/lit/ - Literature

>>9996129
No natural selection to get rid of the weak hedonistic scum

>>9996129
They are mentally not prepared for adulthood after 18 years of coddling.

>>9996143
This

Also, it became the norm after a while so ridicule that would normally stamp it out of them no longer exists

>>9996141
>>9996143
How far /lit/ has fallen...

>>9996143
Indeed

>>9996129
Social engineering to delay the onset of adulthood, adult babies are easy to rule and influence by appealing to their emotions and desires. See Plato, Bernays, Marcuse, A Huxley etc.

>>9996161
>tfw you look up Bernays and see what sort of stuff he was promoting

bump

>>9996161
>>9996143
>>9996141
Source?
One or two papers will do.

>>9996129
Because they (finally) can.

>>9996129

They're all having fun and I admire it but whenever I turn up to places and see people that ugly I'm always put off and realise I could never join in because I'd eventually insist on going out to bars to chat up girls.

>>9996129
4th from the right is high as fuck.

>>9996129
Lack of a meaningful life so they retreat into childhood in order to ward off the emptiness they feel inside from dodging their free will for their entire lives. They substitute the self for a manufactured identity centered around a time consuming distraction.

>>9996475
>implying there is a self that isn't "manufactured"

Hey fuck you, Star Trek is an awesome show.

>>9996480
>implying the self isn't created by embracing your free will and it's relation to your inevitable death

>>9996129
There was a time when I thought that watching anime is intelligent and counterculture.
But I don't regret it too much. There are some shows like Niea_7, Windy Tales or FLCL that I have fond mermories of.

>>9996488
Mohammad please go

>>9996502
Why do most people who watch anime end up being these massive weeaboos, though? I met a guy today who had a fucking anime character as his phone background, and he seemed totally normal. It's like degeneracy that lurks beneath the surface.

>>9996129

Lets put it like this. If someone in Victorian times dressed up like a fox or wore a diaper they would have been put in an Asylum. This happened all the way up until as recent as the late 90's. The problem honestly is how the internet has connected everyone.

Think about it, without the instant communication and gratification of others stating that it's perfectly normal for this weird shit to happen we would still be locking them up.

The good news is that we can prey off the weak and make money from them. I personally know someone who makes a mint by selling T-shirts that say "Womyn Power" and "Yiff All Night" on them. He is literally the patriarchy they are trying to fight against, and they're just shoveling money at him. Up to 5 digits on a monthly basis.

>>9996129
>that image

>>9996129

A manchild hasn't learned the meaning of sacrifice. They haven't learned their limits and accepted them. They are still working under the delusion that the sky is the limit for them. After all, children are nothing but potential. I've played video games for a long time and I can't tell you how many idiots I've met that had delusions of grandeur.

But an adult should be potential realized, however finite that potential may be. A manchild has failed to do this and set upon a given path, it is why he is so terrified at the prospect, and fails to follow-through.

He can't accept his own limitations and come to terms with them. His own inability to choose will catch up to him, and the choice will be made for him eventually, whether he likes it or not.

>>9996129
Which one are you

>>9996475
g-give me back my diary

>>9996129
I love browsing these threads because it's the only way to feel better about myself; by putting others down.

>>9996562


Post a picture of yourself

>>9996646

>>9996566
>tfw so enlightened I'm not on the chart

>>9996646

>>9996646

>>9996694
what is this from

>>9996129
Escapism is easier than dealing with problems, or facing issues that aren't black and white/left-right. Superhero films easily show the hero and villain, who to cheer for, who to attack etc.

Peterson was right about how lots of "men" play video games for 12+hrs a day because its escape, with clear objectives and chances to retry whenever you fuck up, so nothing is perminent.


But don't talk shit about Star Trek, there are legit philosophical ideas within the series. Its Star Wars which is all surface

>>9996129
>men who spend their lives in irrelevant intellectual masturbation can't comprehend how others could do the same thing with different window dressing
kek

>>9996129
Because the human being is bored of itself and search for something better (for them)

>>9996758
I'm pretty sure you aren't just baiting, which is pretty sad because it means you think literature and video games have some kind of an equivalency between them

>>9996766

you know he'll just claim he's baiting in the end

>>9996129
It isn't anime or Star Trek. It is, but not the same way.
They make an identity for themselves out of these products.
It's all done to foster up a sense of belonging. Problem is, that these hobbies rarely encourage creativity and "production" of respectable content. (I'd say cosplay is better, since you can learn tailoring and other such things to make your costumes, an honourable thing to do)

>>9996766
>WTF BOOKS R LE SMART

>>9996766
They're more similar than not. I won't deny that I take more pleasure from a well-written book than a video game, but both provide opportunity for meaning. I've had significant emotional experiences doing both.

>>9996773
It was glib, but I stand by the sentiment. There is more similarity in obsessively pursuing those solitary, intellectually-focused activities than in either compared to things that involve a larger physical component. They're not the same, but it's silly to claim that they're mutually incomprehensible.

>>9996719
Zaizen Tokiko from Idolmaster Cinderella.
You slut.

The greatest achievement of art is an anime series. Get over it you noncultured twerp.
m-maybe if i read le smartie greek n rowman books i will be reel man n smart n dont need no feewings n girls will liek me
;c i am le smartie reden teh russen bookz if wi dnt hav crisdandy ten evyron wil b diginrate n raip

>>9996803
BASED.

>>9996540
most weeaboos are effectively pornography addicts. anime girls are concentrated appeal; it's really easy to get hooked on them. 'otaku culture' is a bunch of dudes addicted to moe and masturbation. everything is hyper-sexualized (just look at how /a/ fetishizes *absolutely everything*: anime girl armpits, anime girl bellybuttons, anime girl collarbones, glasses, stockings, schoolgirl outfits, facial expressions, etc etc etc...)
it's like normie porn addiction, but worse: it has a very large emotional aspect (due to anime's basis as a storytelling medium), and it's also much more social than typical erotic-stimulation based addiction: you're allowed to talk about anime in public and with all the other weebs out there, thus supporting your inclusion into the 'culture' (which also makes you think of it as an identity, making it more difficult to 'get out')

anime fans typically fall on a spectrum between "lauding anime as a high-quality artistic form of storytelling", and "pure hedonistic moe-based sexual pleasure". i think there's always a slow pull to the right no matter where you lie (and the anime industry is shifting that way since it's what the otaku pay for).

not implying the dude you met is like that, but he might be on the path towards it.

The world of work is total shit. They choose not to enter it and use media to simulate experiences.

>>9996129
Star Trek is cool you gay boy. Watching TNG is far different than going full out autist about it

>>9996540
There is absolutely nothing wrong with having something that interests you as your phone background.
>muh degeneracy
kek

>>9996540
Versus normies with big boobie porn stars as their phone background?
Tell me right now what's objectively wrong with having this as a phone background

>>9996924

It displays your objectively shit taste

>>9996936
Why?
How?
Give me a quick rundown of the series I just posted.
Show me your big boobie bitches phone background, why don't you?
Or is it some fedoralord lounging in a chair with glasses, a pipe, a bed robe, whiskey, and some trash 17th century philosophy text or garbage Russian novel?

>>9996944
>Give me a quick rundown of the series I just posted.
>Show me your big boobie bitches phone background, why don't you?
Or is it some fedoralord lounging in a chair with glasses, a pipe, a bed robe, whiskey, and some trash 17th century philosophy text or garbage Russian novel?

Oh lord.

There's no difference at all between being a weaboo, a sports freak, someone really into literature or a teenager girl watching 4 daily hours of Netflix; these are all passive hobbies, the only difference being a few of them are more socially normalized than others. Of course, it's just so easy pointing your finger at a 35% bodyfat pale tweaky manchild, that doesn't mean it's the right thing to do or that you have a solid grievance against them

>>9996944

Here's my big boobie bitch you sea urchin

>>9996944
>Give me a quick rundown of the series I just posted
some kid surfs with robots and then there's a terrible sequel
It's shit because it's fucking nothing. It's just a picture of a made up woman who's already cobbled together from the NEET ideals of women. Go outside and take a picture of a squirrel or some shit.

