/lit/ - Literature

about god damn time

Cool artwork though I wonder who was responsible for adding the text, from the thumb it looks like it says "erature digest", orange on oragen?

also
cool I was waiting for it

>mfw fucking finally

you glorious bastards

>>990441

¿ZMG accept submissions that are in other idioms?

>>990465
The smoke makes it hard to see from the thumbnail.

This is awesome, and excactly what stuff 4chan is made for. Very happy to see something liek this happen.

>>990473
Spanish and Portuguese.

Another release thread done.

No more pressure, no more deadlines, everything finished... victory

Hope /lit/ enjoys it. As usual, we expect only the finest hate. I have no doubts about /lit/ being able to match up to this task

As always, we would like to thank the good people of /lit/ for submissions

hit me up with your thoughts, /lit/erati, I'm curious to know what you think about my story.

I'm considering doing a sequel depending on what you guys think of it.

YES.

Jesus, what a piece of shit. I haven't looked at the Zine for a while because it has always been so bad. Thought I might give it a try today. I scroll past the cover to the Table of Contents and...it's all greentext, impossible to read on the background.

WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU WHY DO YOU SUCK SO BAD?!?!?!

It took 5 releases for you guys to finally justify text even though it was the first and most repeated complaint you ever got.

Now you finally justify text but double-space every paragraph? WHY?!?!

Have you people ever read a real magazine before? The most important part of your job is to make the text legible. The Table of Contents is completely illegible. The weird gray see-through background shit is illegible. The double spacing makes the think longer and more tiring to read. WE JUST WANT FUCKING TEXT, NOT A WHOLE BUNCH OF INDESIGN-NOOB-ART-FAGGOTRY.

I hate you all, and always have.

I'd love comments.

>>990537
Fucking Magnets, how do they work?

>>990537
Don't feel alone. I cannot relate to you fuckers either.

Good job taking that suggestion to add links after each story for criticism/discussion. People might actually give feedback this time.

Everything else sucks though. What's with the Microsoft clip-art red-flame background?

>>990537
stay back, monster

I've never read an issue of ZWG. I used to read some of Josef K's stuff on /x/... is the stuff he's writing for ZWG new stories or are they available elsewhere...?

The Stables, they're Marble is the greatest poem in the history of literature.

Grats to NaCi

>>990496


I writte in spanish... That means I can submit to ZMG?

awesome stuff

>>990553
I believe the author's pen name is NaCl.

Which is also the chemical name for table salt.

COINCIDENCE?

>>990553
Hello my name is incitatus
and I
am a senator horse

It was a great thread when he posted that for the first time.

>>990571
just chemicals.

captcha:
wrong Nguyen

>>990537
Thank you for your feedback. We're continually working to improve, so we'll take your complaints into consideration.

Here's a question for the audience: what text would look better for the Table of Contents? I agree that the green isn't ideal, but we couldn't find a text color that was readable on the background.

>>990589
Take the background off.

>>990589

solution: don't put visually complex backgrounds behind motherfucking text. christ. every time i see an issue of ZWG i'm tempted to offer you guys my services. don't make me actually follow through.

The covers always look so amateurish and deviantart.

>>990595
Sorry guys but he's got a point.

Images, I think, are fine as little pictures to go with the stories. Whole backgrounds detracts from the text.

>>990611
I like the covers, the fucking backgrounds are horrid.

Captcha: Scening extrovert

>>990612
>>990603
>>990595
I'm inclined to agree with you, but then when we did that, a number of people complained it was too boring with too much black-on-white and not enough color.

So, we don't really have a lot of middle ground here...

WELL THANKS EVERYONE FOR CRITIQUING WHAT PEOPLE ACTUALLY WROTE INSTEAD OF THE FUCKING BACKGROUNDS

>>990611
looks like batman in hogwarts

>>990618
If you guys could hold down a graphic artist, making custom backgrounds with designated white rectangles for the table of contents would be a great solution.

tier list GET

>>990496
Well, fuck you.

>>990622
This the point. The backgrounds and formatting are so bad we can't even read the stories. The junk thrown in by the editors is completely distracting.

There's a reason you don't see that bullshit in real magazines - the point of a magazine is the content. Keep any graphics low key and out of the way so people can enjoy the stories.

Fuck you Zine editors, you've been told this since the very first edition and every single time you mess it up more.

>>990629
Yeah, I know. They typically evaporate after maybe 1-2 issues. Bantha is the only artist to actually stay with us.
At any rate, backgrounds are gone for future issues unless we figure something better out

>>990622
this

>>990589
>we couldn't find a text color that was readable on the background.
This is a clue that you shouldn't have a background.

>>990633 go see >>990636

>>990635

you shouldn't need to "hold down" an artist, except maybe to make custom images if that's what you want. get one good one, have them make one issue to show you how things should be formatted, and then just follow their example. the problem, i guess, is finding someone who actually knows what the fuck they're doing.

>>990647
ask /co/, a lot of talented and idler drawfags there.

>>990618
>a number of people complained it was too boring with too much black-on-white and not enough color.
These are people who are just scrolling through the PDF and never read the stories.

This is a literature zine, not a comic book. The entire point of this project is to showcase /lit/'s authors. It's not a project to find the coolest pictures on flickr or DeviantArt.

If you want people to focus on the stories and comment on them, for the author's sake, stop making this a visual art showcase. Your graphic designer's clearly suck ass and have no idea what they're doing. Just give up and put TEXT that people can READ.

why is this thing 60mb?

captcha: in shipwrecks

>>990647
If you want to volunteer help, we'd be grateful.

Typically, the anons who contact us are reasonably talented, but are extremely unreliable and disappear after the first e-mail correspondence

motivation is the chief issue

>>990658
>no_fun_allowed.jpg

I know what you're getting at, but in all fairness the zine can't see into the future. We're working with an unpredictable audience full of people who all demand something and concede absolutely nothing. We appreciate the feedback, but honestly.

>>990661
Because they stuffed it with idiotic imagery and flickr pictures.

so no one read my piece just because of a background? Weaksauce, men.

captcha:
Euripides be

[tier list needed]

>>990708
This image is amazing. I love you. Just for that, I'll read your piece.

Title?

>>990683
>The Zine can't see into the future.
Can it see into its own threads? The criticism has always been: you guys suck at formatting, give us something we can read. The feedback has never been: please put lots of pictures that make the words impossible to see, then increase the download size as much as you can.

>We're working with an unpredictable audience.
Every Zine release has been greeted with the same criticism. Somehow you always manage to ignore the criticism that appears most often. You take the suggestions given in one random post that says something completely unrelated to the actual text in your zine: use custom pages for each poem! Add interesting pictures behind the text! Double space paragraphs so it looks like a high-school essay!

>>990708
sorryy, but im not dling a 60 mb thing on a shoddy connection

>>990708
The Pornographer

image also related

>>990721
Reading. Feedback onc- HOLY SHIT YOU'RE ON THE COVER.

>>990725
I look forward to your feedback, thanks

Looking forward to reviews when they come out.

Also looking forward to feedback. Reading everything now.

