Reading in a share house

[Anonymous No.11642240]

Any guys have trouble reading in a crowded, active household? The first half of 2018 was a really great one as far as reading goes, now I'm in a house with 3 other guys, all good friends, who love to game, cook, talk and watch movies together. It is admittedly a lot of fun but I have read 80 pages in the last 2 months.

[December !!TY0+NRMplWe No.11642255]

Earmuffs. Ear plugs.

[Anonymous No.11642266]

>>11642240
Take a walk. Go to a park or beach or some other nice quiet place, with fresh air and scenery and not a soul in sight. There you can read in peace.

[Anonymous No.11642272]

>>11642240
>I'm in a house with 3 other guys
no homo

[Anonymous No.11642348]

>>11642240
>now I'm in a house with 3 other guys, all good friends, who love to game, cook, talk and watch movies together
You deserve this for living with them. The only sort of shared quarters that work is with chaste people. Carnally minded people are animals obsessed with lower interests. They want nothing more than to drag you down to their level.
Living with men who are 'sexually active' (any release, doesn't matter if they are single) is unbearable once you have won the battle over self. They either bring home women or defile themselves alone somewhere in the house.

Unchaste people... Beer and post-ejaculate piss. The whole apartment smells like piss if you go into a place occupied by 4 drinking and sexually active men. It's gotten much worse in the pornography era.
One thing I remember was that the only time my piss had any scent is either if I was dehydrated or for a few hours after ejaculating. That second smell is terrible and distinct. You'll notice that toilets shared with 3 others, the bathroom will stink horribly. I stayed in monastic settings and the lavatory had no scent.
Who knows, there might be some sort of evolutionary mechanism to pick up these scents so it drives one to compete for a woman. Another reason why shared quarters leads to ruin. It might even be better to be homeless and live in your car than with them.

After several months of abstinence, you have nothing but disdain for these people. They are disgusting and deserve to rot in their filth. You begin to rise early, want to read and better yourself throughout your waking hours. You see these disgusting, slothful oafs just lounging around, taking 4+ hours to get the day started, complaining about every little task. Whatever past friendship you once had, goes away. You see that they are captives to lower instincts and desire. They could never fast. They could never do anything great. They are anchors and anchors keep you fixed. Fixed in dirty, muddied waters to rot away and eventually sink.
You're better than that. Take flight and never look back. Find private dwellings or quarters in a community which has renounced all concupiscence. Renounce the flesh. Temper your desires while lessening your appetite. Lessen your labors and remain in your cell. Do this and you will know peace.

[Anonymous No.11642386]

>>11642348
Based.

[Anonymous No.11642387]

>>11642240
whether living with family or housemates, i am the same. my obsessive compulsive disorder and its concern with 'emotional contamination' and the perfect reading experience dont help either.
>>11642348
not a religious attitude, but a bullied child's.

[Anonymous No.11642546]

>>11642348
Besides the fact your claims are demonstrably bull shit, there's more to life than scentless toilets.

[Anonymous No.11642605]

>>11642546
>claims are demonstrably bull shit
>demonstrably bull shit
Giving a low IQ person a thesaurus is like giving a beggar a gun.
Your post is a strong emotion reaction rather than cogent argument against what was said. And, for the record, it's much more than scented toilets if you've actually read entirety of the post.

[Anonymous No.11642773]

>>11642348
this is how intelligent people don't have children and die out. you missed the part where you should marry and fuck your wife.

[Anonymous No.11642778]

>>11642240
Piss on them to assert dominance

[Anonymous No.11642787]

>>11642348
>does nofap for 4 days

[Anonymous No.11642801]

>>11642605
is demonstrably really a word that would merit a thesaurus? im pretty sure most children know it

[Anonymous No.11642838]

>>11642773
Wrong. It's not a mutually exclusive choice of either [live like a degenerate confined by your sexual whims your entire life and have children] OR [celibate and productive; die childless]. Pythagoras advocated, and indeed practiced, that chastity should only be broken for the sake of procreation. In fact, technology today enables the drawing of viable sperm via biopsy of the testes. A man may live out the rest of his days in total continence if he so needed to. Without the power of abstinence, there would have been no Isaac Newton, no Nikola Tesla. Abstinence unlocks the advanced faculties of our minds. Oppositely, activation of the sexual processes inhibits neurotransmission in the cortex of the frontal lobes so as to further procreation, so that they are diametrically opposed. This is why all priests and philosophers of ancient times demonized sex; they knew it drew us toward mediocrity, and hence likened it to animal behavior.

[Anonymous No.11642901]

>>11642348
>>11642605
Fool that you are, I can see right through your “intellectual” facade. You assume that all sexually active men are beasts obsessed groveling in the mud. You assume that they are too ignorant to pursue to higher their stature. You assume that you are smarter than them for being chaste. You assume all these things becuase you are bitter and spiteful towards sexually active people. This is proven by
>After several months of abstinence, you have nothing but disdain for these people. They are disgusting and deserve to rot in their filth.
There are three possible reasons behind this.
One, you are spiteful to sexually active people becuase you see them as unholy. If this be the case then you are committing a sin with that post. Does Jesus not say to forgive others? To not judge others? To love everyone? How can you hate and judge the unholy? Does that not make you unholy yourself hypocrite?
Two, you disdain the sexually active becuase you cannot obtain sex. While this one is mostly self-explanatory, one can see how you blatantly hate them for having sex.
Three, you hate the unchaste to appear more intelligent. Wether to yourself or to others you remain chaste to seem smarter. This is a delusion. Being chaste does not make you any less smart. James Joyce, Pynchon, Elon Musk, Bill Gates, Chopin, and Einstein were all non-celibate. They also all enjoy/enjoyed sex regularly for non-reproductive purposes.
Tl;Dr: you are a bitter man who’s life revolves around sex, or the lack therof. This is seen by your resounding hate for the non-celibate and how you see yourself above them.

