/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.13777549]

Ok I'll admit, he was spot-on in that the death of religion was decisive for the rise of nihilism, but what was his solution?

[Anonymous No.13777557]

>>13777549
Make ur own values

Just b urself

[Anonymous No.13777560]

The appolonian and dionysian

[Anonymous No.13777563]

>but what was his solution
the übermensch is his solution; have you read anything from him at all?

[Anonymous No.13777566]

>>13777549
To create your own morals and to trascend plebs and peasants and kings alike.

[Anonymous No.13777572]

>>13777549
His solution was too much to expect of plebs. His autism blinded him. Nihilism is the end.

[Anonymous No.13777578]

>>13777557
What if i don't give a shit about anything? Not trying to be edgy, but I seriously don't find happiness in friends or family or browsing 4chan, they're all 0 value to me. What do i do then?

[Anonymous No.13777586]

>>13777549
>what was his solution?
The transvaluation of all values, obviously. The death of religion isn't the end of value-making.

[Anonymous No.13777595]

>>13777549
He couldn't discern it, that role was to eventually fall upon Guenon

[Anonymous No.13777597]

>>13777595
just give it up already

[Anonymous No.13777600]

>>13777578
no-one finds happiness in browsing this godforsaken website, you autist

[Anonymous No.13777669]

>>13777549
shamanism

[Anonymous No.13777677]

>>13777586
Thank you my man.

[Anonymous No.13777686]

Keiji Nishitani — The Self-Overcoming of Nihilism.

[Anonymous No.13777699]

chaos magick

[Anonymous No.13777707]

>>13777549
Crucified Dionysus.

[Anonymous No.13777719]

Read Moby Dick maybe?

[Anonymous No.13777753]

>>13777549
the merciless extermination of everything degenerating and parasitic, to make possible again that excess of life on earth from which the Dionysian state will again grow

[Anonymous No.13777756]

>>13777549
If you plonked Nietzsche into the 21st century and asked him who best exemplifies his philosophy, he would point to the average slut on the street. I’m not saying that to attack Neetch, it turns out that women are so retarded that they’re immune to nihilism. He’d probably think their anti-intellectualism is great fun

[Anonymous No.13777767]

>>13777595
And what was the solution Guenon came up with ?

[Anonymous No.13777772]

>>13777777
fuck christcucks

[Anonymous No.13777773]

>>13777756
Animals are immune to nihilism too, doesn't mean they're Neetschean

[Anonymous No.13777777]

fuck christcucks

[Anonymous No.13777782]

>>13777777
based hexa

[Anonymous No.13777783]

>>13777767
He dealt with it by smoking Tibetan kush

[Anonymous No.13777784]

>>13777777
okay buddy

[Anonymous No.13777785]

>>13777756
>and asked him who best exemplifies his philosophy, he would point to the average slut on the street.
I don't think you've read him... Plus there were already street whores in his time. His point is not that nihilism exists and we should revel in it, but rather that nihilism exists and we should do something about it.

[Anonymous No.13777786]

>>13777557
>>13777566
There is no call to action in Nietzsches work, he didnt want the average normie to suddenly "create his own values", matter of fact he thought that the fundemental nature of people was relatively unchangable. The herdsman and the last man were according to Nietzsche stuck in their predicament, hence their failure to listen to Zarathustras warnings. Transvaluation was something that only the Overman could do, and the overman wasnt something someone "became" but something new born in the future entirely.
This whole "create your own values" is american pop philosophy that is found in comics and emraced by hedonists. Dont listen to these retards and read Nietzsche yourself.

[Anonymous No.13777792]

>>13777777
cringe and fedorascriptpilled

[Anonymous No.13777796]

>>13777772
>>13777777
nice

>>13777578
Aquire cash and make others happy because it feels better than anything else to do both. Create a beautiful reality around you, then create a family and let others bask within the earthly heaven you bought them into

[Anonymous No.13777799]

>>13777792
not necessarily scripted. /lit/ isn't the fastest board so it's possible

[Anonymous No.13777804]

>>13777786
Get ready to be called a pseud. People can't stand anyone pointing out that Nietzsche isn't actually the "no rules" anarchist champion of the underdogs of the modern social order that the postmodernists told them he was.