Do read my poem. I have plenty more if anyone would like.

here's a basic rundown of text formatting for you guys, and anyone else who needs the info:

- as a general rule, lines should be 10-15 words long. that's why magazines usually split text up into two or more columns. open up any professionally printed book or magazine and i guarantee that you won't find many lines with more than 20 words on them.
- pump up your line spacing (leading). i usually use 50-75% line-spacing, depending on the font. that means that for a block of text in 12pt, you have 18pt line spacing. it makes things much, much easier to read.
- justify, justify, justify. and NO HYPENS. (this is just a box you can uncheck in Illustrator and Photoshop, don't know about InDesign but it's probably the same.)
- it's not hard to look super classy using the most basic of typefaces. you really can't go wrong with Helvetica or Futura for sans-serif, Georgia for serif, etc. use italics, letter spacing, indentation, drop caps, etc, (*sparingly*) to class it up.
- don't use too much white space. readers like whitespace and need to see visible breaks in the text but too much is a bad thing.
- design on a grid. always always always. read more: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grid_(page_layout) but if you can't be fucked to figure that out, just use equal spacing everywhere.
- if you must have images, flow them in the text, or as full-page spreads, like you see in magazines. don't use them as backgrounds or any shit like that.

i will mock up a quick example illustrating these points for you.

I will upload a text-only version shortly.

>>990827
Done.

There is a plain-text only version of the latest issue that is all of 3 MB. All background images have been removed. Every single one of them.

You can also find it here:
http://zwg.wildwestwaffles.com/ZWG_-_Issue.7.pt.pdf

>>990839
oh thank god

>>990839
Sigh...you use serif fonts for titles and headers and sans-serif fonts for body text...

Thanks, this is better though. A thousand times easier to read. Paragraph spacing is still too large and a few stories aren't justified, but this is a much better starting point. Next time, publish something like this just more polished. There's no need for all the other crap.

>>990846
I would like to point out, in my own defense, that there are two, just TWO of us doing the entire publication compilation. We have a number of editors doing line-editing and proofreading, which is absolutely critical, but Prole and I are the ones who generally create the final product.

We've worked with various graphic artists and designers who've submitted work, and then for the most part have disappeared and no longer respond to us. We have an IRC channel that we publish (irc.freenode.net, #zwg), we're in there very often, and we have a wiki up.

Neither of us are professionals, this is just a side hobby for us - so please cut us some slack. We've never done this before, and we don't have any professional training, and we both have other jobs. We're doing what we can while we can, but we only have so much to work with.

Every thread, we request anyone with professional experience who'd like to help to do so. Guess how many have taken us up on that offer and stuck around?

>>990854
Every single episode an actual graphic designer of some sort gives suggestions, like "a professional graphic designer" in this thread. There are simple rules and those are laid out every time you guys make a new release. You ignore them and produce something that looks like a 90's Geocities web page instead.

I understand that you aren't a professional, that this is just a hobby, and that there are only two of you. Why spend so much of your time, then, adding graphics everybody hates and fiddling with goofy things like gray backgrounds and formatting gimmicks when you can just pick up a real magazine and use that as a guide?

You only need one page template. Every page can look like that.

>erature digest

go on...

I don't know why but when I click on the link at the end of each story, it takes me to some random story from the 6th edition to criticize. I'm using the text version of the pdf, so I don't know if this is the same for the huge version.

>A Beautiful Body
Writing was riddled with cliches, poor understanding of the actuality of psychological practices. The main character's voice and affect were inconsistent and the supporting characters were troped. It wasn't terrible to read, but it could've definitely benefited from some beta-reading.

>A Nightmare
Writing was disjointed, but not in such a way that supported the nature of the experience of a dream. Some poor paragraph break choices. Opens with a stilted carry-on sentence which doesn't set the stage very well. Internal voice is consistent, but the few lines of dialogue are pretty terrible. Good length for the story it told, but again, beta reading would have been a plus here.

So what how do we check criticism and feedback?

Mrrrrrr

>Bone Canyon Pt. 1
>Maybe you'll float through the ceiling
Why you gotta be stealing from Brand New? I didn't read past that.

>Death on the Rye
The first paragraph of this was AWESOME.
Everything after it was pretty bad, though.First off, Cybergirl? Secondly, there are some parts that are just painful to read. "As dead as Keanu Reeve's acting"? It was hard to understand what exactly was going on in the middle part when they were drowning/floating/I don't fucking know. I liked the character of the Paranoid King, through.

>Jane Pt. 2
I've not read Jane Pt. 1, thus I'm ill-equipped to comment.

>Maxwell's Hammer
Started out promising, ended up boring and unconvincing. The main character seems like a port of every poster on /r9k/.

>On the Boardwalk
This has a strange sort of "Beat" energy to it, like the characters just don't belong and they're so smart and special but so persecuted; however, it doesn't quite pull it off. The main character sounds like he's trying too hard to be intelligent. What stands out most is the juxtaposition of the word "antediluvian" and this: "And there god was a novel."

>>990821

this is a bit sloppily thrown together but here you go. do something like this and you will profit.

(the font i'm using here for the body text is called Cardo, btw. it's a nice, readable serif for text layout and is free to download/use: http://scholarsfonts.net/cardofnt.html))

>>991000
Yes, please this. Do this and I won't hate in every thread of yours, Prole and Nick.

>>990998
Author of Jane here. I definitely wouldn't kick up a fuss if you did read pt. 1.

>>990998
Review my piece, the Pornograhper, if you have the time.

>>991034
ah, shit. Pornographer*

>Red & Black
I'm confused as to how this story is being told in the past tense if he doesn't remember anything.

>Shiva
This one was fantastic. He generally struck a good balance between letting the story carry the theme and letting the theme peek out into dialogue. It gets a bit preachy on day five, but when placed against day six it might just be part of the escalation.

TIER LIST NEEDED

captcha:
Have Blazing

>>991038
I'm going through all of the pieces, so I'll get to yours soon! About two posts from now.

>>991020
If I have time after I finish this issue, I'll dig back and read parts 1 and 2 of Jane. :3

>>991000
That is gorgeous.

>Sunset Marmalade
Lots of stories with girls in sundresses this time around! Must be the summer heat, haha. Short and sweet, not much to nitpick at here. It doesn't take any risks, but then again it doesn't really have to. It is what it is, and it does it relatively well.

>Tea in the Sahara
I think that this story would have benefited greatly from an inversion. Having the story center on the older gentleman and then switching perspectives to the young man. Paralleling something to the past is easy, having the past echoed in the future can take a bit more constructing. Also, the voice of the main character is inconsistent, oscillating between informed and purposefully ignorant.

>The Anguish of Mort, Pt. 2
Again, I've not read the first, so I'll have to backtrack and read it later, I guess.

>The Pornographer
I think you meant "alive or dead" first off, haha. Judging just based off of the first paragraph you have some awkward phrasing that hinders the reader a bit. Some tweaking here and there of the actual syntax would help the ideas come across more clearly. Your progression of ideas is fine, though. You get a bit heavy-handed with the political bits, not surprising due to the universe it's set in; however, it could benefit from being told in interaction rather than just being laid out in the past tense. Some of your syntactical errors imply to me that you're not a native speaker of English? Or you're just making a series of similar mistakes. Again, a beta reader would solve these issues pretty soundly. Your foray into a discussion of hipsters was pretty unnecessary and could've been eliminated entirely without detracting from the story in general. I liked how you ended it, though.

>The Yabo
I liked this story. The action was well described and frenetically paced. The ending was... sudden? An enjoyable read overall.

