got none of it.

I think... I think I may need to take a pass on this one, then. Too bad.

[Anonymous No.18197734]

>>18197335
The female YA author wasn't already enough of a clue? I mean, she is obviously going to be writing for her audience, and her audience is teenage girls.

[Anonymous No.18197811]

>>18197734
It wasn't in the YA section, and nothing I saw explicitly described it as such. I was more concerned that it might be softcore porn for wine aunts.

Was hoping to get back into fantasy after overcoming my biases against genre fiction, saw it on a bookshelf, thought the cover was tasteful (the alternate cover is not good. I'm a firm believer in judging a book by its cover), and saw that it dealt with old-school fey, which I'd like to read about.