[Anonymous No.13777808]

>>13777777
BASED get and the cleansing light this board needs
>reminder that the only Christian died on the cross

[Anonymous No.13777828]

>>13777786
that awkward moment when "american pop philosophy" was more correct than Nietzsche

[Anonymous No.13777854]

>>13777804
>Systematic falsification of great human beings, the great creators, the great epochs:
one desires that faith should be the distinguishing mark of the great: but slackness, skepticism, "immorality," the right to throw off a faith, belong to greatness (Caesar, also Homer, Aristophanes, Leonardo, Goethe). One always suppresses the main thing, their "freedom of will"—Will to Power, Book Two: 380 (transl. Kaufmann)
He kind of was, but not in the way that you mean.

[Anonymous No.13777862]

>>13777804
>Systematic falsification of great human beings, the great creators, the great epochs: one desires that faith should be the distinguishing mark of the great: but slackness, skepticism, "immorality," the right to throw off a faith, belong to greatness (Caesar, also Homer, Aristophanes, Leonardo, Goethe). One always suppresses the main thing, their "freedom of will"—Will to Power, Book Two: 380 (transl. Kaufmann)
He kind of was, but not in the way that you mean.

[Anonymous No.13777886]

>>13777862
He was for his time, but not for the modern social order. The postmodernists, neo-Christians, anarchists, and also the Marxists and communists, like to misappropriate him on this, because they come from a position of desperation.

[Anonymous No.13777896]

>>13777777
fuck nihilists
fuck misanthropes
fuck anti-natalists
fuck atheists
fuck pessimists

[Anonymous No.13777897]

>>13777783
oh peculiar

[Anonymous No.13777901]

>>13777896
>fuck pessimists
t. optimistc retard

[Anonymous No.13777909]

>>13777886
Not sure exactly what you mean by all that. Perhaps you've just watched too much Kermit Memerson and throw around some meme labels.

[Anonymous No.13777910]

>>13777808
Died and was REBORN. God is dying in this world but the Judgement Day will come

[Anonymous No.13777917]

>>13777910
Based and redpilled. Satan is the prince of this world right now, but he'll be cast down to the lake of fire.

[Anonymous No.13777919]

>>13777909
>Not sure exactly what you mean by all that.
Read more then.

[Anonymous No.13777928]

>>13777777
Ok, this is based

[Anonymous No.13777933]

>>13777919
Funny how you left out how the fact that the actual Nazis LITERALLY misappropriated his ideas. But it's not cool when your boogeymen allegedly do it.

[Anonymous No.13777936]

I think this is the closest to a clearly stated "solution" to nihilism you'll find in Nietzsche. WTP section 585 A

[Anonymous No.13777941]

>>13777777
>wasting these digits on a reddit tier reply

[Anonymous No.13777948]

>>13777549
His solution was a final one.

[Anonymous No.13777960]

>>13777933
Nazis =/= Hitler. Hitler didn't misappropriate his ideas.

[Anonymous No.13777962]

>>13777777

[Anonymous No.13777965]

>>13777960
Nice strawman.

[Anonymous No.13777981]

>>13777965
Do you know what a strawman is? I'm telling you that Hitler, the man BEHIND the Nazis, the ACTUAL Nazi, didn't misappropriate his ideas. Or can you tell me how he did? Do you even have an idea as to what Hitler himself thought? There's a difference between the thinking Hitler and the speaking Hitler. Being a successful leader requires putting on a show.