You guys think you're any different from those people? You all read fiction. You are just as bad.


>my fiction is better than your fiction

>>9996129
lack of father figure

>>9996955
>muh myth
>>>/pol/
>>9996957
Totally wrong. Try again.
I didn't realize that PTSD and canon invirginity were 'neet ideals'
>how dare this person have an attachment to something that i dont like?

>>9996963
The hilarious thing is people posting on 4chan while posing as Serious Adults and whining about manchildren.
Absolutely zero self-awareness.

>>9996129
i'd do the fatty in the gas mask if she kept it on

>>9996963
Shhh, let them pat each other's back because of their "superiority" and "objectively good taste"

>>9996840
>anime fans typically fall on the spectrum
Agreed

>>9996969
>I didn't realize that a traumatized girl who wants a childlike figure who still has the potential to be the hero and save the day is a NEET fantasy
yikes

>>9996975
So, you've never seen it. Good job pseud. Go whine about >muh no gf while reading Dosto.

>>9996566
I really need some explanations on this one. Can't find a thing on the "society for spinozist spiritual ascension" for example.

>>9996129

I'm still a manchild at 26, unfortunately. But I've suffered so much for it that I'm finally being forced to change my ways.

Better than at 40, I guess.

>>9996972
She's a big girl

>>9996978
lol i'm not gay so i don't watch anime

>>9996984
Man, this is just embarrassing

>>9996954
/thread

>>9996566
ok, but what the fuck is a goytoy, bugmen and so on?

>>9996994

I assume goytoy is implying people who are falling for the sales tactics of a perceived hack

I guess me adhering to some of Jordan Peterson's advice makes me an acolyte, idk

it's helped me greatly so far, so hey

>>9996994
>bugmen
google "TV AMERIKWA REAL NEWS"
go from there

>>9996986
sorry lad this is not a place for you >>>/a/
you destroyed /g/ with your degeneracy, I won't let you destroy this board too

Anime is cool.

>>9997027
You could have just asked, anon.

>>9996766
What makes them so different? You can have deep, thought-provoking games just like you can have crappy, thoughtless novels. Games and books have a similar ability to tell a story and transfer the user into an alternate world, both can drive at hard held beliefs, and both can be shallow wastes of time as well.

>>9996803
They did think women could never be a true companion in the Symposium.

>>9997035
I'm not that anon though

>>9997045
>You can have deep, thought-provoking games

These do not exist, unless you are talking about strategy games, which do require deep thought since it involves heavy tactics. If you're talking about story it's a good sign that you have never had a 'deep' thought in your life.

>>9997045
there *can* be, but I would say that games are held back by their typical form of skinner box pleasure. also, if someone wants to create a thought-provoking piece of art, it's rare for someone's medium of choice to be video game instead of something better equipped, like literature or film.

>>9996954
This is the sad truth. The only valid interests are those that are creative in nature. Everything else is just passive consumption of social product. Yes, there is a need to consume in order to produce but most people who read literature, watch entertainment media, or watch sports only end up consuming, never allowing that interest to flourish into a creative project.

>>9996129
>I'm better than everyone else: The Post.

>>9996803
I like Russian novels because they're like my Japanese animes. They have self-insert MCs, tsunderes, lolis, moe, and forced drama.

>>9997076
What the hell are you? That the mcdonalds employees, the accounatents, the car mechanics, and the dog tamers who "consume" art should ALL pick up tuba playing, poetry, or fingerpainting?

Can you even imagine how stupid a world would be where everyone that buys movies tries to make movies?

>>9997120

Are you actually retarded? His advice was shallow and generalized, but it's easy to follow.

Create and consume. Don't just consume. Whatever that may be, creativity is productivity. How did you miss this simple conclusion?

>>9996981
>Canadian English dictionary
triggered desu
do you consider "Canadian English" a different language to English from the UK?

>>9996758
>>9996795
I like you. The thread should have ended after your first post, because everyone responding seriously got BTFO.

>>9996129
Was this the last /lit/ meetup?

>>9997128
It's a mix between UK and USA English desu
Also a few Canadian only words

>>9997074
>if someone wants to create a thought-provoking piece of art, it's rare for someone's medium of choice to be video game instead of something better equipped, like literature or film
I'm reading a lot of modernist writing from the birth of cinema, and it's amazing how many of them said similar things about film as it emerged as a medium.

>>9997144
Can't be. The people are smiling.

>>9996550
can you build an adequate defence for why such 'weird' behaviours are wrong and should be discouraged?

I'm starting to think manchildren aren't even a thing. The definition is so nebulous, it seems to shift depending on what the speaker wants to attack.

>>9997171

t. manchild

>>9996167
holy shit

>>9997171
Pretty much. The focal point for being a man child changes, depending on what the person specifically dislikes.
If I had to try and define it, I'd say that being it means being an adult man that makes most of his social and recreational interactions through interest in a medium that is quite clearly aimed towards children. Or at the very least, a proportion that is viewed as unseemly in regular society. The sort of people that use the word "fandom" in a serious sense.

If you watch anime and aren't ashamed of it, you have no place on this board.

>>9997204
>underage babbies still pride themselve in exclusively reading literature

>>9997201
Makes sense, I guess we could say it's people who base their identity around their affections as opposed to action? Rick and Morty fans being a prime example.

>>9996129
Man who even fucking cares
If somebody likes to dress up like a video game character or watch mass produced plebshit anime, but otherwise has their shit together (ie having a job and not living at home), then how are they a manchild?

>>9997204
no place in life*
>>9997144
>Russia
>/lit/ meetup
:thinking:

>>9997171
>The definition is so nebulous
it really isn't. it's grown people that are really into anime, games, toys, cartoons, ponies and other shit like this

>>9997204

Anime is that kind of hobby that's just pathetic no matter what. Video games, for example, can be pretty cringe if you play them heavily, but they are still acceptable in small doses and when you are playing the right ones.

It's one thing to be a greasy fat neckbeard who plays MMOs for 12 hours a day, another to play Total War and other assorted strategy games now and then, not even daily. I typically have 3-4 games I look forward to in a year and play them a bit, then put them down or shelve them for later use.

There's value in going with something simplistic and base in that it helps you wind down after a tough day of consuming or creating.

>>9997170
They produce people with very little ability to support a normal and easily integrated life oftentimes by encouraging and exacerbating underlying issues in many cases. Where before a diaper fetishist could be reintegrated through some time in an asylum or through therapy in previous times, they are today encouraged by endorsement or passivity, allowing many people to become much more (without a better word) degenerate in their manners.

>>9996129
>How does modern philosopher explain it?
It's a bunch of sub8/non nt cope in a tinder world and basically they will never be loved by anyone who matters, they lost at life and they know it deep down so there's the escapism of fandom where you don't even have to be particularly intelligent to fit in (let alone good looking) and be respected by your equally subhuman peers. Path of least resistance as usual

>>9997241
No, video games are unacceptable regardless of duration. If you want to play something exciting and increase your coordination, play a sport with friends. If you want to play something strategic, play chess.

>>9996566
Nice bait, but I'm not falling for it!
*scuttles away*

>>9997204
There's good, intellectual anime though.

>>9997157
I think that the problem is
a) in videogames (usually) the player decide the pacing and camera angles
b) you need to work as a team and sell a lot (1mil+) to even get a chance of a sequel and decent recognition. Also the publisher just want something with a 1 year lifespan and with already 2 sequel scheduled

You can also see point b happening in films: the producer just want the blandest, safest and focus-group approved shit to get a return.