[Anonymous No.11642934]

>>11642605
Half your post is obsessed with an illogical conflation of abstinence and cleanliness, a whole quarter alone on the scent of toilets. Otherwise, it makes the baseless claim that life without sexual gratification is somehow better because you stop longing for it, when in reality you don't ever truly stop longing for it, and belief systems that espouse abstinence just give you a convenient excuse so that you may as quickly and painlessly as possible rationalize your mind away from sexual urges. That's not freedom, that's failing to take responsibility for your drives. If you want to get your life in order, do so. I personally eat a very regimented diet and don't drink except for on a handful of occasions a year. I consider these to be life-affirming choices. If everyone were to heed your advice, however, humans would cease to exist because they have been socialized to feel shame for the very method by which they were created and will be perpetuated (which, scary enough, might already by happening to the native populations of first world countries). If you think the world isn't worth living in, that's fine, your life practices appear to fit right in with that view.

[Anonymous No.11643396]

>>11642838
chaste and breadpilled

[Anonymous No.11643497]

>>11642240
this why people read in a library or a coffee shop or at the park

[Anonymous No.11643712]

>>11642787
underrated post

[Anonymous No.11643841]

>>11642348
>>11642773
>>11642838
>>11642901
This was a good thread.

[Anonymous No.11644105]

>>11642901
Rekt

[Anonymous No.11644196]

>>11642901
>You assume
>You assume
>You assume
>You assume
The only person doing the assuming here is yourself. Please, spare the dime-store psychoanalysis. This is beyond Freudian analysis and pure invented conjecture fitting to your own belief that sexual activity is harmless.

>One, you are spiteful to sexually active people becuase you see them as unholy.
I view religion more as a tool for improving life in the here and now by overcoming our own biologically hardwired shortcomings. It helps induce a reflective, contemplative state and directs men to live life with some sort of purpose. I'm by no means a pious adherent but rather an outside observer, admirer. You see, hard materialism has poisoned my capacity and willingness to accept a metaphysical framework— effectively a 6 year post-graduate education of hard science that reduced a human being down to bits and pieces and the reasons and mechanisms behind why simply seemed more reasonable than that of any God. I'd venture to say that I'm not even a Christian and am agnostic.

>Two, you disdain the sexually active becuase you cannot obtain sex. While this one is mostly self-explanatory, one can see how you blatantly hate them for having sex.

On the contrary, I've obtained more than my fill, which was devoid of any purpose or outcome other than being an outlet for pleasure, which came at a physiological cost. It left my fatigued and always instilled further reinforcement to do it again. Motivational resources are limited and you are but a product of what you repeatedly do. Rather than focus on my education, my dreams and aspirations, or even reading the hundreds of books on my shelves, my foremost goals were getting into some random woman's pants or if that was unattainable, the masturbation and pornography session that awaited. The 15 minutes it took was no the problem. It was the after effects that impaired and destroyed all motivation. It ruined focus. It left me lazy and tired all the time. I seldom read any books. Yet, despite recognizing early on that it had adverse effects, I continued. The sex act seldom satiated for more than a half an hour. The only thing that brought freedom from this vicious cycle was total abstinence. It made me infinitely more productive and enabled me to embark on what I wanted to do, not some urge distracting me from these goals.

If I held nothing but contempt for such individuals as you allege, then why would I bother writing these posts? In fact, people I admire as friends, I try to steer in the right direction by mentioning them by change of life induced by chasteness.

>Three, you hate the unchaste to appear more intelligent.
I'll take a page from your playbook and say that you are projecting the reverse. It seems that your entire argument is posturing to make you seem more intelligent.

I never mentioned that leading a chaste lifestyle led to greater intelligence (a major presumption to your argument). It leads to utilizing the life you have.

[Anonymous No.11644395]

>>11644196
I really like how you didn’t actually address my third point but rather reflected it back onto me. Kind of makes you think huh?

[Anonymous No.11644466]

>>11644395
I rejected it entirely as indicated by:
>I never mentioned that leading a chaste lifestyle led to greater intelligence (a major presumption to your argument). It leads to utilizing the life you have.
The followup argument to your thought for point number three, "Wether [sic] to yourself or to others you remain chaste to seem smarter", makes no sense in light of this.

[Anonymous No.11644666]

>>11644196
>If I held nothing but contempt for such individuals as you allege, then why would I bother writing these posts? In fact, people I admire as friends, I try to steer in the right direction by mentioning them by change of life induced by chasteness.
What the hell? In your original post you said that as you develop chastity you come to see your housemates as filthy animals and that your friendships disingegrate, told OP to cut off all contact with his housemates, and mourned that “They could never fast. They could never do anything great.”