[Anonymous No.13777985]

>>13777777
Holy
Based

Based hex's of mega truth

[Anonymous No.13778003]

>>13777773
They are kinda apolyniac

[Anonymous No.13778013]

>>13777777

[Anonymous No.13778023]

>>13777777
kek, based digits of truth

[Anonymous No.13778033]

>>13777777
based

[Anonymous No.13778038]

>>13777777
the chemo saving /lit/

[Anonymous No.13778040]

>>13777777
BASED

[Anonymous No.13778052]

>>13777981
I literally never mentioned Hitler. I said the Nazis. If you say the Nazis didn't misappropiate his ideas because Hitler didn't do it then your boogeymen ("postmodernists", neo-Christians, anarchists, Marxists and communists), with an even bigger reason also didn't misappropiate his ideas. You can't have it both ways: you either give some ground and admit that the Nazis also misappropiated his ideas or youd admit that you were wrong and nobody misappropiate his ideas.

I'd presume you're biased and don't care about logic but I want to see what you have to say in your defence.

[Anonymous No.13778054]

>>13777777
this kills the christcuck

[Anonymous No.13778078]

>>13778052
The Nazis (i.e. Hitler) didn't misappropriate his ideas, and that would have been learned in due time, had they won the war.

[Anonymous No.13778083]

>>13777777
why god, why have you abandoned us?

[Anonymous No.13778108]

>>13778078
The point is that Hitler was not the only Nazi. And if group needs that only their leader misappropiates ideas from someone then your boogeymen didn't misappropiate anything (your so-called "postmodernists" exist only in your mind, much less have a leader). Also make up your fucking mind. First you say "Nazis =/= Hitler." (>>13777960) and then you say "The Nazis (i.e. Hitler)" (>>13778078). You change this view according to what fits your argument at the time. Just admit you sympathize with the Nazis.

[Anonymous No.13778109]

>>13777549
Just make your own dogmas and sheet lmao

[Anonymous No.13778116]

>>13777786
>This whole "create your own values" is american pop philosophy
it comes from sartre

[Anonymous No.13778117]

Nietzsche's "solution" of creating your own values is still meaningless if you cannot transcend a supposedly meaningless world. So true meaning must come from elsewhere. The only true solution is to identify with God and be at peace, all other things are merely temporary tricks. Practicing Nietzschean philosophy in the form of strengthening your ego and dividing yourself against the rest of the world will only harm you, which is why nearly all of his disciples are basically crazy retards for various reasons.

[Anonymous No.13778122]

>>13777772
>>13777777
Precog-posting and hexes? Unutterably based.
The content of such a post automatically and retrospectively becomes true.

[Anonymous No.13778136]

>>13777785
You misunderstood anon, he was arguing that sluts on the street are not nihilistic, rather they're naively dionysian. Think of the average travelthot/festivalthot:
She's actually still full of youthful vitality and always ready to enjoy herself at the expenses of conventional morality, financial restraints and worries about the future. This is no master morality, but still closer to it (and to the Dionysian) than any intellectual trend (a kind of trend Nietzsche warned us about) right now.

[Anonymous No.13778148]

>>13777828
But that pop philosophy is cucked, "create your own values" in that mindset actually means "pursue what youe enjoy within the confines of the mainstream American bourgeois morality".

[Anonymous No.13778153]

>>13778136
Nietzsche didn't think highly of women, much less street whores, even less to admire them.

[Anonymous No.13778160]

>>13778117
See >>13777936

[Anonymous No.13778164]

>>13778136

you'd have to be a complete fucking moron to believe this. the dionysian life is one of theurgy, not of stupid sluts with zero concept of god

[Anonymous No.13778174]

>>13777981
Appropriation isn't about what you believe in your heart of heart, it's about the discourse you and behavior you uphold in public. If you're using mock-nietzschean phrasing you're appropriating Nietzsche, regardless of what you actually think about him.

[Anonymous No.13778179]

>>13778003
*dyonisiac

[Anonymous No.13778185]

>>13777549
Just reproduce capital bro. You now got objective measure of your life´s success.

[Anonymous No.13778186]

>>13778108
Dude, what the fuck is your point?

>You change this view according to what fits your argument at the time.
My view didn't change, only the wording of it, because you don't get it and are nitpicking over inane shit not even related to what I'm saying. What I meant by my original distinction was that "the Nazis" is a strawman created by the press / media and what they were really doing wasn't a misappropriation of his ideas at all, but the closest anyone's ever gotten to trying to realize his ideas in a manageable political system.