In literature you just need a pen, a sheet of paper and depression/other mental problems to write a decent book.

>>9996129
You first have to explain why it's wrong to be a manchild. I doubt you can do this sufficiently.

>>9997276

You miss the point. Sometimes you need something mindless and instantly gratifying to juxtapose other more productive aspects of your life.

Chess is an inferior waste of time precisely because it's more intellectually stimulating.

>unironically watching a cartoon after 12
I love how the autistic weebs always come to defend their childish hobby in these threads.
I feel good knowing that their inferior genes die with them.

>>9996167
>influenced by Gustave Le Bon
never read a more solipsistic, self contradictory and more poorly argued book than psychologie des foules

>>9997218
>>9997290
>chill out dude it's fun

>>9997290
He doesn't need to.
It's self evident to anybody with even a shred of self awareness.
Watch your cartoons, if you must.
Play your video games.
Desperately defend these activities on a ripoff of a Japanese imageboard.
But if you don't have even a vague feeling that you could be spending your time better, there's something wrong with you. Doubly so if you're older than 20.

Adulthood is a meme.

>>9997321
Being a manchild isn't based on your activities, it's based on your mindset. There's nothing wrong with playing video games by itself. That doesn't mean that revolving your entire life around them is a good idea, though.

Here, let's do a food analogy for the brainlets:

Take a cheeseburger. If your cheeseburger has ketchup and lettuce in it, and that makes you hate the cheeseburger when you taste it, do you:

A) Swear off cheeseburgers forever
B) Try a cheeseburger with different ingredients

:thinking:

>>9996129
>genre fiction
Opinion discarded.

>>9997321
>if you don't have even a vague feeling that you could be spending your time better, there's something wrong with you.
What should I do after spending my time better during free time alone?

>>9997340
Improving yourself

>>9997333
>That doesn't mean that revolving your entire life around them is a good idea, though.

Why.

>>9997348

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjfClL6nogo&t=

>>9997332
yes it is. it says that people after coming off age somehow spend their time in more useful ways.
which clearly they don't

lotta spooks in here

>>9997356
>nice starbucks ad
how symptomatic

How do we deal with Peterson Morons?
Spam Peterson erotic fiction?

>>9996141
This is true, and I consider myself part of the group that should've been weeded out.

>>9997333
>If your cheeseburger has ketchup and lettuce in it, and that makes you hate the cheeseburger when you taste it.
Do you actually think that this is a solid analogy? People criticise your views, because they despise the very essence of your childish video games, which, to expand on your analogy would be hating something that is in every cheeseburger, like buns, meat and cheese. And no matter how much stuff you put in it, in the end you are eating a cheeseburger. Adding vegetables? Why not eat a salad instead? Just like people often defend videogames, because of the cinema-like shit or
the soundtrack.

>>9997380

you can fuck off back to whatever neurotic shithole spawned you, that way you don't have to deal with real life at all

>>>/a/ I guess?

>>9997348
Not because it's bad but because faggots keep coming here to bitch about how bad their life is when all they do is jack off to anime and play video games.

>>9996129
Feminism, liberal arts programs, and support of Bernie Sanders will do that to you. Just hang out at your local craft brewery and all you'll see will be numales.

>>9997385

Because not being a pretentious fuckwit and enjoying fast food now and then is okay.

Looking down on people who aren't extremists is utterly pathetic to me.

>>9997387

>>9996981
>Bookend styled with classic lit propping up Warcraft books.
holy shit lmao.

entertainment addicts with no dopamine receptors left

>>9997333
>Being a manchild isn't based on your activities, it's based on your mindset

The mindset of a child is one of fascination, curiosity and will-to-life; for children fun and pleasure are ends in themselves and never a waste of time. When a kid plays a videogame or watches a cartoon, their aesthetic experience is both visceral and transcendent, and as deep as any grown man reading Homer or Shakespeare.
The mindset of an ''adult'' is cynical, self-conscious, moralizing and impotent.

I'd rather have the former than the latter.

>>9997321
How can you spend your time better if you are doing things you enjoy?

>>9997408
heroin tier logic desu

>>9997398
telling people that they are wasting their lives when they clearly are and hoping that they will change before its to late is a moral obligation though

>>9997408
>I'd rather have the former than the latter.

You can't though, because you aren't a child anymore. You're a man pretending to be a child.

>>9997415
You don't understand at all.

Some people work a meaningful career and play golf on the weekends. Some people work minimum wage and play Magic the Gathering and watch anime daily. Neither of these lifestyles are objectively right or wrong.

>>9997425
Oh and age makes no difference in the matter.

>>9997415

I'm the guy you replied to.

I don't disagree with you at all, but there's a stark difference between some dipshit who is avoiding adult responsibilities to play video games all day and a well-adjusted adult with a career, significant other who can find a bit of time in a given week to wind down and play something familiar to him, that isn't exhausting but is gratifying.

Not sure you're understanding me completely? Video games aren't some evil cancer. Don't be a faggot. People can play them at a responsible pace while maintaining a productive, healthy life as well. Thinking less of a person like this just feels pointless.

>>9997409
'Enjoy' is a big word. Your brain is stupid and will give you a shot of dopamine for a lot of fake stuff.
For example porn. It doesn't understand that this shit is fake and you will keep doing the same thing because your brain rewards you for that.
Now take this example and change the word porn with almost anything else, it will fit perfect.
'Enjoyment' is no longer valid in this fake world.

>>9997228
>grown people
Most people are not 'grown you child
>>9997241
>Anime is that kind of hobby that's just pathetic no matter what.
>becuz i sed so

>>9997299
>its animated so its le dumb
Said the one reading fr*Gshit

>>9997439
And why should one change their lifestyle to avoid this "fake" enjoyment?

>>9997321
>spend your time better
Stop telling people what to do, Slave.
>>9997439
Dopamine doesn't exist, stupid utilitarian.

>>9997449
Why not? You're wasting your time and gain nothing.
It really depends what's your goal in life. If you are all about pleasure, sure go ahead.

>>9997343
>improving
Meaningless statement

>>9997442
if you watch anime you haven't grown properly, that's for sure

>>9997241
>calling others pathetic while petersonposting
thanks for making me cringe

>>9997456
Again, how is it a waste of time? What is a better use of one's time?

>>9997449
Because if you jack off all day your dick gets numb and when you finally do have sex you either can't get it up or can't cum, and then you have to work to experience things that come naturally to others because you decided to live in a simulation.

>the redditors still can't explain why E7 is bad
Sad. You're all missing out on the most incredible and powerful example of ecological and theological drama to ever be created, all because you are so petty as to think that social image is something to be valued.

>>9997288
Late stage capitalists have figured out a formula on how to take ideology, art, and any abstract idea for that more, and package it into a commodity. Combine this with the fact people construct there identities on the commodities they buy along with whatever else they possess, you get a culture where art and ideas are worthless unless they can be commoditized and sold. Literature is no different, and it's why people like James Patterson and Stephen King keep shitting out novels every year.

>>9997458
>becuz i sed so

>>9997442

Video game are simplistic in nature, and have far wider appeal than anime. Video games are simply an interactive medium that is easy to pick up and instantly gratifying. That's all they are.

Anime is far more insidious in nature, propping up hedonistic tendencies and promoting a hyper-sexualized appeal to things. This literal masturbatory culture that's been cultivated by anime faggots is one of the most repugnant things I've seen. You are taught to see women are nothing but fuck holes rather than another human being, and the evidence is clear in so many far right shitsmears liking anime.

These people don't realize they're hedonists. It's just that instead of engaging in risky behavior, drinking, doing drugs and banging street hookers they watch VR porn and log 3000 hours on DotA 2

>>9997476
>t. /v/irgin that saw DBZ once
Back to /r/eddit

>>9997466
Who said anything about jacking off

>>9997436
Videogames aren't the only way to wind down though and every other activity has some form of quality.
Hypothetically, if two people were exactly the same in their work and life position but one used his free time to play chess and the other to play Counter Strike or whatever manchildren play, everyone would think the chess player is more adjusted.