>Driftwood
Fitting of its title, this story seems entirely untethered. It has a great pace to it, in that it doesn't. Odd, foggy, and a nice read that doesn't drag on too long.

>>991157
Interesting reviews. Are you going to look at poems also?

>>991157
I'd appreciate it if you could do a critique on my poems Icarus and Town Square. The format of the former is off unfortunately, but apparently they're doing a reissue or redo tomorrow, so that may be cleared up.

>Watching
This one had a meandering pace, but the story itself was pretty good. I don't have terribly much to say about it, though. At least I don't have much bad to say about it, haha.

Next is the poetry section, but I'm going to take a little break.

also, a table of contents, just because i'm a sicko and find this shit fun. note the second column can easily be partially or entirely replaced by an image.

Analysing poetry is a bit more difficult than looking at a prose section, haha. Hopefully I do these justice.

>Amerikan Politiks
The diction is lacking, the meter is inconsistent. As free verse it doesn't really stand up to scrutiny. Capitalization seems nonsensical. The metaphor is sound, the execution is not.

>A Parting Conversation
The tone here is pretty nice, very reminiscent of Yates. The third couplet doesn't quite fit the established form of the first two and could be altered to do so rather easily. Also, saying the "crack" of the city instead of the "cracks" of the city kind of reminds me of, like, a buttcrack or something. But that could just be me. Also, line change suggestion:
When can I see football stadiums
turned to lakes with rain?

>>991210
turned to lakes by rain?, rather, haha.

>>991179
I'm unaware of any formatting issues with that poem. Could you please email the changes you'd like to see to us at zinewritersguild@gmail.com? I'll make sure they get done.

>>991218
Check zine e-mail. This was a problem caused by justification

>A Sinner's Company
The section from line 7 to 12 could use a bit of work. I take issue with the word "mentions" as it implies a second party; it could possibly be replaced with "thoughts" or something similar in order to maintain the solitary tone and strengthen the turn later on.

>Blue & Gold
Is this about the Blue Beetle and Booster Gold? I lol'd. I'm not sure of the intent of line 7, I believe you might have meant for it to be "said" rather than "told". Line 11 is really awkward as well, but I have no solid substitutions to offer. In line 12, I'd personally replace "What" with "No", but that's entirely dependent on your intent so feel free to disregard my suggestions, haha.

>>991227
>>991218
Yeah I was talking to one of you by email. You said it was partly left-aligned

>>990998

Writer of Maxwell's Hammer here. I completely agree with the ending. The song itself has no conclusion so I had to fabricate it and by that point ideas had depleted. Note to those who want to adapt songs into full stories, make sure you can cover all bases. I should have you guys know that my next one will be Space Oddity by David Bowie and that has an actual ending.

>Conversation as Art
I really enjoyed this poem. I feel like it has a certain tightness or cohesion of tone that keeps it strong. The repetition of the word "grave" in two subsequent lines was a bit off-putting considering the lack of repetition otherwise.

>Deadeye Dick Dawkins
I LOVED this one! I'm a huge fan of alliteration and this was glorious. You told a great story within a stringent set of limitations.

>>991232

It is indeed about Booster Gold and Blue Beetle! It was submitted on request... I'm not too proud of it overall, to be honest. A lot of the awkwardness comes from the fact that it's built on the template of the poem My Star by Robert Browning, and I couldn't really make a lot of things work. I told someone I'd submit something and got bored with working in the template I'd given myself, so I went ahead and submitted something I'm not too proud of and let it be attributed to anonymous.

>>991249
I'm glad you weren't offended by my evaluation. I look forward to analysing your next work!

>Fearful Dreamers
What a load of bollocks, this sucks. :P

>Funeral of the Sleeper
I love the spacing of images in this. As a short poem, most would focus on one image exclusively, but yours flow naturally into one another. The tempo of your poem is nice as well, and the circular nature of the plot, told in so few lines, is nice (if a bit common). Considering the general presence of punctuation in the rest of the piece, I was expecting a period at the end. Not sure if this was an oversight or intentional.

>>991266

Maybe next time I won't pick a poem by someone whose own wife accused him of using language so sparse it approaches opaqueness. Then I might actually have room to play and make it work a bit more easily!

There might be something in my original idea of a /co/-related poem based on the template of Eugene Onegin, but I think I'm too lazy to actually do that (especially considering that my efforts to learn Russian have, by and large, been capped off by efforts to translate that same work, so by the time I get around to being independently creative, I don't really want to think about Pushkin).

Thanks for the constructive criticism! You're doing a great service here.

>>990441
Shiva was awesome.
Fix your fucking fonts half the time I cant read shit.

>>991261
I think that with a little bit of tweaking it would make a perfectly decent fanpoem. Hopefully you'll submit something to the next zine that you're proud of!

>Girls Girls Girls Girls Girls Girls Girls
Honestly, for a poem about erectile dysfunction I found your way of describing it to be full of, well, impotent passion, haha. A few lines here or there could stand to be rewritten, and the general form is nonsensical; however, overall it gets its point across.

>Icarus
I'll wait to review this one until it has been reformatted. Email is above in case I miss the thread. Actually, if anyone would care to discuss my evaluations of their work, or ask for a beta reader, feel free to email me.

>Insomniotic Catastrophe
This poem says, in a lot of words in a prosaic block, what could be said more briskly in a shorter work, or more eloquently in a longer, better formatted style. The concepts are cool, but the images are sparse, substituted by long descriptions of sensation rather than experience.

Seranadeeladiduhhh and Travelling north-southwest, west-northeast.
Any thoughts or comments on those two poems?

>>991210
Author of "A Parting Conversation" here. Thanks for the critique. I shall take your thoughts into consideration.

>Jurassic Park, the Poem
This was glorious. Optimally it would have been in meter with a consistent syllable count, but I'm totally willing to forgo that in the face of how FANTASTIC IT IS.

>Procrastination
An idea that has been done before, in about the same way. The ending was cute, though.

>Seeking Solace
The images are inconsistent and don't really flow together in a logical fashion. The punctuation is inconsistent in a nonproductive way. The first stanza is far more interesting than the second, which could be lifted from any "inspirational" poem ever written.

>>991252
Author of Deadeye here. It was really something I pulled together because all the Dawkins drama amuses me. I also did the Amerikan Politiks thing, which I take is fail. Well, win some, lose some, eh? :)

>>991329
No prob, keep it up!
>>991309
Lucky for you, Seranadeeladiduhhh is next! I'm going through all of them, so I'll get to your other one soon.

>Seranadeeladiduhhh
This was really good. Your smashing of words in the lazy heat sustained the lazy vibe throughout, almost like the characters are melting together. The turn is executed quite well, and the inversion of tone is excellent.

>She Never Made It To The Emergency Room
I really like this poem, you break form to good effect in the last stanza. Sorry for not having more to say, but it sits together really well and I'd hate to disturb it.

Yay, someone read my poem

oh shi- noticed that this thing can be dled plaintext at 2.56 mb. fuck yeh!

>>991366
Indeed. keep at it! Not to mention, I'm just one reader amongst many, others might have liked Amerikan Politik as much as I liked Dawkins.

>Slatterns and Strumpets
I see what you did there.
And I like it.
Every /r9k/ers dream.

