/lit/ - Literature

Any communist or syndicalist recs?

>>9904029
Getting out of the helicopter.

>>9904052
no

If you could use the old magic of stormlight, would you?

Geographically huge fantasy settings?
Something like ringworld without sci fi. Claymore would be a non-lit example

>>9904029
Hard to be a God is enjoyable.

>>9904029
There's a pretty big anarcho-communist sect in Red Mars.

>>9904029
The Dispossessed
The Culture

>A man came to my door one afternoon, back when I lived on a rambling farm in Eastern Washington. He was sniffing around, poking into things best left . . . unpoked.

Laird Barron, ladies and gentlemen.

>>9904391
Is this erotica?

>>9904395
Speaking of erotica, is there any good books out there kind of like Corruption of Champions?

>>9904401
Are there'

Hugo or Nebula?

>>9904401
Samuel R. Delany's Hogg.

>>9904538
Is it a fantasy setting though?

I am Ubik. Before the universe was, I am. I made the suns. I made the worlds. I created the lives and the places they inhabit; I move them here, I put them there. They go as I say, then do as I tell them. I am the word and my name is never spoken, the name which no one knows. I am called Ubik, but that is not my name. I am. I shall always be.

>>9904620
Godtier PKD passage.

Also:
>not spelling "UBIK" will all caps
>not pronouncing "UBIK" as "you-bick" rather than the prole "oo-bick"
Do the book right, my dudes.

Can some peoples recommend me some good alien stuff.
Perhaps stories that start with the Earth already being under alien control and humans are fighting back and shiz. Like Falling Skies

>dude a ten year old girl gets pregnant with twins lmao
>dude they blow up in her stomach killing her hahahaa

is colombia really like this?

>>9904703
Did they talk about the mind control powder? if not, then no, it's much worse.

Which is the most autistic military scifi novel?

>>9904733
Honor Harrington series is a good candidate for this title.

>>9903477
>Consider trying a home castration instead of reading LitRPG, it'll be more fun.

Why? I'm having fun with the book

Is this book any good?

>>9904008
>what sff book are you waiting for?
the winds of fucking winter
>longest ive waited
6 years now
>what potential series did you drop?
ive dropped series but not because of release issues.

>>9904536
hugo i guess

>>9904800
It's decent story collection, if you have a Dying Earth withdrawal syndrome.
Gurm's story is one of the more mediocre of the bunch actually. Too grimdark and out of place with the setting.

>>9904134
Hunter X Hunter
sorry, afaik Western fantasy just doesn't do that, even though it should. I'm working on one though. I won't let you know because I don't want to associate my name with shilling on /lit/ but maybe you'll find it.

>>9904134
Reading warlock of the magus world at the moment, it has this in spades.

>>9904134
Malazan takes place in multiple continents

>>9904536
Hugoes.

>>9904029
Helium method

>>9904029
>>9902690
I finished three books of the revelations cycle, the first one needed some good editing and tone down the autism of the MC, tough it was flowing and had interesting characters (minus the MC love interest), the other two were way better, specially the last one (tough best MC was Nigel).

>>9904179
And it's literally about communists being WRONG.

So The Silmarillion, Beren and Luthien, Hurin and Unfinished Tales right? Then I can play third age medieval 2 and maybe lotro

>>9904536
Neither, their both a terrible indicator of quality.

>>9904620
So UBIK is just God/everything/reality?

>>9904852
You're too good for lit? Better than tao lin and pynch?

>>9904008
I'm currently waiting for the Unholy Consult audiobook dropping this december. Releasing it months after the book is pretty atrocious.

>>9905083
Would you care to elaborate on that?

>>9904695
'Childhood's End' if you haven't already read it for some reason.

>>9904802
>the winds of winter
I like ASoIaF but not enough for GRRM's procrastination/writer's block/whatever to really hurt me. When it's all finished everyone's going to look back on it as an overlong and edgy Solar Cycle. If it came out in a timely fashion it could potentially have cult value but the show's ruined that.

What are you fags reading atm?

>>9905361
Reading that Sanderson.
10/10 anime.

>>9905361
On Blue's Waters. It's very interesting.

I have a question which isn't really spoilery but may be so I'll spoiler tag it anyway. Is the name 'Ushas' a reference to Pajeet mythology? And if so how the hell does it make any sense?

>>9905361
Urth of le NewSunn

>>9905361
Book of the New Sun, really good desu.

>>9905280
>but the show's ruined that.
How so?

>>9905266
This is, of course, open to interpretation since you could not really write a book criticizing communism in the Soviet Union 1964.

But the way I read it, there's two kinds of criticism. The first one is a more general attack on totalitarian societies and how they damage science and culture and it's quite straight forward, Don Reba simply turn Arkanar into a shithole. The more subtle criticism is that the Earthen political theory does not hold, Anton notice the horrible things about to happen but when he ask his colleagues for advice they tell him to have faith in the theory and not intervene (there's also a unspoken threat of being sent away to not-Siberia) but in the end Anton is proven right. Earth in the book is a communist utopia, a proxy for the soviet leaders, and Earths failure to predict and correctly act on what's happening is an analogy to how the Soviet Union ignored their problems and prosecuted those who pointed them out. So to clarify/correct myself, it's a book about how Soviet Communists were WRONG.

Also, the fore- and afterwords in the SF Masterworks edition really highlight this by talking about the political and cultural climate the book was written in. It apparently started out as a happy swashbuckling adventure but turned into a darker story during writing. For those of us not familiar with Soviet politicians of the 50s it also inform us that Don Reba is a stand-in for our guy Lavrentiy Beria.

>>9905361
Just about to start on A Handmaids Tale since it's the latest meme show among normies and I am going to pretend to have read it 15 years ago.

>>9904703
>dude they blow up in her stomach
what? how?

>>9905361
Hyperion 2 after reading the first one two years ago.

Anyone have an ebook of The Rivers Ran East: Travelers' Tales Classics?

So we've all but confirmed that she is /sffg/'s patron goddess.

The real question is: what is her best work?

>>9905461
>salon.com endorsement
A can buy that a womeme could potentially write good science-fiction or fantasy in 2017, but not one endorsed by salon on her covers.

>>9904800
It is good, and interesting to see different authors' takes on the setting.

>>9905192
Imagine having to read the most GRI of fantasy series in a recording studio

>>9904008
>What sff book are you currently awaiting to be released?

Count to Infinity
The Stone Sky

>>9905361
The Green Knight's Squire by John C. Wright, almost done and will write about it. Better than expected so far though.

>>9905461
http://deadline.com/2017/08/nk-jemisin-the-fifth-season-book-developed-tv-series-tnt-1202150542/
>NK Jemisin: Urgh. I don’t like live-action renderings of books, in general. If there’s a choice I’d prefer animation; I would so rock the Inheritance Trilogy as an anime series by Studio BONES, frex.
>no The Broken Earth anime by BONES
>no cute Nassun and Schaffa shenanigans
FUCKING SHITBAGS

Arcane Ascension
It's like I'm playing an RPG

>>9905361
The Emperor's Soul
And it's boring.

I'm re-reading red mars.

I've never read green or blue, is it worth buying those two?

Also, who's your favourite character in Red?

>>9905461
>only written around 10 books
And into the garbage she goes

>>9905361
The Human Division (from the Old Man's War series)

It's not particularly engaging. I think I will drop the series.

