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>Tfw I finally realize that the reason that "START WITH THE GREEKS" is a meme that gets posted a lot is because most if not all western thinking and philosophy stems from Greek philosophy including some aspects of Christianity.

>> No.16114043

But doesn't Plato's stuff actually originate from the Egyptians?

>> No.16114050

You're just figuring this out now?

>> No.16114055

>>16114033
You must be some sort of whiz kid.

>> No.16114062

>>16114050
Yeah, did you like my selfie reaction by the way? I made it myself.

>> No.16114063

>>16114050
i thought about it after i was cleaning the cum off my belly in my post fap shower this morning

>> No.16114067

>>16114033
>t. didn't start with the Sumerians

>> No.16114084
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>>16114033
>NOOOOOOOO IT'S BECAUSE THIS BOARD IS FULL OF PSEUDS WHO HAVE NEVER TAKEN A PHILOSOPHY CLASS BEFORE REEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>> No.16114111

>>16114067
>t. Didn't start with the cave paintings of lascaux

>> No.16114177

Greeks are not the first first, but they are the first best. Nothing before them is objectively superior, and same after is not rooted in them to some degree.

>> No.16114187

>>16114084
That too.

>> No.16115149

bump

>> No.16115273

>>16114033
It's because the Greeks were the only truly wise, rational thinkers before Europe was intellectually stunted for nearly two millennia because of Chr*stianity

>> No.16115294

>>16114043
Not really
This is a meme propagated by perennials
If you want to start drawing up percentages, Egyptian thought doesn't even make up 10% of the platonic system if there can be said to be a platonic system

>> No.16115309

>>16114033
the meme should be "Start with Socrates/Plato" since nobody ever reads the pre-Socratics until well after finishing every other Greek thinker

>> No.16115310

>>16114111
checked

>> No.16115336

>>16114033
>that post
>>Tfw
>.
weak bait

>> No.16116316

>>16115309
What's the point of reading all that shit? Couldn't I just think about life really hard and come to the same conclusion?

>> No.16116335

>>16114050
this.
>>16114033
i thought it was kinda self explainitory op.

>> No.16116491

I wanted to become a farmer, they told me to start with the leeks

>> No.16116526

>>16116491
I wanted to be a coomer, they told me start with the chinks

>> No.16116533

>>16116526
Chink doesn't rhyme with Greek you fucking illiterate.

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>>16116526
Should've said twinks

>> No.16116549

>>16114084
Entry level philo classes in college aren't difficult though? Are you implying you are smart because you took some random philo college class which spoonfeeds retards almost literally holding their hand? LOL

>> No.16116559

>>16114033
The old testament was written in Greek and the ideas therein a reconciliation with neoplatonism.

>> No.16116574
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16116574

>go to wiki
>plato, Socrates, Aristotle
>contribution to philosophy: invented it
>my face when

>> No.16116584

>>16114033
You don't need to start with the Greeks. That idea comes from the Christian historical obsession with finding first causes of things, which are not really relevant. Now they are even trying to extend it further back to the Egyptians like some other guy said. Modern philosophers may have used Greek philosophy as a springboard for their ideas but have developed their thought in ways unrecognizable to Greek thinking.

Start with Descartes should be the meme, it even rhymes. The point of his philosophy was to start afresh anyway. Which, by the way, was made necessary after Aristotle's physics were proven false by Copernicus and Galileo.

>> No.16116586

>>16116549
I'm not at all interested in a major or minor in philosophy, but I wanted to take an into class just to have a clear sense of direction with who to start with and what works of their to read.
But all of the first-year philosophy classes advertise themselves as teaching you how to discuss with a philisophical mindset against your braindead classmates, and introduce you to topics such as "do good and evil exist" and other trolley problem-tier quandries.
Philosophy in college and university is a complete joke, just read the books yourself and save the time and money otherwise wasted. There are better subjects to dip into for anyone looking for elective credits.
Which philosopher do I start with and which of their works?

>> No.16116589

Greek philosophy
roman law
Abrahamic religion

>> No.16116593

>>16114033
congrats
have you learned that peepee goes in vagoo yet

>> No.16116620

>>16116593
huh!?

>> No.16116628

>>16116586
I started with pre socratic stuff and then plato to aristotle

>> No.16117009

>>16114033
NO.

It’s about starting with HOMER and to a lesser extent Hesiod, and then the playwrights, then Herodotus and Thucydides and all the rest.
Philosophy is a thing you can get into, but it’s not necessary.
Christianity is degeneracy

>> No.16118047

>>16114033
how's middle school going?

>> No.16119410

>>16114033
There are people who didn't know this? Also I read a bit of Plato and now I'm reading Nietzsche and I doubt that I'm getting all of the references to Platonism but just a little bit did fine, and I can always go back, so I think that the whole "start with the Greeks" meme is dumb and if you fallow it too strictly you'll just make yourself hate reading.

>> No.16119445

>>16119410
If you don't follow it and jump on whatever philosophers being posted on /lit/ a lot you are a poser. Posers half ass things to fit in which you are doing

>> No.16119572

>>16114033
Nice.
People here are, of course, going to be shitty about the fact that you've only just realized this but you should be happy to have had this essential insight, because learning is great.

>>16116584
Wrong. For philosophy plato and aristotle are essential - read some of each and then you can happily consider yourself to have finished "starting with the greeks" and read some moderns if you want to, because you don't need to read philosophy strictly chronologically (you would never get to any contemporary stuff, and it would be quite dull).

>> No.16119657

>>16115294
This. they want to retcon western civ.

this is "we waz king" shit combined with "what you think about history was actually wrong... well not really but if you look close.." combined with hating white people.

>> No.16119673

>>16114033
Wait, it's "Start with the Greeks?" I thought you guys were saying "Start with the geeks," and I was like, "But they're all geeks!" Now I just feel foolish. That's some real egg on MySpace.

>> No.16119687

>>16116584
> Christian historical obsession with finding first causes of things
Which started with Aristotle which you wouldn't know if you didnt start with the greeks

>> No.16119693

>>16114033
>OP does a think

>> No.16119736

>>16116589
>Abrahamic
buddhist

>> No.16121065

>>16116316
Sure, but there's little reason to build a house from saw and hammer when power tools exist.

>> No.16122712

>>16114111
>lascaux
still believes the 'paleolithic revolution' narrative