Anyway stop posting pictures of monks. It’s unfair to the christfags to be associated with you.

[Anonymous No.11644982]

>>11642348
https://youtube.com/watch?v=ZqEDhKKPl-o

[Anonymous No.11644995]

>>11642348
>>11642773
>>11642838
>>11642901
>>11644196

what the fuck is going on here

[Anonymous No.11645032]

>>11644995
breadpill OD

[Anonymous No.11645039]

>>11642348
based chasteposter

[Anonymous No.11645229]

>>11642348
Lol breadpill xD

[Anonymous No.11645277]

>>11642348
Being chaste involves more than abstaining from sexual release. It involves directing thoughts to holy matters and not material ones, and hating others for the sins that you can see is certainly not a holy way of thinking. No works can save a man from the judgment he brings upon himself when he judges his fellow man.

[Anonymous No.11645282]

>>11642901
How do you know that about Pynchon ? Is there a source that actually talks about his sex life ?

[Anonymous No.11645431]

>>11644196
You must be the same guy that was posting in that "books to help me stop fapping" thread a few days back.

I have a couple of questions for you, assuming that you actually practice what you preach.

1. How do you respond to evocative stimuli as can be found in a) the real world b) the internet at large c) /lit/ itself (which is filled with jezebel-posting)? This is not a rhetorical, tongue-in-cheek question, I'm asking sincerely. Unless you've committed yourself to a hermitic life (which by the fact that you're posting here you obviously haven't) you must have had to develop some mechanism by which you resist the "ping" of fleshly allure that sets the whole desire system aflame.

2. If you've seen such a boost of productivity from abstinence, why do you still browse 4chan? Or is it (as I suspect and hope) you only post here on occasion to forward the arguments you've made in this thread (and others)

3. What is your response to the contradictions espoused here >>11644666?

4. What makes you think that chastity is universally applicable (as a virtue)? Or rather do you? Do you believe that all people would benefit from abstaining (except say, for the purpose of procreation)? What about (and I'm rather curious about your response for this one) women?

5. Within what time frame did you start seeing your claimed benefits? Or to put it another way, suppose I began abstinence from this moment on--not for a limited period of time as the no-fap community advocates, but permanently. No sex, no masturbation, no porn, no arousing images (though question 1 becomes relevant again) etc. How long till I see these benefits you claim?

[Anonymous No.11645524]

>>11645431
Once you are conscious of the reality of the Blessed Virgin, continence is a natural way of life.

[Anonymous No.11645529]

>not being in a soundproofed studio apartment

[Anonymous No.11645607]

>>11642348
bread and chastepilled

[Anonymous No.11645672]

>>11645431
Good questions

[Anonymous No.11647200]

This was a good thread.

[Anonymous No.11647511]

>>11645524
?

[Anonymous No.11647525]

>>11645431
>1. How do you respond to evocative stimuli as can be found in a) the real world b) the internet at large c) /lit/ itself (which is filled with jezebel-posting)? This is not a rhetorical, tongue-in-cheek question, I'm asking sincerely. Unless you've committed yourself to a hermitic life (which by the fact that you're posting here you obviously haven't) you must have had to develop some mechanism by which you resist the "ping" of fleshly allure that sets the whole desire system aflame.

a) Avert my eyes whenever I see sexually evocative dress or regions. Look away entirely. It's not a white-elephant sort of deal--- I know the cost exceeds the benefit.
b) I browse with a purpose in mind usually to prevent idly just stumbling across whatever website. My use of the internet is largely limited to academic journals and books.
Ad Blockers help immensely. I have uBlock enabled at all times and let's say there is some sort of thumbnail that has the potential to be arousing in Youtube, I right click it, and ad block the individual image.
c) I use filter 4chan.org/* and seldom click the filenames (which redirect to the full image still). It sort of defeats the whole point of an "image board" but I don't care.

>2. If you've seen such a boost of productivity from abstinence, why do you still browse 4chan? Or is it (as I suspect and hope) you only post here on occasion to forward the arguments you've made in this thread (and others)
Mostly the latter. It's an interesting place to post these ideas with anonymity. However, I've been bored lately due to a vehicle accident and have had more free time than I want on my hands.

>3. What is your response to the contradictions espoused here >>11644666?
Housemates != friends. If you don't have shared interests and they're living in some way that drags you down, you need to question whether that friendship still exists.
Humans seek to emulate, and adopt social behavior. Living with others means you have a tendency to conform and engage in the same behaviors and habits of those in proximity. If they're just sitting around wasting their lives, you do not want to be dragged into their routine.

>5. Within what time frame did you start seeing your claimed benefits? Or to put it another way, suppose I began abstinence from this moment on--not for a limited period of time as the no-fap community advocates, but permanently. No sex, no masturbation, no porn, no arousing images (though question 1 becomes relevant again) etc. How long till I see these benefits you claim?
I notice benefits after 48 hours of abstinence which I attribute to lower PRL, the most immediate being increased motivation. The clearer and more creative mind where sexual associations (not urges) cease being invoked takes about three weeks. Habit pathways weaken after about 28 days and continue to the longer the abstinence.