>>9905547
>rereading books

Literally why?

>>9905584
>to be true /lit/erati you must write more books than Sanderson
Ok

>>9905612
>not rereading books
do you not watch movies more than once?

>>9905440
Not on bibliotik or MAM

>>9905622
Why would I?
I already know what will happen

>>9905618
Exactly. They're both young upstarts. Far too early to be proclaimed god/dess.

>>9905427
I won't argue against it being a criticism against Soviet communism, as I agree with your interpretation.
The book being an argument against any communist thought is a huge stretch from that though. It already critiqued totalitarianism and nobody will say the Soviet Union wasn't totalitarian.
Sure communist ideology was dominated by the comintern for so long, but that dismisses all trotskyist, anarchist, or other non-USSR approved thought.
It has been a while since I read the book
I'm pretty goddamned drunk as well

>>9905646
Quality > quantity

>>9905461
t. Half-savage womanmeme

>>9905461
>womameme author
>goddess of /sffg/

don't make me laugh

>>9905657
>>9905665
Nice samefag.

>>9905635
that's weird.
not everything's about being surprised. Enjoying something again you know you enjoyed once is pretty basic- shit, it's something just about anything sentient does. People listen to songs more than once, they eat their favorite food over and over again, they go to places they've seen before.

>>9905650
And? I was referring to it as a rough measure of the author's maturity as a writer.

>>9905632
Not B-ok or libgen, either.

>>9905665
Traps can't be goddesses anon.

>>9905668
>two different people can't hold the same opinion

>>9905676
you're on 4chan champ

>>9905677
>that time interval
Incredibly gay

>>9905669
How boring. I always do things differently. I already finished listening to a lot of good music so now I'm getting into tribal Swahili chanting because I can't listen to mainstream and hipster music anymore (because I already listened to most of it). I've tried almost all dishes of food before so I'Il probably try different types of dirt by the time I get really old.

>>9905691
You're paranoid

>>9905649
>The book being an argument against any communist thought is a huge stretch from that though
>huge
Eh, we can agree that it's a stretch.

>drunk
>noice

>>9904134
I think most of the big fantasy epics out there are globe-trotting adventures. A Song of Ice and Fire spans two massive continents, Wheel of Time eventually treks all over its one giant continent, Malazan Book of the Fallen features action on 3 different continents and several subcontinents and islands.

>>9905635
It's not like you know every word by heart. There's always new things to discover, just like there is in good music, movies and food.

>>9905632
>>9905674
It's on archive.org but it's "on loan".

>>9905635
>tfw I used to go through my collection over the course of a year and then start over
Up until recently I read everything I owned at least 5 times. Do the same with library books.

>>9905718
99% of books on the internet come from overdrive. If it's not on overdrive you are basically fucked.

Did I mention the world's going to end?

>>9905730
Oh shit. Well, it's not there, but thanks for the site.

>>9905100
Children of Hurin and Beren and Luthien are not essential.

By the way, can Beren and Luthien even be considered papa Tolkien's work? As far as I remember he never wrote a long narrative of the story, unlike the tale of Children of Hurin that was included in Unfinished Tales.

>>9905361
Claudius the God, I'm taking a short break from sci-fi and fantasy.

>>9905752
Always look it up on worldcat first.
OD = 99% → most common rip site
EBL/EBLIB aka proquest → free academic ripping source where some textbooks come from
other elibraries → negligible deDRM contribution
On amazon → someone has to buy it for you before uploading it
No worldcat ebook version, someone in a sweatshop literally has to manually scan every single page and very few people are this autistic.

The ↑ the number of ovedrive libraries it is on the more likely it is to get ripped. A lot of uploaders tend to use other people's library cards or successfully make fake accounts or have legit accounts to hold the books and rip them before everyone else.

The more OD libraries a book is on the faster it gets ripped. You can use Bibliotik's overdrive request script to see how many libraries it is on. For example, NK Jemisin's Stone Sky was on iirc 28 Overdrive libraries, TUC was on 4 and Palmer's The Will to Battle is only on 1 ovedrive library. Apprentice Alf's toolkit facilitates OD library ripping although it is also compatible with other sources like Amazon and Kobo with similar ease.

However, people do end up buying the books and uploading them.
The fact that Stone Sky ripped so fast and as an azw3 (as evidenced by the broken epub conversion) suggests that the copy of Jemisin's Stone Sky floating around is likely someone's kindle purchase from Amazon.

Similarly, The Unholy Consult floating around is probably a bought copy as OD had a much later release date if I recall correctly.

However, you must keep in mind that bought copies obviously have to be bought or via the refund abuse technique can lead to banned Amazon accounts, so very rare books are unlikely ever to get ripped if they are only on amazon. And the rarest of them all are book scans because few people have a cradle but they are the only way books that don't have an e version of it get onto the internet (also not usually retail quality and have shitty OCR artifacts because of someone's scanner). Sometimes people will also have to destroy a physical book if they don't want to scan every page by hand by cutting off the spine (common with manga scanlators who unbind books for the max quality, but if you see shitty OCR problems it's usually because the scanner didn't want to destroy their copy like that).

A commercial book scanner with page turning probably costs in the 2000+ of dollars.

>>9905649
No such thing as non-totalitarian communism, when will you fuckers learn. You can't implement it without a police state.

I want to pick up Dune and The Culture for a book club meetup. How balanced is it? Are they primarely books with fighting, intrigue or inner struggles of the main charachters? Could you aprox to me in percentages?

>>9905801
(continued)
Not only is there a technological barrier for most plebs to rip books or scan books but there are also facilities that publishers employ to discourage ebook sharing. For example, Amazon will embed an atvkin string containing the personal details of the purchaser, invisible when reading the book but embedded in the file. So if 'The Stone Sky' or 'The Unholy Consult' were indeed purchased from amazon the uploaders would take care to erase these strings.

Currently Alf's deDRMing toolkit relies only on breaking the DRM of older versions of ADE and the Kindle4PC. If the purchaser was to download the book on newer versions of these applications the deDRMing process would not work. The KFX format, for example, is still uncracked although significant progress is being made on unravelling the encryption. However that work is only coming from one person.

So mind you, everyone should enjoy the current free for all of very newly published books like retail copies of The Stone Sky and The Unholy Consult. All current ripping tools rely on using outdated applications that their publishers are already taking steps to block. You should be thankful for what you have access to because I expect that EVERY current epub/mobi/azw3 ripping tool will stop working in a few months. It could be days, it could be hours but they will all definitely be blocked as amazon and adobe work to block older versions of their applications.

Ultimately: broken ripping tools = no new books ever. Maybe shitty image screenshots of the book if people are willing to screenshot like 500 pages but no epubs. So I hope that no one here was silly enough to buy an ereader unless you actually buy books.

>>9905801
>>9905823
can I have a tl;dr? Is this something important to what I'm asking for, or just something you've had on your mind a while? I'm not judging, it just seems excessive. Also, I don't know if it's pertinent, but The Rivers Ran East was published in 53, so it's not exactly a new release.

