/sffg/ - Science Fiction & Fantasy General

[/sffg/ - Science Fiction & Fan(...) No.12053606]

/sffg/ - Science Fiction & Fantasy General
Bad book covers edition. Post yours!

Monthly Reading for November: A Night in the Lonesome October by Roger Zelazny

FANTASY
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General:
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SCIENCE FICTION
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NPR's Top 100 Science Fiction & Fantasy Books:
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SF&F author listing with ratings and summaries:
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Previously:
>>12042507
>>12032496
>>12020585
>>12015561
>>12007307
>>11998944

[Anonymous No.12053620]

First for r/fantasy >>>> /sffg/

[Anonymous No.12053623]

[Anonymous No.12053634]

>>>12053372
Who isn't influenced by Vance, Howard, and Moorcock?

[Anonymous No.12053638]

>>12053634
Good writers

[Anonymous No.12053642]

>>12053623
Just read in publication order and there can be an end to this horror.

[Anonymous No.12053645]

>it's a perrin chapter

[Anonymous No.12053655]

>>12053634
The majority of shit writers. Most of them are inspired by Tolkien or GRRM.

[Anonymous No.12053658]

Croaker or Sleepy?

[Anonymous No.12053661]

>>12053658
Croaker all day everyday

[Anonymous No.12053685]

>>12053638
Such as?

[Anonymous No.12053696]

don't read this trash

[Anonymous No.12053701]

>>12053696
at least tell us why

[Anonymous No.12053714]

>>12053701
Blanderson praised it. That's reason enough not to read it.

[Anonymous No.12053769]

[Anonymous No.12053772]

>>12053769
I'm not reading this turd.

[Anonymous No.12053773]

>>12053772
Don't worry, participation is optional.

[Anonymous No.12053778]

>>12053773
says who?

[Anonymous No.12053783]

>>12053778
Ask me one more stupid fucking question you dumb muthafacka, do it I dare you.

[Anonymous No.12053805]

>>12053769
Seriously is anyone actually reading this?

[Anonymous No.12053809]

What do you guys think about Earths Rememberance (three body problem series)

[Anonymous No.12053815]

>>12053805
I'm going to once I finish the book I'm currently reading.

[Anonymous No.12053830]

>>12053696
B-but I liked his last trilogy.

[Anonymous No.12053845]

Sanderson WoT > Boredan WoT

[Anonymous No.12053846]

>>12053783
why?

[Anonymous No.12053848]

>>12053809
Thumbs up

[Anonymous No.12053850]

Buy and read my books /lit/

[Anonymous No.12053854]

>>12053805
>creepy comedy with some mystery
>Halloween themed
>250 pages or so
Why wouldn't you?

[Anonymous No.12053856]

>>12053850
But I already did, fantasy Jesus. Please write more!

[Anonymous No.12053858]

>>12053845
Those are the words of someone whose birth certificate is an apology letter from the abortion clinic.

[Anonymous No.12053866]

>>12053858
>abortion clinic.
Imagine being such a fag that your country has these.

[Anonymous No.12053882]

>>12053866
I imagine you feel very lucky that your country doesn't.

[Anonymous No.12053890]

>>12053882
Nah, life is misery.

[Anonymous No.12053932]

>>12053854
Because I'm not an Americlap who cares about Halloween

[Anonymous No.12053981]

>>12053243
Did you experience culture shock perhaps?
That was the point, not mere faggotry.

[Anonymous No.12054022]

So I just got myself a Kindle and apart from Amazon, where do you guys actually get your Ebooks from? Private trackers? I kinda thought it'd be easy to find, but haven't been able to find Skyward by Sanderson yet just by simply googling.

[Anonymous No.12054035]

>>12054022
Mobilism

https://forum.mobilism.org/viewtopic.php?f=1293&t=2833182&hilit=brandon+sanderson

[Anonymous No.12054051]

>>12054035
Wow, thanks.

Can't believe I missed that one.

[Anonymous No.12054054]

>>12054022
https://www.gutenberg.org/

[Anonymous No.12054074]

>>12054035
Yet it still doesn't have super sales 3.

[Anonymous No.12054125]

>>12054074
Good.

[Anonymous No.12054150]

>>12054074
Saw some anon here say that it was up on mobilism but got dmcad quickly. Go put up a request again. I usually get whatever I request within a day or two.

[Anonymous No.12054171]

>>12053981
no, im just disgusted
degeneracy is not culture

[Anonymous No.12054172]

>>12054035
Damn. Thanks for that. Didn't know it had such good programs

[Anonymous No.12054174]

are there any novels about bunch of college students surviving an apocalypse? whether it's a natural one, came from alien, or something else entirely, you get the idea
i just don't want it to be a zombie outbreak

[Anonymous No.12054179]

>>12053856
New first law trilogy is already completed. Just needs polishing. First book should be out this time next year. Set 15 years after red country.

[Anonymous No.12054184]

>>12054172
>programs

It's not a tv channel nigga

[Anonymous No.12054187]

>>12054171
Disgust is part of it, yes. This demonstrates the MC's deep alienation from the society he thought he was fighting for.

[Anonymous No.12054190]

Why are so many fantasy authors so lazy and leave their series unfished for long stretches of time?

[Anonymous No.12054197]

>>12054150
How come Branderson shit wasn't dmcad? You're telling me a selfpublisher like Arand has better pull than a multi-millionaire publishing house good boy like Sanderson?

[Anonymous No.12054201]

>>12054184
Okay then, programmes. Or you want me to use the "a" word?

[Anonymous No.12054208]

>>12054174
Are you going to copy paste this shit. Every. Single. Fucking. Thread?

[Anonymous No.12054214]

>>12054208
calm down you whiny faggot it's still the 2nd time

[Anonymous No.12054215]

>>12054190
That's a nice sun bear.

[Anonymous No.12054218]

>>12054214
That's how it starts faggot. Gotta nip that shit in the bud quick.