[Anonymous No.11647543]

This thread is pure madness

[Anonymous No.11647951]

>>11642348
GREAT new PASTA

[Anonymous No.11648218]

>>11647525
Have you ever tried to condition yourself to not have to look away, tackling the response at the source instead of the stimuli? Having to look away constantly seems like being an alcoholic who can't be around a bottle instead of actually becoming strong enough to resist temptation when encountered.

[Anonymous No.11648778]

>>11647525
>I notice benefits after 48 hours of abstinence which I attribute to lower PRL
what's prl?

[Anonymous No.11649186]

>>11642348
>once you have won the battle over self
>makes it a point to come here and launch obviously competitive 'advice' at strangers
Nice. Let me know when you make it to nirvana, Mr. Monk.

[Anonymous No.11649388]

>>11649186
I like chaste anon's post and find them inspiring, maybe he's doing it out of kindness.

[Anonymous No.11649519]

>>11647525
Are you a Muslim by any chance? And if not do you live in Europe?

[Anonymous No.11649562]

>>11649519
>if you aren't a muslim do you live in europe
probably not

[Anonymous No.11649696]

Closed back headphones with ambient music.

If you are finding it hard to read at home, go to a library.

[Anonymous No.11650460]

>>11649519
No. Muslims are dogs that have no appreciation for asceticism. They reject celibacy and deem it as against God's design. In fact, their idea of the afterlife is one defined by sexual pleasures. Islam is the lowest religion in existence. No ascetic or chaste ideal.


>Celibacy is not merely unknown to Islam, it is unintelligible. - Anthony Burgess, The Enemy in the Blanket (1958)
>According to Islamic tradition (sunnah), marriage has been deemed to be an essential requirement. Celibacy has been regarded as a malevolent condition fraught with evils.- morteza Motahhari Sexual Ethics in Islam and in the Western World [Chapter 1, .

[Anonymous No.11650466]

>>11648778
Prolactin

[Anonymous No.11650612]

Unrelated but is St. Jude actually the patron saint of lost causes?

If so, that's fucking hysterical considering every children's hospital is called St. Jude's Children Hospital.

[Anonymous No.11650658]

>>11642348
C H A S T E

[Anonymous No.11650740]

I know your pain OP.

I also can't read on public transport, in a library, etc. It makes me nervous. I can only read if I'm 100% sure I'm alone. Even when I think I'm home alone I check every room just to make sure.

[Anonymous No.11651350]

>>11647525
Thanks for the answers. I've just installed ublock and have decided to give total abstinence a shot.

I plan on journaling any changes though I'm not wholly convinced of the benefits you claim (I would like to see some literature on it if you have any). I also notice that you didn't answer question 4, did you miss it or was that intentional?

Personally I think your views are extreme and therefore untenable. History is replete with examples of people that were sexually active and tremendously creative (artists of all kinds come to mind). That said, those are only my unsubstantiated feelings and therefore worthy of being questioned and tested. Moreover modern western culture has become a religion of flesh and dopamine that is equally extreme and far more damaging to the individual and to society (damage in the Buddhist sense; of unsatisfactoriness). This too demands to be questioned.

It's a strange world indeed when the porn industry makes almost ten times as much money as the movie industry.

[Anonymous No.11651432]

>>11651350
So you will go right back to violating people in sexual intercourse if you don't receive said benefits? You won't make it as long as devilish self-affirmation remains your motive. Your problem is that you can't help but defile the thing which could take you higher. You can't let go of yourself in order to overcome your current limitations.

[Anonymous No.11651452]

>>11642240
>now I'm in a house with 3 other guys, all good friends, who love to game, cook, talk and watch movies together. It is admittedly a lot of fun but I have read 80 pages in the last 2 months.
i had a similar living arrangement my second year of university. i didn't get much reading done but it was one of the most fun years of my life, and after moving out i picked my reading and self-guided studies back up. enjoy yourself for the time being anon dont sweat it, you can't forget how to read

[Anonymous No.11651463]

based chasteposters

[Anonymous No.11651495]

>>11642240
OP ignore the larping faggots
This
>>11649696
For example
rainymood .com is good for white noise. Lock your door, get in the routine of studying at a given time everyday, like immediately after class/work/waking up. If roommates complain, just say youre in the habit. Similar for locking your door around new people. If people ask if you lock the door because you dont trust them/stay in your room because of x complaint, just say youre in the habit of doing it and laugh it off.

Youll also feel guilt free to then hang out later, because you got your work done. I also recommend going to a cafe. At least there you are surrounded by strangers, and we both know youll barely look those people in the eye let alone talk to them

[Anonymous No.11651504]

>>11645431
>>11651350
> I also notice that you didn't answer question 4, did you miss it or was that intentional?
I had another large post typed up and a captcha image opened earlier, wiping everything out.
>What makes you think that chastity is universally applicable (as a virtue)? Or rather do you?
It isn't unfortunately—at least as a tenable position that fills the void of what they should do in its absence. The reason it was limited to priestly functions in the past because most people, do not require the benefits it confers. They have average intelligence, perform simple functions, and may lack the perception to notice the detriments following the sex act.
My advice is mostly directed toward young intelligent men with greater aims in life.
>Do you believe that all people would benefit from abstaining (except say, for the purpose of procreation)? What about (and I'm rather curious about your response for this one) women?
Yes (though, the culture shift required for this to be realizable makes it wishful thinking) .