>The Night Gwen Stacy Died
I liked the tone of this one. No big complaints regarding syntax, diction, or punctuation. The images are solid and flow well, and the tone rings through clear, angry, and delusional. I enjoyed the story it told.

>[The Stables, they're Marble]
Hello my name is leftright
and I
am a reviewer
the things I love are
this fucking poem
and you for writing it.

>Town Square, all around
This poem is really long and well written, it would take a bit of writing for me to do it justice. Suffice it to say, my favorite part would be the vivid imagery and everything else bolstered it.

I missed the boat for the last issue - issue 6. That issue, and the several before it, always had a part of an epic poem at the end of it called "Witness to the Dawn". This poem ended last issue but I forgot to ask if anyone read all of it, and if they did, what did they think of it?

>Travelling north-southwest, west-northeast
This was a great note to end on. Your fabricated words and childlike perspective make this very interesting to read, in contrast to the usual "20/50 year old, male, jaded" narrator of most poetry. I got the same feeling reading this as I did when reading e.e. cummings, there's a great sense of whimsy being encroached upon.

I hope everyone enjoyed my reviews/analyses/I don't know whats. If anyone has anything to say about my poem Fearful Dreamers, I'd be happy to hear it!

I've attached my email again in case people want to discuss my analyses, ask for a quick beta-read, or tell me how terrible my poem is.

I love you, /lit/. I'm glad you're keeping this zine alive!

Can you get people to check the grammar in the stories?
Misplaced commas/semicolons and homophone mistakes make a surprising amount of difference in how much I enjoy a story, and I'm sure I'm not the only person who dislikes seeing commas fall outside of quotation marks multiple times.

>>991426
this man deserves a medal

>>991426
I'll call upon you to give Space Oddity a read, if that's alright with you.

yes, thanks for keeping the zine alive, everyone! This is culture in the making. This zine is more important than not important, which is probably more important than most of us think!

I feel awesome to be a small part of this.

>>991448
Link?
>>991443
Aw, thanks, haha.
>>991426
I, in fact, forgot to attach my email. I have remedied this.

Stuff like this.
Just a once-over readthrough fixing blatant errors, awkward sentences, and retarded dialogue would help the writing greatly.

>>991453
It's still being written =P

>>991461

"I want to come see you soon," is awkward?

>>991462
Oh! I'd be happy to give it a once over.

>>991468
I cannot imagine those lines coming up in a real conversation.

>>991461
'he himself' is proper, you philistine.

>>991470
I'll keep your email saved and I'll send it to you when it's done.

>>991472
>>991468
It's awkward because in actual conversation one would omit the unnecessary verb "come" and simply say, "I want to see you soon/I would like to see you soon".

>>991473
It's grammatically correct, but it's also completely unnecessary, and in context is just annoying to read.

>>991476
Okie dokies.

Anyways, time for me to go. Bye, /lit/!

>>991483
No, you're just a homo

>>991493
Cool story, bro.

...to Ceres where he had been supervising port expansion.

>>991493
Shit just got REAL.

Captcha: During Sunshine

>>991490
Wait! I wanted to here your bit on Town Square...

>>991531
I posted about it here
>>991413

Wow, I really don't know what to say other than I am entirely pleased that I was allowed once again to be a part of this zine in some little way. I really hope that I entertained some of you with my pieces and after seeing some of the feedback, it's clear that there's a lot of room for improvement. That being said, I'd like to offer my help as more than just an author. School's going to be starting up soon, but I would be able to make time to look over poetry submissions and give critiques and comments.

That being said, good job everyone!

Also, excuse my mask. A lot of people have gotten tired of my face and I decided to hide it for a little while.

>>991835

This is me, if anyone is curious.

>>991685

Hey buddy, it's H.Vdarski. (driftwood) Thanks for the feedback, man! You're a pretty dedicated dude. :3

>>991122

Author of The Anguish of Mort here, I hope you'll read part one before part two. I would really appreciate the feedback.

ANd to the editors: Thanks for crediting the proper pen-name this time around. Though I find it odd that the introduction of my tale was featured on the cover of the last issue, but the conclusion of the same tale was strangely absent from this one.

Wrong credit to A Sinner's Company. Just FYI.

>>991232
"Mentions" was supposed to imply that the speaker was a passive figure to her situation, but I guess I couldn't get that through. Crap.

Line 7-12 was supposed to hint at the speaker's background. That said, I've never liked how that section flows either.

Thank you for your criticism. I'm kind of new to this and I was afraid that no one would bother.

Have you guys considered a more online friendly version of the mag? As a .pdf it's a bit of a pain in the ass.

>>991921
Isn't there a text-only version?

>>991921
We're working on a digital archive of the zines so you can read 'em online.

Captcha: It's Toxemia

>>991864
No prob, man. I was glad to do it.
>>991917
Glad to have been of service. This was my first time submitting as well!
>>991881
I'll most certainly do so, but probably not tonight.

>American Politiks
Here's what I don't like, to get it out of the way:
You have very trite rhymes. They're unoriginal and uninspired. Any reader can tell you just put them in there because they rhymed. They don't contribute to the flow. The language you use, Politic with a k, communiste, etc. does nothing for the poem itself. The point is sophomoric and doesn't establish anything.
What I do like: You are establishing rhythm at points, which works with the diction and the line fragments throughout. You're at least playing with the language, it's not cut and dry, but I had to read it a few times to appreciate that. I'm hoping the capitalization of certain words actually means something.

>A Parting Conversation
What I don't like: The imagery should be the main strength of this poem and it falls flat. A crack in the city? A tree growing? Filled with rain like a lake? Make your images evocative.The ending is almost a good example, but falls flat because it doesn't say much for an ending. The NFL reference is a little absurd and far too narrow in scope. All I got from this poem was a misanthropic view of nature worship.

>A Sinner's Company
This isn't bad. It's a neat little story, and despite some typos and the language not really being placed right, it was mostly done well. I'd suggest changing it around so that older words like "yesteryears" and "whence" come within the part about Hamlet. You're not paying attention to your expressions, which just makes it disjointed to read, swapping out modern and archaic diction over and over. Think about arranging an order to the way you use the words, to convey some of your meaning.

>Blue & Gold
The punctuation just seems odd, I tried reading this aloud a couple times and still don't understand why it's like that. I have a hard time taking this seriously because it doesn't seem like the author did. I don't have much to say beyond that.

>Conversation as Art

I knew silence / she was a connoisseur / in little boys with big
eyes / and bigger dreams
Is really good and the high point of this poem. This is something many of us can relate to, it says something about you, her, and the relationship, and it's also simply stated but with a clear appeal to both imagery and metaphor.
The rest of it seems overly cryptic. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's poetry, but still, leave out some of the inside points of the relationship and try to bring out a little bit more essence like those lines I mentioned. The entire first stanza made no sense whatsoever, and the words themselves were boring. People sometimes make the complaint that poems shouldn't be analyzed like that but name me a poet whose works are not deciphered.
This was, overall, an interesting poem though.

>Deadeye Dick Dawkins
Alliteration was very nicely done. It lacks just about everything else a poem could want, though.

>Fearful Dreamers
I smell Beatnik. Interesting use of language at times, some good metaphor, but mostly dull for how long it goes on and what adds to that is that it just seems way too complex without ever divulging a strong thought. It comes off as mostly whining about conformity. The last line is just a terrible way to end it.