[Anonymous No.12054233]

What are the best web serials? I've already read all of Wildbow's stuff.
No isekai shit.

[Anonymous No.12054234]

>>12054218
no it doesn't dumbass
start contributing to the thread by answering posts who asks for book suggestion rather than crying like a little bitch

[Anonymous No.12054241]

>>12054197
A self publishing neckbeard like Arand probably cares a lot more and is likely aware of places like mobilism. Sanderson's people on the other hand likely only go after sites that show up in the top google results.

[Anonymous No.12054242]

>>12054233
are you okay with chinese webnovels

[Anonymous No.12054264]

>>12054201
>programmes
>"a" word
wut

[Anonymous No.12054265]

what do you guys think about prologues and epilogues in sci fi?

[Anonymous No.12054268]

>>12054201
what the fuck are you talking about

[Anonymous No.12054274]

What can we do to bring back those crazy sci-fi covers?

[Anonymous No.12054373]

>>12054234
>answer my post
No.
>start contributing
The contributions I made to this general is immeasurable

[Anonymous No.12054378]

>>12054264
>>>/g/

[Anonymous No.12054388]

>>12054373
>The contributions I made to this general is immeasurable
*are immeasurable

[Anonymous No.12054408]

sorry i was lying about my contributions

[Anonymous No.12054630]

You guys are awfully faggy today.

[Anonymous No.12054777]

>>12053805
Yes. It me.

[Anonymous No.12054787]

>>12053805
I plan to but don't usually start till the final week.

[Anonymous No.12054803]

>>12053620
Then go back to /plebbit/. Bye.

[Anonymous No.12054818]

>>12054174
Why does it have to be college students?

I don't get all these weirdly specific recommendation requests. Maybe I'm being trolled.

[Anonymous No.12054826]

>>12054630
I thought we'd turned the corner with the last few, but now we're back to off-topic catty bickering. Do we have actual grils here, cycling?

[Anonymous No.12054833]

>>12054818
because i am one and like to self insert
but it's ok if it's not college student as long it's an apocalypse and survival themed novel

[Anonymous No.12054838]

>>12054826
Did you think boys actually read books?

[Anonymous No.12054841]

>>12054833
Station Eleven seems good. I just started it but it has a lot of good reviews.

[Anonymous No.12054845]

>>12054826
Nah.
Just a bunch of basedboys and maybe a tranny.
I guess we are just going to have to ride the wave.

[Anonymous No.12054882]

>>12053805
I will but I'm still reading Sword in the Storm. My social life has been getting in the way of my reading.

[Anonymous No.12054904]

>>12054074

How did you manage to get past the first book?

[Anonymous No.12054990]

>>12054841
maybe not what i expected but i'll try, looks interesting

[Anonymous No.12055146]

I am in the mood for some good old fashioned epic high fantasy.
Is Shannara a series worth reading?
I've seen some rather mixed reviews.

[Anonymous No.12055157]

>>12053805
i will but i still need to find a copy

[Anonymous No.12055230]

Read my books, incels.

[Anonymous No.12055261]

>>12055146
It's super derivative of LotR but a lot of people don't mind that I guess.

[Anonymous No.12055295]

Can we talk about this? I just finished it today. I feel like there was a tremendous degree of pandering, and very little subtlety. If nobody knew that the author is a black women then it wouldn't be praised this much. I don't want to /pol/ it up at all, but seriously, there's no way this book deserves all the praise it's getting. It's at best a fairly mediocre fantasy story with a few somewhat interesting ideas.

[Anonymous No.12055298]

>Brandon Sanderson's idea of humour is that a super general with hundreds of lifetimes of experiences crammed into his head can't spell when he writes a letter.

Never read Sanderson before people told me he's a terrible writer but I thought I could tolerate anything after getting used to overly descriptive Robert Jordan but boy was I wrong.

[Anonymous No.12055321]

>>12055146
I read it as a kid and loved it. I stated to re-read it recently and was shocked at how bad it was.

[Anonymous No.12055332]

>>12053696
Oh no....."The Divine Cities" trilogy was great...

[Anonymous No.12055352]

>>12054179
So there's plenty of time for a real editor to cut the damn thing in half so it actually moves forward rather than tread water for thousands of pages.

[Anonymous No.12055381]

>>12053805

I probably will after I finish my other book club book.

[Anonymous No.12055441]

>>12053815
>>12055381
What are you two reading currently?

[Anonymous No.12055450]

>>12054388
Yea. Sorry. I was going to use a few other words, but ended up using immeasurable, and I didn't change the is to are when that correction was made.

I am glad you are keep up the Grammar quality of this general anon.

[Anonymous No.12055504]

>>12055441

My PhD programme has a book club, and we just started reading "A Bit of Difference" by Sefi Atta. It's nothing I'd usually read and I am going to hammer through it on my Kindle.

[Anonymous No.12055690]

>>12055352
I thought the first law and the standalones moved pretty quick, especially the standalones like best served cold and the heroes. Much faster than most fantasy writers of today.

[Anonymous No.12055711]

>>12055441
The Straggler's Mask. 100 pages in and the book, while it have its weaknesses, is actually surprisingly good.

[Anonymous No.12055759]

>>12055711
Dumb bunny poster.

[Anonymous No.12055778]

>>12054630
Your banter game is sliding off a cliff there, Chesterton.

[Anonymous No.12055807]

>>12055778
"When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him."

[Anonymous No.12055882]

>>12055759
>tfw I actually had a picture of a bunny in my reaction image folder
No u.

While not really surprised I'm almost disappointed by the total lack of furry shit.

[Anonymous No.12055896]

>>12055298
>>Brandon Sanderson's idea of humour is that a super general with hundreds of lifetimes of experiences crammed into his head can't spell when he writes a letter.
What book? It can't be Stormlight. Is it the new book?

[Anonymous No.12055913]

Oi, you fucking dweeby nerds, buy me books and read them.

[Anonymous No.12055916]

>>12055913
I didn't buy them but I read them

[Anonymous No.12055942]

>>12055916
GASP!