Females have been shown to be less distracted by sexual images and do not have as much of an increase in serum prolactin levels following orgasm. It follows, the marginal benefit to abstinence won't be as large as physiological penalty for sexual indulgence is not as severe. However, they are still susceptible to habituation and exhibit hypersexual behaviors that undermine productivity and agency over life. Persistent genital arousal disorder can manifest in them when this is escalated to extremes, which leaves women with a constant itch needing to be scratched more times a day than they urinate.

[Anonymous No.11651562]

>>11642348
>>11644196

Look sir, I don't know who you are but I want you to be in my life. I'll admit that I haven't read all your responses to these people who are caught in this cycle of vanity like myself. And though I can't wait to read all your responses (which I will once I'm done writing this and am awaiting your response), I realise that you are too precious to not immediately cling on to and start following.
The situation you described of living with 3 or 4 other guys, all seeking to relieve animal urges of sex, masturbation, and alcohol is exactly how my life is right now.

I'm 19 and want to escape this lifestyle which I've been trying to do for a couple of years but with each passing day the possibility of an escape deteriorates.

Is there someplace I can follow you (on social media) or some avenue where I can message you privately and maybe (forgive me if I'm getting too ahead of myself) even talk on phone.

And also do forgive me for any errors in punctuation or grammar that must have seeped in to this plea for english is not my native tongue.

[Anonymous No.11651590]

>>11651350
>I plan on journaling any changes though I'm not wholly convinced of the benefits you claim (I would like to see some literature on it if you have any)

>Science Discovers the Physiological Value of Continence
>Plain Facts for Old and Young

Use Google Books and limit the time period to 1750-1935 roughly and search for terms like "sexual excess", "self-abuse" to get an idea of how mainstream these opinions used to be.
I hold the old hypotheses regarding the detriments of the sex act to be true but their proposed mechanisms to be crude. They again deserve to be taken seriously with modern medical insights on neuro-endocrinal processes which reveal satisfactory explanations for why sex incurs a penalty.

Here is an older post you probably saw. It will give you some idea of where in modern journals articles.

The fact is that the sex act (masturbation included), from arousal to ejaculation to habituation has chilling physiological repercussions.
Endocrinology and neuroscience show that shy of drugs, no other action affects the body so much, so suddenly--- hormones, neurotransmitters, are all profoundly affected. Upon arousal, dopamine is released, not only in the capacity of motivating you, as would be the impetus for wanting to grab that needle of heroin, but you are biologically rewarded just for the mere image of arousal!
Then sexual stimulation occurs, and opioid facilitated reward begins, as even more dopamine is released.
Finally, it culminates in orgasm. The final reward is there. Endogenous opioid peptides suddenly flood the brain, the love hormone oxytocin for bonding is released which also signals the conversion of T to DHT, 5-HT increases, and the anti-dopamine hormone prolactin rises sharply, gonadotropin inhibitory hormone is released, and that is just scratching the surface.
With endless variety, this act is able to be repeated beyond what would ever be encountered in nature and it takes a severe toll.
Your strongest motivation pathways become your sexual ones! The limited resources of the brain and body are squandered.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4896089/#S6title


I lost an SSD with articles from countless journals which I would have gladly opened a shared folder to. I had excellent notes citing the mechanisms on why sexual activity wasn't the free lunch everyone thought to be. I was going to publish in Medical Hypotheses and even had a draft prepared but opted not to. I feared a stigma of being a modern day Kellogg might undermine my credibility in other publications and never received a reply back about publishing under a nom de plume. Whenever I resume/complete residency, I may write a book on it under a pseudonym.

[Anonymous No.11651692]

>>11651562
My friend, do not take this the wrong way but the reason I advocate these ideas here is because of the anonymity of this website. The only other online presence I have is on SDN. When I'm healthy, I'm normally working 60+ hour weeks and only had the extra time to post here in depth since a car accident several months ago. As much as I would like to mentor you, I cannot.
If it is of any consolation, it isn't too late for you. The brain is still developing and hyperplastic until the mid 20s. Your chance of intervention and altering behaviors and routines is much easier at your age than someone say late 20s.
My advice for you is to have a drastic and total change of life. Change your enviroment and you'll change your life.
You need a total enviroment change and the best place to get this done is to stay at a monastery. This is your chance to restart.
When you emerge, stick to the routine they instill.
I suggest Benedictine monasteries if you live in the West. Orthodox and Buddhist (only in East Asia for the latter; Western ones are touristy frauds) monasteries are acceptable too. All of these usually will let you stay with them for a few weeks free of charge, especially if you live as they do rather than as a "guest". Avoid the fake monasteries set up as tourist places.

[Anonymous No.11651793]

>>11651692
I understand sir,
Anonymity today is one of the most vital assets. From your response I realised how work is almost indispensable and how much I am alienated from the idea of working.
I'm an Indian studying in Australia right now and because of my academic obligations, can't go off the grid and join a monastery. I know there will always be excuses to bring about change but I don't feel brave enough right now to go on that path.
I can although change my environment, possibly drastically. I'm inclined to thank you for your posts and affirm that I'd try my best to follow your advice but I'm also continually made aware of how deeply corrupted my mind currently is. Sexual urges and physiological desires make me stray further from living a chaste life and though I'm sure what you said would benefit me greatly, I just can't see myself successfully walking that path without a thorough resolve to disregard everything I perceive as valuable. That is something I can't currently afford because of repercussions that will encompass my family too, a prospect which scares me more than living a wasteful life rotting into oblivion.