What do you think they were doing and which of his ideas do you think they were misappropriating? I'm sure your answer to these questions will confirm what I just asserted above. It's already been said what was misappropriated of him from the rest, but you haven't said this at all for the Nazis.

[Anonymous No.13778192]

>>13778153
Nobody is talking about admiration here, and to think Nietzsche would value street whores below other women displays a rather non-nietzschean outlook.
He also wrote almost word for word that in due time women could come to be able to do almost anything a man can do.

[Anonymous No.13778199]

>>13778160

he's saying that since everything is an emanation of God, everything is god, and therefore your ability to dominate the world is the true measure of your godliness, which is wrong. it is actually your identification and nothing more

[Anonymous No.13778214]

>>13778164
You clearly haven't read enough Nietzsche. When talking about anti-semites he said he found their anti-semitism and their resentfulness stupid, but that if they were doing it merely to get the Jews' wealth for themselves, then it was merely common greed, something he could actually respect (iirc he says that in Genealogy of Morals). Having "zero concept of god" or following base instincts wasn't necessarily a bad thing in his book, though it wasn't necessarily the best.

The dionysian life has little to do with theurgy in the neoplatonic sense. It's a particular form of exertion of will, it's less about belief and knowledge and more about vitality and relationship to impulses. Less thinking can actually do you good according to Nietzsche's view.

[Anonymous No.13778218]

>>13778117
You haven't understood Nietzsche until you've understood that meaninglessness itself is a value that is being posited. Nihilism is a psychological condition.

[Anonymous No.13778238]

>>13778186
>What I meant by my original distinction was that "the Nazis" is a strawman created by the press / media and what they were really doing wasn't a misappropriation of his ideas at all, but the closest anyone's ever gotten to trying to realize his ideas in a manageable political system.
The Nazis were pretty much real (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism)) and Hitler wasn't the only one. Are you seriously arguing that the Nazis were a "strawman created by the press / media" but your "postmodernists" are absolutely real? You're beyond delusional. Also, Nietzsche's sister (who was a member of the literal Nazi Party) perverted his posthumous publications in order so they could fit Nazism, and then many other Nazis had incorrectly followed such views by the time she died. They LITERALLY misappropiated Nietzsche in the most fundamental way possible.

[Anonymous No.13778244]

>>13777699

[Anonymous No.13778249]

>>13777777
based

[Anonymous No.13778260]

>>13777756
Being immune to nihilism also means you didn't overcome it. Sluts are kind of disqualified here.

[Anonymous No.13778269]

>>13778186
Not him but
>mistaking the "splendid blond beast" for the aryan when it's actually the man living according to master morality
>confusing military power and training with exertion of strength in the Nietzschean sense (cf. Thus Spake Zarathustra "I see a lot of soldiers, but not many warriors")
>asserting the legitimacy of the state in possessing peoples, bodies and minds (Nietzsche: "Everything the State possess, it has stolen")
>confusing obedience to a bureaucratic state apparatus to a return to the primeval and natural (Nietzche: "The State is the coldest of cold mosnters")
>building an entire campaign (and then racial policy) on resent, and calling that affirmation when Nietzsche singled out resent as the epitome of negative (as opposed to assertive) Will to Power
>grounding their regimen on populism, industrialization, and the satisfaction of economical needs (the "socialistic" part of National-Socialism) when Nietzsche was distrustful of the masses
>exalting Germany above all other nations when Nietzsche abundantly mocked the "Deutshland über Alles" mentality (see for instance Generalogy of Morals where he uses that very sentence derisively)
>mistaking the planners-bureacrats of the Nazi regime for the new aristocracy, when Nietzsche's conception of aristocracy was much closer to the French moralist of the XVIIth century

It goes on and on. All the above is either misappropriation of Nietzsche or blatantly contradictory with his thought (and a lot of it is more Heideggerian is a loose sense). The very ideas of "realizing his ideas in a manageable political system" runs counter to the fundamental impulse of Nietzsche's philosophy. If the Nazis had raped his corpse they would not have done much worse.
There is no real philosophical basis for Nazism, at best it's a mix of cherry-picked and badly used nietzscheism plus bogged down heideggerianism plus misunderstood Fichte and a quite a few borrowings from Mussolini.