[Anonymous No.12055964]

>>12055896
Wheel of Time.

[Anonymous No.12056047]

>>12055964
Still better than Snoredan

[Anonymous No.12056050]

Who are some much-celebrated sci-fi authors who are actually fucking hacks?

[Anonymous No.12056057]

>>12056050
Literally all of them.

[Anonymous No.12056063]

>>12056050
Define hack. Herbert, Asimov, Heinlein, Gibson and Stephenson are all basically hacks.

[Anonymous No.12056071]

>>12056063
Pls elaborate, I need a good laugh and your insecurity is pretty funny.

[Anonymous No.12056080]

>>12056071
They're all liberal shitgobbling pieces of autism like you

[Anonymous No.12056083]

>>12056063
>Asimov

[Anonymous No.12056097]

>>12056080
Well that explains a lot.

[Anonymous No.12056108]

>>12056071
Herbert is a one hit wonder that kept milking his shitcow.
Asimov is the most boring man who have ever lived.
Heinlein is a misogynistic homosexual cuck that touch himself thinking about his mum.
Gibson is also a one trick pony that for some reason think he's still relevant in this day and age.
Stephenson could not write a non bloated book if his life depended on it. Like why the fuck is Cryptonomicon more than 1100 pages long?
Then there's you, and me, we're also obvious hacks based on our posts this far.

[Anonymous No.12056129]

>>12056108
>Gibson is also a one trick pony that for some reason think he's still relevant in this day and age.
>Stephenson could not write a non bloated book if his life depended on it. Like why the fuck is Cryptonomicon more than 1100 pages long?
I agree with this.

>Then there's you, and me
and me, the op of the question

[Anonymous No.12056132]

>>12056080
Hah! So funny.
Anon this is not /v... or /pol. If you are going to pretend to be a tuff guy on the Internet you need to do it in a thoughtful and articulate manner. Besides there are much better ways to gain self confidence besides screaming obscenities at complete strangers. Have you ever thought about hitting the gym?

[Anonymous No.12056146]

>>12056132
>his husbando "science" fiction authors called out on prepping Jamal
>goes into panic mode
Like a clockwork.

[Anonymous No.12056153]

>>12056132
nigger

[Anonymous No.12056189]

>>12056108
>we're also obvious hacks
I resent that good sir, I am merely a consumer of fine art, not a producer.

>Herbert is a one hit wonder that kept milking his shitcow.
That is not true. You need to read something other than Dune.

>Asimov is the most boring man who have ever lived.
What does that have to with his writing? You could have at least mentioned how he came up with the idea of positron brains.

>Heinlein is a misogynistic homosexual cuck that touch himself thinking about his mum.
You also forgot being perpetually butthurt for missing out on WW2 on account of illness. And being a squid. All which gave flavor to his writing.

>Gibson is also a one trick pony that for some reason think he's still relevant in this day and age.
Cuz he writes hipster scifi, with marketing executives and shit.

>Stephenson could not write a non bloated book if his life depended on it.
You could say that's just good buissnes practice.

>>12056146
Anon I told you this is not /v or /pol. Please don't answer me with one liner memes. You are so much better than that.
To put it in terms you might appreciate - don't post like a nigger.

[Anonymous No.12056203]

>Sunset found her squatting

[Anonymous No.12056208]

>>12056189
>You need to read something other than Dune
Give me a recommendation.

[Anonymous No.12056212]

>>12056203
Go on?

[Anonymous No.12056224]

>>12056212

>in the grass


>groaning

[Anonymous No.12056233]

>>12053606

As a Baen man, I don't know who makes their covers, but I envy their steady job.


That said, I started reading Dangerous Visions this week, and I have been blown out. I always treated the anthology and scifi short story much as one would a sales pamphlet, but I am quite wrong. I love the little introductions and afterwords that make the community of 1960's SF feel comfy and connected. For once Harlan Ellison takes more than he gives, I chortled heartily at Robert Bloch saying "he is the only organism whose natural habitat is hot water."

Overall a wonderful, wonderful experience! Are there any other good anthologies that mirror this feeling of transformation and insight?

[Anonymous No.12056244]

>>12056224
That's enough young man, we are all decent folk here. No more of your degeneracy on display.

[Anonymous No.12056253]

>>12056208
I am about to go to sleep. I'll dig up the name tomorrow.

[Anonymous No.12056254]

>>12055146
As previously stated, super-derivative of LOTR, without the weight of a fully realized world behind it. Also, countless sequels where the same Macguffins are lost and searched for over and over again.

[Anonymous No.12056303]

>enjoying wheel of time
>turn page
>Perrin chapter

[Anonymous No.12056318]

>>12056303
Book 9 was such a fucking slog. If I ever go back and read WoT I'm skipping all Perrin and Perrin-related chapters after book 4.

[Anonymous No.12056443]

>>12056050
Asimov and Gibson

[Anonymous No.12056531]

>>12056233
Honestly the introductions on Dangerous Visions is very hit and miss. I mean I like Harlan and think he's generally a witty guy but some of them are just pure agony. Can't imagine how torturous is must be to read through them if you don't like him.

[Anonymous No.12056659]

>>12053623
Is Discworld comfy?

[Anonymous No.12056675]

>>12056443
Like I've said, I can see Gibson, but did people really not enjoy the original Foundation trilogy as much as I?

[Anonymous No.12056683]

>>12053769
>No ebook versions on B&N or Kindle

Too bad.

[Anonymous No.12056697]

>>12056675
I liked the first two books but not the third

[Anonymous No.12056713]

>>12056697
Is that the one where they're testing everyone to see if they're Second Foundationers? I liked it.

[Anonymous No.12056748]

>>12056697
But that triple ending. So nice.

[Anonymous No.12056853]

>>12056683
It's old. Ya gotta find an OCR copy like so http://b-ok.cc/book/1658767/2b6fe8

[Anonymous No.12056859]

Anything where the protagonist is a mother?