Again sir, thank you for taking the time and I'd understand if you think this doesn't warrant a response from you.

[Anonymous No.11652468]

>>11651793
I had to tackle this problem on my own without change of enviroment, especially my early attempts. I understand the frustration.

My suggestion is to alter your own enviroment to the best of your ability. Organize your desktop, change the background. Cultivate a new routine. Get up early and rise as soon as you wake. Go out for a stroll. Treat this as seriously as you would a serious drug addiction.
Much like attaining the degree can set you up for success, so can abstinence.

Once you finally attain freedom, remember, the wise advice of Musonius Rufus, "To relax the mind is to lose it".
There is good advice from your nation by Swami Vivekananda. I discovered him about a year ago and found the whole "brahmacharya" concept to be yet another deep well, full of information for abstinence. It is difficult to relate to and it can be a bit too mystic at times for me, but I can assume you'll find this school of thought more intelligible.

I wish you success. Leave some means of contacting you, NOT associated with any sort of real life persona.
I may write you some years down the line, with organized advice and books.

[Anonymous No.11652556]

>>11652468

Thank you master. Please don't mind me calling you master.
Yes, I'm aware of the swami and his literature. But never could come even remotely close to adopting his teachings. That is before today. I think the indian philosophy about celibacy and refocusing on other things to become something more than you thought possible is extensive. And I'll also be able to relate as you say to it better because of my existing familiarity with it's foundations.
As for going on walks and developing routines, this is perhaps going to be the hardest for me to actually do. I've had certain dissapointments lately on the social front because of which I can't find part time work. This means that I have very little reason to go out as a few acquaintances that I have who usually have a greater control over sexual urges than me have their jobs.
I realise that I have to tread on this path of change alone but I'm just too weak right now and am always seeking social approval.
I'll probably wait till I can find work and have a reliable social setting I can frequent and then try and regulate my interactions to reflect my new outlook on life.

And master, your last point about contact, nothing would give me greater pleasure.

I'll write my email - [e-mail]

[Anonymous No.11652617]

>>11652556
Spare the title. I am only a man. Please delete the post, I have saved the email.
Like I said, it will be quite some time before I attempt to contact you. It will be at least a year. I will not send attachments of any sort. Please be wary of imposters.

[Anonymous No.11652659]

>>11651590
>Plain Facts for Old and Young
Lmao

[Anonymous No.11653115]

>>11642240
read outside, find a nice secluded forest where you wont be tampered with

[Anonymous No.11653124]

>>11642348
>>11642348
its funny, im not op but when you said "takes 4+ hrs to get read" that resonated wtih me for some reason, i feel like im never awake, like every moment is a hyperrealistic dream superimposed on my cognition.
I do masturbate but knowingly that it is a drag and it slows me down, i cant get ready to live whiel i do realise my mistakes.
Every moment is like being trapped inside a glass jar, not knowing how to break out.
But it seem like everyone else sees as a normal person.
Is this whats its like to be the same as everyone else ? When will this pain end ?

[Anonymous No.11653205]

>>11652617
I can't for some reason delete the post.
The only reason I deemed addressing you with the title was because sir sounded disingenuous.

And like you say,.. don't know what to call you if not master
But like you say, poster, I will be on the lookout for you to contact me. Doesn't matter if it's a year or more. And regarding imposters, I'll know in the first paragraph that it's not you, for you are more than the mere mortals that I see on the daily.

[Anonymous No.11653285]

>>11651590
I looked up a single claim to judge your general reliability, and chose the DHT one, which is entirely false. Masturbation does not effect DHT levels.

[Anonymous No.11653343]

>>11651590
Based chasteposter

I think anons would appreciate someone with a medical background completing a literature review of the harms, or costs, of orgasm. Please consider re-compiling those studies.

[Anonymous No.11653353]

Can’t wait til that decadent chasteposter starts a suicide cult and takes all these submissive dogs with him

[Anonymous No.11653363]

>>11653205
>>11652617
>>11651793
dear lord is starting a cult this easy, do followers just throw themselves at you

[Anonymous No.11653394]

>>11653205
Right, pretty sure both chasteposter and you are the same person.

Well memed but you went too far.

[Anonymous No.11653401]

>>11653124
You feel trapped in a dream because you are, in Kantian terms, under the yoke of heteronomy, where you are conflicted between doing the whim's of your innate ambitions (manifesting namely in the desires to build, to create, to explore) and that those of your lower urges which have been corrupted, reinforced and habituated to serve the end of momentary, wasteful pleasure. Without autonomy, you are but a passenger in this ride of life at most times. Mechanistically, sexual excess has caused your frontal lobes to atrophy, gray matter measurably decreases as pornography consumption escalates^1, if you are looking for a more materialist explanation. Your motivational pathways have been wasted on getting off and you have little motivation left to pursue any other activity.

>When will this pain end?
It begins to abate whenever you recognize this battle going on before you, recognizing that agency over the course your very life takes is at stake. Should reason triumph in this battle, the pain truly ends, you are no longer serving two masters and you've reached freedom (true autonomy). The chart of your life is directed, as you were before this instinct manifested, by your boundless dreams devised by your higher faculties which brings true joy and contentment that, in retrospect, reduces the allure of temporal pleasures to rubble.