>>9997462
If you are able to sleep peacefully at night after a day of nonstop playing and wasting your time, you ought to kill yourself.

>>9997425
>>9997436

playing golf and a "meaningful career" are a waste of time too imo.
playing magic the gathering is a little better than watching anime alone all day.
however both are still a waste of time from a literary or any point of view.
you are not learning anything, you are not building deep social bonds, you are not creating, you are not experiencing novelty, you are not making the world a better place, you are just spending your precious time for some limited and superficially fun experience, that leaves no meaningful memories except for a few bucks on a corporate bank account.
don't get me wrong. i also play a few hours of warcraft 3 when my brother comes home every few months, but it always is a waste of time and although it is fun for the moment i mostly do him a favor because he is a stoner and he easily gets upset when i talk about literature/politics/philosophy with him

>>9997476
I fundamentally agree (although there are some very good anime series) but you sound like a male Anita Sarkeesian.

>>9997486
>lowercase
Didn't even read.

>>9997486
Oh look, another nonargument.
Stop trying to look intelligent, you aren't.
>no meaningful memories
Redditors really don't understand E7, do they? Too sick with modernity.

>>9997485
>wasting your time

There you go again. What is a better use of my time and why?

>>9997482
p sure he's talking about otaku bait

>>9997485
>Videogames aren't the only way to wind down though and every other activity has some form of quality.

Christ if you want to be pedantic so badly, then I'll say that video games do have an objective, positive benefit in that doctors have prescribed some patients strategy games in order to deal with Alzheimer's Disease, for instance.

>>9997481
Reading is also hedonism, you twerp. But how am I a hedonist, as an active ecologist?
>>9997503
No, he's just a /r/edditor that needs to get the fuck off my website.

>>9997508

you sound like some brainlet /pol/fugee that's fresh off the boat and just discovered other boards

>>9997508
>Reading is also hedonism
It depends on what you're reading.
Self improvement is not hedonistic.

>>9997241
>There's value in going with something simplistic and base in that it helps you wind down after a tough day of consuming or creating.
...Like watching anime?

>>9997502
Pretty much anything else.
>sport
>lifting
>reading
>writing
>hanging out with friends
>playing music
>listening to music
>cooking
>playing card games
>cleaning up your house
>drawing
>going to a museum
There's tons more, c'mon, it's not that hard. Try looking up from your computer and get a hobby.

>>9997507
And there is surely nothing else that may prevent Alzheimer, right? We should force every granny to play Dota then.

>>9997500
never been to reddit however i would still like to know what E7 is about, just read wikipedia an it didn't seem very promising

>>9997493
okay

>>9997522
>...Like watching anime?
If you're 12, sure.

>>9997524

just proving that video games have an objective quality to them, other sources being superior for <X> is irrelevant to my point

>>9997522

There is no worth in watching anime. Anime is not mindless like video games are. It's insidiousness takes you over if you aren't careful.

wtf im a hedonistic sex-obsessed manchild now

To be honest I've had the vague feeling this was the case for a while now but seeing someone define it really puts it into perspective.

>>9997513
I've been here longer than anybody. Don't project now, /pol/tard.
>>9997515
Yes it is. Nothing you trash read is even 'self-improving', by the way. It's all existentialist garbage.

I do feel bad for those who cannot realize the sole purpose of human kind is to achieve an utopia in which everyone can fully enjoy themselves, with lives that are restrict to the feelings of joy, pleasure, ecstasy and peace, with none of the suffering, struggling and barbarism of the modern way of life.
You can call me a baby all you want, but at the end of the day, you're just slaves, cattle, sheep, whose sole purpose in life is to serve your superiors & breed. Me on the other hand? I can afford to live my life for myself and myself only.

>>9997529
Wikipedia can't explain anything complex. In fact, the only scholarship on the series is my own.
I can't even suggest that anybody watch it, because everybody is too far gone now, but it is something that must be watched to be understood.

>>9997536

You are welcome, anon.

The B stands for Based, for the way.

>>9997500
also i think it is funny how your post is performing self referentiality. i think i can do it to.
>oh look, another nonargument

i think i counted 6 arguments in my post. please feel free to chat me up to help you find them in my aforementioned post

capitalism

>>9997535
Said objective quality is the only thing going for it, however.
And even if not, you could only count 'Strategy Games' are worth playing. Any other games not fullfilling your quality immediately lose any worth.

>>9997540

>not realizing that human beings are wired to struggle
>not realizing the beauty of the struggle

absolutely irredeemable

>>9997540
>cartoon addict manchild
>calling others slaves, cattle, sheep
Wew lad.
How does it feel to have zero self awareness?

>>9997524
But there's no more value in any of those things than watching anime or playing video games.

>>9997546
Please just stop. It is making all of us uncomfortable to see this mentally deranged brainlet smiling.

>>9997553
>Said objective quality is the only thing going for it, however.

Disagree. The fact that it's mindless and instantly gratifying is its greatest trait.

It's far superior to many other options for winding down precisely because of these 2 qualities. Chess, as recommended earlier, is an inferior option because Chess is mentally stimulating, and that's the opposite of what you want when you need to wind down.

I simply provided that quality because anonymous wanted to be pedantic.

>>9997558
But that's wrong.

How can one be so delusional?
Pretty sad.

>>9997551
None of what you posted is argumentative. It's pathetic self-congratulation.
>>9997553
>they have no worth because i cant pretend im le smartie classy culture man to my peers

>>9997532
Good one. Anon BTFO

>>9996141

To an extent this. Medicine and security (in first world and near-first world nations) have enabled people to live full lives who would have died as infants, let alone those simply too weak and stupid to survive a dangerous or violent world. In essence they are babied and protected for their entire lives. Participation trophies and zero tolerance bullying bans are just the icing on the anti-darwinist cake

A better question is: how can it be fixed?

Bonus round: does it even need to be fixed?

>>9997204
What a pretentious faggot you must be, enjoying your literary make-believe but dismissing anime in its entirety

>>9997566
If I spend my time doing something I enjoy more than something else, then how is that wrong in any way? Wouldn't it be wrong to force yourself into a hobby that you don't like doing?

>>9997585
Anon, I really hope videogames aren't the only thing that brings you joy.

>>9997569
>anyone not playing videogames only wants to be cool to his fellow friends

>>9997581
Like any other bad habit can be fixed, replacing it with something better.

>>9997564
>The fact that it's mindless and instantly gratifying is its greatest trait.
>Chess is mentally stimulating, and that's the opposite of what you want when you need to wind down.

t.Lowbrow who loves his trash

>>9997569
thank you for the great conversation and your insightful posts though. I can really see the world from a new perspective now.
From now on, when someone tries to convince me of a contrarian position i will always reply that his reasoning is not "argumentative" with no further deliberations. When called out on this childlike behaviour, i will repeat step one.
I think by acting this way i will greatly improve the level of discourse on this board.
Thank you so much :)

>>9997585
There's more to life than muh enjoyment, retard.
How is an encyclopedic knowledge of anime going to help you in an emergency?

>>9997588
>t.Lowbrow who loves his trash

not an argument

there is not a single person alive who's lifestyle revolves around 100% productivity, you contradict yourself right at the start trying to argue against my point

fucking brainlets, stop trying so hard to go against the grain

>>9997594
I'll know a lot about anime when I die.

>>9997588
>>anyone not playing videogames only wants to be cool to his fellow friends
Anybody spiting a medium to different than 'muh literature' is merely concerned with social image, yes.
You are lowbrow. You love trash. You are trash.
>>9997590
>HURR DURR DOIN THIS THINKS MAEK U SMERT
>DOIN THIS DAT I NO LIEK MAEKS U DUM

>>9997594
How would reading, lifting, playing sports, or anything of the sort help you in an emergency?