[Anonymous No.12056873]

>>12056859
>if a side character is a mother they will inevitably die first
>if the protagonist is a mother, then their kid and their husband is going to have died
No.

[Anonymous No.12056987]

>>12056859
Yeah but Jemison is shit.

[Anonymous No.12057009]

>>12056531

That's fair. At times they feel fellatious, but that's part of the air to me. It feels like I'm reading the yearbook of a popular person.

[Anonymous No.12057060]

Fantastic Voyage film or book?

[Anonymous No.12057082]

>>12056853
Got it, thanks.

[Anonymous No.12057134]

Looking for fantasy with a mythical and melancholic feeling to it.
Like LotR but more moody and, for lack of a better word, "dark"
But not dark like edgy but more like in atmosphere

[Anonymous No.12057169]

>>12057134
Silmarillion

[Anonymous No.12057296]

>>12056987
I doubt a character written by Jameson double was the type of character I had in mind.

[Anonymous No.12057353]

>Mod's blood. Moot's blood, blood on the jannie's thigh, but bans for the shitposters and bans for the Baneposters, aye, aye, aye.
Whoa, what did GRRM mean by this?

[Anonymous No.12057398]

>>12057134

Lyonesse

[Anonymous No.12057598]

I'm about 85% into The City Of Brass and it feels like I'm only halfway through the plot

>>12054233
>not swansong/bitch for "the psycho"
>not tress/tattletale for "the bff"
>not lookout/imp for "the hyperactive little sister"
>not precipice/parian for "the emotionally conflicted lovesick loner"

also, how long before breakthrough gets in a battle with actual stakes? The only time there was an actual chance of civilian casualties we didn't even know about it until it happened, and even then it turned out everyone was okay. Also, literally the only fight they couldn't have easily avoided lasted two pages.

[Anonymous No.12057626]

>>12057134
Mythago Wood

>>12056859
Pollen by Jeff Noon

[Anonymous No.12057635]

How do you make it seem like magic can do anything without making the magic-using MC feel omnipotent?

I assume it's about limiting what they personally know how to do, but I don't know what the limit is

[Anonymous No.12057640]

>>12057626
>The sweet death of Coyote, master taxi driver, was only the first.
>Soon people are sneezing and dying all overManchester.
I don't want to rush to conclusions, but dropped.

[Anonymous No.12057647]

>>12057635
>I assume it's about limiting what they personally know how to do, but I don't know what the limit is
What's the scale that you want to MC to reach or begin with? What angle would they have in their initial knowledge of magic? When you say "magic can do anything," how much effort or resources does the real high end stuff take? How does one attain more magical power? Is every magic user capable of going full I CAN DO ANYTHING? Does attaining higher levels of magical power cost anything to the user? Think of stuff like that and narrow it down. Think about how you want magic to factor into the narrative, and how you would tailor your MC's use of it to fit the story you want to tell.

[Anonymous No.12057649]

>>12056303
>>12056318
just finished Fires of Heaven. Does Perrin get really boring from here on or something? He didn't appear at all in this book.

[Anonymous No.12057656]

>>12057134
The Innkeeper's Song by Peter S. Beagle

[Anonymous No.12057669]

>>12057649
Maybe I was thinking of book five, I haven't read them in a decade. But yes, after a certain point Perrin gets boring mostly because of Faile and that never-ending aiel imprisonment arc holy fuck that went on way too long.

[Anonymous No.12057676]

>>12057669
and just to pick your brain, which book can you recall being your favorite?

[Anonymous No.12057689]

So much stupid in this book:

>Scientists stay in archaeological site on an alien planet despite knowing exactly when the site is about to be flooded with water from the terraforming ice meteors
>No survey of the life on the alien planet. Female scientist relaxing on beach surprised by the appearance of hostile alien lifeforms.
>Security guard had no weapons
>No rationing of food/water when after space ship's life support systems and engine failed
>Idea of manually operated controls is viewed as innovative
>Starting a campfire at night after fleeing on foot from crab-like aliens
>Exploration team forgot where they landed their ship
>Galactic storm traveling at the speed of light was somehow undetectable until it arrived within the star system

[Anonymous No.12057707]

>>12057649
Fires of Heaven is the best book because Perrin isn't in it.

[Anonymous No.12057735]

>>12057647
So, the general idea is that magic comes from using mana, which falls from the sky frequently in certain areas. Each person can only use one of the fours "schools" of magic, but a person can do anything covered by that school as long as they have enough mana to do it and can figure out how to do it effectively.

The average person will probably be able to get one to two splinter-sized pieces of mana a week, which they can either live off of or cast a basic spell. However, what qualifies as a basic spell is kind of unbalanced. A diviner might be able to look a mile away for about a minute, or a transmuter can heal a wound or throw a small fireball. In contrast, an illusionist could probably keep up a hyperrealistic illusion for several minutes or make a small illusion so real it becomes solid.

My intent is that the mc – a transmuter – would start out with no knowledge of magic and no amount of mana, but prior to the climax of the story (where balance inevitably goes out the window) would have enough mana to level a city block and still have enough left over to recover from being impaled in three places

[Anonymous No.12057740]

>>12057689
>So much stupid in this book:
>Galactic storm traveling at the speed of light was somehow undetectable until it arrived within the star system
anon...

[Anonymous No.12057774]

>>12057635
unironically read Hunter X Hunter

[Anonymous No.12057785]

Probably the best first contact book I've read. Any others just as good or even better?

[Anonymous No.12057826]

>>12057134

[Anonymous No.12057874]

>>12057785
Blindsight

[Anonymous No.12057914]

Is it worth reading Unfinished Tales of Numenor and all those other Tolkien works that are not Hobbit/Silmarillion/Lord of the Rings?
I haven't looked into them all that much but they are technically unfinished works that were edited by his son, right? Are they good?

[Anonymous No.12057935]

>>12057914
Children of Hurin is good. Rest dont really reach the same level.