[Anonymous No.13778271]

>>13778260
They're out of the philosophical race but also better for it.

[Anonymous No.13778274]

>>13777777
Hail Odin

[Anonymous No.13778280]

>>13778271
Yeah maybe in terms of personal happiness but regardless, Nietzsche's philosophy doesn't apply to them.

[Anonymous No.13778287]

>>13778280
>being a street whore is happiness
okay lads, enough /lit/ for me.

[Anonymous No.13778308]

>>13778238
>Are you seriously arguing that the Nazis were a "strawman created by the press / media" but your "postmodernists" are absolutely real?
Yeah, because we actually have the writings of those people to confirm they were full of shit. Have you read Derrida, Lyotard, Baudrillard, Rorty? Or Marxists like Benjamin and Adorno, who were desperate to undermine Nietzsche however they could. Meanwhile, everyone talks out of their ass about the Nazis all the damn time. Like you, who didn't answer my questions.

>Also, Nietzsche's sister (who was a member of the literal Nazi Party) perverted his posthumous publications in order so they could fit Nazism, and then many other Nazis had incorrectly followed such views by the time she died.
This has long since been taken care of. You sound as if you haven't read the man yourself. He wrote, all the time, passages which coherently tie into what the Nazis were planning and doing, none of which support anything the Marxists or the postmodernists tried doing. And I hope I don't have to provide any explanation regarding how neo-Christians and anarchists (who Nietzsche explicitly states are ideologically related) misappropriate him.

[Anonymous No.13778329]

>>13778214
>>13778218

absolutely unconcerned with your idea that i haven't read enough Nietzsche, I'm here to say that he's wrong in his analysis, and in the fruit that his philosophical tree has started to bear. I'm not interested in winning an argument within his framework either, I've seen for myself that there is much more to be understood

meanwhile, as far as your actual argument is concerned, even Nietzsche argued that the supposed duality of Dionysus and Apollo needs to be mediated between each other. there isn't anything wrong with having fun, but distortion whole excessive love of the Dionysian on this board in particular is just Satanism for people that are too smart for Satanism. also, meaninglessness of the world is not just a psychological thing, it is more of a metaphysical position. the only point that I'm trying to make is that Nietzsche disregarded that there is a world to be transcended, while better philosophies don't

[Anonymous No.13778337]

>>13778269
>that entire list
Again, being a successful leader means putting on a good show for the people. Your failure to understand this is precisely why you point these things out as somehow an indication that they (as in Hitler, their head) were misappropriating Nietzsche. If you wanted to show that they were you'd have to point to what their long term plans were, not their propaganda during wartime. You could focus on such details for men like Borgia and Napoleon, who Nietzsche highly esteemed, and make the same case that they were contradictory to what Nietzsche thought, which should tell you that the process by which you're going about this is wrong.

[Anonymous No.13778349]

>>13777753
>can you describe the Dionysian state?

[Anonymous No.13778360]

>>13777777
BASTE
Heill Óðinn

[Anonymous No.13778399]

>>13778260
Sluts aren't immune to nihilism, their whoring is probably even a consequence of it. >>13777756
How would being dumb allow someone to exemplify his philosophy? Nietzsche was a huge advocate of reflection and actual thinking. "Retarded" people who never think are 'programmed' by their culture to think and act in ways that are only injurious to them.

[Anonymous No.13778401]

>>13777799
allah just wanted his will known

[Anonymous No.13778427]

>>13778199
I just reread that section, there are no pantheistic undertones.

[Anonymous No.13778772]

>>13778038
That still makes atheism a poison.

>>13778054
>repeating numbers on a toilet-bowl yodeling Eritrean forum kills "the Christcuck" boogeyman I've created for myself

>>13778083
It's pixels on a screen, nigga.