>>9905831
99.99% of ebooks are ripped using only one method, by one set of tools, almost exclusively created by one person using an outdated method of ripping on the verge of being blocked for months. If you want to rip your own books or pirate books now is the time to do it, unless you are a mac os user who buys books on iTunes and has a copy of Tuneskit iBook Copy 2.1.1

>>9905810
Dune is about 90% intrigue and inner thoughts/10% action. Culture varies it up with some action, some humour, some weird architecture, etc. Which one are you thinking of picking up? I'd grab the 2nd one, Player of Games if you're starting out.

>>9905842
I haven't looked them up yet, figured people here know better than wikipedia. So secound book of The Culture.

>>9905810
The Player of Games from the Culture Novels is great. Dune is a safe bet on name alone though, but I do think its heavier.

>>9905831
Really only the paragraph on worldcat is super relevant. Worldcat tells you if an e edition exists or not.

>>9905361
The Silver Spike

>>9905864
alright, thank you.

I want to further dilute Jemisin's children's black heritage by having mixed race babies with her.

I wanted to read Arthur Machen after Lovecraft and Clark Ashton Smith and most of the weird tales set alluded to him in their stories. I read three of his short stories this week: The Inmost Light, Novel Of The Black Seal, Novel Of The White Powder; and now I'm beginning to get a grip on this Victorian Welshman.

Machen is very interested in the tension between materialism, superstition and the supernatural. These stories feature sceptic doctors and academics who are overwhelmed by events that contradict orthodox views; either by the testimony of a third party, or being lead by an insidious curiosity into investigating strange events. Their previous views about the universe are then shattered. Machen is also interested in the idea that there is a kernel of dreadful truth in the old English folktales; where legends of witches and faeries were made quaint and burlesque for a human psychological defence against being confronted by an actual dreadful history of murders, diabolical rites, and evil sciences, in the wind-swept hillside caverns and remote forests outside of the countryside.

He is 19thC but any Lovecraft reader should be able to digest him. He is fairly lucid but not as taut as 20thC writers. The vocabulary is simple but the prose tends to flow in long sentences - nowhere as clumsily as William Hodgson's prose, more like Robert Louis Stevenson and Conan Doyle. It feels like Machen stories are slow to start, but the endings have all been strong. I think any serious Lovecraft reader will enjoy him.

>>9905083
Yes, and? When have communists ever been anything else?

If you like trains, I recommend you these books.
These books are very nice!

>>9905978
Well, it's called science FICTION so I don't see why there could not be a book about communists being right. Which I assume is what anon asked for.

>>9905995
True, I guess even the impossible is possible in the realm of the imagination.

>>9904744

From what I've heard, "Honor Harrington" is a good candidate to replace the term "Mary Sue" in the dictionary

>>9905461
>>9905461
>Alabaster: a ten-ring (highest) level orogene, capable of quelling super-volcanoes and of using other orogenes' power to supplement his own. He has "skin so black it's almost blue", his hair is "dense, tight-curled stuff, the kind of hair that needs to be shaped if it's to look stylish", and he is "whipcord thin".
>So black he's almost blue
>Named Alabaster

So, what book has the best waifu? I propose Wheel of Time, it has pretty much a waifu for every taste, my personal favourite: Elmindreda Farshaw

>>9904029
>six replies
>no one said Iron Council yet
You guys are slipping

Say someone had both his legs broken by the mafia as a warning to his parents. Would said legs ever heal, and if so, how soon?

>>9906240
I broke my leg as a kid. Horribly. I spent about three months in a cast, and was back to "normal" within half a year. Long term damage did exist (my foot bends to the right slightly), but it was minimal. Of course, there are various degrees of "broken". Mine was a double spiral fracture, which is pretty darn bad, but isn't "shattered", which would require far more recovery time and might have longer-term problems.

So really, it comes down to how bad the breaks are.

>>9905461

>>9906254
Alright.
If anyone else has additional answers, I'm thinking two collegiate - age thugs with a maul smashed open a high-school sophmore's shins.
Bit gruesome, but it won't be described in action.

>>9906257
Can you edit in a tiny little Ada Palmer head on a housefly following far behind

>>9906257
You shouldn't be mean to Bakker after all he's done for the people here who were looking for more GRI in his books

>>9905988
autism

>>9906257
The original context is hilarious.

>>9906560
Can't tell if sarcastic or not.

“You’re not my Guardian anymore, you’re —” She dares to say it aloud at last. “You’re my new father. Okay? And th-that means we’re family, and… and we have to work together. That’s what family does, right? You let me protect you sometimes.”
fucking hell stone sky is killing me lads

>>9906747
In a good or a bad way?

>>9906764
A very good way in Nassun and Hoa's sections.

>>9906560
Who does that anymore?

>>9905169
Don't want to Stevian you all.

>>9907238
But Stevian is a good author

>>9905155
The short story awards are pretty good.

how little can happen in a short story before it stops being a story?

Im trying to get back into writing but my story basically amounts to an autistic apprentice magician people watching at a train station, telekinetically shoving a wife beater onto the tracks, and then writing a note to himself for future reference that people don't seem to find a guy being hit by a train entertaining, although he might be misinterpreting things. People do sceam when they're happy sometimes

>>9906254
Ouch. The only bone I ever broke was my pinky toe, but I didn't really understand that it was broken until it healed pointed inwards. Now it annoys me when I try to sleep

>>9906257
Scott had a hard life.

>>9906747
The plot was so damn bittersweet.
Also, does anyone else think that Schaffa is a direct line descendent of Conductor Gallat and is the one-year-old child described in this passage?
2613: A massive underwater volcano erupted in the Tasr Straits between the Antarctic Polar Waste and the Stillness. Selis Leader Zenas, previously unknown to be an orogene, apparently quelled the volcano, although she was unable to escape the tsunami that it caused. Skies in the Antarctics darkened for five months, but cleared just before a Season could be officially declared. In the immediate aftermath of the tsunami, Selis Leader’s husband – the comm head at the time of the eruption, deposed by emergency election – attempted to defend their one-year-old child from a mob of survivors and was killed. Cause disputed: Some witnesses say the mob stoned him, others say the former comm head was strangled by a Guardian. Guardian took the orphaned infant to Warrant.

>>9906308
I am not that anon. Photoshop masterrace

Do you guys like Cyberpunk? Any favorites?

>>9907403
Is there hot milf sex? Please tell me that mature orogene mature pussy gets reamed.

>>9905280
>cult value
its anything but "cult" now

>>9907832
Lerna fucks her but there hasn't been a sex scene yet and I'm near the end.

>>9906747
is the broken earth series somekind of teen fiction dystopian novel? if it's anything but, ill put it on my to read list.

>>9908044
It's GRI. Main character is a PTSD-ridden milf. If you can handle undertones of SJW it's great.

>>9908073
Depends of the class of SJW desu. Kill withey and everything htan doesn't think like me for example is no-no.

>>9904029
1984

>>9908835
1984 was socialist

>>9908845

>>9905461
>The real question is: what is her best work?
Broken Earth trilogy. Inheritance has one okay book (no 2) and one okay novella (the one with the new god as a kid flitting around). Dreamblood I liked, but I still put Broken Earth over it, BE just feels more solid, I can't explain it.
Anyway, avoid Inheritance, read Broken Earth and if you like it read Dreamblood too.

>>9906308
Why, what's up wih Ada Palmer?

>>9906115
Wheel of time only has three female characters repeatedly infinitely in different bodies and 2/3rds of them suck.

