/lit/ - Literature

Badiou?

>>9926907
>what is the bible
(only western civilization though)

>>9926907
Believing in objective morality may be a big task... for you.

>>9927038
Shame it is in crisis mode right now though.

Who are you quoting?

>>9928654
is the invasion of the east a symptom or a cause?

>>9927038
That's not morality, morality is humanist.

All this talk about the "objectivity" and "subjectivity" of morality is so abstract. What would really change if we discovered that some ethical system was "objective"?

>>9928723
Everything.

>>9926907
>believing in pure subjectivity

What, then, is the subjectivity interpreting? Another subjectivity? But what is that subjectivity interpreting? Another subjectivity, and so on and so on ... But you can't have an infinite regress, and here we find God, the uninterpretted interpreter.

>>9928723
That's an invalid question, because no such thing can happen. Objectivity doesn't exist. An object does not live.

>>9928723
You'd still need to bridge the is/ought gap

REEEE

WE NEED TO PRETEND OBJECTIGE MORALITY EXISTS! HOW ELSE COULD WE JUSTIFY THE ACADEMIA CITATION CIRCLE JERK AND BOOK SALES IF WE ACKNOWLEDGED THAT THERE ARE INFINITELY MANY POSSIBLE OPINIONS!

SHUT UP! REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEREREE

>>9926907
Morality is either objective* or it's... useless.

*in the sense that it's [perceived to be] shared by others

>>9926907
>>9928859
>pseudo-emotivist brainlets are THIS mad

>>9926907
>*categoricalimperatives behind you*
eh..... kid..

>>9928732

>>9928732
>if morality is not objective it must be subjective
wew

>>9926907
We can but likely aren't

>>9926907
Morality is universal AND subjective.

>>9930798
Recommend me some books on it then thread

>>9926907
Of course morality isn't objective. In our natural state, there IS no morality. We've constructed it - it's a social contract that allows us to leave peacefully together. We agree to certain rules because they're in our mutual interest.

>>9931128
Eat a dick, Hobbes. Rousseau was right about everything. Except maybe when he abandoned his children.

>>9931163
I've not read Rousseau. He wrote about the social contract too, right?

Anyway you haven't given me any reasons why Hobbes is wrong. Because you can't. Because he's right about everything.

>>9929379
Wait what?

>>9930798
this.

when will edgy teenagers understand that we (humanity) cannot escape the subjectivity of our own experience, thus it constitutes an effective objectivity. It is irrelevant to experience whether what it experiences can be validated "objectively"

sometimes when I'm bored or banned from all the fun boards I come to /lit/ and post a picture of a smug frog with
>objective morality
next to a meme arrow just like that. It never fails to reach bump limit. you could also just post a picture of marx, you probably dont need any text the spergs on this board do the work for you

>>9928732
>But you can't have an infinite regress
says who?
also, said regress isn't necessarily vicious

i don't know if morality is objective but it sure is pointless.

>>9931182
have you read any other social contract theorists besides Hobbes?

please don't tell me you've only read Hobbes.

>>9928732

What kind of hard drives do you think this god server is packing ?

>>9926907
Morality can't ever be objective or subjective in the same way Law can't you dumbass.

>>9932838
>morality can't be objective
>morality can't be subjective either
then what the heck is it?

>>9931128
Those rules are devised from the way our society operates. They exists because they are supported by logic. We follow morality not because of fells, but because being moral is the most logical course of action in our society, thus making morality objective.

>>9933020
It doesn't try to describe reality so it's neither objective nor subjective.

There is no morality without a subjective goal, but the way to most effectively achieve that goal can probably be objectively determined.

>>9928706
Morality is no -ism, though.

I said this in the last thread

The major assumption here is "objective" means unchanging and absolute.
An objective morality is context sensitive, on a case by case basis.
Becuase things change.
When morality gets too generalized and sweeping its easy for false postives and for people to fall between the cracks.

>>9929379
wut? explain

Can some people here please post some actual books on the matter at hand?

>>9933061
>Logic
>Objective
Its just patterns we perceive, nothing more.