>>13778360
Aaaaand the special ed kids of religion have joined the thread

[Anonymous No.13778828]

>>13778772
>It's pixels on a screen, nigga.
is not the whole universe the xpression of godx himselfx?

[Old Man No.13778830]

>>13778828
Did the worm on the apple come from the tree?

[Anonymous No.13778849]

>>13778830
as the expert on the tree, you should tell me

[Anonymous No.13779012]

>>13777578
its impossible to be a living human and not give a shit about anything. even if it is your own survival that still branches off to other things that constitute survival apart from mere substinence living. you probably actually love your parents and friends and just need to know what its like to be away from them and have no way of contacting them to really appreciate it.

give more, expect less. youre not special youre down here in the dirt with the rest of us and thats okay.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !mxvabIoSIE No.13779242]

>>13777777

[Anonymous No.13779256]

>>13778772
its afraid

[Anonymous No.13779325]

>>13777578
Well, you're still alive so you obviously care about yourself. Take responsibility for yourself and correct the things in your life you can correct to better yourself. Just starting with this will drastically improve your quality of life. Otherwise you'll spiral into anxiety and depression simply because your lazy and don't gaf.

[Anonymous No.13779350]

>>13778280
It certainly does, Nietzsche's philosophy is about not restricting yourself to rationality.
>>13778287
Not happiness, dyonisian life (happiness is for cucks from a Nietzschean perspective).
>>13778308
>which coherently tie into what the Nazis were planning and doing, none of which support anything the Marxists or the postmodernists tried doing.

You'll need a wealth of citations on that. The philosophical heirs of Nietzsche are the "postmodernists" (among others), while the Nazis are the philosophical heirs of nobody. And why do you even mention Adorno? He's a post-Hegelian, he's answering to Hegel and Marx and the greater project of the Enlightenment, not to Nietzsche. He's completely irrelevant here.

>>13778329
We're in a Nietzsche thread, obviously when we're talking about the Dionysian it's implicit that we're using Nietzsche's concept of it. You want to argue that it's a misrepresentation of the actual Dionysian, but it has no bearing on the question of whether the average prole/whore in the street live in way that can be considered in accordance with Nietzsche's philosophy.

>there isn't anything wrong with having fun, but distortion whole excessive love of the Dionysian on this board
Dionysian is about more than having fun, though it can include that in some respect. And this board hasn't been very Dionysian lately, it's evenly split between nihilistic degenerates and stuck up puritains.

>>13778337
And, again, it doesn't matter what the real intentions of the leader are. If you're building an entire propaganda on a misreading of a philosopher, you're misappropriating his ideas, even if you're doing it consciously and with ulterior motives.

>Your failure to understand this
I understand it easily, the problem is you not understanding that it is irrelevant.

> somehow an indication that they were misappropriating
It's not an "indication", it's a textbook example of misappropriation. For the third time, intentions here don't matter. If you steal from someone you've robbed them, having done so with a good purpose in mind doesn't make it any less of a robbery.

> If you wanted to show that they were you'd have to point to what their long term plans were
I showed you their actual policy. Not only the propaganda, but what they implemented once in power. And their long-term plans mostly involved ethnic replacement of most of Europe with people of Germanic origin, with supposedly some form of racial 'aristocracy" on top. So that's ethno-imperialism if you will, something Nietzsche spoke derisively about, particularly concerning Germans.

>that they were contradictory to what Nietzsche thought
None of them claimed to use Nietzsche's ideas, and for Napoleon NIetzsche explicitly said he was a mix of master and slave morality. Your thinking is very imprecise here.

>>13778399
Nietzsche would sometimes speak of consciousness with contempt. If he was an advocate of anything it wasn't reflexion (at best "rumination" as he puts it).

[Anonymous No.13779488]

>>13778013
This is you, kike

[Anonymous No.13779538]

>>13779350
"Nietzsche would sometimes speak of consciousness with contempt. If he was an advocate of anything it wasn't reflexion (at best "rumination" as he puts it)."