>>9907571
Gorgeous

>>9908894
She's just another Wolfe emulating author, but merely one very new on the scene

>>9906257
delet this

>>9908845
Only commies care about this alleged distinction

>>9908894
Too Like the Memes has to be one of the best modern books I've read this year with fascinating worldbuilding, great characters and great prose. It plays the humanities hard scifi to Watts' STEM scifi. Palmer masturbates to Voltaire and other 18th century philosophers, just as Simmons masturbates to Keats, though, so if you don't like that give it a miss.

Honestly, Simmons probably loved Keats more, however, I mean he had fucking two Keats clones and basically went through his tragic life, whereas Palmer likes to take a step back.

Palmer said in a recent interview that she was a massive Wolfefag and that he was a huge inspiration to her. Jacques the Fatalist and Bester's The Stars My Destination looks also to be pretty significant inspirations for her work. There's also a Sade arc.

>>9908963
>>9908955
I've read both of her books and I couldn't stop reading, even if I didn't really understand a nice chunk of it (a lot of the philosophical masturbating). And I can't wait for the final book (at least I think it's the final) in December.

opinions on Malazan series ?

>>9908970
No it's the third book. Three books out of four. The first two books are basically two chunks of one story arc and the next two books are chunks of the story arc after that. I'm in line for the Will to Battle hold (if the deDRMing isn't blocked by then) but my position in line is pretty shitty so I'm hoping that someone else will upload it before then.

>>9908973
Read the first book and stop there.
You don't want to get too attached and end up reading the last few books

>>9908973
The really good parts of the books are where Erikson copies the Black Company.
I slogged through the whole series mostly for them.

>>9908986
This. Soldiers doing soldier stuff is good. And Karsa Orlong doing Karsa Orlong stuff.
"Reaper something" is probably the last good book cause it still hass Bonehunters doing soldier stuff, after that it gets unreadable.

>>9908973
It's to long to be worth your time.

>>9908993
can you suggest a fantasy series that will keep me ocupied for a long time and it is actually good. I realy feel like reading 7 books of 1200 pages each .

>>9909000
Shadows of the Apt? Though Tchaikovsky is one of my favorites so I can't be objective.
Matthew Woodring Stover's Caine series has only 4 books but it's really good.
It seems to me that these huge series are generally either shit from the start or turn to shit somewhere in the middle.

>>9908963
>hard scifi
>humanities
u wot

>>9909000
Second Apocalypse

>>9909000
On the topick of long novels has ever been a Scifi book that is both long and worth reading ?

>>9909000
Read The Book of the New Sun, then The Fifth Head of Cerberus and then the rest of the Solar Circle.

>>9909025
Hard scifi technically isn't that hard either in my STEMfag opinion. People like Watts generally get by through the spamming of basic concepts like peristalsis.

>>9909048
GREG EGAN

>>9909025
Tbh Foundation is essentially Social Science Fiction, no it's not as absurd as it sounds

plus while it's not exactly physical sciences, scifi which makes reference to philosophy or history has to be as accurate as mention of biology or physics in standard hard scifi

>>9908976
>>9908970
Also it's worth noting the finale two books are going to written as the events occur (a chronicle), and not in the hindsight of the first two

Holy shit, Silverfox is such an annoying, terrible character. I truly hope that bitch gets what she deserves later on in the book.

>>9909000
Second Book of the New Sun -> Book of the Long Sun -> Book of the Short Sun

Before those I'd recommend reading 'The Fifth Head of Cerberus', 'Peace' and 'The Devil in a Forest'. All of his work is consistently excellent but these three are the most thematically important of Wolfe's early work for understanding what he's about, and will make Solar Cycle that much easier to comprehend first time around. Also if you manage to read all of this you qualify for at least being in the top 10% most patrician /sffg/ posters.

>>9909091
>Second
*Seconding, my mistake.

>>9909048
>Hard scifi technically isn't that hard either in my STEMfag opinion.
That's kind of inevitable. I mean how many STEMfags are able to have deep knowledge of anything but one narrow subfield? There's just too much to know. The rest you have to wing like you said, if you're writing scifi.

HARD SCI-FI
NO ALIENS
NOT TOO DISTANT FUTURE
GOOD CHARACTERS

does not exist

>>9909078
>Silverfox

She's pretty much a Mary Sue. I have no fucking idea what Erikson was thinking when he wrote that garbage.

>inb4 autistic screeching

>>9904008
I read it a few years ago, but I really like Auf zwei Planeten or Two Planets. Did somebody else know it?

November can't come fast enough.

>>9909321
Sanderson is shit.

>>9909329
I have only read Mistborn and Stormlight.
I fucking hated Mistborn but i really like Stormlight.

Why isn't there a series or something similar to the Witcher, but without the overarching meme plot. Just monster-hunting and world-exploration?

>>9909344
>Just monster-hunting and world-exploration?
Because that's not a novel, that's a video game.

opinions on The reality disfuntion by Peter f.Hamilton?

>>9908973
Loved it, and plan to reread it.
Have a look at r/malazan instead of /SFFG/, hating on the series it a meme in these parts.
Start here: /r/Malazan/search?q=starting&restrict_sr=on
and /r/Malazan/comments/46bw4c/new_reader_curious_about_the_series/?st=j6husyq6&sh=ba493552
and r/Malazan/comments/6n6qg2/what_do_most_people_misinterpret_before_starting/?st=j6hu4gys&sh=d9c33fa5

>>9909344

You might like The Chronicles of the Black Company, its told from the perspective of the chronicler in the Black Company recording their misadventures.

>>9909411
I've read the first 3 books. They're pretty good.

>>9909321
>tfw Oathbringer and Winds of Winter are the only books I'm "looking forward to"
>one I don't really care about and the other will never be released

>Write sci-fi
>Have to go with female protag

How can I make this work? She's a passive piece of shit that would really work a 1'000'000x better as a backing character but the whole point of all this is writing a protag of the opposite sex.

What do you guys usually reel away from in female main characters?

>>9909451
If you're only capable of thinking in terms of narrative you write will ever work.

>>9909451
Depends on the story honestly. But for most stories I'd say write a genderless (or male if that's easier for you) stand-in and then add some femininity in scenes where it's logical.

>>9909451

nigger what youre writing it make her not a piece of shit

I need help /lit/ Im looking for a series to start reading. I have read The first law/WoT/Malazan/Gentleman bastards/Rhobbs shit/ASOIAF/Black company and a few more. Malazan/WoT/BComp/ are my favourites if that can help you assist me.

>>9909482
>Malazan/WoT/BComp/ are my favourites if that can help you assist me.
Words of Radiance

>>9909476
>>9909468
>>9909473

Here's the issue.

I don't wanna write a dude and give him titties shortly after lopping off his dick.

I want a solid female protag who I can use to find a narrative. With how by-the-book women tend to be(Super successful in their twenties and married in their thirties) I can't see where I can make her driven or interesting.

Call me a dumbass misogynist but women don't have the drive like we men do. Their worth can always be attributed to how well they raise their kids.

So that's why I wanna know what makes you guys dry heave when it comes to female characters.

I wanna write a good one.

If need be I'll show y'all what I've gotten down so far.

>>9909482
Mistborn
or: >>9909526

>>9909529
>>9909526
Yeah forgot to mention those didn't like mistborn much.