[Anonymous No.12057969]

>>12056659
Yes, definitely.

[Anonymous No.12058016]

>>12057914
Unfinished Tales is worth reading.

[Anonymous No.12058031]

>>12057735
Are you the water, decay, etc anon that was looking for different names for his magic affinities /schools?

[Anonymous No.12058052]

>Kneel and swear to the lord dragon. Or you will be knelt.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ag1o3koTLWM

[Anonymous No.12058056]

>>12057635
unironically read naruto, one piece, boku no hero, attack on titan, bleach, inuyasha, dective conan

[Anonymous No.12058068]

>>12057914
I liked Unfinished Tales. Haven't read the others.

[Anonymous No.12058106]

>>12058056
Unironically go away and stay away.

[Anonymous No.12058125]

I wonder if Bakker was being self-aware when he kept having a character say the line, "The slog of slogs."

[Anonymous No.12058126]

>>12057134
Moorcock's Elric.

[Anonymous No.12058145]

>>12056208
>>12056253
I would recommend two novels:
The Dragon in the Sea for the deep sea insanity and
Hellstrom's Hive for well written weirdness.

Herbert also wrote some really good short stories, especially the ones that focus on ecology. I'll try to track them down.

[Anonymous No.12058223]

>>12058145
I see you just came from /g/ anon.

[Anonymous No.12058317]

what is the Dorohedoro of /sffg/?

[Anonymous No.12058859]

help i'm reading wheel of time for the third time but all these bitches fuck help....

i wan't to read other books help

[Anonymous No.12059075]

>>12058859
Then don't read it? Wheel of time is utter shit. Why you guys ignore the warnings, read it anyways, then come back here to complain is beyond me.

If you want to read it that is on your ass. Don't complain here. We don't want to know.

[Anonymous No.12059087]

i thank the guy who recommend me blood song
50% in and it's really good

[Anonymous No.12059117]

>>12055295
It gets praised because it's a resentment/power fantasy written by a black woman (who, to be fair, does possess a greater command of writing than a randomly-selected Kindle Unlimited author).

[Anonymous No.12059144]

>>12055295
thank god i'm not the only one

[Anonymous No.12059161]

>>12057914
Unfinished Tales is definitely worth it if you liked the Silmarillion.

[Anonymous No.12059174]

>>12059075
its not trash its decent its just some parts on the third re-read are difficult to get through

[Anonymous No.12059194]

>>12059117
Nigga that is a complete crock of shit. Scoring social (and maybe political) brownie points is the only reason she is praised. As a non-American, the saddest thing for me, is that she is not alone, just the most exposed one.
I still remember a couple of times Charles Stross, back when I was following his blog, tried to plug in some horribly written LGBTQWTFXYZ authors to increase his rep with the hip crowd.
Needles to say not a lot of people want to read about gay werewolves.

[Anonymous No.12059223]

>>12059194
We're in agreement, I just don't think you know how bad a lot of the things that get posted to KU are. Keep in mind that Jemisin's work is professionally edited, most KU authors don't have editors at all.

Her books are in fact fundamentally garbage. But there's a reason she's the "most exposed".

[Anonymous No.12059296]

>>12059223
Yeah you are right. Still is it asking too much for a perpetually butthurt black woman to be a good writer?

[Anonymous No.12059298]

>>12059087
Just beware the sequels.

[Anonymous No.12059300]

>>12059194
>>12059223
She did win for 3 years in a row because of all the bullshit. She won because they were honestly the best book of that year. That doesn't mean she's a great writer, it just means everyone else was worse. Which is a damning indictment on the state of sci-fi and fantasy atm.

[Anonymous No.12059326]

>>12059300
I find that highly unlikely.
Ludicrous even.

[Anonymous No.12059365]

>>12059300
>She won because they were honestly the best book of that year.
What's scary is he's actually not being ironic. Morons out there genuinely believe shit like this.

[Anonymous No.12059426]

>>12057676
I really enjoyed book 3, and possibly book 5 whichever is the one where Mat and Perrin defend Two Rivers from the trolloc invasion, the only part of the story where I like Perrin, and book 6 too. Books 7-10 I've mostly forgotten, but I remember enjoying book 11 for some reason, maybe because things finally started happening again.

[Anonymous No.12059430]

>>12059300
2016: Might have been the best book. I liked Seveneves but it was a bit of a mess. OK.

2017: Too Like The Lightning and Death's End are both clearly superior to Obelisk Gate, and for different reasons.

2018: Every nominee sucked, might as well YAAS SLAY QUEEN.

[Anonymous No.12059460]

Why are these awards infested with shit books? There are so many books coming out every day, surely there are many gems and geniuses among them.

[Anonymous No.12059471]

>>12059460
The manner in which they are nominated excludes (originally by accident, now by design) books not published by several major companies. Also, the electorate basically consists of the sorts of people who are really into capeshit movies.

[Anonymous No.12059483]

>>12053620
Kill yourself.

[Anonymous No.12059517]

>>12059471
Then there seems something wrong with how these major companies recruit authors.
I wish there was an alternative. Companies/awards that looked for genuinely good, innovative books, instead of bland shit written solely to appease the current political climate/appeal to the most number of people possible.

[Anonymous No.12059539]

>>12059517
Awards are inherently biased, but the Dragon Awards do award books based on the fans choices rather than some woke cucks.

[Anonymous No.12059544]

>>12059517
Unfortunately the alternative is making your own awards... with blackjack and hookers.

[Anonymous No.12059545]

>>12059539
"Fan choice" doesn't sound that good either

[Anonymous No.12059554]

>>12059539
>Brandon Sanderson won
So no fucking difference. I don't mind biasedness if the people who are biased have good taste. Which these awards don't.

[Anonymous No.12059562]

Just realized how much The Wheel of Time steals from Dune

[Anonymous No.12059567]

>>12059562
Elaborate?