JUSTIFY

YOUR

TEXT

>Funeral of the sleeper
Don't get it don't get it don't get it don't get it don't get it...
Why submit poetry if you mean to communicate nothing and add nothing to a sense of pleasure in wordplay? This is nothing filled with nothing, separated by meaningless breaks in script that signify nothing.
If anyone thinks I was harsh to them, remember this criticism. It's not a critique, it's a criticism. Most of you are trying to make it in some way enjoyable for a reader.

>Girls Girls Girls Girls Girls Girls Girls
You have a boring idea but you express it well in tiny bursts throughout. Get more creative. Fuck around with this more. Turn it into something funny, or more bizarre, or really let loose with what it is that's going on in your head. As it is it's very, very tame, and your use of profanity and sexual imagery only heightens that, it doesn't add to it. We all knows thighs are sexy. We know what it feels like to want to fuck. Dig into it.

>Icarus
I liked this poem. Honestly. It was pretty good to read. The ending line made me laugh, especially contrasted with the flight of Icarus. I like how you did that. As far as I can tell it's about connections between people, a sort of reverie (and a little bit of memoir?) on the nature of differences and similarities in perspectives? But then I might be completely off.

>>992189
Poetry Review
Amerikan Politics: Weak rhymes including identity-rhymes "void" and "void". Poet needs more work in strict rhythmic form works.

A Parting Conversation: Good imagery. There's a double movement from nature towards personality (grass to pedos, stadiums to helmet beast). Too much questioning. Perhaps instead, "I am perverted and lewd."

A Sinners' Company: Good. Too weak for publishing. You're getting closer to publishable standard. I'd like to see more of your work.

>>992215
Poetry Review
Blue & Gold: Stumble line "Then he stops, my friend Beetle; Maxwell, his foe:" Needs reworking. The short lines don't gain any benefit from being lines split in two.

Conversation As Art: "grave" / "grave"? Really? New tights and crying is a rape image. Take the last stanza and rewrite as a poem about rape in marriage.

Deadeye Dick Dawkins: Obviously a sketch, I'm proud of you for keeping it up. (You get a freebie on the last line). Do the whole alphabet for us.

Fearful Dreamers: Well zWg does accept all submissions.

>>992224
Poetry Review:
Funeral of the sleeper: There's some good language here (Th tch th in line two). Rework in stricter form.

Girls Girls Girls Girls Girls Girls Girls: Stricter line form and rhythm. Try a sonnet.

Icarus: Oh fuck no. go ee cum in your pants elsewhere.

Insomniotic Catastrophe: If you can't evoke the universal without using -ty (uncertanty, disconformity) then rethinking evoking universals.

General critique: WRITE STRICT FORM WORKS. Prose form poems rely on the interlinear generation of sounds and rhythms that are learnt by doing strict form works.

>>992233
Poetry Review:
Jurassic Park: The Poem: OH YEAH! If you're going to cunt it up, go out in style. EPIC MODE FOR THE CURRENT ERA. Across the wine dark sea the Greeks sailed. I honestly preferred this text to rewatching the film. If you're going to go retard: go full retard. +1 would read again.

Procrastination: We don't really have a need to fill space in the school magazine here... oh wait... we do. UNDERAGE BANS ALL ROUND. RE WORK IN STRICT FORM.

>Insomniotic Catastrophe
Your poem is a great cure for insomnia. Boring, stuffy word choice, self-indulgent verbose prose pretending to be poetic.

>Jurassic Park: The Poem
It's a joke. I hope.

>Procrastination
Har har. Gets the point across, I guess.

>Seeking Solace
A quiet memory expressed as a quiet memory. I don't like it a lot, but don't see much to dislike. It's just a little too maudlin for me.

>Seranadeeladiduhhh
It's interesting, I'll give the author that. A lot of the word mash-ups don't make sense but add a little to the tone of the thing. The difference in moods between beginning and end is good, but it's not done really well. Certain words stick out like a sore thumb in both parts, "dual" too formal, "a beast of burden" too informal, things like that. Alliteration is a little overdone too. The ending should be more bleak with the language to convey the total shift in mood. Not bad at all though, the way you mess with the words is interesting.

>She Never Made It To The Emergency Room
Terrible, terrible rhymes. A stupid story that takes all the horror or sadness from the subject. It's a mosquito sucking on a corpse; just give up and move on.

>>992233
Poetry Review:
Seeking Solace: You evoke the piano nicely in the first stanza. You don't do much with this though.

Seranadeeladiduhhh: Go read William S. Burroughs and get back to me. You're not erotic here, you're just confused.

She Never Made It To The Emergency Room: This is the reason, children, why we avoid rhyming forms in English. Study it for why. Except it even fails to keep strict rhyming form (half rhyme on first line of stanza 2, final stanza). Also a good pointer on this line length being too short for English (in general).

SLATTERNS AND STRUMPETS: Bitches and whores? "enthusiasm." too long a word for this poem, look at your other word lengths and complexities. Different and Charisma also stick out like sore thumbs. Charming possibly too. Try "fly" instead. Rework into repeating forms and it'd be submittable else where. You capture a male moment rather well. Shame about the form work. "Today I reek of after shave" (broken words, keep the word length down, its an animal poem).
one even invites me to try my luck/
I pursue her clearly she wants to fuck
10 beat lines. WHY CHOP THEM SHORTER?

>Slatterns and Strumpets
Meh. Punctuation and line breaks make no sense, a common theme in a lot of these poems. It's just dull.

>The Night Gwen Stacy Died
This has a lot of promise. The all-caps thing is really annoying, but I guess it sort of makes sense with the bitter "Ha!" tone of it all. Not sure what to say there. You have a way with words at points, just like you did with the other poem. Work on the rhyming, it has a good effect at the end, but the couple of times you use it during the rest of the poem it's kind of distracting in a "oh look a cliche" way.

>The Stables, They're Marble
I loved this poem when I saw it here, still love it. It's great to read just for how silly it is.

>>992233
Poetry Review:
The Night Gwen Stacy Died: MY LOVE IS LIKE A TRUCK BEZERKER! DO YOU WANT TO MAKE FUCK BEZERKER! BEZERKER! I think that Elton John did a poem about a dead whore. He didn't shout it from the roof top like some kind of albino shouting ape.

[The Stables, they’re Marble]: This is how you do chopped prose form poetry. I can feel the deranged horse that is Washington. It has the feeling of deranged drunken smses from 14 year old girls. It has the feeling of name-badge literary expression. +1

Town Square, all round: Nice try at evoking imagery. Needs stricter form. Incitatus works, this doesn't.

Travelling north-southwest, west-northeast: I like writing short stories too. I don't press enter at random and call it poetry. Try writing the same mode in paragraphs and submitting as prose.

>>992254
>Seranadeeladiduhhh
Wait, what? Erotic? I don't see that at all from reading it.

You should definitely read 'A Dance With Dragons.'
You'll understand why everynoe loves Martin - it really is am asterpiece.

>>992268
Poetry Review summary:
MUST READ POEM: [The Stables, they’re Marble]
I second much of the other poetry reviewer.

Generally:
rhymes do not work in English for a reason, we lost our final vowels and rhyming latinate or technical endings (anti-disestablishmentarianism rhymes with Arianism! Quick! Use it!) is just as bad as forcing rhymes elsewhere.