>>9997594
>emergency
How is this relevant?

>>9997594
>There's more to life than muh enjoyment, retard.

Like what?

>>9997606
>lifting
>playing sports
yeah jeez how could being in decent physical shape help in an emergency really doesn't make sense desu....

>>9997594
>appeal to utility

>>9997606
>>9997607
Behold, the effects of too much anime and video games on the brain. Did you seriously just ask how would being physically in shape help you in an emergency holy fucking shit

>>9997606
>reading helps you see what you should do in an emergency
>lifting and sports allows you to be more active, like carry someone who is injured

Please start thinking.

>>9997613
being seen as le smart classy le renaissance man to my reddit buddies

>>9997606
>the absolute state of double digit iq weebs
Even if you're baiting, there are still people on this planet who could say this shit.
But then I feel good knowing they won't get to spread their genes.

90% of this board needs more Peterson in their life.

>>9997618
so this is the power of reddit arguments...
Yes I'm sure being 'physically in shape' will save you from a nuclear war or horrible ass cancer or from being kidnapped and beheaded
>>9997622
IQ is a nonmetric.
You're the incel here, while I have a child.
>genes
Don't exist
>>9997625
Back to /r/eddit

>>9997618
>>9997622
What kind of emergency are you numb skulls talking about? This is way off base.

>>9997554
>>9997555
Go back to manual labor, go back to breeding, go back to worshiping your gods, because logical reasoning with semi-conscious animals as yourselves is impossible. Dismissing the mere thought a life of comfort, joy and peace is something that can only be done by those who don't know what such life is in the first place. This is like explaining ice cream to someone who has only ever eaten shit and premium shit. "Nothing can be better than premium shit, I won't eat that ice cream thing!". "Beauty of the struggle?" Hahaha. All of your struggle - all your misery and suffering - is not beautiful. It's disgusting. It's repugnant. And most importantly, it's meaningless and pointless. Nobody will remember you when you die. I can only feel bad for the misery of what is most of human kind from the comfort of my place.

Again, at the end of the day, you can call me a baby all you want, but I'm the one to spend his whole life in laughter, comfort, pleasure, leisure, peace, happiness, joy and tranquility. Meanwhile, you, and other billions of other slaves indistinguishable from yourselves, have to go through hell everyday - stress, arguments, pain, traffic jam, public transportation, the daily commute, disease, divorce, and so on - and the only sense of accomplishment you have is "being a grown up". Pathetic.

Now you must excuse me. I have some VR sex to do.

>>9997627

You don't make any real arguments, in fact I'm not sure you understand how to. This alone proves anyone you're arguing with right.

You're a complete idiot. Anime has clearly addled your mind.

>>9997631

>>9996152
Retard.
>>9996161
Retard.
>>9996475
Somewhat right but still a retard.
>>9996550
Retard.
>>9996744
Correct.
>>9996766
Retard.
>>9997395
Retard.
>>9997468
E7 is shit.
>>9997524
Retard. You can do all those things and still be a manchild.

Also, I don't understand how any of you retards can characterize manchildren as being "hedonists", since they live a live of perpetual unsatisfaction. Do you even know what the word means? Or you like throwing it around because you feel very smart because you read Meditations once?

>>9997631

>baaah children are so inoccent and joyful i wish i was a child again
>baaah menchildren are terrible
Choose one moralfags.

>>9997633
>this is what reddit actually thinks
Arguments are for idiots. No child, you are the idiot.
>>9997639
Only because you haven't seen it or cannot comprehend it.

>>9997631
Here, for the effort.

>>9997631
t.

>>9996129

>read genre fiction
everyone here sucks Gene Wolfe's dick
>play video games
to waste time
>watch Star trek
Star Trek brought philosophical issues to American television in the 60s, which is a pretty huge fucking accomplishment even if it was only ever surface level stuff
>and anime
*insert smug Evangelion comment here*

>>9997540
There's no joy without sadness and no pleasure without pain and no peace without war. Of course, a mentally defective stay-at-home virgin wouldn't understand such a thing

Stupid thread. No one can prove it's bad or wrong to be a manchild. And if you are happily married with children, and still watch anime and play video games, is this wrong too? Are you a manchild? Waste of time to argue this.

>beauty of the struggle

Let's say you were given a deal. You will die and will be reborn. You can choose from the following list what you will be reborn as. Here are the options:

a) Chinese factory worker
b) African child soldier
c) Indian slum guy
d) Arab terrorist being kept in Guantanamo
e) Heir to a Russian billionaire's fortune

Nobody will know which one you choose and neither will have any impact on your afterlife as it has already been determined by your previous life.

>>9997672
No, don't, I like all the stupid drama ITT

>>9997672
Yes it is and having a family doesn't excuse it in the slightest.
You are still throwing your lif away and possibly having a bad influence on your kids.

>>9997673

obviously you pick e so that you can use your money to help a through d

>>9997673
He fully bought into the Marcus Aurelius meme. Thing is, these type of faggots don't want to go through DA STRUGGLE, not solo anyway. They want everyone to struggle. They just love misery.

>>9997682
Back to square one. How is that throwing your life away?

>>9997682
What else are you supposed to do with your life's spare time if not for enjoying myself

>>9997672
>Watching cartoons when you have a child and tons of responsibilities
Even more pathetic.
+ your child will turn out a fucking loser too.

>>9997682
Preach brother, I'm sure people will love it when you tell them enjoying X is wrong.

>>9997687
Throwing your life away would be to do something you don't enjoy.

>>9997685

What's there to want? Everyone already struggles. Life is a struggle. It's a conclusion to reality, not a philosophical stance you plebeian.

Realizing the beauty of the struggle is maximizing your own chances of succeeding in life. Anyone not working toward that is base scum.

>>9997698
ah i see now
thats why you put a lot of effort into stressing jobs and a family you hate
instead of doing things you'd like, such as playing videogames

>>9997692
I know you're lacking common sense, but it's ok buddy, you're not alone, the majority is just as dumb as you are.

>>9997631

>>9997663
Can you post Americans 1 2 and 3 too please

>>9997682
It's funny how you think this is maturity when it's the exact opposite. Being an adult means one thing: responsibility. An adult will watch GitS and read Milton and will not give a shit about your fedora opinions because an adult does not stand around shouting "ANIMU IS SHIT, READ TOLSTOI".

>>9997703

I'm laughing at how much of a retard you are.

Once your family is dead and you aren't able to be sheltered by them, life is going to hit you like a ton of bricks. Or maybe you'll end up killing yourself before that like the vast majority of people who live your lifestyle contemplate about.

Enjoying yourself... right.

>>9997704
>wanna come watch a movie with us anon?
>no, I'm struggling

>>9997639
Why should they be perpetually satisfied? What defines a hedonist is pleasure-seeking behavior, not his satisfaction

>>9997723
but when my parents die i will inherent enough money that i can live as a neet for the rest of my life?

Water fluoridation.

>>9997723
I don't think you realize it but most of the "manchildren" who prefer anime and videogames over women and friends actually live by themselves and have jobs as most of them are kicked out at an early age for "disappointing" their parents.

They're much more mature and responsible than you'll ever be.

>>9997700
Oh shut the fuck up you pretentious cunt.

idk I just dont like the art style of anime, and everything is way over dramatic that it becomes funny

>>9997750
>stating facts is now pretentious

>>9997757
Fuck off with your reasonable explanations. You should watch GitS tho.

>>9997757
japanese "people" lack empathy and a conception of the numinous, that's why their attempts at drama come turn out ridiculous

>>9997761
The funniest thing about you is how smart you must think you are.