[Anonymous No.12059597]

>>12059562
just a few off the top of my head
>Aes Sedai (at least the Blue Ajah) = Bene Gesserit
>Rand goes to The Waste and takes on a similar role in Aiel society to what Paul Atreides had for the Fremen
>Both protagonists possess powers that are prophetic in strength

[Anonymous No.12059626]

>>12059545
It's better than the alternative. But reading books just because they won awards is retarded to begin with.

[Anonymous No.12059628]

>>12059517
>Companies/awards that looked for genuinely good, innovative books, instead of bland shit written solely to appease the current political climate/appeal to the most number of people possible.

There's no easy answer. "Genuinely good, innovative books" not only don't sell that well, they also tend to take a long time to write even for professionals.

Printed pozloads *are* the smart, upscale market in SFF right now. The mainstream demand is basically Sanderson. Vox Day/Castalia is making a good-faith effort to cultivate an alternative, but they've fallen further and further into quantity > quality just based on the economics of the situation. You can't expect to make money if you refuse to publish anything but god-tier literature.

Sanderson's market, by the way, is nowhere near saturated. These people like to read, a lot, and while their taste is terrible they can definitely tell someone who knows what they're doing from a clueless scrawler. If you're a professional writer with any talent, the incentives to write an OK book every few months instead of a good-to-great book every two years are enormous given that you're going to sell basically the same number of copies of either.

[Anonymous No.12059686]

>>12059326
>>12059365
Name better books then if you think anon is wrong.

[Anonymous No.12059705]

>>12059628
I don't really see this problem as much in the literature scene of another country I follow though. Award winners tend to be genuinely worth reading, and a lot of talented underground writers get attention. Even the freakin Amazon reviews are a lot more reliable. These problems seem to be a lot more exacerbated in the English speaking world, and I believe the American political climate to be largely responsible for that. People literally can't write without having some sort of an agenda over there.

[Anonymous No.12059709]

>>12059597
meant for
>>12059567

[Anonymous No.12059722]

>>12059709
Okay, I see, except for the last line, because that's too common.

[Anonymous No.12059740]

>>12059686
The Lord of the Rings

[Anonymous No.12059745]

>just finished starship troopers

Well that was alright I guess. I was hooked then I wasn't and then I was again and now I'm just glad I made it through.

Come to think of it that's kinda the same experience Rico has in the book.
Hmmmmmmm...

[Anonymous No.12059760]

>>12059745
So what's your opinion of voting as a given right/earned privilege now?

[Anonymous No.12059779]

>>12059760
While people are earning fortunes by fueling unrest our system will never change.
I agree with everything RAH "proposes" though.

[Anonymous No.12059791]

>>12059705
Do you mean SF or literature in general? The intersection of genre and "literary" fiction is pretty small.

The mass market is the mass market. On reflection, I agree that the upscale market is the result of education (i.e. political indoctrination) and that such indoctrination differs between countries. I don't think it's news to anyone here that globohomo conducts its business in English.

[Anonymous No.12059795]

How can kkc be so good while being so bad.

[Anonymous No.12059819]

>>12057134
Definitely Lyonesse

[Anonymous No.12059825]

>>12057740

[Anonymous No.12059833]

Does anyone have the faintest clue on how to become a translator ?

[Anonymous No.12059839]

>>12059745
>remember you're not making an argument youre making a mathematical proof that my political views are correct

Fucking cringe. I liked the book and hope he was being self aware with the mathematical proof shit ricos one handed teacher was spouting. It was ridiculous.

[Anonymous No.12059848]

>>12059833
You could google it to start off with:

http://www.translationrules.com/everything-you-wanted-to-know-about-how-to-become-a-literary-translator/

[Anonymous No.12059869]

>>12059686

[Anonymous No.12059885]

>>12059825
pls describe how you would detect something moving at the speed of light

[Anonymous No.12059931]

>>12059885
you wouldnt

[Anonymous No.12060388]

Why didn't you fags tell me Black Company was so good?

[Anonymous No.12060398]

>>12058106
Just trying to give helpful advice m8 by answering the question with honesty and sincerity.

[Anonymous No.12060401]

>>12053658
Croaker. Wonder what it must've looked like to see him together with what seemed like a girl barely 20, if that.

[Anonymous No.12060406]

>>12059628
Interesting take anon. Know any good books to recommend?

[Anonymous No.12060407]

>>12060388
its stops being so good after a few books and downgrades to decent.

[Anonymous No.12060415]

>>12059819
Let this shitty meme book die. It fucking sucks.

[Anonymous No.12060436]

>>12054190
Writer's block or fatigue, sometimes their work because much greater than originally anticipated. Or plain laziness. GRRM will die before he finishes his series, for example.

[Anonymous No.12060455]

>>12060436
What's the old codger up to now, besides not writing?

[Anonymous No.12060473]

>>12060415
Stick to Stormlight Archive, scrub.

[Anonymous No.12060477]

>>12060388
We did.

[Anonymous No.12060491]

>>12060477
>Get on the carpet, Croaker.

[Anonymous No.12060503]

>>12060388
Only the first book is good. Lite-fucking-rally.

[Anonymous No.12060574]

>>12058317
Dorohedoro is basically what you'd get if Umbreto Eco made a manga.

[Anonymous No.12060587]

>>12060574
>Umbreto Eco
Is he a Mexican knock-off of Umberto Eco?

[Anonymous No.12060603]

>tfw you don't mind grimderp in comic/manga form if it has great art

[Anonymous No.12060613]

>>12060603
How about you fuck off to /co.

[Anonymous No.12060627]

>>12060477
lady>catcher

[Anonymous No.12060631]

>>12054190
David Gerrold
War against the Chtorr
It’s been more than 25 years since his last book.
Fucking tribbles pedo.

[Anonymous No.12060643]

>>12060388
T Vietnam war boomer fantasy

[Anonymous No.12060730]

>>12060613
Make me.