Stricter forms.

Also many people need to learn the natural length of the lines they're writing in terms of beats. If you're dropping beats in a line it should be because of a natural empty beat.

>>992275
Somnambubble boy is rocked to baby bashful bliss,
a romance of rambling unconscious in her shouldersling,
in and out through and within to out again.
Saying yes to their shared slow slumps as the motor moves us all, I watch:
sweet little sleepygirl lifts her head and kisses the skinny neck and
he wipes his nose on his wristsleeve.

>>991000
HOLY SHIT, IT IS WHAT I'VE BEEN SUGGESTING FOR MONTHS NOW

>>992286
Wow. Didn't even see it like that, noticing those lines that way. You're right though, and man does that fuck up the way I was looking at that poem. I just thought the guy meant it like a critique of romanticism.

>>991122
> it could benefit from being told in interaction rather than just being laid out in the past tense

The point of the story was that he was so casually dismissive of the entire thing. I think there would have been more emotion in dialogue, but I definitely will consider it, thanks.

>you're not a native speaker of English?

No I am, but I intentionally like to mess around with structure because I'm trilingual. English is such a pliable language that it's not fun to "play by the rules" when you can have a sentence written in a Swedish or Portuguese syntax with it still making sense. Maybe I'm trying too hard to pull a Joseph Conrad.

>the foray into hipsters was not needed

I just wanted to make some people on /mu/ and /lit/ get a little introspective, but point taken.

>I liked the ending

Thanks!

Can someone give me a synopsis of Shiva?

I'd only read it if it sounded interesting on account of it being so long.

>>992386
It's amazing. That's all that can be said.

Joesph K confirmed for king of lit.

[tier list needed]

captcha: brag anonymous

>>992396
>>992634

Sup Joesph

Just one suggestion ZWG guys. Cany you please also make a version available in plain text? 60mb is overkill for something like that.

captcha: Luftwaffe Encarta?!!

>>992671
http://zwg.wildwestwaffles.com/ZWG_-_Issue.7.pt.pdf

Next time have a legitimate complaint and at least look around.

>>992676
it's a mistake that took a LONG time to correct. please be more humble and accept criticism. your readers have no obligation whatsoever to read the entire fucking thread before posting comments.

>>992686
>>992686
>Implying I have any association with the zine. You fucking dipshit.

apart from Shiva, any recs for the fiction section?
There's quite a bit and they look like they havevarying quality.
Any suggestions? Plox and kthanx

>>992699
Then why the fuck are you defending it?

>>992701
HERP DERP Because the lite version is now up and he was implying it wasn't.

TIER LIST TIER LIST TIER LIST

>>992707
SHIT TIER: YOU

now fuck off

>>992703
he obviously didn't read the fucking 160 posts long thread.

>>992711
I didn't see that one in the table of contents
what page is it on?

>>992713

This. And besides that I'm asking for plain text version, not pdf. There is something about pdf format that gives me creeps.

Author of "Red and Black" here.

I wtf'd when I saw my name in the Zine, actually. I sent that in along with an inquiry regarding the publication date for issue 7 -- just to make sure I had time to finish it, and if it was along the lines of something the Zine would publish anyway. I did not mean to unleash this piece of crap on the /lit/ community just yet; I am aware that it blows. Now that I know ZWG will publish pretty much anything, I can continue with where I'd originally planned to go with the story or begin on something else.

Additional comments: Pretty fair issue from what I've read so far. The writing gets a little better every time.
I need not comment on the layout at this point, so that's all I have to say.

picture unrelated

>>992876
Woops, forgot my picture.

>>992878
>>992876
In all honesty, you never actually said "do not air this in the zine'. You asked if it was up to snuff, and I indicated it was by replying THAT WE INTENDED TO PUBLISH IT IN ISSUE 7. We never recieved a response, so we published it

>>992916
It's cool. I'm grateful you accepted it and all, I mostly just feel sorry for people having to read it. :P

my name is table salt, i'm glad to be a part of this magazine-john you kids have going here.

>>993589
>>993589
>>993589
>>993589
>>993589


you're a popular guy.

>>992916
Good job posting the guy's full name on the internet.

AH SHIT, POSTING FULL NAME ON THE INTERNET. BETTER GET FACEBOOK AND EVERY OTHER SOCIAL NETWORKING SITE CLOSED DOWN!

>>993959
He signed it "Anonymously yours" so he probably didn't want his name to be associated with the Zine.

You're an idiot.

>>993975 is directed at >>993959

I read some of it, it was okay. Actually, really okay. Pretty fucking okay.

The formatting needs improvement, though. Don't make it all fagged-up. Just black text on a white background is good. The table of contents is an absolute clusterfuck; did anybody even look at it? The stretched out art in the background is a fucking joke. A fucking joke. I refuse to believe that somebody looked at that and said, "That is fit to print."

Maybe I'm getting trolled.

well no one liked mine

oh well, keep writing

Tier list needed.
Anyone who's read the fiction or poetry section, SOMETHING would be appreciated.

in return, I will give you doubles guy

>>994599
double doubles GET

Someone get this man A TIER LIST.

>>994599

why do you need a tier list? To validate yourself or your writing because you're not supposed to really care about how popular your stories are meant to be. The comments people give back here are much more useful than a tier list as they give constructive criticisms

>>994604
>implying that that faggot wrote and just wants to know which of these stories are the least shitty of the shit.

Don't worry doublin, they all suck.

>>994599
SRS lack of GET in here

>>992207
>>992207
>>992207


i am the author of girls girls girls girls girls, and i have to say that its definitely now about erectile dysfunction, although i can see where you're coming from with that analysis. its simply about my inability to converse with women for the past three years, my boner works fine! =]

>>994602

IN THE ZINE TIER:
Submitted works

NOT IN THE ZINE TIER:
Unsubmitted works

I AM ONE OF THE AUTHORS.

seriously, there's a good amount of poor writing and a small amount of quality writing. i must give props to some of the poems especially... as seen in this thread.

but what the fuck, ZWG staff? that extended, low res fire shit in the background of half the zine ruins my day... who gave you the right? why do you stop using individual images for poetry anyway? the first two backgrounds of the issue had me excited... antiquity, gorgeous- and then we get that? come now, come now.

HELLO MY NAME IS ANONYMOUS
AND I
AM A GUY ON THESE BOARDS
THINGS I LOVE
ARE
POSTING ABOUT BOOKS AND READING
FUN POEMS ABOUT
HORSES

>>992254
>>992275
>>992286
>>992311

You completely misunderstood that part of the poem. It's about their heavy, belabored breathing. Because of the heat. They were tired and sweaty.

To the zine guy, stop putting transparent text over pictures. It makes your text hard to read, obviously, but also it doesn't always add what you think it may add in the looks department. If you want to use pictures, justify text around them and it looks fine, but putting text over a background that isn't monocolor usually fucks up the text. Not trying to assault you, just giving criticism as a guy who is reading your zine and thinks the image as a background thing detracts from the zine's quality.

>>994669
not capsguy?