>But it seem like everyone else sees as a normal person.
That's because, by and large, "everyone else" is mediocre. You aspire for more, they do not.
How many books does "everyone else" read? Are they overweight? Do they feel even the slightest desire to overcome this? Not at all. In fact, everything they do in life is a hassle. To many, their only reason for any sort of action is to "get laid".


^1 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24871202

>>11653285
>I nitpicked one small detail to judge everything, and failed to find anything, therefore everything is wrong!
No, you just failed at "looking up" the sources from a simple google search, because you are ignorant of human physiology and endocrinology and did not know how to proceed—and instead banked a left turn and proceeded to make an argument from ignorance to support your counterclaim (I can't find anything studies therefore masturbation doesn't affect DHT all!).

Allow me show a study which indeed supports the aforementioned ejaculation-oxytocin-DHT relationship what your failed search did not yield:

>Oxytocin—its role in male reproduction and new potential therapeutic uses
https://academic.oup.com/humupd/article/12/4/437/2182089

>At ejaculation, a burst of OT is released from the neurohypophysis into the systemic circulation and stimulates contractions of the reproductive tract aiding sperm release.
>Interestingly, OT has also been shown to modulate androgen levels in these tissues via stimulation of the conversion of testosterone to dihydrotestostone (DHT) by 5α-reductase.

[Anonymous No.11653521]

>>11653401

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/570382

" Another study compares men with normal sexual activity levels to men that deliberately avoided sexual activity. Blood sample data showed no difference between the two groups in the levels of total testosterone, free testosterone and luteinizing hormone (LH). "

You're right that OT is involved in ejaculation and 5α-reductase, but a higher rate of the former does not effect the latter.

[Anonymous No.11653868]

>>11653521
Actually desu I read more about this and retract my statement. Your individual facts seem reliable, breadposter, though I'm highly suspicious of your conclusions and you seem slightly insane.

But I'm updating my beliefs on this subject a bit anyway

[Anonymous No.11654008]

>>11642787
lol

[Anonymous No.11654262]

>>11653868
It is rare when someone retracts their positions after defending it this far in. I appreciate it and scrubbed the hostility from my rebuttal---I am still posting it for the sake of the unique information contained within, which you may find curious. I hope you are in research, it is a desirable, if not admirable, trait.

>>11653521 [Reply to your earlier post]
>You're right that OT is involved in ejaculation and 5α-reductase, but a higher rate of the former does not effect the latter.
It says it, plain as day, that oxytocin increases 5α-R activity which (as you seemingly know) would in turn lead to a greater amount of DHT.
>OT has been shown to increase 5α -reductase activity in the testis and epididymis of adult male rats (Nicholson and Jenkin, 1994). In vitro experimentation demonstrated that OT increased 5α -reductase activity in a dose-related manner. Pickering et al. (1990) postulated that ‘a group of Sertoli cells sense that the particular stage of the spermatogenic cycle taking place in their immediate environment needs cell re-arrangement or a decrease in local androgen production. By secreting a factor that leads to a release of OT from the neighbouring Leydig cells, the Sertoli cells can bring about a decrease in local T production as well as cause a local increase in the undulating type A movements of that section of the tubule’. In this way, the physiological actions of OT on seminiferous tract contractility and steroidogenesis can be explained logically and the origin of OT does not affect this hypothesis (Pickering et al., 1990).

Linked is a study that shows a statistically significant relationship between DHT and sexual frequency. They hypothesize high levels of DHT cause one to seek out sexual activity, however, the reverse could be true as well, that high levels of DHT are a consequence of high amounts of sexual activity. [Alternatively still, and most interestingly, it could be both--feedback/rebound mechanism!]
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2549675/
It's not a stretch to postulate that this entire process facilitates androgen homeostasis as testosterone does slightly rise after ejaculation and 5α-R induction by oxytocin would serve to offsets this.

>>11653343
Writing is helping me organize my thoughts and aiding in my quest to re-compile these as I rediscover and find new studies as I am researching. You'll need to wait for my magnum opus, I have nearly recovered from my vehicle accident and will be back to 60+ hour weeks here soon.

[Anonymous No.11654527]

>>11642240
>be me
> have this problem
>go to local library to read one day
>fuckin library is loud as fuck, tutors teaching kids how to.do math, libraeians speaking with outdoor voices to patrons
>get pissed and gp outside
>mfw sweary.jpg

Libraries have become more or less community centers and unfortunately no places to read quietly any more.

[Anonymous No.11655813]

>>11653115
why the fuck should he have to go to the forest? how bout he gets the house and his dumbass gamer friends to play the real world for a few hours.

[Anonymous No.11655950]

>>11654527
tell your "friends" to go out next time l. betcha they won't do the same. roommates are Soviet style apartment cramming and a meme. wasn't like that in the 1930s and 1950s. we aren't meant to live crammed like sardines
>muh capitalism!