>>9909248
>not wanting to breed ber

>>9909329

>>9909528
I want to read about interesting and special characters, male of female. "Realistic" characters is a meme, my male neighbor (or me) would never become Severian or Paul Atreides under any circumstances. I don't want to read about the girl next door, no matter how realistic she might be. Just don't write a boring stereotype, like Shallan in WoK.

>Call me a dumbass misogynist but women don't have the drive like we men do. Their worth can always be attributed to how well they raise their kids.
If that's what you believe why don't you make someone kidnap the kid? There's your drive.

Would you boys read my novel?

>Magus infiltrates a rival Magi House to try and cease the development of their "Grand Opus": the creation of magical golems (basically the in-universe version of magical nukes)
>Ends up inadvertently bringing them to their completion and sparking one of the greatest wars the subcontinent of Feolyn has ever seen
>Written from the perspective of this magus twenty years after the fact as a memoir and chronicle of his version of events
>Covers his early life as a magus, his infiltration and subterfuge in the guise of a magus of House Vabbi, his participation in the War, and his self-imposed exile in the wilderness
>Style is faux-18th/early 19th century somewhat in the vein of Dr. Strange & Mr. Norell
>Unreliable narration in that the magus attempts to convince the reader of his innocence and lack of complicity; the book is essentially an apology, a self-defense

It's a bit difficult to explain the whole thing just because some of it requires knowledge of how the Magi Houses are set up and how magic works, but essentially the story is a commentary on nuclear weapons narrated by a Baroque Robert Oppenheimer who inadvertently sets off a conflict akin to the Thirty Years' War fought with muskets, magic, and sentient (and insane) nukes.

Also, a bit about how magic works in this world: it's a curse, rather than a gift. To be born with magical ability is essentially to be born with cancer or a deathly disease. You are condemned to a short life rather than a long life, and even to be able to live and use magic at all without imploding or going insane requires the use of a device known as a Vital Limiter. Magic is corrosive rather than salutary. Magi are also essentially slaves of the state (as living weapons, scholars, and councilors) and of their respective Magi House, and no magus is allowed to live that exists outside of this structure. There's more but I'm running out of space.

Anyway, would you read?

>>9909528
>>9909451

>>9909583
This sounds like a few anime and fantasy books I read combined.

>>9909583
not a terrible premise

>>9909583
Nothing wrong with the premise. If I'd read it or not depend on your writing.

>>9909573
I loathe to write special characters, though I suppose it might be something worth thinking of. Making them special, in some way, might be a shout but I dread making a Mary Sue.

>>9909607
Yeah, I know that the whole "magical house" thing is a common trope. I'm not seeking to reinvent the wheel. I set out to write a good, emotionally involving story with good characters (really it's a character study above all), not to create the most remarkably original fantasy world with incredible worldbuilding and a vast scope.

I do think, however, that the idea of magic being a negative thing rather than a positive thing is somewhat unique (magi are so short lived and obsessed with life that artificers toil to create new Vital Limiters that might add only a month or even a few weeks to a magus' lifespan; their entire purpose in life is to create their own personal "Opus" that will earn them even passing mention after their death). And I think that there is still not a lot of "matchlock fantasy" out there.

>>9909536
WoD is the book after WoK you dumbo.

What does /sffg/ think of Vellum?

>>9909451
Miss Smilla's Feeling for Snow is a good example of a well written female protagonist by a male author I think

>>9909667

bit obsolete we have paper now

>>9909655
>I do think, however, that the idea of magic being a negative thing rather than a positive thing is somewhat unique
That is what I'm talking about
Night Angel trilogy had people fucking up their bodies to use magic.
Same shit with Sanderson's Elantris, those priests fucked themselves up anytime magic was used
it might also be in a few other books I read, but can't recall atm. But when I said books and anime I was mainly thinking of the "magic is a curse / has a terrible price".

But everything was done before. The main feat is to make it enjoyable, and memorable. Don't fill it with too many tropes, nor add a love triangle or some shit.

>>9909679

>>9909642
Here's a small excerpt of the first draft, though I will likely rewrite most of this later on:

“To echo is a great thing, for, however soft, you have made at some point a sound.”

Someone told me that once, though I’m not quite certain who it was; still, it seems an appropriate sentiment to inaugurate this, the beginning of my book.

I write this now at the reprieve of some years from the events I have set out to chronicle, how many I care not and dare not to tally. Alone in the woods I have eked out a simple, if not altogether comfortable life. I was reared neither in the fields nor on the margin of the water, but amongst the stink and din of the city. I am accustomed to neighbors, to sleeping with the noise of pipes and drunken sailors ringing in my ears, to the smell of shit and spices and baking bread, to beer and women and the pleasure of feather mattresses and roaring hearths. Here there is silence (excepting the squawking of that damned crow each morning), and the fragrance of pine straw and moldering leaves, and clean air and cool water and endless skies, and not a sign, nor even the barest suggestion, of another living person to be found.

It was, however, solitude that I sought, time to comprehend what I saw, what I did, what happened after and what has happened since. I have heard no news of Feolyn, nor of the war, since entering into my exile; but I have found drifting, as languid as autumnal leaves, down the river the bloated forms of armored men, sword or musket or halberd still in hand, faces browned to cordovan in the sun; or half-clothed women, bruised and blackened like peaches, sometimes clasping their babes to their bare breasts; or children disemboweled, their entrails leading a school of hungry fish; and thus I know that war still rears its baleful head, and Feolyn is not yet at peace. The lordly hand still outstretches (like all gamblers they have the restlessness of addicts), and blood still is bandied for fat keeps and rich soil. The taste of war is heady, and the war that mars fair Feolyn's face is dulcet indeed.

You see, I am a rather waspy, world-weary, testy old man, as old men are wont to be. I have few illusions left. They were stripped of me either by force or by time, and here I am, a hermit living in his own filth in the howling wilds that has not left in him a single believing bone. But then again that is the lot of the magus: our lives are too brief for romance, either of the flesh or of the mind. We are predisposed by providence to swallow the bitter draught of cynicism

>>9909695
Gheeeeeeeey

>>9909690
True enough. I admit, I haven't read either of those series so I didn't know beforehand. But hopefully I'll be able to make it memorable, without making use of too many tropes.

>>9909703
It is indeed, quite gay, if I do say so myself. However, would you mind sharing why you personally believe it to be gay?

>>9909690
Don't forget Bakker, where you go straight to hell and get tortured for all eternity by demons for using magic.

>>9909690
Wheel of Time kinda do the magic is negative thing. Most people dislike magic users, using magic is dangerous and for male users it almost always end in an early death.

>>9909708
The pic desu lad.

I didn't even read it. I've got a low IQ.

>>9909695
>“To echo is a great thing, for, however soft, you have made at some point a sound.”
surely that's not a real quote, it's lame as fuck

>>9909695
>the smell of shit
Writing about shit ad infinitum is some GRRM tier stuff. It, together with the part about the "damn crow" makes it seem immature and very much like speech, not like a book written by an old mage. But In general I'd say it's not to bad.

Are Esslemont's books worth reading if I enjoyed Malazan?
Assail, particularly, seems interesting.

>>9905687
Exactly, now go back to tumblr queer

>>9909721
It's not a real quote (really it's probably not even real in-universe but a product of the author's imagination) but fair enough. It can be changed or deleted entirely, it's not pivotal or anything.