[Anonymous No.12060828]

i just finished reading this, while i enjoyed it i dont see any reason to continue reading the series. i really don't get the main plot of this book, it seems to me that it's just him being an somewhat op guy with swords and having an ability that tells him what to do. also something something that the kingdom will fall, again i can't give a fuck about the kingdom because there is not a lot description about it besides having a lot of different religion.
should i continue?

[Anonymous No.12060898]

>>12060828
>should i continue?
No. You will regret it. But let's face you, you are a contrary cunt and will do it just because everyone tells you no. Then you will come and complain that we didn't warn you.

[Anonymous No.12060939]

>>12055807
"It seems to me, that the problem with being a True Genius is that there's a bit too much of the genius, and not enough of the truth"
*retreats into his muumuu to drink gravy*

[Anonymous No.12060984]

>>12056108
>>12056129
"wrong"
Stephenson wrote Zodiac, 234 densely plotted pages of topical probity that also happens to be tighter than fish pussy. What would you have cut from Cryptonomicon, anyway?

[Anonymous No.12060985]

>>12060828
What >>12060898 said. Just do it. After you finish you can join the rest of the thread in hatin' on fantasy.

[Anonymous No.12061068]

>>12060984
Oh yeah, I thought of the furniture fetish stuff as soon as I hit post. Well, some people like a good digression, is that a crime?

[Anonymous No.12061131]

>>12060828
If you like strong independent medieval women who don't need no man then yes

[Anonymous No.12061215]

>>12061131
No one likes that.

[Anonymous No.12061241]

Does anyone else have weird irrational attraction to cool sounding names? I just can't not give book a try if it's name caught my interest. I started reading most of my favorite series because of this, like Name of the Wind or Words of Radiance.

[Anonymous No.12061260]

>>12061241
wtf those names aren't cool though

[Anonymous No.12061262]

>>12061215
I do. But only because it's my fetish desu.

[Anonymous No.12061263]

>>12061241
>Name of the Wind
Oh boy...

>Words of Radianc
Oh no.

[Anonymous No.12061316]

>>12061260
>>12061263
That's why I called it irrational. I tend to find some random simple english words strangely charming even if they obviously sound dull and mundane to native speakers.

[Anonymous No.12061328]

>>12061262
Only if they were lolis.

[Anonymous No.12061336]

>>12061241
When I was younger definitely, though the only one that comes to mind is reading Prince of Nothing because I saw The Thousandfold Thought working at the library and thought the name was super cool.

[Anonymous No.12061426]

>>12057935
>>12058016
>>12058068
Cool, I'll check those two out, thanks for the input lads.

>>12059161
I did enjoy the Silmarillion, guess I'll start with Unfinished Tales then.
Where does it fit chronologically? After Hobbit but before Fellowship, right?

[Anonymous No.12061450]

>>12060415
Why does it suck?
So far I've read the first one and it was pretty alright.

[Anonymous No.12061569]

Anyone would want to read a fantasy story about magic welders and their trade? I feel it would be way too fucking autistic, but there's lots of side /sff/ stuff for the simple comsumer's mind. I'm actually writing quite a hard science-fiction (It's pure ye olde fantasy, not the future science-fiction kind, but with "technology is replaced by magic" instead) fantasy story, with lots of technical details sprinkled in between anime battles and frank herbert-esque tens of pages worth of philosophical rantings.

I don't know why I'm even asking, I'm already 100k words in, it's likely I'll try to publish is either way, even if I bruteforce my way into the industry.

[Anonymous No.12061627]

>>12061569
It sounds extremely autistic, but good luck anon

[Anonymous No.12061654]

>>12061569
>>12061569
I personally love things that elaborate on some specific craft in a interesting way. Wish I was better at finding them though.
I even think about writing fantasy setting that adopts lots of real world physics myself.

[Anonymous No.12061791]

Any books about a powerhungry MC working his way up the social ladder?

[Anonymous No.12061797]

>>12061426
It's a collection of disparate stories, but virtually all of them take place in between the events described in Silmarillion and Hobbit.

LOTR is the end of Tolkien's imagined chronology, and not much time elapsed in between Hobbit and Fellowship.

[Anonymous No.12061828]

>>12053769
Cute book club, guys

[Anonymous No.12061988]

>tfw the secret to memorability is writing fantasy for children
>tfw i set out to write a fantasy story for children and came up with something no child would ever want to read

[Anonymous No.12062145]

>tfw that awesome fantasy art from the 70s and 80s will never make a return
Even the shittiest, most obscure books from that era had decent art.

[Anonymous No.12062170]

>>12053696
Why do these second rate fantasy books all have horrible cover art and titles?

[Anonymous No.12062191]

>>12060828
DO NOT READ THE NEXT 2 BOOKS. I actually really liked the first one. The later ones are all about stronk womyn. Literally has an overpowered lesbian teenager as the second main character. She doesn't even have any magic, yet she is stronger than everyone.

[Anonymous No.12062201]

>>12053606
Recommend me something that is not fucking shite. I don't know how every fantasy writer is so fucking useless, I really don't.

[Anonymous No.12062203]

>>12062191
>lesbian teenager
That sounds hot thought.

[Anonymous No.12062748]

>>12053623
>tfw listening to Discworld audiobooks every day at work
>have to suppress sensible chuckles as I go through my routine

[Anonymous No.12062830]

>>12053642
this, I don't know why people do anything but publication order

[Anonymous No.12062879]

>>12062748
>not laughing like manic everytime you want to
trust me its far more liberating. plus after the 5th or so time people will either ignore you or want in on it. my it department has speakers now in the server and break room. the server room constantly plays either music, youtube videos or audiobooks. and the break room is hooked up to an emulation machine. i tell you its a weird sight when the 50 something head of HR fights the marketing intern and wins in soul calibur 2.

[Anonymous No.12063099]

I want to create a complex, science-fantasy mythology that people would actually enjoy but all my ideas are shit unless I process them so much that they're not even recognizably science-based anymore

[Anonymous No.12063280]

Are all the Amber recommendations genuine or is it an elaborate meme?
I see it recommended too often and after all types of requests.