From The Gay Science:

Architecture for Thinkers. An insight is needed (and that probably very soon) as to what is specially lacking in our great cities - namely, quiet, spacious, and widely extended places for reflection, places with long, lofty colonnades for bad weather, or for too sunny days, where no noise of wagons or of shouters would penetrate, and where a more refined propriety would prohibit loud praying even to the priest: buildings and situations which as a whole would express the sublimity of self-communion and seclusion from the world. The time is past when the Church possessed the monopoly of reflection, when the vita contemplativa had always in the first place to be the vita religiosa: and everything that the Church has built expresses this thought. I know not how we could content ourselves with their structures, even if they should be divested of their ecclesiastical purposes: these structures speak a far too pathetic and too biassed speech, as houses of God and places of splendour for supernatural intercourse, for us godless ones to be able to think our thoughts in them. We want to have ourselves translated into stone and plant, we want to go for a walk in ourselves when we wander in these halls and gardens.

I don't think Nietzsche views anything as black and white -- there are benefits and costs associated with thinking, but he definitely wasn't an advocate against reflection.

[Anonymous No.13779642]

>>13779538
I stand corrected then, though it looks more like something he'd want for himself and other like-minded than something he advocates in general.
You are very much right about him not thinking in black and white (though thinking in shades of gray is even more anathema to him).

>he definitely wasn't an advocate against reflection
Perhaps consciousness of self-consciousness is a better term. He was very critical of the tendency to put rationality and reflexion above others aspects of life, and he often associated the unhealthiness of the modern age with an emphasis on abstract thought.

But perhaps that's another example of his opposing leisurely, aristocratic practices with tryhard endeavours, "rumination and reflection" rather than "mental laboring'

[Anonymous No.13779965]

>>13777777
Wowza,

>>13777549
Use the force of your will to love your fate and become angelic (trancscend the condition of being human).

[Anonymous No.13779977]

>>13777777
based

[Anonymous No.13780169]

>>13777786
If you did not hear the call to act Nietzsche... it only was not meant for you.

[Anonymous No.13780327]

>>13777777
Checked and Based

[Anonymous No.13780403]

>>13777549

>but what was his solution?

Edgy variation of the buddhist preaching, basically religion again.

[Anonymous No.13781010]

>>13777777
based

[Anonymous No.13781385]

>>13777777

[Anonymous No.13781391]

>>13777777
Amen

[Anonymous No.13781670]

>>13779350
>The philosophical heirs of Nietzsche are the "postmodernists" (among others), while the Nazis are the philosophical heirs of nobody.
Hitler was in the process of creating a united Europe that would be structurally built from the ground up to systematically combat all forms of racial / ideological homogeneity, exactly what Nietzsche sought (race and ideology being one and the same for him). The Nazis were only exterminating the more rambunctious Jews and were preparing to export the rest of them outside of the country to another place that they would control, and after that was done, they planned to move on and do the same to the Muslims, and then much later the Christians and further and further every possible ideological race one could make distinct. Every other narrative was fabricated by the media, mostly by the English and the aforementioned Jews during wartime.

The postmodernists, meanwhile, ran with their partial understanding of Nietzsche's "there are no facts, only interpretations." It's common among the postmodernists to address matters of society, morality, language, meaning, art, etc.—everything previously analyzed as having an "objective" structure underpinning its effects which must be discovered and theorized—as if there IS NO structure at all. But this is not what Nietzsche meant by that statement; rather, that there IS a structure, and that structure is not limited by the "subject vs. object" formulation which had stemmed from the Christian scientists and scholars. Quantum science adheres to this structure that he saw, and is in the process of theorizing it. The postmodernists didn't fully understand Nietzsche and thought he meant that their imagination was allowed to run wild because the universe is as malleable as their imagination, and we see that they thought precisely that based on what they wrote, and what their successors ended up writing, who now fill up the universities with their art criticism and historical revision that is so debased even random people on the street can see that they are full of shit.