It's related to the protag's desire to find some kind of value in what he did. All magi try to carry off an Opus, some kind of deed that will earn them renown after their deaths. His deed was supposed to be stopping House Vabbi from developing golemry (their magical superweapon); instead, he actually aided its completion and helped, albeit indirectly, start the war. So he failed, and his "echo", the ripple that he made in the fabric of history, his Opus, is the war. Magi are obsessed with post-death "immortality", with how they'll be remembered. So if the protag is remembered (if he's remembered at all) as someone who brought magical nukes into the world, as a villain, would he be alright with that? Being hated is a type of immortality in and of itself. But obviously he's not alright with that, so he writes this book in order to try and set things straight and reclaim his reputation. Perhaps I can think up a quote that is less sophomoric and encapsulates that idea a little better, though.

>>9909739
Thanks for the tip, I'll go ahead and change that. The entire idea of it being written in a faux 18th century style is actually kind of new, and I haven't really implemented it yet, so I was thinking that those parts were a bit jarring as well. Glad that you didn't find it completely terrible, anon.

To the Golem and the meme shill. Does this turn into a Jewish and Muslim entity interracial novel?

>>9909695
>half-clothed women, bruised and blackened like peaches
You like the "cunt is like a peach" meme huh?
The intro isn't too bad. From that excerpt I would probably read the book. Make sure to have GRI APPROVED moments in your novel. Have females hearing that having sex with 100+ men would "cure the curse" and just have them go wild. Have fathers (/mothers) using their daughters (/sons) after finding out they fed and clothed (essentially wasted food) on a cursed child. Have children running away from home because they are afraid of manifested abilities, and being raped in city alleys. Have old spinster women mages that are weak, homes broken into, and men taking advantage of her because "pay back for what you did". Have mothers / fathers mages breeding their children / siblings, in hopes of getting a strong enough strain that doesn't end with the user's death (they still die obviously).
Just pack it full, your use gruesome imagery shows that you're a kindred spirit at heart.

Please say thank you to chart anon / word art anon in your acknowledgments for making you laugh.

>>9907308
Yeah, the pain was really indescribable. I don't think anything has ever come close since then. It made describing pain to doctors whenever I'd injure myself afterwards difficult, because after that experience nothing really hurt the same anymore. Any pain that wasn't ball-crushingly hideous was just "eh, that's nothing compared to breaking my leg".

>>9908973
On Toll The Hounds right now and absolutely loving it. Just expect to be reading the series for like half a year, it's about 10,000 pages.

>>9909742
The Malazan Empire novels are tough to read, but the stories are good.
NK is short and difficult to read, RotCG was better. SW about the same as RotCG, and OST slightly better (though I'm only halfway through).

If you really like Malazan, the stories are worth the difficult reads.

>>9910290
I had a spiral fracture of the upper arm and didn't really feel pain cause I was in shock the whole time. Feeling the broken ends wiggling on the way to the hospital felt nauseatingly weird though. I bet having that happen to a leg is ten times worse.

>>9904620
>>9904634

Currently reading this, my first sci-fi. Any more post-modern science fiction recommendations?

>>9910319
I mean I did feel it but was too unhinged to really process.

>>9910319
It is. There's something about the leg bones that makes damage to them much worse. I broke my arm later in life and only noticed it was broken when the whole thing went numb. Not like my leg fracture at all. I've heard this from other people who've broken legs as well, for some reason that part of the body's just an absolute bitch to injure.

http://www.tor.com/2017/08/18/nk-jemisin-lovecraft-trilogy/
>>9905440

>N. K. Jemisin’s New Contemporary Fantasy Trilogy Will “Mess with the Lovecraft Legacy”

>So if you’re using Cthulhu, are you an H.P. Lovecraft fan?

>Oh, hell no. This is deliberately a chance for me to kind of mess with the Lovecraft legacy. He was a notorious racist and horrible human being. This is a chance for me to basically have them kick the ass of his creation.

Is this the goddess that /sffg/ really wants?

>ima going to defeat Cthulhu because is a creation of muuh racist author

>>9910388
Fuck, wrong post

>>9905461

Here you go..

>>9910388
I feel myself becoming more racist just reading this post, if only because it ruffles this obnoxious savage's feathers.

>>9904008
This is still Sanderson's best book.

>>9910306
Thanks.

I'm nearly finished with the second book in The Book of New Sun, just finished The Ogre's tale. Love the amount of lore and ambiguity the series has to offer, I have to say though I don't see all the fuss about Dorcas so far. I know she's well loved among the fans but I much prefer Thecla as she's pretty much my ideal woman.

PS: What do I read next by Wolfe? Already read Fifth Head. I was thinking of going for Latro next.

>>9910442
Either that or WoD.
I wish he would stop writing his shitty YA books and start writing the next Warbreaker.

>>9910432
>negro eggs
reminds me of a german joke. This is translated, so bear with me.
a couple is driving down a road when they come across a semi truck, flipped on it's side. Boxes were dumped on the road, and it's contents, shokoküsse were scattered around. The driver was in the street, stomping on them. The couple were baffled.
"What are you doing?" They ask, and the driver looks over at them.
"Quick! Before they hatch!"

>>9910432
I always thought the racism made him a sort of tragic figure, condemned to this debilitating paranoia of people - it's not as if he didn't regret it later in life

I mean, even Mieville likes Horror at Red Hook
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSxm_nhqDyw

>>9910388
She hasn't read Lovecraft very closely. His racist views were expressed while he was a juvenile; his infamous poem often presented mischievously on here. They reached an apex during his New York years when he was living in a slum apartment, where he his winter clothing was stolen. So of course he was salty. His later fiction and letters more worldly and cosmopolitan, and show HP's development from being an aristocratic white supremacist to a vaguely socialist nativist (different races are ok if they integrate, support for New Deal.)

There's a world of difference between The Horror At Red Hook and The Shadow Out Of Time.

>>9910465
I guess I should explain that shokoküsse used to be called neggerküsse, or negro kisses.

>>9910502
Also how Robert E. Howard became less of a racist after exchanging letters with Lovecraft.

>>9910541
Yes, Jemisin's damnation of Lovecraft suggests either an ignorance of his stories, or a dogmatic unwillingness to believe that people's views can mature or change over a life time.

>>9910172
Will do anon.

Funnily enough, the creation of golems involves basically torturing witches. In this sense a "witch" is any magus whose vitae (magical energy) isn't staunched by the installation of a Vital Limiter. They experience "vital overflow"; magical energy leaks and radiates from them with abandon, severely altering their surroundings and often leading to widespread carnage and destruction, and the witch is consumed in the process. All of this happens before puberty. To create a golem, essentially you take a witch, keep them alive and contained in a great state of agony and eventual insanity, then transmute their animus onto vast suits of armor or really any kind of "host".

Tl;dr children are basically tortured to the point of insanity and impelled to murder thousands of people. GRI enough?

>>9910388
If I ignore it, will it just go away?

>>9910388
This is why we need Death of the Author.

>Fantasy and SCIENCE FICTION general
>Little to no talk about science fiction beyond the PKD
What did you guys mean by this?

>>9910614
Not a lot of good SF being written lately.