>le let me tell you what things you are allowed to enjoy man

>>9997767
Dumbest post ITT. Quite impressive.

>>9997765
The only ones I like are the cliche trilogy, GitS, Akira and Cowboy Bebop

>>9997769

Yeah, you can dab back to whatever hedonistic, neurotic hole you crawled out of anytime, bud.

I'm sure /a/ will take care of your colossal insecurity and make you sleep peacefully tonight. But remember, the clock is ticking. You can't fight fate, kid.

>>9997673
Not him, but "struggle" doesn't necessarily mean "being miserable". For example: studying to pass school tests, working to improve yourself so you can impress your highschool crush ect.ect. are all examples of "struggle". He said "beauty of the struggle" because he's a raging faggot who wants to self-glorify but what he meant was "facing life". Playing video games and watching anime all day is wrong because you refuse to confront reality and pretend your problems don't exist. My dad is a psychiatrist and i've never (0 times) heard of someone who played videogames all day because he liked it and not because he was trying to escape from his problems.
>>9997726
Jesus christ you're bad at reading comprehension. I never said that a hedonist should be perpetually satisfied.
>What defines a hedonist is pleasure-seeking behavior
No, "Hedonist" is someone who sees pleasure and happiness as the ultimate goal of life. How is doing something that makes you feel miserable all day an example of this? Do you think hikikomoris are happy? Do you think what they experience is "pleasure"? Do you think an
alcoholic "enjoys" drinking booze?

>>9997673
I would unironically choose B. Ape shenanigans, AK's, and molesting aryan missionary women sounds like a heck of a time.

>>9997775
We /bait/ now?

>>9997779
but then the local warlord comes and rips your rib cage open to eat your heart as a sacrifice to the god Woloullundunagger and you fucking die.

>>9997775
You are not mature.
Mature people realize different things make different people happy. If anime makes someone happy, why would you tell that person they're not being "truly happy"? Mature people just mind their own business.

Do you know what you are? You are insecure.
Only insecure people tell strangers that for them to be happy they must live lives like their own, and if they don't, you make fun of them.

>>9997794
Insecure? On a Bolivian Animated Aymara Painting Hut? No fucking way

>>9997794
>If anime makes someone happy, why would you tell that person they're not being "truly happy"?

Because anime has clear, proven negative effects on a person.

You're a manchild through-and-through. There's no redeeming you.

>>9997800
Post three different links citing three different sources to support this statement.

>>9997772
t. filthy nip

>Because anime has clear, proven negative effects on a person.
So does overworking, drinking, smoking, stress and arguments with your family and friends etc.
In other words, everything can have "proven negative effects on a person".

>>9997804

>>>/a/
>>>/h/
>>>/jp/

>>9997800
Thanks for proving my point that you must tell others they're not being truly happy because they don't live like you do, thus making you immature and insecure.
I'm not having an internet argument with you, this is a wake up call from your life, friend.

>>9997794
>Do you know what you are? You are insecure
>Says the butthurt weeb
>S-stop laughing at me, i-it's not my fault I like cartoons
LMAOing@your pathetic life kid

>>9997811

I never told you to live like I do, in fact I never told you how I live. You're really desperate to reinforce to yourself that your lifestyle is okay.

>>9997811
Enjoyment!=Happiness

Fucking brainlets with zero self-awareness

>>9996981
>the power of habit
you're good anon

>>9997815
>>9997813
>>9997821
Whatever you say. I don't even watch anime or read manga, my main boards are /g/ and /sci/. I'm just telling you being stubborn, meddling into other people's lives, pointing a finger on their faces and telling them how to be happy is something that comes from people who are immature and insecure. I have made my point but you won't listen so this has become a waste of time, so bye bye. On the bright side, at least you'll get the last word in this "internet argument" , because I'm leaving, so go ahead and call me a weeb again if that helps you feel better about yourselves.

>>9997833

I've never seen so much insecurity before in a single post

this was painful to read

>>9997833
>people who are immature and insecure
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Don't you have a bit of self-awareness?? Fucking neck yourself nigger

>>9997833
People like you are the reason anime should be banned.

>tfw you started arguing simply because E7 is plebshit

Honestly if you regularly post here you should know, this is a den of it. Ultimately I can really only speak for myself but really it's the same as anyone who intensely forms their identity around a specific merchandise wether it be anime, books, sports, etc, manchildness takes many forms. In addition you probably see the worst examples of these fans because they're the most obvious and up-front with their obsessions, as opposed to someone who'd keep their power level hidden normally.

>>9996129
Better than posting on 4chan 14 hours a day like yours truly.

I remember this same exact thread being posted on /his/ verbatim and they were generally more sympathetic towards these people than /lit/ is.

This really is the most insecure board on 4chan.

>>9997933

>everyone who rightfully looks down on me is insecure!

what a weeb

>>9996562
>>9996680
hello jared

>>9997949
>thinking this is the only thread where /lit/'s insecurity becomes evident
I haven't watched a single anime in my life.

>>9997842
>I know you are but what am I

Africanus...

Everyone should read Icycalm in this thread

>>9996566
Alcohol drinker here

>>9997673
I knew Guantanamo was bad but I didn't think Arab terrorists were literally being birthed there

That's just pop culture. Is it any surprise that people grow to like it when it's around you all the time? The fact is people just don't get introduced to 'high brow' stuff growing up. How are you meant to develop taste that way, when all your peers only like and talk about garbage ect

>>9997731
You are so fucked.

>>9996129
Socioeconomic relations

>>9997663
Never considered nofap until I saw this.

>>9998153
Is this the current hot meme right now?

>>9996129
easy on the carrots, bugs ;)

Because it's F-U-N escapism from the tediousness of everyday life and it creates meaningful social bonds between like-minded people. So basically the same reasons anyone doe anything only their interest is funny to pick on and they all happen to be ugly awkward and of questionable hygiene.

>>9996803
No, the greatest achievement in art is The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim Special Edition.

>>9997144
This anon is on fire

>>9996129
B-but I like all those things!

Am "I" a manchild!? Have I been one all along??

SOMEBODY SAVE ME FROM THIS HELL

>>9997757
>>9997767
t. children
>>9997774
So, you like westaboo garbage?

>>9997800
>negative affects
Wrong
>proven
STEMsperg

Doubtless, the most important decision I have ever made was choosing to watch E7 as it was airing.

>>9997876
>its bad becuz im a redditor and dont understand anything that isn't incredibly le edgy and le nihilistic and le SUEPR SRS
>>>/v/

>>9996803
What series

>>9998598
see:>>9997876

Literally so divisive that most cannot even begin to understand it. That would mean dropping the le edgy nihilist act, after all.

>>9997949
>rightfully
spook'd

>>9996973
>>9996963
>>9996954

You cant really be so deluded as to utterly discount the idea that challenging art has a more profound and complex and worthwhile effect on the individual than easy or commercial art designed to distract and entertain

Art is a form of communication, and communicating with liars, manipulators, and fools isn't as valuable or meaningful as communicating with impassioned honest people with complex or nuanced things to tell you

>>9998629
>'anime' can't be 'complex art'
>'commercial art'
Back to r*ddit
>entertainment is bad
>joy is bad
>life is bad
Nihilist

>>9998649
anime can barely be art, period.
and yeah, there's such a thing as commercial art, redditurd

>>9997778
Not the guy who you are replying to but thank you for your post anon. It's made e realize why I dislike most people because they are all (in that large subset) hedonistic. That is, they are all seeking pleasure as the ultimate fulfillment in life. Even someone who is temporarily suffering. They are going through this suffering to obtain something; money to buy a house or a car, a /fit/ body to attract a hot girl or to feel pleasure at having said /fit/ body. We all know why so many people think this. How many people in life have you met whose ultimate life goal isn't pleasure. Please don't make the mistake of thinking parents while many have undoubtedly changed their mindset somewhat they generally still see pleasure as the ultimate goal and just extend it to include people in their family.
I am asking everyone ITT to think about people in their lives. Do you know anyone whose ultimate goal isn't pleasure. You will find they are the most interesting. Even someone whose ultimate goal is to end their suffering by killing themselves is someone who has more value than the hedonists of the world.