>And, again, it doesn't matter what the real intentions of the leader are. If you're building an entire propaganda on a misreading of a philosopher, you're misappropriating his ideas, even if you're doing it consciously and with ulterior motives.
It 100% matters what the real intentions are because that's the only way you're going to understand what it is they're building. The propaganda is not representing what is being built, it's merely a means—something which Nietzsche was fine with considering he admired Machiavelli's politics and Napoleon's militarism. Do you not understand what it takes to create something? Nietzsche understood it quite well. Creation requires SACRIFICE and it even requires DESTRUCTION AND MALEVOLENCE (see Zarathustra's The Night Song). The sun gives life to all; it also annihilates everything too close to it.

[Anonymous No.13781992]

>>13777777
baste

[Anonymous No.13782209]

>>13777578
find your true will in life

[Anonymous No.13782218]

>>13777777
this, follow your own path, have the ambition as your greatest ally agaisnt mediocrity

[Anonymous No.13782232]

>>13777936
basically this

http://www.thelemapedia.org/index.php/True_Will#True_Will

[Anonymous No.13782442]

>>13777586
this, meta-religion as the human singularity

[Anonymous No.13782463]

>>13777777
Hail!

[Anonymous No.13782643]

>>13780403
>Buddhism without the denial of life which is a fundament of Buddhism
Ok retard

[Anonymous No.13783050]

>>13777772
>>13777777
eternal recurrence

[Anonymous No.13783207]

>>13777578
Realistically nothing actually has value/meaning when you strip it down by asking "why" more than 2-3 times
Everything is a distraction from existential dread and religion was at least able to defer to God when a "why" coudn't be answered
Secular sources of "meaning" (the state, family, money) don't mean anything when you ask why they have meaning at all

[Anonymous No.13783215]

>>13777786
>There is no call to action in Nietzsches work
The best we have are some suggestions. We need more Dionysus in our lives, and power is happiness. He idolized Napoleon and Goethe for a reason.

[Anonymous No.13783532]

>>13779488
cringe. back to >>>/pol/ incel

[Anonymous No.13783624]

>>13778244
how?

[Anonymous No.13783659]

>>13777772
How? What?

[Anonymous No.13784688]

>>13777777
basedo

[Anonymous No.13784762]

>>13777549
Embrace the will to power. Understand people can only find meaning in productive struggle, so embrace that struggle for its own sake.

[Anonymous No.13784773]

>>13777756
The guy who got a boner every time someone mentioned Cesare Borgia or Napoleon? Not likely.

[Anonymous No.13784939]

>>13777557
not be yourself, become who you are

[Anonymous No.13784949]

>>13777896
yes all those demographics fuck on the reg

[Anonymous No.13785369]

>>13777578
>they're all 0 value to me

Then you wouldn't be here. Epsilon-value is still some value, and by statistical proportion, right now 4chan is 100% of your (proven) shits given.

If you reply your values are debating strangers on the internet for amusement, which is just oddly specific hedonism

[Anonymous No.13785383]

>>13777563
Could have just called off this shit thread at this point.

[Anonymous No.13785666]

>>13777563
He did not complete the concept of Übermensch. Or can you tell me what it means to be an Übermensch practically? He tried to overcome nihilism with this concept, but he failed. That's why he went mad at the end.

[Anonymous No.13785684]

>>13777549
Go insane, try to write, go insane more. Die insane. Spread your insanity to many others after your death through your writing. Prevent many souls and soulless alike from being reincarnated under the mere influence of the mutations of your madness. It was my pleasure, demiurge. Accelerate.

[Anonymous No.13786028]

>>13785369
For me, it's sneedposting on /tv/.

[Anonymous No.13786122]

>>13785684
>guy had multiple strokes
>he went insane because of his philosophy!

[Anonymous No.13787678]

bump

[Anonymous No.13787690]

>>13786028
based sneedposter

[Anonymous No.13787745]

>>13777777
über

[Anonymous No.13788286]

>>13777777
Ok, Christians have now been prophecized to make a giant orgy - mark my words.

[Anonymous No.13788296]

>>13788286
Didn't you know that's what heaven is? I'm not going there, cause I only want to fuck Nietzsche.

[Anonymous No.13788786]

>>13777777
fuck, this guy's good.

[Anonymous No.13789643]

>>13777777
big based