>>9910614
Fantasy is more popular in general.

>>9910614
Visual SF may have removed the thunder from the written form. What can match the spectacle and pathos of Interstellar, The Martian, and Alien Prometheus/Covenant? Even the 2014 Tom Cruise film, a box office flop, was the kind of rollicking military SF to match Heinlein, Haldeman, Steakly and Card.

When I read SF now it's more for the character interaction - leaving the speculations and visual appeal to the movies.

>>9910684
>the 2014 Tom Cruise film, a box office flop
Budget $178 million[3]
Box office $370.5 million[3]

this is a flop? it returned the investment and earned that much again.

>>9910614

>>9910614
Science fiction died with progressivism.

>>9909230
neuromancer?

>>9910614
his solar cycle is science fiction and we talk about it all the time

>>9910502
>from being an aristocratic white supremacist to a vaguely socialist nativist
That's a sharp decline tbqh, just look at where that sort of thinking brought America.

>>9910623
I wish Vernor Vinge would pick his pen up again

>>9910462
>WoD
?

>>9910684
>match
>steakley
no

>When I read SF now it's more for the character interaction - leaving the speculations and visual appeal to the movies.
Speaking of which, it's really hard to find sci-fi or fantasy literature with strong characterization and immersive psychology. Strangely, the YA novels I read 15 years ago were generally stronger in that department.

>>9910716

It's a bad recollection on my part, I'm probably confusing its box office with critical reception. I enjoyed Edge Of Tomorrow, it's the sort of one-and-done non-superhero film I'd like to see more of. It had a jaunty golden age SF feel, so it would'nt surprise me if the writers had read a bunch of military SF or taken on those influences second hand - like Ridley Scott and his palpable Lovecraft + Erich Von Danniken/ancient astronaut ideas.

>>9910614
These days sf is either YA dystopia, military sci-fi (/tg/) or political drivel.
The genre is in decline.

>>9910961
>Edge Of Tomorrow,
you should read the manga it was based off of

>>9911001
It's based on a light novel.

>>9910961
>>9911001
>>9911031
Edge Of Tomorrow is literally Groundhog Day + aliens.

>>9911040
what's your point?

>>9911001
Are the Japanese golden SF nuts? There was a recent anime about a group of children in a library, and they would meme eachother about Isaac Asimov and Theodore Sturgeon, and other writers hardly any Westerner would read nowadays. I also watched an anime recently, the title I've forgotten, situated in an alternative dystopian Earth timeline where space investment has been neglected, so the astronaut program is a joke and full of reprobates, until one of them is inspired by an unfortunate woman into appreciating the lofty ideal of going into space. The film is an extended training sequence but is full of golden age SF storytelling and tone - the optimistic and lofty aspirations of space pioneering that Asimov and Heinlein were all about.

>>9911056
>Are the Japanese golden SF nuts
yeah- so much so they invented multiple genres. mecha and space opera. Probably more I'm not thinking of.

>>9911056
>>9911062
okay space opera is from france, but still- pretty sure japan makes the most sci-fi stuff, even if it's schlock sci-fi.

>>9911056
Miss Bernard Says?
Wings Over Hollandaise?

Worth reading, lads?

>>9911115
Correct both. Wings Over Honneamise isn't a memorable name for a film but I enjoyed it. Roger Ebert gave it a favourable review. Its ending montage, showing the scope of human development from the primordial to space exploration, was profound.

>>9910783
Science fiction has always been progressive.

>>9910614
>meta posting
What did YOU mean by this? I've basically only posted about sci-fi (BotNS and Hard to be a God) during this thread.

>>9910783
This.

>>9909715
>Don't forget Bakker, where you go straight to hell and get tortured for all eternity by demons for using magic.
To be fair you go straight to hell and get tortured for all eternity by demons for farting in company in that setting.

>>9905708
This would fit my criteria if aspiaf took place in 5% of the globes total landmass

>>9905155
>their

>>9910325

>>9910388
>Black woman author
>Not shit

Choose one

>>9910614
I take pride in the fact that the admittedly lesser scifi discussion is of high quality novels. Modern scifi is polluted with easy-on-the-brain trash. but we only talk of true patrician shit here

>>9911612
I wonder how much hatefiction she's written about whites. I'm pretty sure she's written at least one story about white people getting killed or raped. Maybe that's how she got published.

>>9911688
FAKE AND GAY

Book with femboy protagonist?

>>9910388
Did anyone actually read that article, or are we just going to pretend this is what was said?

>>9911896
Nah, those are real tweets. It's not like you have to make that shit up, blacks hate white people.

>>9911958
That's what it literally said though.

Can I get my book about aromantic schizoid pseudo-humans published through Tor?

>>9911973
Only if they are brown.

>>9911979
But they're grey.

>>9911964
>blacks hate white people.
I want a qt white gf

>>9911969
No she didn't, I read the article. False flaggers.

>>9911964
>blacks hate white people
Well there actually was this one retard on 4chan.

>>9911995
The only thing black men hate more than white people is black women, frankly.

>>9912112
>hating your own kind
Is there anything lower than a nigger?

>>9912009
I did and it said exactly that.

>>9912116
A white liberal.
>>9912058
I was making a sweeping generalisation but it's true, you really don't need to fabricate tweets made by black racists. More on topic I'm pretty sure Jemisin is one of those.

Okay so...

Shauriatus is still alive and has just transferred to using the Mutilated (and maybe all the rest of the Mangaecca?) as his new hosts, right? Or am I the only one who thinks this?

>>9912257
Spoilering your post is useless if you don't say what it's a spoiler for.

>>9910795
did you finish it? aliens at the end and important in the later books.

>>9912297
Yeah, good point actually. I want to talk about Bakker the GRI master's latest book, The Unholy Consult.

>>9910684
>Interstellar
Garbage
>The Martian
Bazinga
>Alien Covenant
Rushed mediocrity
>Prometheus
I swear I'm the only one who likes this movie

Gene Wolfe shits on all of these plebs.

>>9905361
Altered Carbon as a follow-up to Neuromancer. I might keep the cyberpunk binge going or try something new. Not sure yet.

I've been inspired to try write my own cyberpunk story just for fun. Just working on the story at the moment.

>>9908973
Womyn soldiers/positions of authority

Need I say more?

>>9912009
Read it again, also it's a Tor article. If she hadn't said that she would notified to them.

>>9910388
>This is a chance for me to basically have them kick the ass of his creation.

>ima defeat that horrible human being because muh Herber West

Are we in front of the perfect example about "social justice"? i mean, there's the need of creating an innecesary villain instead of viewing the racism of Lovecraft as a product of the time and a isolated mind.

>>9912464
>>9912117
Shut up you stupid false flaggers. You just can't handle when a woman of color is successful while even someone like Sanderson can get published and you can't.

>>9912485
Hack writers like Rothfuss and his second episode of elf hentai, Breeks' Night Angel Trilogy, Eragon kid and whatever pile of YA pleb shit Ready Player One and Red Rising was supposed to be all became successfully published garbage.

It does not surprise me that most people on 4chin write worse than the shittiest hack and are critiqued by even shittier hacks. Granted, you won't immediately notice that a person is a retarded ngmi like on /ic/ but every time someone has posted their fucking work on this board it has been absolutely fucking garbage, I just don't go around telling people that it is absolutely fucking garbage.