>>9998649
I never said anime can't be complex art
There is some anime that is complex art but the medium does not lend itself to genuine artistic merit.

And yeah there's fuckin commercial art, its art made to be sold to a mass market.

Entertainment and Joy are good. I'm not advocating against enjoyment, I'm advocating against easy entertainment in too large doses - as in, I'm arguing for some degree of discipline and deferred gratification and patience and willingness to not understand in order to learn as opposed to too easy answers and immediate emotional gratification.

>>9997794
The ultimate goal in life isn't to be happy. The fact that you still think this shows you are less mature than the person you called immature.

>>9998678
There is no ultimate goal in life amigo

>>9998665
I hate this otherworldly life hating bullshit
Why are you arrogantly and steadfastly rejecting you're animalian nature
If we all were so fixed on pleasurevas you say we'd all just submit to opiate usage.

So then tell me buddo what is your be all end all goal
And why is it your goal

ps most suicidal people are suicidal because they've found their search for pleasure unbearably futile.

>>9996981
Warcraft books were terrible, didnt even matter what author. Literally written for morons. Black library stuff can be pretty shit but Warhammer is a much better high fantasy, also being the source material for the rip off that is Warcraft. Stay away from end times.

>>9998678

Agreed. The ultimate goal in life is to struggle.

Through struggle, our personal meaning is defined to us.

people in op image have life more figured out than the philosophers of /lit/

>>9996146
based.

>>9998680
I'm talking about the reason why you get out of bed. You should have a clear idea of what you are living your life for. If its ultimately for pleasure you are a hedonist.

>>9998692

Don't delude yourself. Warhammer is the same tier of sit, just branded differently. I read Dark Imperium and a number of other books recently, and they are awful to an absurd degree.

These books are more about "What did my favorite character(s)do THIS time?!" rather than any intention to write a compelling narrative.

>>9998693
>>9998678
I am very ill and endure suffering everyday to the point where reading is a struggle and requires every ounce of focus and concentration possible. It is enormously difficult to think and my life is worse off for it. There is nothing worse than being told that suffering brings meaning in life when the person telling you that has no clue what it means to have a shitty day, let alone shitty days for years on end. The meaning of life amounts to a luxury for those of you 'sufferers'

>>9998701
Every other option is either self-delusion or simply pleasure with more steps

To live for art is to do so in hopes of art bringing pleasure
To live for god is to deprive pleasure now in hopes of eternal pleasure later

Etc., there are no examples this doesn't work for

>>9998713

The only thing you suffer from is a severe case of stupidity, because your reading comprehension is abysmal.

>>9998705
Not 40k. 40k is garbage wank material and along the lines of video game novels where plot armor is thicker then the books about them. Warhammer fantasy is where its at. They really pick some decent authors that can nail the futile fight for life, where 40k is just G.I Joe with lazers turned to 11.

>>9998720
You probably go through life thinking that everybody is missing the point

>>9998689
One of my goals in life is to fully understand myself. It involves a lifetime of suffering. I seek knowledge, not because it brings me pleasure. I don't hate life; I dislike that people live life for selfish hedonistic reasons. Animalian nature isn't about pleasure like you wrongly think. It will only the mammals who are closest in nature to humans, eg chimpanzees that when taught about the pleasures of fapping, kept pushing that button.

>>9998721

stop pretending fantasy is anything more than derivative trash for retards

I play Total War as well but at least I recognize it's nothing but a mindless experience suited for letting you wind down after a hard day of productivity

>>9998734
you probably acquired that goal through a quote by Freud about Nietzsche.

>>9998715
>t. weeb that can't think outside of his narrow way of thinking and is desperately asking for someone else's wisdom gained through years of suffering.

>>9998742
I have not read either of those. I'm wondering why you posted that though.

I don't quite get the comments about Hedonism in this thread. The entire reason you're here is because you happen to enjoy reading, and in particular enjoy "higher-brow" lit more than the generic stuff. You may be rejecting a quick sense of gratification by ignoring mainstream trash, but do so to get even more pleasure in the long run by satisfying an instinct to find something meaningful. If someone can't see the same aesthetic values in a work as you do, there's no point in them reading it.

Ultimately, the discussion resorts to judging books on a practical level: "How can it improve your life?", or "How can it make you a better person?". By this criteria, the vast majority of literature is near useless, and literary merit is negligible so long as it improves the reader in some way. A book like "Ender's Game" would thus be more valuable to people than "Paradise Lost" because of its ability to illustrate the importance of hardships, discipline, and leadership skills. Considering the average reader can't find aesthetic value in Paradise Lost anyway, it's pointless to act elitist about it.

>>9998665
There is no life outside of pleasure. Whether you realize it or not, every one of your actions is guided towards it.
>>9998734
It feels good, though. That's why you do it; that's what pleasure is.

You seem to be alluding to the fact that anyone who browses /lit/ for brief bursts of pleasures means their entire lives are lived for pleasure, and furthermore that only people seeking to endlessly suffer are not hedonistic. If you really can't think of examples of what to live for other than pleasure or suffering, then you need to read more.

>>9998734
Yeah man, you only want to do any of that because it feels good.

Like, really, If you were so genuinely concerned with suffering, then go thrust yourself into the midst of a chaotic wartorn region or something, and see how long you embrace the suffering.

Or better yet, and much easier, start spending all of your time with very neurotic people you find to be incredibly, immensely unpleasant, doing boring things with them that don't engage you. Let them become emotionally dependent on you, and let them put pressure on you to sustain any progress they make

this is absolute suffering and will drain you every day, why aren't you doing it??

because it doesn't fuckin feel good.

>>9998783
All of which are done for the end goal of feeling good. Even if it's one type of feeling good sacrificed for another, that's how it goes. There is absolutely nothing outside the realm of pleasure appealing to humans in any way.

>>9998790
But I am doing this. I chose the line of work I am in despite having the qualifications for something comfortable. I quit a much higher salary job for low paying manual labor. I get endless questions about why I did it.

>>9998796
This is only because of your limited way of thinking.

>>9998657
>it cant be art becuz reddit sed it
'commercial art' is a meme made up by middlebrow turdmonglers.
Your favorite poetry is probably a commission.

>>9998804

no one is going to understand themselves by going against the grain of their desires

you explore yourself by struggling to fulfill your goals as laid out to you by your interests and fascinations

>>9998675
>it doesnt lend itself becuz it actually forces me to pay attention to my body and senses rather than my braincock

>>9998810
That is what most people do. The hedonists of this world. Think about how much more you would understand about yourself if every time you had an urge you did the opposite as a very crude example.
>I want to play a videogame
Don't play a videogame
Again a crude example but people could choose a life of actively not following their interests and passions.

>>9998836
>That is what most people do. The hedonists of this world

jesus fucking christ how do you misinterpret hedonism this badly

>>9998629
there is no difference between a neet that reads books and a neet that watches anime

>>9998805
I'd say it's because of your limited definition of pleasure. Be honest with yourself: Is there anything you don't do for the express purpose of feeling good in some abstract way? As in, do you like how it makes you feel in any way? If so, you're still fully within the realm of pleasure. I write to you as someone who has lost virtually every source of pleasure a living person can lose. Those lofty ideals about struggle and suffering? They vanish too. With no motivation and no reward of any kind, a person simply won't do that thing. That's how biology works. It's a feedback mechanism - you adhere to this construct your mind has created, and it rewards you by feeling good. When it stops feeling good, you stop doing it.