>>994661
see
>>990839

ko OP i waud liek to submt sto"_:

one upon the time thier was a woman who was rape:) and it was her dad who was the rapis: so tha dad was mean and said daught i am goig to rape you do you want a condom:_ and she say no so the dad rape her without a condmo and it hurt the chooch and she cry"_ and thien becuase she wasnt condom she got a baby and it had down syndme because it was her brother and son too do you think it it fair to the baby"_ no so wear a condom and your son wont be retard:)

you have to wear condoms becuase if you are rape you dont want to be a baby mama"_ also you can get some slut diseased like gonroeha and sylphis and it can make you itch and uncomfort") also if you are young you shouldnt have a baby it it not nice to the infant so wear the condom to protect you:) also it feel good to your choochy if you dont have baby becuase if you get prenangt the baby can crawl in the cooch and it will stretch it and hurt a bitch:) and also it prevent many slut disease like aids and hermes:) that is that seven:)

ok hello everone"_ it it bad to get preangnt because you will get stretch mark:) and thien it will take a long moneys to buy cocoa butter because it it not attraction to men if you have stretch mark it look like varicose vein:) also if you have a sexual transmission diseased it will transmission to the baby and it will die:) do you want to be a baby killer no so you should wear the condom"_ also if thier is a birthdy part and if you dont have a balooon you can blow the codomn and it will be a fun baloon for your child:) but dont have a child with condom so then thier:

>>994685
copypasta

ICARUS is my favorite poem, asides from my own. the beginning is fucking super, but i feel it winds down towards the end and becomes lacking in luster which it promised by the intro... spice that shit up a bit. regardless, it is charm.

prior-east coast midnight BUMPUUUU~~~~~~~~~

>>994604
i only see like one person posting comments about the works. everyone else is lucky to get one or two stray comments.

no one uses the forums to give constructive criticism and 80% of the posts in this thread are bitching about the format.

i feel sorry for the authors.

>>994855
Yep, that's the editors fault. If they had done as people have been asking since the first release, people could read and critique these stories. Instead the editors spent all their time searching for Super Cool Backgrounds to Make Things Artsy, completely forgetting the point of the project.

>>994884

the unfortunate part is they picked those images from countless others.

>>994884
I'm sorry it really hasn't worked out. Based on the reactions, it's pretty clear we won't be doing it that way again.

I would like to point out that at the website listed in my original first post, there is a link to the full version and the plain-text only version, which removes just about all of the artwork.

In the future, we will be less liberal with artwork. What we would really like is for some graphic artists to actually handcraft some stories with artwork that we can put in to make it look good. We had some good examples of this in Issues 5 and 6.

Unfortunately, all of our graphic designers who did this before have left and no longer help us out. And neither Prole nor I are graphic artists, and neither of us are particularly good at Photoshop. So a little assistance would be welcome, and our letters from the editors constantly reflect that we'd like more graphical assistance.

>>994710
>asides from my own.
>not NaCl, the only better poem in the zine.

Which one did you write? I'm curious now. Icarus is definitely one that somebody has to like the style to enjoy, (as the one reviewer proved; he had great critiques for everyone, except his comment for Icarus? A completely unfounded comparison to E. E. Cummings, which the work in no way resembled) but if you enjoy that style, it was good. Incitatus was good. The rest are mostly shit, and I say that as one of the submitters myself. So I'm wondering what your fabulous work was.

>also it feel good to your choochy if you dont have baby becuase if you get prenangt the baby can crawl in the cooch and it will stretch it and hurt a bitch:) and also it prevent many slut disease like aids and hermes:) that is that seven:)

>>994959
Stop with the damn artwork all together. Try and get your next release right without shoving it full of crap to make it look like something produced by 8th graders. Follow "a professional graphic designer"'s advice and mockups. Don't do anything else. Don't use Photoshop. If people like it, great! You've succeeded! If people demand more artwork (which they won't), at least you have a good template for the text only version.

Your obsession with full backgrounds and cheap Photoshop tricks is making it impossible for anyone to discuss the writing. Get just ONE release right. Please. Once you've done that, and proved you aren't entirely incompetent, you can work on destroying the goodwill it's bought you in subsequent issues.

>>995009
>>995009
>>995009
>>995009
>>995009
and when you're done, release a copy where all of the most appreciated works come together in a single issue which is not ridiculously worked in terms of art! give them credit.

>>995034

So basically "The Josef K. Issue with special guest Darrin."

>>995009
Why dont they just have the artwork mixed in with the stories, not as a background but just as something nice to look at.

>>995046
Because this is beyond their competence level. They should prove they can put text on a page without messing it up first.

That said, the mockups in this thread have examples of drop-in graphics. Somehow it won't work out, though. The Zine editors are special like that.

>>995041

>>995041

look at you, standing dauntless before the number of competent poets who deserve reams and reams of this unfortunate magazines' layout, unflinching in the realization that you failed to cite them in your witty, quick response. look at you.

>Author of Sunset Marmalade
>Main critique: awkward sentences
>Accidentally trollan /lit/ with commas outside dialogue
>My face

bump, im drubnk


markable permable

im italien and the stables, theyre marble is the funniest thing since sliced bred

>>994961
>>994961
>>994961
>>994961


and then you were clueless.

>>995041
Isn't every issue the "Josef K. issue"?

TIER LIST INCOMING:

Fiction:

>God Tier:
Shiva (Obviously, the man writes like a God. No, seriously, why is he still writing on 4chan and not for the zines that actually pay). Novel quality writing, and a story so good that I wanted to weep.

>Very High Tier (AKA not Joesph K tier)

-On the Boardwalk
(I'm pretty much recycling what LeftRight said here about it having that "Beat" energy, and for that it porved to be a fun read. It wasn't as forcefully terse as Kerouac, and had some of the playful emotion and word choice like Ginsberg. A really nice story, bro)

-The Pornographer
(I really loved the wording of this story, its pacing, and how R. Silva seemed to play around with the reliability of the narrator. Also, DAT ENDING -- Almost novel quality writing throughout, with only a couple of kinks. Gimme some jizzum. Some class A satire)

-Tea in the Sahara
(I thought this was a really good piece overall. Not much more I can elaborate other than it had interesting characters that I could immediately invest my time into and an intiguing plot.)

Good Tier
-Driftwood
-The Yabo
-Watching
-Maxwell's Hammer
-Sunset Marmalade

All of these were enjoyable reads. The handling of the narrative was done well, but it was just missing thast special something, really. Maybe a little more in terms of description? A stronger character, I dunno. But all the first three were VERY close to the Very Good Tier and Maxwell's Hammer needs to iron out a few comp errors. Sunset Marmalade missed the Very Good tier because it didn't immediately jump out me -- there was not an especially good hook, so to speak, which is fine, too.

Meh Tier

A Beautiful Body
A Nightmare
Bone Canyon Pt. 1
Death on the Rye

All of these had some major kinks in narration, especially A Beautiful Body. There were some pretty decent characters introduced in all of these stories, but a weak narrator and confusing sequences of events made them somewhat bad in the end. Also, I suggest a reading of "The Elements of Style" to correct some composition errors, which will make the stories easier to read.

If someone wants to direct me where I can read Jane Part 1 and the Anguish of Mort Part 1, I'd appreciate it, because I'm not really sure how to tier them at this point.

I may have missed some so please point them out.

What is the psychology behind poeple's obsession with tier lists?

>>996265
men like charts and ratings. sport fans live by that creed.