[Anonymous No.12063390]

>>12063280
I've not read them, but Zelanzy certainly isn't a meme.

[Anonymous No.12063550]

>>12063280
It's a good series.

[Anonymous No.12063591]

>look at all the recent fantasy book best monthly lists
>minorities, women, gays in every single book

What happened to science fiction and fantasy?

[Anonymous No.12063610]

>>12063591
Yeah man how dare there be literally anything but white dudes

[Anonymous No.12063612]

should I read this? im not hard to please. i dont give a shit about super deep plots and metaphorical garbage

[Anonymous No.12063638]

this shit is so fucking cool
are there any novel where they have something like this?

[Anonymous No.12063774]

I was enjoying Malazan for the first few books but now I'm on Toll the Hounds and it's just a chore. I'm something around 70% through the whole series so I feel like I should at least see it through to the end or it'll always nag me I didn't finish.

I knew this would happen if I started such a long series too. Anyone know if the final two books are at least worth it after Toll the Hounds?

[Anonymous No.12063789]

>>12063774
Book 8 is where it really drags and gets self indulgent. The ending to Toll the Hounds is great, but goddamn was it a chore to get through. I spent more time reading it than the first 4 books combined because I kept putting it off.

Book 9 is also pretty slow going because unlike every other book in the series it's only half of a story, it's a pair with book 10. 9 has basically all the set up, and 10 has the payoff.

I love the series, but man is the last 3 books a huge wall to get over.

[Anonymous No.12063797]

>>12063638
the closest thing i can think of is a book ive read a long time ago. basically the world ended through a gray goo scenario. only to somehow cause all the nanomachines to start evolution as if they were organic. pretty much only plantlife and animals remained on earth initially but then machanical plants and animals started appearing. eventually a human colony ship that had been malfunctioning returned to earth and all its inhabitants suddenly wake from cryosleep. initially they though this was the planet they would be setteling but it turned out theyve been in cryosleep for millions of years and this is in fact earth. and because they just cant leave again without repairs they repopulate earth. story follows a dude and his love interest and it sort of starts out as a weir mix of what you posted and eventually some sort of cyber-bio punk where theres some sort of cross contamination of biological and mechanical creatures.

maybe someone else recognizes this but i completely forgot the name. it was a fairly hefty book though. around 900 pages i think.

[Anonymous No.12063798]

>>12063610
Exactly.

[Anonymous No.12063799]

>>12063774

Toll the Hounds is basically a complete waste of space that didn't need to be there. The final two books are definitely better, though not the series' high points.

[Anonymous No.12063814]

Book from the perspectives of monsters/nonhumans?

[Anonymous No.12063829]

>>12063797
before we go to the next thread does anyone know what this is

[Anonymous No.12063857]

>>12063612
Yes you should, it's comfy af with the mc not being too op.

[Anonymous No.12063884]

>>12063814

I guess Flatland counts since its literally shapes

Greg Egan did a trilogy starting with Clockwork Rocket, although its half book, half physics lecture

Grunts

large parts of A Fire Upon the Deep

The Crucible of Time

[Anonymous No.12063895]

>>12062201
Amber

[Anonymous No.12063897]

>>12063857
Praying upon innocents strangers who can't use Google is despicable anon.

[Anonymous No.12063951]

>>12053696
Give me reasons, because I'm a fan of The Divine Cities.

Anyway, I'm reading pic related right now. It's been fun so far. Has some really witty writing and the aesthetic of the book is great. China Mieville loves putting these weird fantastic setpieces and cultures and settings in my head and I love it.

Recommend me more "New Weird" fiction in the lines of China Mieville.

[Anonymous No.12063961]

>Faile

[Anonymous No.12064039]

>>12063951
Kefahuchi Tract trilogy

[Anonymous No.12064061]

>>12063638
Robotic animals?
Try the bobbiverse series.

[Anonymous No.12064097]

rare gene wolfe on his wedding day

[Anonymous No.12064115]

Where did that fag get the Daniel Black book 4 from?
Upload to mega already you greedy cunt.

[Anonymous No.12064117]

>>12064097
Man. You would take whatever just to get access to regular pussy.
See how much pussy has power over the poor thirsty betas out there.

[Anonymous No.12064118]

>>12064115
Patreon probably, EWB has been milking suckers on that thing for years.

[Anonymous No.12064156]

>>12063951
The Scar and The City and the City by Mieville are fantastic, apart form that there's Annihilation, Born and City of Saints and Mad Men by Vandermeer, Little, Big by John Crowley

[Anonymous No.12064167]

>>12063774
Whole series goes downhill after book 4.

[Anonymous No.12064192]

>>12064156
I love The Scar, although I somewhat inexplicably love Perdido Street Station above it even more.

I should get to reading The City and the City. Thank you for the Jeff Vandermeer recommendations, those look awesome. Little, Big also looks great.

[Anonymous No.12064203]

>>12064192
Perdido is awesome, I nominated it for the sffg book club this month. Unfortunately the dinosaur lovers voted for some Zelzany childrens horror book that nobody is going to read.

[Anonymous No.12064225]

>>12064203
No one wants to read that commie garbage.

[Anonymous No.12064244]

>>12063591
Give me an example of such a list

[Anonymous No.12064266]

>>12064118
2k a month and he only gives them one unedited chapter a month. A lot of times it's stuff he never has any intention of publishing.
At least Arand gives you your money's worth. Posting multiple times a month with goodies ane snippets. Brown just posts shit all once a month and gets free money.

[Anonymous No.12064270]

>>12064225
>>>/pol/

[Anonymous No.12064314]

>>12064270
See: >>12064225

[Anonymous No.12064328]

>>12064314
Pol is commie now? I thought people complaining about commie shit on a fucking literature board are the pollies?

[Anonymous No.12064458]

>>12064328
youre dumb, friend

[Anonymous No.12064466]

WE ARE REBORN MY BRETHREN

>>12064464
>>12064464
>>12064464
>>12064464