Can you honestly affirm to me that what you're doing doesn't feel good in any way at all? Honestly?

>>9998838
What is there to misunderstand. A hedonist seeks pleasure above all else. As many people ITT are saying (wrongly) everything in life is for pleasure. By their own definition they are themselves hedonists.

>>9998844
You are grossly misunderstanding me. Of course there are many things I do for pleasure. But I am seeking to ultimately not live for pleasure. You are alluding that a person's mind is only biology and cannot escape this feedback mechanism.

>>9998861
>But I am seeking to ultimately not live for pleasure
Explain
>You are alluding that a person's mind is only biology and cannot escape this feedback mechanism
This is correct, that's how the mind functions.

>>9998866
You are asking me to lay out for the world to see what I ultimately live. A blueprint for the rest of my miserable life. I don't think I will do that but part of it will involve me escaping the narrow confines of living with pleasure as the end goal. There are still many mysteries of how the mind functions and what you have read are only theories. If we really knew how the mind functions (which no one does) we would have AI. This is still a very immature science.

>>9998852

struggling and trying as hard as possible to achieve your goals rooted in your own interests is not hedonism

hedonism seeks to avoid the struggle, not burden itself with it

>>9998904
That would require some fundamental changes to your brain's reward system. As humans currently are, it is impossible to act without pleasure being the focus - even if your motivation is some obscure, artistic trait like a propensity to suffer. Even if you're a Buddhist and you renounce all sense pleasures to go live in the forests of Thailand, it's still because you find inner peace to feel better in the long run. Such things are the basis of every action under the sun.
>>9998911
If struggling is what one has to do to maximize their net happiness, how is it not Hedonism?

>>9998911
The goals at the end are wholly about pleasure. They are doing it to feel pleasure at the end of the struggle. They are hedonists. Unless you meant they are doing it for the journey of suffering along the way.

>>9998927
But is it about biology or something that can be changed with psychology. Anyway it what my life is dedicated to,, and not because it will make me feel good or fulfilled.

>>9998939
Well, look at it like this: You can punch yourself in the stomach right now. Assuming you're not a masochist, did that feel good in any way? No? Then logically, you'd never do it again. Same thing with staring at a blank wall for hours on end. You could do it, but there's absolutely no reason to. If you're striving not to feel good or fulfilled, I suspect it's because you've never known what it's like. Those sensations are what make life worth living in the first place. Maybe you can override your basic instincts and spend your life staring blankly at walls, but I wouldn't advise it.

>>9996129

Imagine if you weren't like any of these people, not in appearance or demeanor, but you had to live with a curse: everyone can see anything you're doing at any given time. Yep, that's phone calls, texts, where you are, what you've said, your own mind is your only refuge. I think that would make a person turn to trash genre fiction, time-sink video games, and watching media entertainment to escape the notion that you subconsciously hate literally everyone because they are all spying on you. I'm a modern philosopher and this is my only explanation for the situation, besides autism.

>>9999150
>I'm a modern philosopher
Stopped reading right there

Lol at the pseuds in this thread. They must be really insecure and the only way for them to feel like adults is to criticise those who they consider manchildren while they read some deep philosophy.

>>9998751
B/c Freud said that Nietzsche probably understood himself better than any other human who has ever lived. That quote gave me the same goal as you have, but I arrived at it through reading Freud

>>9998697
This.

>>9999150
Jej. Take your pills schizo.

>>9999180

t. manchild who enjoys anime

>>9999201
Those people don't have life figured out though. They are not even living their own, rather they are living through other people's idea of what they want. A videogame (not all but the types people in this thread love to hate) is created by a team of people sitting down and thinking what you (the person who will play it) would want. So they (from OPs picture are living a life people have imagined for them. They are the analogy of drinking sweet sugary drinks every day, in order to maximize their pleasures. Any mature person knows this leads to a life of more, more, more! Mature people drink water daily and then from time to time drink a cool Coca Cola.

>>9999222
>they are living through other people's idea of what they want
They can't possibly be enjoying it for what it is? Really now?

>>9999174

You really missed the best part.

>>9996459
>Because they (finally) can.
This. The sheer volume of options these days is staggering, whether you're talking fiction, games, or any other use of your free time.

>>9999220
I watch anime but I don't enjoy it because that's too hedonistic. Instead I watch some very deep anime to understand my place in this world. That's far from being a manchild.

>>9999225
Of course they do since they are simpletons. So we treat them as we do actual retards. Either with scorn and ridicule, or as pitiful creatures whom we try to help as they can't help themselves.

>>9999332
This has got to be b8... Please tell me what anime has provided this to you.
>Inb4 evangelion
No it didn't.

>>9999289
>so many types of food nowadays
>eats only fast food/junk food

>>9999346
How baitful of you.

>>9999346
That's pathetic, man. People have little say in the matter of what they enjoy, so looking down on them for that is silly. Playing video games or watching TV is "useless", but reading is too for the most part. For example, Shakespeare's writing is gorgeous, but it doesn't have much value on its own outside aesthetics.

>>9999380
So how you describe a room filled with adults wearing pikachu pajamas, discussing their favourite episode of Sailor Moon?
>>9999395
Its about self control, which these manchildren lack.

>>9999400
There's nothing morally wrong with that.

>>9999400
So you resent them because they don't force themselves to do things they don't enjoy, like you do?

>>9999367
Yes, of course it was sarcasm. But there's some good anime out there who deals with philosophical stuff and isn't entirely a waste of time. Eg. Berserk, Psycho Pass, Monster, League of the Galactic Heroes, etc. Yet those criticizing anime here are probably thinking of shit like moe or shonen anime and think every anime is like that which is pretty ignorant.

>>9999451
It's the world I resent, these creatures are just a visual reminder of that resentment. They can enjoy the hedonism of modern western civilization. Others are not as fortunate. I don't think they would enjoy their Japanese cartoons and videogames as much if they saw the true horrors of the world. I don't think anyone should live such a sheltered life past the age of childhood. Its about awareness. Let's imagine those people ARE aware of horrors of the world and choose a life of simple pleasures. This I would have no issue with since we can clearly define it as escapism and a coping mechanism.

>>9999452
But most anime IS shit. No one has a problem with watching anime that is thought provoking. Its when it is taken to extremes like cosplay. Do you ever see people dressing as characters from LotGH and acting out scenes? No they dress up as Naruto or whatever those pleb anime are. It's the equivalent of dressing up as Harry Potter or GoT characters. If people dress as characters from Shakespeare it's theatre.

>>9999508
So you are fine with people being aware of the horrors and escaping with hedonism, but you resent people being ignorant of the horrors and engaging in hedonism?

If I spend my day helping families cope with drug problems and mental illness for example, then come home and play Skyrim for 2 hours to unwind, how do you see that? What if I do it in pikachu pyjamas?

>>9999541
Easy anon. I'm not one of the people here who resent all video games and anime. I resent that there are ignorant people who do nothing but play videogames. Those types of obsessed fans. They will spend all their money on these frivolous activities. As I said if they do it as a coping mechanism it makes the pill easier to swallow. If someone works a back breaking job or any job actually and comes home and spends all their free time playing games I also don't have an issue although it means they have resigned to never change their life which is in itself pathetic. Manchildren who live off their parents or the government and waste this free time are the scum of the earth. Adults wearing costumes to play videoges, its good you do it where no one can see you since you should be shamed and ridiculed. I've seen videos of these livestream game events where grown men dress up in Legend of Zelda pajamas and I felt disgust with the force of a thousand exploding suns.

All these people bashing video games do not see the potential. Stop calling it a "game", throw out that limiting requirement and imagine what could be done with it. I'm already working on my magnum opus that'll be the first universally recognized masterpiece of the medium.

>>9999574
Thanks for responding, anon. All fair points.

>>9999604
Does it feature scantily clad women with bouncing tits?