>>996265
so people can know (rather foolishly) what is quality work and what isn't.

People need someone else to think/read for them. Welcome to the West.

>>996265
nowadays we get so much information we need someone to filter it for us

>>996260
You gonna make a poetry tier list?

>>990550
It's a mix it seems. I think he had a blogspot or some shit.

>>994672
>You completely misunderstood that part of the poem.

THE AUTHOR IS DEAD. THEY WERE FUCKING.

bamo

Went to go read Shiva after all the hooplah

COULD NOT READ THANKS TO NOISY ORANGE BACKGROUND BEHIND THE TEXT.

What gives.

Trying text only version, but already scoffing.

>>996673
I should never have e-mailed direct links to issue 7 of the zine, I had a feeling something like this was going to happen.

>>996260
in agreement with the review of Shiva, an amazing piece. I had initially wished to purchase a set of seven sketch illustrations (one per chapter) from a local artist for this one, but the whole thing fell through in the end)

Funny (or not so funny) thing about Tea in the Sahara is that it was submitted for ISSUE 1 of the zine. Somehow fell through the cracks and ended up getting unused up until now. The author had initially thought we had rejected it. He claimed to have written it in about 10 minutes, which is pretty amazing considering the quality of the writing.


>>996265
Combination of anons not willing to just read the damn thing, and authors wanting a rating.

>>996261
http://zwg.wildwestwaffles.com/ZWG_-_Issue.6.pdf

Jane pt1 and Anguish of Mort pt1 are both in Issue 6.

>>996260
I thought the Zine didn't accept stories about porn.

>>997346
Trolling because you obviously didn't read it. It has very little to do with pornography

But at any rate, we are indeed willing to accept material with sexual content. However, what we do not accept is blatant racism and hate writing of any sort.

>>996840
>>996673
aight. someone synopsize Shiva. What's this shit all about?

>>995041

I'm always overwhelmed when I'm mentioned. Though I'm a fan of Josef K.'s writing, I suppose I can't let him have free reign here ;)

Now all I need is a topic to write about...

>>992246
>>992239
>>991345
Thanks for reading my Jurassic Park poem guys. I got into poetry when my friends started an open mic night at our local pub. They needed acts and so for a laugh I started doing poem. So this is part joke part serious.

>>998181
Fucking read it for yourself. Seriously.

>>990939
Author of Bone Canyon here.
What the fuck are you talking about.

>>997359
>read Pornographer
>blatant racism and cp mentions everywhere

lolokay.

captcha:
Accordingly, nastiest

>>998757
3/10 for greentext

You people do realize that none of the embedded links to give feedback actually go to where they are supposed to point?

There's scant feedback to th authors in this thread, and with none of those links working, I assume there will be no feedback on those forums.

Fuck me...

I think this site just takes one word from your entier thing and gives you a result on that.

Go write something. Anything. Now replace one word with God. You'll get Dan Brown. Go, seriously, try it.

President's Choice

>>997359
What do you define as hate writing anyway?

I mean, practically anything could constitute

>>999490
goddamn, you're right about that. No clue why that happened.

At any rate, I think the forum idea has been proven sufficently worthless. We're gonna need to find another solution

Also, Check the new distribution link:
http://www.scribd.com/zinewritersguild

We're going to start promoting the zine on some locations outside of /lit/ in addition to the usual. Don't get paranoid on me kids, this is a 4chan project and always will be a 4chan project.

>>999490
goddamn, you're right about that. No clue why that happened.

At any rate, I think the forum idea has been proven sufficently worthless. We're gonna need to find another solution

Also, Check the new distribution link:
http://www.scribd.com/zinewritersguild

We're going to start promoting the zine on some locations outside of /lit/ in addition to the usual. Don't get paranoid on me kids, this is a 4chan project and always will be a 4chan project.

>>999527
2+2=5

This thread isn't about to die because of spammers on my watch

fuck the .hta

second bump to ward off the spam

You guys looking for a graphic designer?

>>1000291
always

are you offering us that service?

>>1000294
Just testing the waters. Will have to wait till I settle into college first.

>>1000329
Well, please e-mail us once you've settled in:

zinewritersguild@gmail.com

We need one. Badly

>>1000340
Judging from the OMG FLAMES, I figured that you might.

Will do.

Sooooo.
If I want to write for ZWG, what must I do?

>>998350
>So this is part joke part serious.

You need to work to STRICT FORM MORE if you're going to continue doing Greek epics of recent movies. I suggest you do Oceans 11, 12, 13 style based on the Illiad.

>>1000366
1.write a short story/poem
2.send it to us at zinewritersguild@gmail.com
3.we'll get back to you with some feedback/tell 4.you if it will be published
5.we publish it
???
6.You rage later over some mistake we make

No racism, or hate literature. Fanfiction is not tolerated

>>1000366
JUSTIFY
YOUR
TEXT

>>1000380
What's the editorial process for ZWG like?

>>1000390
They print 99.9% of the shit submitted to them.

They also go through a serious editorial review and debate session before deliberately introducing typos, misformatting white space, and pressing "Flush Left" in MS Word.

>>1000380
WHY NO RACISM? PLENTY OF RACISM IN MANY PUBLISHED NOVELS.

>>1000390
pretty simple really.

one of four editors will look over your writing, check for typos and grammer errors, and then get back to you. Sometimes we'll do a line-edit and point out things that don't work, but we're trying to encourage submissions rather than scare them off.

So in summary, not very rigerous. You'll get some feedback

>>1000398
Why isn't called Trollface Literary Review, then?

>>1000405
Racism with purpose to the plot is acceptable.
Racism for gratuitous reason is not. Common sense.

inb4 anon goes batshit and takes it out of context to say we'd reject famous novel "X"

>>1000408
>>1000408
>>1000408
>>1000408
>>1000408
> rigerous
Okay it seems you guys are in the market for sub editors, eh?

>>1000389

Every submission I ever made to ZWG was with justified text. They defaulted it to "Left" when they put it in their issues.

But I understand that whole issue has FINALLY be solved.

>>1000419
It looks to me like they've finally discovered the final solution.

[malignity As]

>>1000417
Don't start that shit again. Issue 7 had good writing, and I don't see many people complaining about typos

>>1000409
oh you

>>1000419
Is it rage time already?

R.M. Silva is a faggot.

Also, awwww shit, Issue 5 has the Petronas Twin Towers on the cover.

I live in Kuala Lumpur. 'Gon subscribe to it.

>>1000429

I'm not mad, merely vigilant.

>Dude's sucking Josef K's dick.
>Check it out.
>Can't make it past the first paragraph.
>mf

>>1000450
see
http://zwg.wildwestwaffles.com/ZWG_-_Issue.7.pt.pdf

>>1000380
mfw when no fanfiction allowed.

>>1000438

>>1000000

Just checking. And bumping.

>>1000450
writing quality or crazy backgrounds?
I secretly want it to be bad because people fellate it so much.

bumpuuu

>come caulks

>>1002567
Wat?
>>1001116
Tough shit, it's really good. Deal with it.

>>1000454
Oh thank god. I'm sorry, but background images are ugly and make the file size huge, whoever thought they were a good idea never used a computer before in their life.

bamp

Would like some more actual writing critiquing, not layout critiques.

>>1004166
Fellow writer here.

No one is interested in critiquing the writing.