[Anonymous No.11656880]

>>11654262
Thanks lad - not in research, just fell for the rationality / effective altruism meme in 2010 and retained some non-insane elements after my deprogramming

[Anonymous No.11656899]

>>11653363
I've never felt this way before
Been shitposting on 4chan for a year now and this was the first out of the ordinary experience I had. Go read all of his posts and you will understand why I wanted to call him master. I wish I could meet him but I know that's not possible at the moment.

[Anonymous No.11656998]

>>11642348
>Living with men who are 'sexually active' (any release, doesn't matter if they are single) is unbearable once you have won the battle over self. They either bring home women or defile themselves alone somewhere in the house.
Oh man do you have me pegged.

[Anonymous No.11657048]

>>11642240
I've been staying at a friend's house because of financial troubles and when he gets home, he just watches YouTube video after YouTube video, and admittedly he watches informative stuff about politics and current events but it is just a constant noise and he keeps it so loud and when he talks it is incessant and by the end of the night I am mentally exhausted and on nights when I want to work on writing I hole myself up in the room for a couple hours early on but I don't like the feeling.

He's on vacation now and I came home and poured a stiff drink and put on some relaxing music and read for over an hour. It was the most serene thing.

[Anonymous No.11657271]

>>11653124
are you me

[Anonymous No.11657412]

>>11657048
Tell him to get FUCKING HEADPHONES

[Anonymous No.11657422]

>>11657412
He watches it on his big screen TV.

[Anonymous No.11658416]

>>11657422
You can still hook headphones up to a TV

[Anonymous No.11658431]

>>11657412
>>11658416
110% a bad move

[Anonymous No.11658450]

>>11658431
Why?

[Anonymous No.11658458]

>>11658450
dude's already imposing by staying with this guy for free (or close to it i assume). asking the guy to change up his personal routine to fit anon's preferences is imposing even more. you'd look like a real ungrateful cunt doing that.

[Anonymous No.11658716]

>>11657412
>be broke bum
>good samaritan lets you stay at his place
>start complaining and making him adjust his way of living like a whiny girlfriend

I suggest not being a cunt instead.

[Anonymous No.11658990]

>>11642348
>Posted from the top of a wheel on a pole in the middle of the Syrian desert

[Anonymous No.11658997]

>>11657048
He live alone?

Now you know why.

It's his space of course, you're a guest in it, and you need his ass more 'n he needs the emotional validation of helping you out.

Take it as a life lesson on what personal habits irritate you though, and never marry a woman who displays them.

[Anonymous No.11659367]

>>11658431
>>11658458
>>11658997
here's an idea.
tell him you're reading to prepare for a job and then politely ask him to wear headphones.

[Anonymous No.11659518]

>>11642348
Based and redpilled

[Anonymous No.11659526]

>>11659367
>lying to your benevolent host

[Anonymous No.11659868]

>>11659526
>changing your good routine to accompany your roommates bad routine because he's just a means to an end to your shelter concerns
A real friend would understand. if you weren't worried about a roof over your head, you'd ask without lying. you aren't doing what is best for you or him, because free rent dude.
selfish motives for the host are implied too... Conditional friendships aren't friendships. If you dislike someone for asking you to wear headphones (free to say no), you weren't their friends. If you let them stay with you and it boils down to your benevolence instead of concern for their well being.... you are not a friend.
using people is lying too.

[Anonymous No.11659926]

>>11642348
>he thinks women (who are receptacles for men) and virility are bad
think again, padre.

[Anonymous No.11659938]

>>11659868
or anon could get some earplugs and read in peace without making himself more of a burden than he already is.

[Anonymous No.11659963]

>>11659938
that works too

[Anonymous No.11660570]

>>11659926
>he thinks women (who are receptacles for men) and virility are bad
That makes about as much sense as saying you should kill yourself because skulls are receptacles for bullets.

[Anonymous No.11661772]

>>11658716
I didn’t see the first sentence Whatever you mad idiot?

[Anonymous No.11661846]

you don't see threads like this every day. wew, what a ride. crazy AND thought provoking

[Anonymous No.11662146]

Wow, didn't realize I'd start a debate.

>>11658416
>>11658458
This. That is completely inapropriate for me to ask since I am staying in somebody else's house, which they one, and I'm not paying rent, and I can easily just go upstairs and put on my own headphones.

[Anonymous No.11662181]

>>11662146
you didn't start a debate you dumb idiot i'mn gonna smash your brains in i'm gonna rape yaa

[Anonymous No.11662187]

>>11662181
Are you a six foot Amazonian woman?

[Anonymous No.11663555]

>>11662146
then why did you ask?

[Anonymous No.11663578]

>>11642348
>stayed in monastic settings and the lavatory had no scent
>he thinks monks and nuns don't fuck or masturbate
lel

[Anonymous No.11663859]

>>11663555
Ask what?

[Anonymous No.11663954]

>>11663578
>I never went without ejaculating for a few days dude, it's impossible
>lmao, therefore monks can't!!!!! check mate!
You're wrong. In the absence of sexually arousing stimuli, in total seclusion and meditation, abstinence is not only easy but the default state. It's possible they might have suffered losses from time to time but to suggest it's being done habitually is absurd.

[Anonymous No.11665213]

>>11642348
>>11642838
>>11644196
>>11647525
>>11651590
>>11651692
>>11652468
>>11653401
Great posts.

an unexpected surprise to this thread.

[Anonymous No.11665802]

>>11665213
You're welcome.