>>9912485
I can't tell if this post is sincere or not, there's so many tumblrinas here these days it's impossible to say.

>>9912547
>I can't tell if this post is sincere
That's because you are a retarded newfag from tumblr. Lurk the fuck more you mentally ill piee of shit.

>>9912393
I like Prometheus and Covenant a lot, but I can't get enough of ancient astronauts, existentialist AI, and the teething problems of space colonisation, informed by Philip K Dick, Lovecraft, Asimov as well as Milton. Ridley Scott surely has a good library of SF and classics. It's not unreasonable to think he has read Gene Wolfe. Anyway, the problem is that the multitudes, who demand cliches, want another Alien 2, or Alien Vs Predator action movie.

>>9912547
Patrick broke into a sprint, the wind chilled his ball head. The Syphilusians were after him. The night sky raged with dark, dreary, smoke that could've blacked out the sky that was already in a black discord of a dark, empty, void. One jumped out a bush:

"Stand down!" Patrick screeched. The knife went into the Syphilus's throat. The blood caked his mane of a beard. The horror of life made him howl to the foggy, night, dark, moon.

This is what you fucks write like. Even Sanderson and Rothfuss are better than you faggots.There's no agenda, YOU CAN'T FUCKING WRITE.

>>9912393
interstellar isnt garbage. its actually pretty good. its the love shit that's garbage.
>the martian
>reddit argument
not an argument

>>9912485
>http://www.tor.com/2017/08/18/nk-jemisin-lovecraft-trilogy/

why would it upset h.p. that someone writes a story were cthulhu is defeated?
even by so called "brown people"

>>9912593
>Ridley Scott surely has a good library of SF and classics. It's not unreasonable to think he has read Gene Wolfe
Do you think so? The quality of Hollywood science-fiction generally makes me think nobody in that town reads but then maybe that's just producers shitting on every good idea like George Lucas said. I remember feeling super-sad when I learned that Joel Schumacher (director of Batman & Robin) was always a huge Batman fan and wanted to adapt 'Year One' but was only allowed to do the studio's retarded ideas.

Maybe if he lived in a commie country or went independent Scott could have made Covenant into something great. In commentary tracks he tends to sound a bit odd but not stupid. He actually seems to have a fair bit of artistic integrity and genuinely wants all of his movies to be great.

>>9912608
I liked Interstellar until they went into space. From that point onwards the only scene worth seeing was the one where he saw his family growing up. Time dilation is an awesome idea which most science-fiction never touches but unfortunately Nolan is an aspergic robot who wasn't able to do anything really profound with it. Gunbuster and Diebuster unironically did it better. Not to mention of course Gene Wolfe, whose Solar Cycle is probably the best relativity-based science-fiction ever created, on top of winning just about every other category.

>>9912617
>wanting to defeat Cthulhu

For your own safety, avoid wharves full of swarthy Portugese and nautical negroids

>>9912663
Just look at Ridley's filmography, it's eclectic and full of literary references, but SF and history are his main preoccupations - Kingdom Of Heaven, Gladiator and Alien, and the biblical drama he did. He's all about ancient history and SF - I'd be very surprised if he didn't read Gene Wolfe because somebody will have at least recommended him since the 1980s. As for how well read Hollywood is, it's the producers and casting who will have never read a book since high school I strongly suspect scripwriters and directors do mine public domain stories, classics and obscurities for inspiration. Some more than others, Ridley Scott probably being more well read than most. Another who comes to mind in SFF is Guillermo Del Toro.

>>9912732
Del Taco might be a raging comics-faggot but he does seem to also like his books a fair bit. Being a native Spanish-speaker I wouldn't be surprised to learn that he's read Borges and that that's had some influence on his work. And Ridley does seem to really want to raise studio-filmmaking to patrician levels but can't quite seem to get everything to come together. I hear that he wants to do more Alien movies, hopefully he's able to get them going where he wants to. Covenant may have been a mess but David is probably the best thing to happen to Hollywood science-fiction since 2001 (the movie, not the year).

And speaking of Kubrick, is A.I. any good? Armond White is always praising it and recently one of my friends also recommended it. I liked Minority Report so I have some faith in Spielbergo.

>>9912752
Well A.I. is Spielberg so you know what to expect, all-American sentimentality. I was underwhelmed but my memory of it is from 10+ years ago. Close Encounters is his best science fiction film.

>>9911964
>assholes on Twitter represent entire race.
>implying Twitter isn't a cesspool of racists regardless of race.

You sir are a clown.

>>9909451
Instead of make her a grating "I'm a womyn than needs no man, pew pew die >:(" play the strong part of females, maternal, caring, building links with people, subtle manipulation to make them look good etc. Polgara from the Belgarath was a very Female strong personality, or Morraine from the Wheel of time.
Shit, I really need more books with good female characters.

>>9912803
Twitter, any black majority areas, Africa... Any place outside of your little bubble is filled with racists really. Shit, they genocided the whites in SA and I'm sure you will tell me that wasn't racist at all.

>>9911089
Jap sci fi, is butter hard and has plenty of moe shit or High School stuff, even the books of the Legend of galactic heroes are pretty meh.

Nsw bread when??

Are there any fantasy novels that deal with the discovery of a new continent and the resulting clash of cultures? Preferably with decently deep characters.

>>9913124
>tfw black

>>9913280
Your racist ass is going down, Jemisin.

>>9913339
Jemisin
>on /sffg/
>racist
ISHYGDDT

>>9913124
You can't be racist against white you retarded nazi sympathizer

I just finished Citadel of the Autarch

Do the Ascians make any further appearances in the extended series? I'm getting a little bored of the plot to be honest and the ending didn't really satisfy me (at all), but Ascians/Erebus etc and the war seemed interesting.

>>9913409
Urth as you see it in Book of the New Sun is only seen in Book of the New Sun. Urth of the New Sun, Book of the Long Sun and Book of the Short Sun are all completely different deals overloaded with crazy new stuff.

If you found some of the more down to earth stuff interesting (crazy cultures, evil demi-gods, wars) you'll probably enjoy Book of the Long Sun.

Are there any good recent series with a diverse cast?
And not pol memes either, genuine diverse cast, kind of tired of reading about worlds that are all based on europe ya kno

>>9913469
Enders Game series. Plenty of chink and hue culture/people

>>9912602
>Syphilusians
>Patrick screeched
>The horror of life made him howl to the foggy, night, dark, moon.
kekked out loud
this is good, you should write a story or something

>>9913487
>Ender's Game
>Recent

>>9912527
>Breeks' Night Angel Trilogy

but that was actually good

>>9913528
Missed that. Sorry.

>>9913551
Too polite for 4chin

>>9913551
No worries.
I liked the first ender's game book, heard some shit about the ones afterwards so I never bothered with them

>>9913571
>heard some shit about the ones afterwards so I never bothered with them
They're the ones you should actually read though. The last one is admittedly middling, but Xenocide is pretty great.

Anyway, the meeting of vastly different cultures is the whole point of the the book.

>>9904008
I made a new thread, so we could continue the discussion there!

>>9913628
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>>9913639
fuck this guy

didn't even link the previous thread

>>9913400
>This is what libruls actually believe

>>9913655
He did link it. But he is the retard that places it at the bottom of the list of numbers instead of the top.